No, I'm entirely serious: if Beane signs GA, I'm outta here
As gotgreen alerted us last night, Garret Anderson is apparently a potential free-agent target for Billy Beane.
Before I allow my panic and disgust to reach full gorge, I will point out that it seems to me that GA is most likely either a false-flag operation (intended to drive down the asking prices of Abreu and Giamsorri) or at best the trailing third option. I mean, this paragraph all but spells that out:
The Chronicle has learned that the team has had preliminary conversations about free-agent outfielders Bobby Abreu and Garret Anderson as possible options should Giambi stick firmly to his wish for a three-year deal. A's general manager Billy Beane has had brief contact with the agents for Abreu and Anderson.
None of that indicates any serious interest.
However ... the Rays are apparently pretty serious about Giamsorri, and if Beane wasn't willing to pay above-market price for Furcal, he sure as heck won't for Abreu, who's asking for ... well, an above-market price. (And if Beane is willing to pay above-market price for Abreu but not Furcal ... well, more about that below.)
So if Giamsorri and Abreu do spurn the A's (for whatever reasons), is GA really someone that Beane would sign?
I sure hope not, because if that does come to pass, I'm walking away. Done. Handing in my keys to front page. Turning a blind eye to the A's and baseball entirely.
Look, I've got nothing against GA personally or professionally. (OK, I might have a little something against him professionally ever since he beat me at the '07 MLB Hootenanny with his ad lib adaptation of Phil Ochs' first album, but that's another story entirely.) While he's always done damage against the A's, he's always seemed to me to be the sort of noble-adversary-warrior type who went about his thing with a professional demeanor. Who he is as a person or Angels icon has zilch to do with my disgust at the prospect of his wearing green and gold.
Now, this certainly has something to do with my particular case of A's fandom; as I've explained before, I'm a relatively recent (ca. 1995) A's convert, having been initially lured by the proximity of the Coliseum to BART, the cheap admission, the ease of FSU'ing, and, yes, the FREE KRAUT! , and I converted smoothly to a Flavor Aid-drinkin' Moneyballer soon thereafter. "Billy Beane" -- and by the scare quotes I mean all that Beane stands for, as well as the staff assisting him in the FO -- play a big part in my A's appreciation, for their idiosyncratic, risk:reward-centered approach to managing the team.
Of course, there have been classic Beane blunders, blows to his personal scorecard, over the years: Kendall, Kotsay, the Dye extension, Queen Arthur, Kielty-Lilly, Shannon Stewart, Jay Payton, Piazza, Loaiza. (I'm not going to get into the whole Larry Davis thing; that, to me, has always been about a simple case of blackmail.) But those seemed to be blips on the radar screen.
Now, however, there's an incoming JDAM, and it walks with a limp and swings at the first pitch.
Let's get this out of the way: Garret Anderson sucks, is old, and is chronically injured. He's a below-average hitter as a corner outfielder, and he's no longer capable of playing the outfield. His value as a hitter is entirely dependent on his batting average, and he has Crosbyesque power (save for that stretch of years that should be known as Buds Bunny's Rabbit-Ball Era) -- actually, strike that: Crosby has about 20% higher isoSLG than GA does.
What's more, the A's have a guy who's a world-class (and cheap) DH (and a lousy, but improving outfielder) plus about 76 replacement-level outfielders on their depth chart. (GA is basically a cross between Ryan Sweeney and Estelle Getty.)
GA potentially blocking the development of one of those younger OFs doesn't bug me (mostly because none of them promise to ever be all that great) -- the very idea of GA getting PT (and, presumably, guaranteed money) bugs the crap out of me.
There's no reason to sign GA except for the fact that he's available, and relatively cheap (relative to his free-agent cohort, that is, not his absolute performance value). He's the kind of free-agent signing made by the Pirates, or the Orioles, or the Royals, just getting a warm body who can approach but not reach league-average-for-his-position production, but for way too much money. Signing a guy who's got "established MLB bona fides" (which is always less about respecting the veteran players than it is about respecting the judgment of one's fellow GMs for giving this sack of shit guaranteed money for so long). It's signing a second-tier FA because your owner has determined you don't have the scratch to sign a first-tier guy, and you Pointy-Haired Boss up the rationale that if you don't spend up to this year's budget you'll get less discretionary funding next fiscal year. (Which seems to be essentially the case with Beane electing not to make a serious effort at signing Furcal and now turning to the three stooges.)
He's the kind of signing that's made by a team that doesn't care about winning.
And seeing as how, in many respects, GA actually wouldn't be a departure at all for Beane to sign, I'd definitely put Beane and the A's in that category (and perhaps retroactively).
