AN Community Prospect List - #17
by Zonis on Dec 4, 2008 6:40 PM PST
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PrintThe result of the Runoff is out, and Rashun Dixon, CF is now the #14 Prospect, Fautino De Los Santos, RHP is the #15 prospect, and Arnold Leon, RHP wins the #16 slot. And now we're off to #17!
AthleticsNation Top Prospect List:
- Trevor Cahill, RHP
- Brett Anderson, LHP
- Chris Carter, 3B/1B
- Aaron Cunningham, CF
- Gio Gonzalez, LHP
- Adrian Cardenas, SS/2B
- Sean Doolittle, 1B/RF
- James Simmons, RHP
- Vin Mazzaro, RHP
- Josh Donaldson, C
- Michel Inoa, RHP
- Jemile Weeks, 2B
- Henry Rodriguez, RHP
- Rashun Dixon, CF
- Fautino De Los Santos, RHP
- Arnold Leon, RHP
New Addition to the Candidates List: Andrew Bailey, RHP
CANDIDATES:
Pitchers:
Brett Hunter, RHP
Josh Outman, LHP
Tyson Ross, RHP
Sam Demel, RHP
Andrew Carignan, RHP
Andrew Bailey, RHP
Infielders/Catchers:
Dusty Coleman, SS
Nino Leyja, SS
Outfielders:
Corey Brown, CF
Matt Sulentic, OF
POSSIBLES:
Pitchers:
Jared Lansford, RHP
Craig Italiano, RHP
Carlos Hernandez, LHP
Jason Fernandez, RHP
Ryan Webb, RHP
Michael Madsen, RHP
Jamie Richmond, RHP
Anthony Capra, LHP
Jeff Gray, RHP
Travis Banwart, RHP
Ryan Doolittle, RHP
Daniel Thomas, RHP
Ricardo Penalba, RHP
Scott Hodsen, RHP
Scott Mitchinson, RHP
Infield/Catcher:
Jason Christian, SS
Eric Patterson, IF
Petey Paramore, C
Landon Powell,C
Anthony Recker, C
Jeff Baisley, 3B
Cliff Pennington, SS
Gregorio Petit, SS
Justin Sellers, SS
Franklin Contreras, SS
Tommy Everidge, 1B
Outfield:
Jeremy Barfield, OF
Matt Spencer, OF/1B
Grant Desme, OF
Tyreace House, OF
Javier Herrera, OF
Danny Putnam, OF
Robin Rosario, OF
Jermaine Mitchell, OF
JD Pruit, OF
Chris Berroa, OF
Jose Crisostomo, OF
David Thomas, OF
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Yes. I care deeply.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yet I don't care if you care
To which you’re probably indifferent – not that it matters to me.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
No, I care deeply if you don't care whether I care.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
I've no idea who to vote for here
Hunter — big upside but BA hates his mechanics and thinks he’s a reliever and an injury waiting to happen
Ross — see Hunter
Leyja — Great numbers in AZL but no pre-draft respect and lotsa errors
Outman — Looks good and throws hard lefty but few K’s in minors as a reliever
Coleman — Above slot bonus but lotsa strikeouts and not young for level
Carignan — K’s but no control and strictly a reliever
Demel — K’s and better control than Carignan but Carignan promoted first and old for level. Also strictly a reliever.
Bailey — Older relief prospect
Sulentic — Decent all round skills but nothing outstanding and likely nothing special. Terrible 2007.
Brown — Poor man’s Cust offense with Sweeney defense? He’s looking like the best of this bunch
Anyone want to convince me differently?
Can we get a Carlos Hernandez tester?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
was thinking of going with Christian next
After that I was torn between putting Barfield, Lansford or Hernandez out there.
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I like him more than the relief prospects
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
He is a relief prospect
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I meant the ones who are already relievers
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Does it matter? Some guys are born relievers
and Italiano is one of them.
No disrespect to the guy, he’s just way too pitch-inefficient to be an MLB starter. He could go three innings against the Yankees, give up 1 run, and throw 109 pitches.
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That would be awesome. A two hour save!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
BTW where do you get P/PA for A-ball guys?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Don't know-- I'm just going off what I heard
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His IP/GS was low but that may have been due to low pitch counts limits
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying it's what I inferred, I'm saying it's what I heard
from people who actually watched him pitch his games.
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"Objection! Hearsay!"
“Overruled.”
“Why, your honor?”
