A's Favorites for both Furcal and Johnson (& Johnson)
by jasonlbe on Dec 4, 2008 11:38 AM PST
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PrintAccording to Ken Rosenthal the A's are the favorites for Rafeal Furcal, Randy Johnson, & Nick Johnson. If we do get all three of those guys all of the sudden the Angels better get moving because our footsteps will be coming up awful fast. This I must admit is pretty sweet.
Counting down the days until Spring Training. Go A's!!!!
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8889016/A's-still-after-Furcal,-but-may-chase-Big-Unit-too
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For the record
This is being disussed in the “Giants sign Renteria” thread but I see no reason why the topic shouldn’t get it’s own thread.
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But nobody reads those things
Wait… let me guess. You posted that fanshot and I was just insensitve to your feelings.
The monster at the end of this blog.
ha ha
actually I have taken seriously that fanshots are used for short entries, while fanposts are for more substantial contributions…silly me…
perhaps they can be either revised or eiminated
or the fanpost guidelines can officially give the ok to short fanposts. That way those who add short fanposts don’t get scolded…
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense for fanposts to be able to be merged together.
Even now, there are 2 separate fanposts about Johnson and both of them are essentially links to the Rosenthal column.
The same thing happens with trades, there are tons of fanposts about the same thing that could/should all pretty much be in one.
thanks for the link BUT
nowhere does it say that we are favorites for Johnson or Johnson, just Furcal.
by stranahanahan on Dec 4, 2008 11:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
If we do get all three, and if they all stay healthy for the season,
then the team has a more than a fair shot at the division.
Problem is, I really don’t see that happening.
"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
I'm hopeful too...
But I’m concerned about a rotation that seems so far removed from those impressive Big Three years. Which, by the way, had better offensive fire power than this current roster.
I like Sean Gallagher, but when did he become a #2 in anyone’s rotation? If only Dallas Braden would be allowed to throw that mythical screwbal of his, then we may have a solid #2…zing!
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Dec 4, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
The team would basically have two #2s (Duke and Unit) and three #3s ...
That’s a strong rotation …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Here's a question for ya
Assuming everyone’s healthy in the projected rotation, whom would you pick to start a 1 game play-off. And yes, you were able to set up the rotation a few weeks earlier so the guy you want most in that situation will be available.
(If you really need an opponent, say you’re facing the Angels.)
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At this point, Duke, probably ...
but the decision would be influenced tremendously by their performance this upcoming season …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Whichever of Cahill or Anderson
that got the mid-season call up and had the 0.00 ERA they surely would have by years end.
facepalm.jpg
Duke if it's a mostly-right handed team, Unit if it's left-handed
The only exception being one of the young pitchers has a break-out season, and I’d like that to be the case.
by thejd44 on Dec 4, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think that's a tad optimistic.
I agree with Duke and Johnson being #2s. But can both of them stay healthy for the entire season? I’m pessimistic on this front.
And what makes you think that three of Braden, Gonzalez, Outman, and Gallagher can pitch as #3s?
"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
And Eveland
I like Gallagher a lot, and he still has plenty of room to project past #3. Eveland could be one. Gonzalez should be someday (probably not 2009)
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Ah
I forgot about him, I’m pretty positive that he can put up #3 production.
Yeah, it’s far more likely that two of Braden, etc can pitch like #3s, although I still have my doubts about Braden and Gallagher. I think Braden was exceedingly lucky last year and will regress alot. Gallagher has good stuff, but I’m not sold on his production at all, even accounting for the injuries. He’s the wild card.
"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
I'll agree with that
Gallagher has #2 stuff but #5 control. We’ll see if that shakes itself out.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
His control has been fine throughout his career except with the A's
The A's colors are green and gold.
Just like Eveland's control has been fine throughout his career except in the majors
Both of them have at least a plausible shot at figuring things out next year.