GA is a slap-happy eager beaver who wouldn't take a pitch if Jack Bauer was holding a .44 to his grandmother's kneecap (Stewart, Payton).
He's an aging, crippled vet who obviously can't perform on a consistent basis (Justice, Gant, Piazza, Big Hurt II).
He's priced lower than his FA cohort, but still not as low as his projected performance (Loaiza ... heck, all of them except Big Hurt II).
In short, Garret Anderson is the very apotheosis of a Billy Beane free-agent signee. If Beane signs him, it's a sure sign that Beane is following the worse angels of his own nature. And with that, I'd be done.
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Hopefully, you'd clear the door
before it hit your tail on the way out. Me? I’m an A’s fan for life, and among the people who have the capacity to possibly change that Garret Anderson is way down on my list.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
seems like Bobby Crosby is now...
the least of our worries.
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by FoolshGame22 on Dec 27, 2008 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anderson would be a horrible, horrible signing ...
but I’d say you’re overreacting a bit …
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by devo on Dec 27, 2008 11:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Being a fan can lead to irrationality
I understand where monkeyball is coming from, he’s a fan of the concept behind the modern day A’s and signing Anderson would represent the betrayal of that concept.
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by grover on Dec 27, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, as he expresssed it, the confirmation of a troubling aspect of that concept
as regards free agent signings (confusing “undervalued” with “cheap” too often.)
by still bills kingdom on Dec 27, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Garret Anderson offers name value, nothing more
If Beane signs him he might as well walk up to the podium and laud the newest acquisition as a great RBI man, announcing to the sabermetric world that his brain had clicked to the “OFF” position.
Would I walk away completely? No, I wouldn’t do that but I wouldn’t care as much. When the FO shows a contempt for winning I stop paying attention to the team. I don’t begrudge failure but not making the attempt is an insult to me as a fan. Signing Garret Anderson is not an attempt to win more baseball games, not when all the data says he’d a be a detriment to the team.
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by grover on Dec 27, 2008 11:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
At this stage in his career,
Garret Anderson is basically Emil Brown, no more no less.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And paying Emil $4 million min. would be monumentally stupid
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by grover on Dec 27, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt. Signing Anderson would be dumb
Which is why the A’s won’t do it.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time Beane is sweet talking Anderson's agent
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by grover on Dec 27, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Talking never did any harm that I know of
Stalking, sure.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure seemed to piss off/disgust folks around here
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by grover on Dec 27, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
The guy signed Emil Brown and Shannon Stewart.
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by lenscrafters on Dec 27, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both of those guys were dirt cheap...
and increased the diversity of the team.
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by notsellingjeans on Dec 27, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1) is beane in charge of a professional baseball team or college admissions
2) there are plenty of black baseball players who are not mediocre
3) tell billy i’m willing to sign for $1.5 million to increase diversity
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by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It also didn't increase the diversity of the team
in that the team already sucked and so did those players.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but they sucked differently (high avg, low obp)
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True - noodle arm, noodle head...
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the Jay Payton Scholarship
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was afraid I'd ruffle feathers with that
1.) As a part-owner and the GM, marketing is part of Beane’s job. There are times – especially in free agency – where Beane’s ability to recruit players becomes important. It would be destructive if there were ever a league-wide perception that Oakland doesn’t embrace and employ African-American players on the major league roster. It would make it difficult to sign African-American players in the future if such a perception existed. And that would obviously have a negative ripple effect on the team’s success.
Many ANers would scoff about race/culture being a consideration in MLB roster construction. But consider the White Sox: Having Jose Contreras on the roster helped them recruit fellow Cuban Alexei Ramirez, who turned out to be an incredible bargain. Ramirez in turn helped recruit 19-year-old 3b Dayan Viciedo earlier this offseason.
The White Sox’s diversity and Cuban presence gave them an edge in recruiting the two best talents to emerge from Cuba in the last few years.
2.) There aren’t “plenty” of American-born black players, period. So it’s not like it’s easy to sign very good African-American players in free agency every year. This year, there were basically two – Milton Bradley and Sabathia. (Griffey Jr., Orlando Hudson, Tony Clark are clearly in a different tier).
3.) You are below replacement level in left field. :)
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by notsellingjeans on Dec 27, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, are you saying that Milton Bradley
is better than Orlando Hudson? Because if so, I disagree.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
but is Milton Berle better than Orlando Bloom?
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by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and John Milton is better than Tony Orlando
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2008 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet Leopold Bloom is better than any
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!
I got mail!
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by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not got the weapon
of Milton Berle. Or Milton Bradley.