“Because there’s no lawsuit. Now stop bothering me at the supermarket.”
“Sorry, your honor. Paper or plastic?”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
So he's a designated beanballer?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
+1
The two things I noticed about Italiano when I saw him pitch:
1) Great stuff
2) Too inefficient
by thejd44 on Dec 4, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
I'd vote for Petit or Powell before that group...
Intermittently good performance and reaching AAA is worth a lot more to me than random low-round lottery tickets. Although I do like Hernandez’s command.
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Hernandez also has some serious GB tendencies apparently
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Paramore might be OK but he seems too much like Oakland Kendall and
I’m still scarred from that experience
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Ya SS is important. Might be fun to have Christian, Coleman, Leyja, Petit and Pennington
all on at once. I vote for Hernandez over Lansford since we’ve already got Demel, Carignan and Bailey as relievers. I had Barfield below Rosario, Berroa and Thomas, but maybe I’m missing something there.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Barfield
Way too early for Barfield yet. Still a bit early for Christian although I have him higher than Coleman and Leyja. I’ll be honest I don’t know enough about Carlos Hernandez to make a judgement on him. I think Travis Banwart should be getting consideration for the poll soon, as should Italiano and Lansford, although I have Outman, Carignan, Demel and Bailey above them. I might be in a minority but I still like Grant Desme – he has enough natural ability to be on the list already but unfortunately hasn’t been able to stay healthy, but he should definately be considered before Barfield.
22 isn't old for high-A...
Granted, he probably could have moved up, but I’m pretty sure the team wanted Demel and Carignan closing for different teams and there isn’t any room in next year’s bullpen anyway.
I don’t know where this pervasive notion started that 22 is somehow “old” for high-A ball, but it needs to be stamped out immediately.
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You want to make the case for Demel?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Not if you'd otherwise vote for Brown, because that's who I'm voting for...
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Well I'm leaning Brown but someone could easily convince me otherwise
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
VOTER INTIMIDATION!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You can't just be against things. You have to be for somebody.
For whom be you?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
im just playing around.
at this point in the prospect voting game, Im luggage and statistical noise in the poll. dont really have the knowledge yall have.
for the record, though, Im against you telling me I cant just be against things.
Save Rajai Davis
What makes you think anyone else here has any knowledge?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
PT fakes it? Nico is actually a goat?
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 4, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
And vice versa.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
This time I'll go with Outman
Good arm, proven at higher levels, may not have been developed well in Philly. Plus he has kind of cool buck teeth.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Unless you're Bugs Bunny, buck teeth are never cool...especially in a girl
What does “proven at higher levels” refer to? He didn’t set the world on fire at AA or AAA or AL. K-rate and K-BB were both pretty bad.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
He's been consistently mediocre
That counts for a lot. Consistency is important, especially in custard. And he HRs a lot, which is good.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I respect the consistent mediocrity. It means his skills translate well with promotions.
What does “HRs a lot” mean?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
That was in reference to Jack Custard
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Cool. I'd never heard of Mr. Custard.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
His childhood was rough
Vicious custardy battle.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
And then he had to strickout on his own
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
And then he had to walk to the airport so he could flyout
But then there was a bomb!
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Dec 5, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I dont see the Outman love.
He a reliever in my book.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
But he seems like a starter in the A's book.
That’s one thing he has going for him
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
If he keeps walking close to 5 batters per 9 inning
he wont be for long.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Right, his numbers are unimpressive, but the team seems impressed
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
I mean I hope Im wrong
but hes gotta step it up.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
I'm not sure he was well managed in the Phillies system
I think the A’s feel they can get more out of him than he has shown thus far.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
i dno't know if this makes sense or i'm a biased fanboy
but any time the a’s trade for a prospect and their performance improves, i just assume they saw something the previous organization didn’t.
that goes for outman, donaldson, spencer, etc.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
what's interesting
is that most of our trades get MLB ready Pitchers (who get inflated numbers in the Coli) and lower level offensive players (who get inflated #’s in Stockton). Nice way to look like a genius…
Well, at this point he's a possible reliever and is also possibly to be used as
a starter… both of which could well happen at the MLB level in 2009, which he reached at the end of this past season for that matter.