Braden wasn’t lucky last year… he just wasn’t UNlucky like he was in 2007.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
So you'd expect Braden to be more like 2008 than 2007 in the future
That makes him a useful major league pitcher. I’ll take it.
by thejd44 on Dec 4, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Right
He’s been about a 4.5 fip guy the last two years. Bill James and Marcel both project improvement in 2009.
Here’s his fangraphs page, he certainly appears to be more than a AAAA player.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
He seems like one of those guys who is due to have one fluke good year
And, at that point, the A’s should sell high on him since he looks like he’s no better than an average pitcher in the long run.
by thejd44 on Dec 4, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
It depends on how good the year is
A pitcher with a 4 FIP (Bill James’ 2009 projection on fangraphs) is not a bad thing to have.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I'd expect him to settle in at roughly post-2002 Randy Wolf level
somewhere around a #3 for an average team or a #4 for a playoff team.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I'm an optimist ...
and i expect all pitchers to get hurt at some point of most seasons … so that doesn’t DQ Duke or the Unit
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Last year, going by tRA:
Braden: #3
Gonzalez: #gazillion, probably a #4 including the minors.
Gallagher: #3
Eveland: #4
Outman: ~3-4 including mles.
The A's colors are green and gold.
Outman looks a bit strange on MLE's. 68K 45 BB but a 4.19 FIP.
I guess they think a 17.9% IF/Fly is a skill, as well as the 0.54 HR/9 rate. His ZiPS of 4.99 makes more sense to me given the K/BB.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Outman's got a good history of looking strange...
"I'm going to take a camera crew and march into Billy Beane's office and demand to know why instituting his newfangled cost-saving measures means that the run manufacturing plant had to get shut down." FJM
If you look at that photo and focus only on the one arm,
it could totally be Chad Bradford’s right arm!
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You mean because it's punching Outman in the face?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I meant the other arm but that too I guess
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You have to forgive Nico
He’s not used to gazing at creatures with opposable thumbs.
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tRA is not a projection system and I don't think I've ever claimed it to be
PS: Inducing infield flies is indeed a skill.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 6, 2008 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
Rosterbation Time!
I think all 3 moves would be great. High upside moves that could be very big, and if they get injured again, its likely to be just one more year (cept for Furcal, but we’re already used to overpaid injured Short Stops).
Though I would rather have Dunn if its true that he might have to settle for a 3/36 contract.
IF we got Johnson & Johnson and Furcal, what would our roster look like? And what if Gaudin is indeed Non-Tendered and we pick him up to start? Well here ya go;
C1 Kurt Suzuki
1B Nick Johnson
2B Mark Ellis
3B Eric Chavez
SS Rafael Furcal
LF Matt Holliday
CF Ryan Sweeney
RF Travis Buck
DH Jack Cust
SP Justin Duchscherer
SP Randy Johnson
SP Dana Eveland
SP Sean Gallagher
SP Chad Gaudin (or Josh Outman/Gio Gonzalez/Dallas Braden)
RP Joey Devine
RP Brad Ziegler
RP Andrew Brown
RP Santiago Casilla
RP Jerry Blevins
RP Dallas Braden
RP Chris Schroder
facepalm.jpg
Probably not Chad Gaudin ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Shit, if they really do non-tender him, I'd happily pick him up for a couple more years
What’s the risk?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Are they really thinking about non-tendering him?
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
If I were Chad I'd go someplace where I could start. He's got 2 years before FA to prove
he can start and get a big payday. Nats? Blue Jays? Orioles?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
What happens in DC stays in DC?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Seriously, that's got to be as much of an inside joke as "We signed Jack Cust!"
Maybe he’ll be Jack Cust part 2.
In my country we say "you're it" instead of "bozied."