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by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so if you were the part-owner GM of a professional sports team
in utah, oregon, washington, minnesota, wisconsin, new england, upstate ny, canada west of ontario, etc. you would favor white players for marketing purposes?
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by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were in Utah,
I would be sure to consult my wives on it first.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a hard-hitting question right there.
I’m interested in whether or not you’re going to get a reply — and if so, what it will read like..
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 27, 2008 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting but largely irrelevant.
The purpose of a baseball team is to win games. The absolute best marketing an organization can do is produce consistently competitive, winning teams.
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by VORP is too nerdy on Dec 27, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess my point is...
Winning > Diversity
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by VORP is too nerdy on Dec 27, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and that was my point
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Dec 28, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, that's pretty obvious
I never argued that it wasn’t.
My point was comparing two otherwise-equal alternatives (same price, same projected level of performance, etc.).
And you extrapolated from that that I was implying that the A’s should target African-American players because the team is based in Oakland. I wasn’t – like it clearly says in my first post, the team should actively make an effort to diversify its roster to continually promote the A’s as a destination for FAs of all ethnicities, and positively contribute to the team’s perception among players league-wide.
That has nothing to do with your post from above about “favoring white players in predominately white markets”. I’m not talking about pandering to fans - I’m talking about ensuring that the A’s have a fighting chance to sign every free agent that hits the market, and that a player never dismisses the A’s out-of-hand because of a biased perception of the team (e.g., a player’s belief that the team isn’t a comfortable environment for minority players, and specifically African Americans).
The best way to ensure that players will never feel that way is to actively recruit and sign AA talent.
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by notsellingjeans on Dec 28, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you'd rather someone hit .320 than be a given ethnicity?
Hmm. I’ll hafta ponder that!
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by Nico on Dec 28, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree.
But for some, the social considerations of baseball have an amount of importance attached and they’ll tend to be vocal about it if they perceive unfairness. This does end up being controversial and can hurt marketing.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 28, 2008 6:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If a team were in a position that it were lacking for white folks, sure, why not ...
I doubt there are many teams out there with at least a third of their roster being white, though …
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by devo on Dec 27, 2008 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
upstate NY
Buffalo is now a majority black city, so I’d probably cut upstate off the list
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by Cutthemullet on Dec 29, 2008 7:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus
NSJ wasn’t saying that on the basis of the diversity of the city of Oakland, rather because of the league-wide repercussions of fielding an all-white roster. I mean, read it—no mention of Oakland demographics.
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by Cutthemullet on Dec 29, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hindsight
big hurt I was more of a “crippled vet who obviously can’t perform on a consistent basis” than big hurt II, yet you left big hurt I off the list because he did perform.
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by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
While I respect Monkeyballs opinions and his right to them...
his post makes me want to say this, get over yourself. I understand that we all like to speculate and like to be “pretend” GM’s sometimes (I do too). But this is not our team, it’s BB’s team, and he does damn good job of running it. Over the years BB and the organization have made several moves I think have made all of us scratch our head, but you know what, for some weird, crazy, unexplainable reason they almost always seem to work out…I mean it’s like BB knows what he is doing or something…weird. Just relax and let the master do his thing.
by bdemartin on Dec 27, 2008 11:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You've had enough Kool-aid
His moves “almost always seem to work out”? Monkeyball listed about a dozen moves which flat out failed and GA has Epic Fail tattooed on his forehead.
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by grover on Dec 27, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since the A's are nowhere close to signing Anderson
this post is just theatrical overreaction, IMO. But what if Lew Wolff knew a corrupt east coast real estate agent? Oh, right.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beane is actually making everyone think he is talking to GA when, in actuality, he is working out a deal with Crosby, Patterson and Denorfia for J J Hardy
You have to look behind the smoke and mirrors to actually see what Beane is doing.
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by Eastbayjim on Dec 27, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Though unless the smoke is cannabis or opiate based,
I suspect the Hardy deal is going down differently.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but hey, we could catch the Brewers at a weak moment like we did with the Sox last year for Swisher.
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by Eastbayjim on Dec 27, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but you can't think that Crosby, Patterson, Denorfia
will have anything meaningful to do with a deal for Hardy, do you?
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but it would get talks started with a good laugh
and once the Milwaukee GM has peed his pants and wiped away his tears, he might distracted into something that at least looks promising.
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by DMOAS on Dec 27, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then we could agree to throw in new pants!
Deal done.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Actually the way I look at it is the Brewers lost alot this offseason. What would they like from us that we would be willing to part with. Now mind you that Hardy will only be here for two years where I would think I would pay more for Escobar than for Hardy even though Hardy would be better for the the time he is here. I don’t like paying good money for a short term deal.