At this point in the prospect list, I’d easily take him, based on what he’s achieved so far plus the skills he has, over anybody else that’s left. None of the other guys on the list are even close to being in the majors yet, and none of them have enough ridiculously obvious talent that screams “potential MLB superstar” or even “potential MLB regular” at this point to warrant ranking them above somebody who has actually made it to the majors and is likely to be pitching there again as soon as this coming season, in my opinion.
by still bills kingdom on Dec 4, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
Corey Brown has "Potential MLB Superstar" or "Potentiall MLB Regular" talent
His problem is contact/strikeouts. If he manages to overcome that even a bit, he could put u a very good line in the Majors. The problem comes if he doesn’t-then he becomes Dallas McPherson.
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At this point I'm looking for anyone who has a chance to make any sort of impact.
No one’s anything close to low risk here.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Why do people insist on cheapening a beautiful swing
with all this nonsense about contact?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'll give you that about Brown, because I agree with you on the potential and
I should have phrased it a little better. I did qualify it with the words “enough ridiculously obvious” but that doesn’t really get to the heart of it.
I suppose my line of thinking is more that none of the others have combined sufficient talent with sufficient results as yet, at high enough levels of competition, to surpass Outman in my view at this point.
Earlier on, there were others like Inoa whose sheer talent/potential make them more attractive as prospects, despite the level they might be at currently or the results they’ve displayed, and make them attractive enough that I’d rank them higher than Outman.
But at this point, I don’t see anybody like that, and I haven’t for a couple rounds now (because I put Dixon, who I would rank above Brown, and DLS until he comes back and pitches effectively again after the TJ surgery, behind Outman too right now.)
I guess for me the valuation of a prospect is the balancing act between potential and how much they’ve realized that potential, too. And the final realization of potential for a prospect is to reach the major league level and contribute there.
In Outman’s case, I don’t think we should discount how far he’s come and that he’s made it to the majors already and is likely to contribute there this year, too.
Is his ceiling lower than Brown’s, or Dixon’s, or De Los Santos’ ceilings? Sure. But two of them haven’t even gotten past A ball yet, and one of them is an unknown until he starts pitching again. And none of them have come near the majors yet.
So I think Outman’s potential is still high enough, and his advancement to actually contributing at the major league level this past year is important enough, that I rank him above anybody else on the list at this point, and have for a couple rounds now.
by still bills kingdom on Dec 4, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
omg that's great
worth a vote just for that
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Dec 4, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
I think I just had a stroke
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Will there be a happy ending?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but I'll only feel it on the left side of my penis
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Shall we call you Lefty henceforth?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
I went with Hunter
I like Brown, but major league pitchers will have their way with him if he can’t figure out how to make more contact.
Also, I can’t believe FDLS dropped from 4th (BA) last year all the way to 15th. The injury hurt him but sweet jesus, our system is looking very, very nice.
You want to make the case for Hunter. His injury and reported bad mechanics don't scare you?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Injuries dont scare me as much as other people.
Sometimes i think people use them as an excuse.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Other people scare me a lot too
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
hell
is other people
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Dec 4, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Well I hope he doesn't get injured...
But the A’s have a good track record in developing pitching. People hate me for it, but if his health is in question, leave him in the bullpen. Yes, his mechanics are scary, but if it’s an injury risk the A’s are worried with, the coaching will probably take care of it.
"Yes, his mechanics are scary"
I havent read anything bad about his mechanics. Where is this coming from?
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Its certainly not conventional
but Im not sure its “bad” for his arm. it doesnt look smooth, but he was pitching from the stretch.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
I think it's probably bad for his pitches more than bad for his arm
The A's colors are green and gold.
It looked pretty bad for the arm. Care to elaborate?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
nah, I don't know what I'm talking about. Just looked like it would be hard for him to control his pitches
The A's colors are green and gold.
But it was one pitch that was behind a guy's head
Isn’t it likely his mechanics are a little different/better in some way when he throws a strike? Or that he’s actually Jose Mesa and only throws pitches designed to bean opposing hitters?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Everyone thought Lincecums delivery was "Bad" too.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Lincecum didn't drop to the 7th round with a shoulder injury...
Can we get someone who actually knows something about this stuff to weigh in here? Paging Kyle Boddy, Kyle Boddy to the prospects thread please.
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Wheres DriveLine Guy?
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
In the Conservatory.
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You called?
I don’t religiously read Athletics Nation, but I caught this since I’m checking up on prospects.
At first glance, it’s definitely different looking, I can say that much. Video quality’s not great, but I’ll capture it and slow it down tonight.
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Nice!
