Giambi Signing? Open Thread
by stranahanahan on Dec 9, 2008 12:29 PM PST
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PrintAccording to John Perrotto at Baseball Prospectus Giambi appears headed back to the A's, and the announcement could take place during the Winter Meetings, as Giambi calls home to Las Vegas.
I don't really know how to feel, I have said I don't feel great about Giambi signing with the A's, but depending on what other deals are made, if we could keep him in the DH slot who knows? (notice my attempt to stay positive).
Stay tuned for any other news...
UPDATE:
Giambi has been spotted in the Bellaggio, telling reporters he is "looking for a job.."
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Depends on the terms...
but Giambi for 1 or 2 years is ok by me.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Can another source hurry up and announce whether its true or not
With enough crap getting refuted, I want to see another source…
Dude. This.
I think we wind up seeing Giambi at first base more than we want
to see him out there too. That is, if this is true.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 9, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions
Yup
Or Cust in the OF. Are Giambi’s ABs in lieu of Buck/Cunningham or Barton worth the defense we get with Cust over Buck/Cunningham in the OF or Giambi over Barton at 1B? I’m not sure that’s a slam dunk, particularly for those who still believe Barton is going to be a big OBA guy (as I do).
Could make some sense...
if Barton is destined to spend year in AAA learning 3B.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Dec 9, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
It means he agrees.
I was confused for a while as well.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
and playing pool, and saying things like "so's your old man"
"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08
Is your child telling jokes
from Captain Billy’s Whiz-Bang?
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
The defense in those scenarios is probably a wash, so it's a matter of Barton vs. Buck/Cunningham being better.
The A's colors are green and gold.
Daric Barton to dive into shallow end of pool again
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Dec 9, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
i've actually done this myself
and it fucking hurts.
In other words, I was messing around in the pool and Bartoned.
by stranahanahan on Dec 9, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
+10
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
You dove into 10 shallow pools?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 9, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
at least
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Giambi Can Still Pickem with teh best of them:
So, he does get a 1 out of 5 as a defender! :)
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Meh
he’s a better DH than Cust, so why not.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
that's questionable
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Not even really questionable
Cust has been better since he got to the A’s and Giambi is clearly declining.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I remember seeing some stats on the telecasts
that showed that Cust hit better when he was playing the field than when he was DHing
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
He might hit better when birds are migrating south too
That doesn’t mean it predicts future performance.
FWIW, last year he hit .202/.350/.479 at DH and .252/.391/.477 when he played the field. The difference is mostly singles – almost certainly luck.
Oh I know
It was merely a tongue in cheek response to Giambi being a better DH than Cust.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
No, but there's a sizable body of evidence suggesting that DHs as a group hit worse than they "should"
In Cust’s particular case, there isn’t much to support it, as his career tOPS+ when DHing is 98 (he’s 98% as good as he normally is as a DH).
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
But
in Giambi’s particular case, there is something to support it:
he’s hit .246/.387/.478 in over 2000 PAs as a DH,
and .303/.426/.566 in almost 5000 PAs as a 1B.
(It still might not be predictive if, for example, he was often used as a DH while playing through an injury).
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
I think Cust and Giambi on the field woujld be Great!
Imagine how fun it would be with Cust in RF, Giambi at 1B. A grounder to 1B could turn into a triple or inside the parker (you don’t often see either of those at an A’s game and we could be in for them all season!)
On the flip side, to be serious, I wouldn’t mind a Cust/Holiday/Giambi line up.
"Baseball is like a church. Many attend, but few understand." - Wes Westrum
Cust playing mostly LF means Holliday in RF
and he’s reputed to have a weak throwing arm, which is why he’s in LF.
i heard holliday's arm was not bad
i thought hawpe was the one with the bad arm
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Hawpe's arm is horrible beyond belief.
Holliday’s arm isn’t great, but its better than Hawpe’s, if I’m right.
Dude. This.
Why on earth would they put the one with the horrible arm in right field?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
i was wondering the same thing
but i remember reading somewhere that hawpe’s arm is bad and holliday’s is good (or maybe good compared to hawpe). i’ll try to dig something up.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Many moons ago...