Also, I am sure we can throw in a couple pair of new pants…
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by Eastbayjim on Dec 27, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So that's where my pants are!!
At least they went someplace good.
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by DMOAS on Dec 27, 2008 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the press conference...
…we can all sing the praises of pants.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Dec 29, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No one likes to hear that their love is thinking about shagging one's mortal enemy
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by grover on Dec 27, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You get 2 points.
One for zinging monkeyball in this post, and one for zinging monkeyball’s previous post.
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by VORP is too nerdy on Dec 27, 2008 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How are the Kotsay deal and signing Payton total failures?
We gave up who for Kotsay — Hernandez and Long? Whatever. And I remember Payton being somewhat productive for us.
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by humdinger on Dec 27, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, the extension was bad.
The acquisition was pretty freaking phenomenal.
by mikev on Dec 27, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, strictly speaking the team belongs to the owners
but, a fan has every right to refuse to spend their money on the team, and to express that refusal.
And if enough other fans share the viewpoint of that fan, only a dumb owner and dumb GM would take the approach that “it’s my team…”.
It’s the fans who support teams over the years, devoting their time, effort and money. GMs come and go. Owners come and go.
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by rfloh on Dec 27, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but don’t certain people around here already believe that ownership considers fans to be unnecessary and that revenue sharing is what supports the team?
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by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, fine.
you want to be one of the small group of fans of such a team?
You want to be one of the few remaining fans of a team where a particular GM is considered the most important part of the the entire franchise? What happens when he leaves then?
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by rfloh on Dec 27, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, even if one believes your contention,
one doesn’t have to accept it.
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by rfloh on Dec 27, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"certain people around here" does not include me, but it does include certain people around here
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM, Coenesque Refrain Division
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 27, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And while revenue sharing is fine
an owner has the choice thinking short term and going the route of the Marlins, or thinking long term, and actually trying to significantly increase his investment over a long period of time.
Marginal wins per dollar spent isn’t the only way to measure a successful approach.
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by rfloh on Dec 27, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If I could mount that last sentence on the forehead of all A's fans I would.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But when you're on a budget that's not unlimited like the Yankees or Sox, contracts that don't maximize dollars spent hurt a LOT more.
by mikev on Dec 27, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I'm glad we're pain free with a cheap crappy team.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
even as a false-flag operation...
it’s so blatently transparent and unconvincing, I don’t see how the “threat” of signing Anderson makes Giambi more pliable in his negotiating position. We already have a DH and several outfielders who are better than GA. Giambi will be playing 1B.
Now, maybe Beane is targeting Abreu, so it makes a little more sense in his case. That said, I doubt Abreu views Anderson as a serious alternative to himself. I know AN doesn’t. I can’t believe BB does, either.
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by FoolshGame22 on Dec 27, 2008 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Enough Out Fielders!
Get a damn SS or 3rd baseman.
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by Syphon on Dec 27, 2008 12:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or a 1st baseman who can actually hit.
Theres an idea!
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by Syphon on Dec 27, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah barton can’t actually hit… based on 4 freaking months
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by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barton didnt hit for 140 games.
Im not giving up on him but a year in AAA wouldnt hurt him.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Dec 27, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The discontent for Barton after last year's performance is mind-boggling
I really believe that the haters will all be wrong in the end. I think the guy has a chance to be pretty damn special in a “doubles” sort of way. Heck I am still holding out hope that he’ll develop a dinger stroke before it’s all said and done.
Looking forward to Spring Training and the hope of another World Series title.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Dec 27, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but my concerns aren't his stats
My concern is how much differently the ball came off his bat in 2008 – with a “sploosh” instead of a “crack”. I have to assume there was absolutely no injury, but it seemed “bad back” or “hurt wrist” like to me. And if not the result of physical limitations, then what? Confuzzling.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember the first time I met him shorty after he was traded
to the A’s. He looked like Jim Thome and he was so humble. I was sure hoping he would hit like him but that likely won’t happen. However he is so damn young that we should all give him more time before getting too concerned.
Do you know if any A’s players are rehabbing in Arizona? I’m going to Phoenix and Mexico for a couple of weeks and am mildly interested in stopping by the complex.