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
In Soviet Russia, the Bozied Taggs you
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Dear God No
We would set another record for DL uses with that lineup. Nick Johnson will miss about 130, RJ will miss 4 months… terrible ideas! We should sign giambi instead of nick johnson and use gio/braden/cahill/anderson instead of RJ/Gaudin.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 4, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
"RJ will miss 4 months"
Sigh. He’s had fewer problems than any 2008 A’s pitcher other than Blanton.
This is a weak argument, and I wish people would think before they made it.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Don't forget the Giambi health issues as well AND
your patented statement of “please god no, please don’t sign Giambi” which, btw, you’re slowing getting another convert to that.
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but we have barton
and 2/3 of braden/outman/gio (adding braden to the a’s roster is retarded)…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
(gaudin i mean)
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Neyer buys it
Just has the appropriate injury based pessimism about the whole thing.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
AN clearly deserves both Johnsons
The pun potential is large enough to fill all the gaps between front page posts.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johnsra05.shtml
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=7327
I’m going with the oft-injured Johnson. He may have trouble “getting it up there” anymore but at least someone “knows” him.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
The whole point about RJ's underlying stats
Is counter-balanced by the fact he had a terrible HR rate in his last 2 seasons in the AL. Allowing 30 hr’s/year will kill your ERA even if you have a high k:bb ratio and good whip.
RJ will suck in the AL. Bad idea. Let gio and braden get more experience.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 4, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Kill your ERA to the tune of 3.79?
I’ll take it.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Lefties are supposed to benefit from Yankee Stadium.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Not when their back hurts
Johnson was healthy last year, which is more than you can say about Duke.
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yeah...
In the confines of the Coliseum those HR’s turn into looong fly outs….just let him pitch at night….
don't the elderly
like to go to bed earlier?
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Dec 4, 2008 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting how we deal with two's
In 2008 we had two Gonzalez’s and two Sweeney’s.
After the 2008 season we trim that down to one each and now are going after 2 Johnson’s. And one is really big!
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Two Johnsons after trim?
Oh, I did not just type that.
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
And two Browns.
(I know, you’re trying to forget)
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
The A's had an incredible number of Browns in 2007
Andrew, Dee, Corey, and Jeremy (at least, there might have been one other one). Getting Emil to replace Dee and Jeremy was still a net loss of Brownie points.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Don't forget about the Mark triplet from 05-07
Ellis, Kotsay, and Scutaro (sort of). Sadly we never acquired a Polo.
In 2004
We had Ellis (though he was injured all year), Kotsay, Redman, Mulder, McLemore, and Scutaro.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
2 johnson and one of everything else
is probably the best way to go. Also, to me braden still seems far inferior to Gonzalez. Gonzalez led the entire minor leagues in strikeouts at AA. That has to mean something and was amongst the leaders in AAA as well. Other than one 17 strikeout game in the minors and a 7k performance against Detroit I don’t think he has the same kind of swing and miss potential. Braden seems more like a 4 and gonzalez also a 4 with the potential of being a 3 or even a 2 if everything break right for him (curve, control, speed, off-speed, etc.).
In 2009, No. Beyond, Yes.
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Braden's starting to grow on me. The #3 above is optimistic, but I can see a 4.40 ERA and
20 QS in his near future. Come to think of it that might be a #3.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Johnson all ready an A?
Not sure if anyone saw this, but rotoworld has Randy Johnson all ready on the A’s. His player card is covered in green and shows the A’s emblem on it. Weird.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=1528
Someone should tell the media
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I am affraid that the Red Sox will sweep up Furcal:
Bhook it!!
Then again, if that means that we can get Sabathia over here for 6 years..then I’m IN!!!!
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 4, 2008 4:43 PM PST reply actions
If it means they'll then trade Lowrie to us...then I'M in!!!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2008 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
This just reminds me
that our starting rotation is pretty weak. I’m sure there will be some positive surprises in there. Perhaps Gallagher or somebody else will blossom. But it’s hard to look at that projected starting lineup and think “contender” at the same time.
I like this post much better than the newer Furcal diary....
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