Sal Bando said he felt the player with the stronger arm should be in leftfield. I’m not saying I agree with him.. I’m just pointing out that at least one person in the game held this unconventional position. I don’t remember his exact reasoning but it had something to do with long throws from rightfield to third base often going through the cutoff man whereas the leftfielder had to throw straight to the bag without help.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
That's not true
Cust, Ibañez, Shannon Stewart, and plenty other LFers use cut-off men for 3B!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Ibanez can't even make it to the cut off man!
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't phrase that well.
I think that gets to part of his point. A leftfielder with a good arm will have more opportunities to throw out runners at third base where a rightfielder will have to throw through the cutoff man often, even if he has a decent arm. A leftfielder with a weak arm, like Shannon Stewart, isn’t going to throw out anyone from either position so he’d rather have him where he can make a shorter throw to the cutoff man. Again, I’m not saying I agree with him.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
He's provably wrong
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I think so
But I won’t say the idea should be casually dismissed without investigation.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
Neither would I
Thing is, it’s been investigated.
Check out THT’s Outfield Arms stat. Right fielders have significantly more chances than left fielders do to affect the game with their arms.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Hawpe's got a friggin' missile launcher.
Dude had 16 outfield kills a few years ago.
Urban is saying *if* the A's offer him a deal...
it won’t be until later in the winter. Apparently, giambi is still looking for 3 years.
http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/as_have_inside_track_on_giambi.html
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Memo to Jason
Please sick to your 3 year guns. I don’t want you on my team.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
As much as I don't see it working out
I would like the A’s to send Barton down to work on his glove at 3B (if they sign Giambi). Cust and Giambi in the field at the same time would be awful for a bunch of young pitchers.
I can’t see it working out keeping Barton on the big league club being beneficial to anybody. That middle of the lineup would be pretty fun to watch though…
Why would Giambi and Cust be on the field at the same time?
It would be one or the other. Or is it possible that there is an even worse fielder who could be put at DH?
welcome to my world
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
Clogging the basepaths
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 9, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
The A's have done this before
bringing back a former MVP I mean
SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
R. Henderson 40 years old
98 Oakland 152 542 101 128 16 1 14 57 188 118 114 66 13 .376 .347 .236
SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
J. Canseco 33 years old
97 Oakland 108 388 56 91 19 0 23 74 179 51 122 8 2 .325 .461 .235
SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
R. Jackson 41 years old
87 Oakland 115 336 42 74 14 1 15 43 135 33 97 2 1 .297 .402 .220
None of them had a great year but I would lean to Rickey having the best overall comeback because he played the most games. Canseco had an OK year considering he only played 108 games. The team Jackson was on went to the WS but I don’t think he factored that much to the success. I was only 4 years old though so i can’ say for sure ; -)
I think Giambi has a chance of having the best “Welcome back to Oakland” season but History is not on his side to have a great year. (if he actually signs with Oakland like reported, obviously)
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
No, Reggie was there in '87
to mentor, in theory, Canseco. WS trip was in ’88.
Most impressive stat of the three, to me, is his Custian 140 point difference between AVG and OBP. That dude could take a walk.
99 MPH with as much control as a deflating balloon - CurveballKing on H-Rod
Rickey's stat, I wasn't totally clear.
Cause I’m not always smart.
99 MPH with as much control as a deflating balloon - CurveballKing on H-Rod
oh yeah, the 3 straight WS appearances didn't start until 88
I’m also impressed that Rickey stole 66 bases that year, I wonder if that is a record for a 40 year old?
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
A's were 81-81 in 1987. First non-losing season since 1981.
"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds
maybe to mentor Canseco
But once McGwire started hitting the homers, oh boy did he latch onto him. That was the first season of baseball I was old enough to follow and Reggie more or less became McGwire’s press secretary.
Pure, possibly lame speculation on my part...
If Giambi signs, could Cust be made available for a trade to land a young shortstop?
Surely other teams could appreciate the skillset of a Jack Cust. The Rays are looking into Garret Anderson as a corner outfield bat. Cust plus someone else for Reid Brignac, etc.? Of course, other teams may serve as better trade partners, but my creative muse leaves me at Tampa Bay.