Looking forward to Spring Training and the hope of another World Series title.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Dec 27, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No idea on that, sorry
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When I see the words "sploosh" and "crack" in a comment about Barton, his hitting isn't what comes to mind
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Dec 28, 2008 6:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that comment sure went swimmingly
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by Nico on Dec 28, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if we pool our resources we can take a better crack at it
(just try not to go off the deep end)
by still bills kingdom on Dec 28, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or into the shallow end
99 MPH with as much control as a deflating balloon - CurveballKing on H-Rod
by Scottbass on Dec 28, 2008 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah really - the deep end is NOT the problem
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by Nico on Dec 28, 2008 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or a 3B that can hit and stick
Chavz at 1B to save his shoulder
by A'sfaninNC on Dec 29, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be OK with signing Garret Anderson
He’s old but still hit .293 with 84 RBI last year. He’s been on winning teams and should be an asset vs. the Angels who we have to beat if we’re ever going to win a division again.
by worldblee on Dec 27, 2008 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Garret's grit
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is he at doing the little things and sacrificing himself for the team?
by mikev on Dec 27, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He does that by making outs 70% of the time!
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also refrains from spitting on the floor of the dugout.
Brandy and Eggnog
by Ice Cream on Dec 27, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And he has a clean batting helmet.
Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969
by billyball1981 on Dec 27, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He spits on his batting helmet?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im with monkeyball
If we sign GA that will be the tipping point as to whether or not I buy the mlb.com baseball package. NO WAY.
Do I think Beane would ever do that, no? I imagine they are interested in Abreu at 1b because he could be potentially solid at 1B. I imagine lack of range is the only thing hurting him in the OF these days because he used to be rather good out there. His defense + offense could easily be better than Giambi’s depending on the price. GA on the other hand, I imagine the A’s just name dropped him for leverage with the other FAs. They dont want any of these guys to think they are the only option.
GA is probably my least favorite of all baseball players. Symbolically, he is historically the anti-moneyball: horrible defense, over-valued offensive contribution. Add to that the fact that the Angels love(d) him and I scorn(ed) them for that. Plus, he is old and decaying, and he NEVER DIVES >> ASSHOLE.
My love for the A’s is not a blind-one based on geography, its based on philosophy. I wouldn’t root for the United States if it became a backwards dictatorship…I wouldn’t root for the A’s if they became a backwards organization. GA belongs on the GIANTS.
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by ChadGod on Dec 27, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't root for the United States if it became a backward dictatorship?
Well gosh, then, I hope that doesn’t happen!
{bans self, hires LowCountryJoe to assume blogging duties}
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope that you are joking about abandoning the A's ship
if they sign GA. I don’t think it’s a good move but being a true A’s fan means for better or worse. Come on, monkeyball. You’re better than that and people would dearly miss arguing with you from time to time.
Looking forward to Spring Training and the hope of another World Series title.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Dec 27, 2008 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
{Considers it. Looks at offer sheet then pulls a Furcal}
Or, rather, considered it.
Thinks of offer for Sheets instead of expensive-assed FA GA-type hitters on the down-side of their bang for their bucks careers.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 27, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fire LCJ Now!
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Dec 27, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he almost lasted an hour.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what she said
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Dec 28, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With a contented smile
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was roundly shouted down for making similar assertions if the A's signed Bonds
This one makes a little less sense to me, but I suppose my take didn’t make sense to some people, either.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Dec 27, 2008 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No need to panic ladies and gentlemen,
the chains (holding that monkey) are made of chrome steel.
alaska A residing in colorado.
by ak_A on Dec 27, 2008 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yellow dichromate would be stronger
Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969
by billyball1981 on Dec 27, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait, what?
i’m away from civiliastion for five days (read, i was in upland, ca) and when i get back, harold pinter is dead and the a’s are signing gah!ret anderson?
can i not leave the world unattended for just a little bit?
I have no solutions, just rejoindres
by alea iacta est on Dec 27, 2008 2:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
For the dig on Upland…I hate the Inland Empire vehemently.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Dec 27, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i went for a walk, for like two hours
and by the end, i’d have been grateful to have found starbucks. a starbucks! and it wasn’t even sunny.
I have no solutions, just rejoindres
by alea iacta est on Dec 27, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A walk in Upland is a no win proposition. You should know better than that.
If you did walk for two hours though, you should have been able to make it to Claremont.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the Giants just offered Pinter a three-year deal today.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well
they’d be more the Dwarfs than the Giants, then, eh?
thangewverrmush, that ones for all the english majors out there
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by alea iacta est on Dec 27, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your comment gives me a slight ache
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice
(looks up list of harold pinter plays)
er, is that from a night out?
my brother went to see Rememberance of Things Past in London yesterday; he says it was largely underwealming.
what have i learned from this? must not die whilst less work is currently in production
I have no solutions, just rejoindres
by alea iacta est on Dec 27, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You left Harold Pinter unattended for quite some time.