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
I love how everyone insists they don't
religiously read AN, yet…buuuuaaaaahaha!!!!!!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Lincecum's delivery APPEARED bad on first glance
But if you analyzed it, he was actually using momentum and flow in his favor. The worst part of Hunter’s delivery in the picture is the squat. He’s putting himself at risk of injury since he’s using absolutely none of his torso in the delivery of his pitches. I would like to see him pitch from the windup; maybe that’s just a stretch anomaly.
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Dec 5, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
what the hell...
i don’t really understand the a’s philosophy of not messing around with the mechanics of certain pitching prospects.
ross, hunter, rodriguez, de los santos…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
I thought they were working on Ross in instructionals
Maybe I misheard that.
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From Badler
"I don’t think the A’s will try to tinker with him too much, they’ll mostly just leave him as is, but scouts say his delivery does put excess strain on his body, he has an injury history and his fastball has always worked better in the bullpen..
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Was that written about Ross, or Hunter?
I’m not aware of Ross ever pitching out of the bullpen.
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good question
didn’t italiano have a strange delivery when the a’s drafted him?
what did they do with italiano?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Ross
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
From Badler's chat about the recent BA Top 10
“With his mechanics and medical history, he’s a good candidate to blow his arm out pretty quickly (not saying he will, just that he’s a higher-risk guy), but if he can stay healthy and give them at least a few solid years out of the bullpen..”
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
This is Hunter
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
I voted for Hunter...
…because even though he may have a higher chance of injury than the others on the list, my understanding is that he’s also got a higher chance of turning into something really good. At this point in the rankings, I’m looking for some upside, I guess.
Also, I’d say Powell and Italiano have to be contenders to be added to the voting.
All of them. Then we'll have the most ranked prospects of any team.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
It will be an interesting runoff between Raul Padron and Eric Patterson for #178
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Patterson might have made the Top 20 in July. Now he's sludge in our eyes.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
He was always sludge
It’s just now more people can recognize what sludge looks like
The monster at the end of this blog.
What's his sludging percentage?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
infinity
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
I think he should still be in the top 30...
but there’s no species of prospect who will be more undervalued on a thread like this than one who underperformed in a small MLB sample size.
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Brown
At this point in the list, all these guys are going to have their flaws. Unfortunately for the highest upside pitchers (Hunter, Ross) they have extensive injury histories, which are never good. Just the fact that Brown has been fairly healthy for the past year and a half as a pro makes me partial to him. Although his strikeouts are a big problem, his power is real (the Midwest League is a very tough place to hit 14 homers in a half of a season) and he’s a good defender and has good speed. He’s got a ways to go to make more consistent contact, however, any time a center field prospect has 30 homer potential, he’s gotta be placed higher than a couple injury prone pitchers and a few relievers.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
But if you consider Outman a SP like he was before the Phillies screwed up
then the choice is clear.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Care to make the case that Outman's a legitimate starting pitcher prospect with a chance at
200 IP and a 100 ERA+? If I squint I can see it based on his 5.05 FIP MLE (5.09 by BB-Pro) and 165 IP in 2007. But I’m squinting harder doing that than when seeing Brown as potentially having Sweeney defense with a 110 OPS+ with a Cust shape. What am I missing?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
he throws really hard. he's obviously not that good right now, but he could improve his secondary pitches and control a bit
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He also has a plus slider
Stuff-wise, he’s kind of a Randy Johnson lite (with about Johnson’s control at his age, actually). Outman doesn’t have to elevate his control to very good in order to be successful – he just has to elevate it to “ok” instead of “the problem”. From what I saw last year, though, he’s not “all over the place” – I could see his control improving with the right coaching.
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Apparently his control declined because of the WRONG coaching...
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/12/4/679573/strange-mechanics-zach-and
I have to admit, I can’t see how you could possibly throw a slider with that crazed overhead delivery, so maybe the “conventional” delivery has improved his stuff, but it’s definitely weakened his control.
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I wasn't too impressed with his slider, but I didn't see much of it
I agree about the control, also because he has less need to nibble than guys with lesser stuff.
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I voted for Brown here
Even though I’m not overly impressed with what I’ve seen, he does have skills and he could improve. And at #17 on the list, I’d much rather go for a raw, toolsy position player than a relief pitcher, no matter how good some of these relievers are.
I think I voted for Outman before, but I’ve changed my mind on him just a bit. I still like him and he’ll be my next pick, but I think I might be a litlte harsh on Brown from a couple bad experiences watching him.
by thejd44 on Dec 4, 2008 11:07 PM PST reply actions
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