This ends my uneducated blogosphere trade proposal.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
I would be sad, i like SpartaCust
I think a lineup with Holliday, Giambi, Cust, Chavez in the middle could overcome the black hole known as Crosby in the line up.
Use the cash to sign a SP. deal with SS in 2010.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
I thought about that too...
But if we’re going to spend a bunch of money to end up without a slugger and with a good SS by trading Cust for a SS and signing Giambi… why not just give Furcal what he wants and keep Cust. Cust is younger and much cheaper than Giambi.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
I echo the part about younger and cheaper
Plus, I think Cust is the A’s’ special boy. Dude just set the strikeout record, and I think there’s still enough Flat Earthers out there to hold it against him and superficially lower his value to anyone else.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
I, for one, don't want to see Cust leave but...
it would be interesting to see what we could net form him, considering we got him for basically nothing…
by stranahanahan on Dec 9, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
This isnt' the year to trade him.
With all the more powerful DH options available for relatively cheap, noone will be willing to fork over prospects for Cust.
Dude. This.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spgiambi1210,0,4741879.story
Giambi: “Nothing’s getting done yet.”
link
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spgiambi1210,0,4741879.story
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
This quote is out of context...it's been a headline all day
he’s talking about the FA market in general, not just himself. It might apply to him, but he’s not specifically referring to himself.
is that Joe Maddon courting Giambi to sign with the Rays?
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
I believe the apposite term would be "wining and dining"
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
no, Chef Barry Dakake initiated the conversation
GIambi asked for Filet Mignon and Lobster. Dakake countered with Mousaka and some hummus. Conflicting reports say that the talks ended there.
by stranahanahan on Dec 9, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
I just died a little inside
Anything over 1/5 and I’m going to be very upset and/or eat my sandwich.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
OT: Jenkins is a moron.
Bruce Jenkins, in the Chron, regarding Tim Raines’ qualifications for the HOF…
Tim Raines: No. Did a lot of great things, but in every single category, he was a level down from Henderson.
Gee, a level down from the greatest leadoff hitter ever. A level down from one of the top 30ish players of all time. A level down from a no-doubt-about-it first ballot lock for the HOF. Leaves him exactly where?
Not that I’m a huge Raines fan, but that quote strikes me as utterly absurd.
99 MPH with as much control as a deflating balloon - CurveballKing on H-Rod
Stan Musial: No. Did a lot of great things, but in every single category, he was a step down from Williams.
Also he fattened his stats during the war when Williams was out fighting.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 10, 2008 3:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You could add Lou Gehrig/Jimmy Foxx or Mickey Mantle/Willie Mays.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
Wow
I was undecided about Raines – but that sways it for me. He is definately in now.
Jenkins is the epitomy of what is wrong with BBWAA and HoF voting. I really wish FireJoeMorgan was still running – they would have had a field day with that article.
What an idiot.
I have an idea for the SF Zoo
Open a chronicle sports writers exhibit next to the big cat enclosure with a trap door or something. I would pay good money to see Jenkins, Shea and Ratto confined. No email, no wifi, just these clowns and the tigers.
The chronicle has spiraled and devolved on every level, so I can’t just be angry about the sports columnists.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Dec 10, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
+1
I’d be the first to watch Ratto in there.
I didn’t realize what a biased idiot that guy is until I recently started reading more of his articles and it’s clear he has no qualifications to write for the Chronicle other than the fact that he’s a Giants fan
According to UZR
Barton was 4.8 runs above average in 1121 2/3 innings of 1B defense.
Giambi was 1.8 runs below average in 898 innings.
Over the course of a full season, we’d lose about 7-7.5 runs with Giambi’s defense vs Barton’s. I would be shocked if we didn’t gain at least twice that (and I think three times that is more likely) with Giambi’s bat.
No thanks.
He doesn’t offer much we already have. I suppose we could trade Cust, but I’m skeptical that other teams would want him (this is an indictment of other teams, not Cust).
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
not only would other teams not want Cust ...
… but the plummeting valuation of his type (Dunn/Burrell/Giambi) means that we’d get bupkis for him even if anyone did want him.
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
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