At least I now know where to direct my anger. You wanker.
Let's Go Oakland! clap clap clapclapcl-- damn, I think I sprained my wrist...
by SF Geoff on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would never abandon this team
But I sure as hell would earn a banning by the second or thrid game for being totally negative towards any shitty player Beane collects for this team.
by Trainman on Dec 27, 2008 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
3 weeks ago...
there were hopes of furcal,rj, giambi/nick johnson
angels were still in the running to resign teixiera/krod, maybe even try for CC
nothing went as planned for either team so far, yet this is a huge opportunity for A’s to go for it and they are messing around with the typical old, end of career guys like garett anderson that we’ve seen during the beane era.
that would be a huge letdown
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 27, 2008 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why the hate?
I whole-heartedly concur with the consensus that this would be a stupid signing for the team. But if by some weird chance BB really did sign GA, I’d enjoy rooting for him to not suck a whole lot more than I would for pretty much all the other past-their-prime big-name free agents that have been mentioned.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Dec 27, 2008 3:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with monkeyball's quit if GA is signed decision,
but Beane has a disturbing tendency to acquire players like that the last couple seasons. Shannon Stewart, Emil Brown.
Guys like that are pointless. If you don’t want to contend, and want to rebuild fine. Go grab a bunch of “4A” hitters, give them PAs. Maybe you get lucky, and find a Cust; if not, no big deal.
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by rfloh on Dec 27, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One difference this year is that the A's have more payroll flexibility
to aim higher than Stewart/Brown, so aiming higher, for Giambi, Sheets, Dunn, etc. makes more sense and aiming for Anderson just doesn’t. But I’d give about 1,000:1 against the A’s actually signing Anderson so this rant just seems silly to me because it’s not based on anything that has actually happened or even appears likely to happen.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heaven forbid we roll in silliness during the offseason
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Dec 27, 2008 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, that would be silly
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's not how we roll.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Dec 27, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM,
for grover, nico, and especially oblique.
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by rfloh on Dec 27, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quote Of The Month
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 28, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent nomination.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
If we must sign a past-his-prime big-name free agent, my first choice is Frank Thomas. Not because I think he’d be any good for the team, but just because I love him so much. Bring back the Big Hurt!
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Dec 27, 2008 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Of course, by the time Thomas reached second base on his first double,
Trevor Cahill would be filing for free agency.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If signing Garret Anderson would push you away from the A's...
…well, whatever, I guess.
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by Flashfire on Dec 27, 2008 3:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
monkeyball-style totally unsupported by facts or evidence conspiracy theory:
saying he will walk away from the a’s and baseball is a bit of an empty threat because there is almost no chance beane signs GA.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also
what else would he do? he’d only last a couple of days before he missed the rapier like repartee of AN
I have no solutions, just rejoindres
by alea iacta est on Dec 27, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey - that rapier charge was trumped up,
and didn’t even stick. And the whole thing was misreparted by the press.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A few confusing things...
In the Beane blunder’s section: I don’t understand how turning Mark Redman and Arthur Rhodes into Jason Kendall, then turnging Kendall into Bowen and Blevins is a blunder.
I don’t think getting Kotsay and turning him into Devine is a blunder. I don’t see how Stewart hitting .290 for 1.5 millions is a blunder…
but at least you didn’t mention the Hudson trade
that's gold jerry, gold!!!
by 9Custs on Dec 27, 2008 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And Estelle Getty had some underrated years
as Bea Arthur’s mother.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
9Custs' confusion is going to come up again and again, isn't it?
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Dec 27, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's my opinion that Kotsay should not have been given an extention.
IIRC, the Yankees were very interested in trading for Kotsay. We could have have kept Byrnes in the OF and moved Swisher to CF. There’s no telling what the Yankees would have given up for Kotsay but I’m thinking that it would have been better than Joe Kennedy and Jay Witasick (which we got for Byrnes). It may have been someone better than Devine, too…someone that would have been playing for the team for a couple of years now.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 27, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, in hindsight, but I don't recall a whole lotta guys panning the Kotsay extension at the time.
What bothers me more is that they almost repeated the mistake with Furcal. Thankfully
Beane lowballed him at Fatapples.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2008 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I recall many on here were against the Kotsay extension
Maybe 2/3 – 1/3 but it wasn’t a landslide.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't here then
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah - you weren't here, but don't recall a lotta guys panning the extension
Got it! :-)
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I frequented other boards
(feels dirty)
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not...that...
{runs out of chat room crying}
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was against it...
but, probably not as much as I am against signing GA. ;-)
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Dec 28, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
many people here opposed it
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"certain people around here" opposed it
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 27, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but
you lose points here
I’d be willing to accept a flaky, streaky Zito for more years to come.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit! I just got burned...
…due to my own necromancing.
Not to be confused with Niekro-romancing
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 27, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i feel your chagrin. zito...sheesh.
alaska A residing in colorado.
by ak_A on Dec 27, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quothe James Freund, ace M&A lawyer: there are three outcomes when you bluff.
Two of ’em are bad.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Dec 27, 2008 4:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You win, you lose, or you get shot?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They believe you and do what you want.
They believe you and don’t do what you want, or
They don’t believe you and expose the bluff.
It doesn’t mean “never bluff” — just like Moneyball doesn’t say “never steal.” It just sez: If you do it, do so judiciously, you’ll maximize your one good outcome.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Dec 27, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's there's three things
that can happen when you pass the ball. Two of them are bad.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It explodes or...?
Oh yeah, it could also be intercepted, huh?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's a dream deferred.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't root for Garret Anderson
That guy never dives for balls or shows any emotion. I don’t want any guy like that around my team.
by Bob on Dec 27, 2008 5:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why is that important?
You would have rejected players like Catfish Hunter and Dwayne Murphy. I don’t want Garrett Anderson playing for the A’s because he’s not a good player at this point in his career. Whether or not he shows any emotion is irrelevant. If Mr. Spock could put up a .300/.400/.500 line I’d want him in Green & Gold, diving and emotional displays be damned.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
by Monday Fan on Dec 27, 2008 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the plus side,
he does touch home plate after colliding with the catcher.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Dec 27, 2008 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
G.A. is a good fielder
By never diving he makes sure single are not reborn as triples.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 27, 2008 5:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or he WAS a good fielder
At this stage of his career, I’d say Anderson is a “professional hitter,” but not a good one, and that he “knows how to play LF,” he just can’t.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem here is the pitchers
You have to get your staff on G.A.’s program and train them that if a batter is going to hit a flyball to left field, they should throw the ball so that the batter hits it right to Garret.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 27, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right now we're more focused on getting
guys like Gallagher and Gio Gonzalez to throw the ball vaguely near Kurt Suzuki.
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quitting your team is like
Trying to quit eating. You can starve for awhile then you just gotta eat. Look, I survived the great abandon the ship after the 1976 season, sure I was bitter, but I still went to games, and supported the team. Granted, there were not many, but I stayed. At least we are not as bad as the 77-79 era.
Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969
by billyball1981 on Dec 27, 2008 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But those teams never did something so horrible
as to sign Garret Anderson to a contract. I mean, the guy hit .178 last season and robbed a liquor store at crowbarpoint just to pay off a drug dealer who was threatening his illegitimate daughter.
No wait, that was my friend Garret Schwartz. Never mind.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOLngshore
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 7:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that td pass...man oh man, it had pick written all over it....but thank god.
alaska A residing in colorado.
by ak_A on Dec 27, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What have you got against Scandinavians?
by Englishmajor on Dec 27, 2008 8:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What have you got against Math majors?
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by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you have against proper grammar?
"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."
by VORP is too nerdy on Dec 27, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I told you you had a proper grammar, would you hold it against me?
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Dec 27, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh God, not Thanksgiving again
I can still smell Aunt Bertha’s Eau de Ben Gay as she greeted me with her customary molestation.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 28, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
O/T: Anyone want the result of Rampage and the Axe Murderer (UFC 92)
Just in case someone is recording it.
by Trainman on Dec 27, 2008 8:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rampage won
I now have a 1/2 chance of having seriously pissed someone off.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a side note,
if you’re interested, I designed and made all the logos/decals on Rampage’s shorts and designed and made his banner. In addition to others.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I made Mir's too.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(damn, I'm cool)
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, if I had ever heard of any of these guys
I’d be way impressed!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's something.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are cool ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Dec 27, 2008 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i would be impressed if i was a cosmonaut
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Dec 27, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY!
Don’tcha wanna go down with me?
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EEWW!!!!!
Oh, with you. Maybe.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They refer to that by number, I believe.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Dec 27, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Going for the real subtle recognition here

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Dec 27, 2008 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In former Soviet Union, Nogueira KO's Mir
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Dec 28, 2008 2:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I read/heard earlier this year...
…that G Anderson has degraded significantly over the last year or two, and that he is in no way the player he once was. In a physical ability sense, I mean. Is that true?
"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds
by UncleLeo on Dec 27, 2008 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If you're asking if he's a sucky piece of junk who's broken down, over the hill and shouldn't even be considered...
…the answer is yes.
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Dec 27, 2008 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i bet Beane sees this
and signs him just to piss you off
that's gold jerry, gold!!!
by 9Custs on Dec 28, 2008 2:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I bet Beane sees this
and releases Jack Cust just to piss you off
"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."
by VORP is too nerdy on Dec 28, 2008 4:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Dec 28, 2008 6:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Silent warrior garrett anderson
He sure fills up the back of a baseball card…IMO, the preliminary talks with his agents center on his openness to playing 1B. Super consistent, with career averages of:
AVG: .296
OBP: .327
OPS: .796
Is he just a great player pre-moneyball, or still an attractive 1B in this new millennium? What cost do these services warrant?
by greenpaddedgloves on Dec 28, 2008 9:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
too much
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Dec 28, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monkey...
Get more sleep. It’s effecting your perspective.
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 28, 2008 11:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
so what you're saying is that...
Beane has made this kind of signing before, many times in fact, but you’re randomly choosing to take a stand should this one take place. You made no case whatsoever about why signing Anderson would elicit this kind of strong reaction while signing, say, Emil Brown would only be a cause for minor complaint. You even admitted that the guys GA would be competing against for playing time have limited potential. Truly bizarre.
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
by Cutthemullet on Dec 29, 2008 7:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
GIAMSORRY LIVES!!!
garret anderson is not a good chemistry fit here, for players or fans. it would be liek maggette for the warriors… a big, fat, easily spotted disapoitment. that’s a business direction i really hope the front office doesn’t go.
by jaylikewise on Dec 29, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You know, poker is getting hugely popular
I cannot imagine personally why someone would watch it on television, but that is reality in the USA in 2008 (nearly 2009).
Given the fact that in poker you have to “play with the cards that are dealt to you”, would it not make MLB more exciting, popular, interesting, ……
….if all the players were put into one big lottery system, and teams just drew a new team every year from the pot? Require each team to contribute an equal amount to the pot for salaries ($120 million) and let the MLBPA work out their own formula as to who gets paid how much to play MLB for how long, how many seasons. You could hire your own coaches and managers, and all other staff, but all the pitchers would be assigned by lottery, all the catchers in turn, etc. We wouldn’t have to give up on our favorite team because of purposeful action any more than a poker player gives up on a hand because he draws a “three”.
If fans are “rooting for the uniform” anyway, and sportswriters act as if the Cubs team of 2008 is somehow related to the team of 1908, and all teams in between, what difference does it make if players simply get totally reshuffled among clubs every year, compared to the total reshuffle that occurs every four years (ok, 90% reshuffle, or changeover) that is the reality today??
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Dec 30, 2008 9:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And then fantasy teams could be done
by keeping players for 6 years!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 30, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 30, 2008 5:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll remember that next time you have anything less than 100% positive to say about the A's
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 1, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless the A's sign Garret Anderson, in which case you'll never really know
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 1, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
true!
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 1, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jan 1, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I had a new thought about GA
Negotiating with Scott Boras over GA is simply “face time” and “practice” in order to do a good job on the real Scott Boras signing they want:
Matt Holliday
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Dec 31, 2008 8:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Back to the dramatic Subject at Hand
Kind of puzzled at the flares of apparent of GA hatred in this thread. Actually watching GA hit against the A’s shows he rakes at the coliseum. Last season was the first I can remember us ever being able to get that guy out. He also seems like a class act, a gentleman. Just because our pitching can’t stop him until recently (because of an injury), and he’s getting older, he’s valid cause for the end of an A’s allegiance? See ya. Sounds a little dramatic to me. As far as I know, he’s had one injury— why is he now vilified as being “chronically injured”? I’d actually like a guy who can hit .300 in our lineup, and I’ll be barfing if I have to watch one more season of anemic offense cloaked by an over-emphasis of the moneyball approach. Good OBP does not just mean take all your pitches, all the time. Without a few hitters actually able to put the ball in play, and a few runners actually able to steal a base (imagine that!), the picture is not complete. We need to aggressively sign one of these three FAs, and pronto. There really aren’t a lot of choices left now out there. I’d rank the three of them as follows: 1. Giambi, 2. Abreau, 3. GA. In the real world, in this market, we can’t afford to scorn 84-96 RBIS, nor guys who can do what hitters are paid for— to hit the bleeping ball when it makes sense to do so.
by oaklidiot on Jan 1, 2009 8:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And it appears the A's are pursuing guys in precisely that order:
Giambi, back-up Abreu, back-up to that Anderson.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 2, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Beane followed your reasoning, he'd strenuously avoid Abreu and Giamsorri, and go straight for GA
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 3, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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