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Giambino, Round 2?

There are a few major league players I stand up and boo at A's games. It's not pretty, but I save a special volume setting for the likes of A-Rod, ManRam, Coco Crisp, Barry Bonds (God rest his soul) Mo Rivera and of course, Jason Giambi. I get loud and I get personal, and it's usually enough to illicit game-long jawing from Yankee fans in earshot. Giambi is a special case, however, and I make sure to come correct.

Last season at McAfee I made a few new friends in pinstripes as I repeatedly yelled "I WAS WRONG TO DO THAT STUFF!" when Giambi took the plate; mimicking his near-confession to steroid allegations in front of a judgemental sporting press earlier that year. Fans in the know recall him swimming in tearful remorse as his conscience publicly sputtered to a gaffe. And although he never said the word, everyone knew what he meant: he was juicing, and he was sorry.

The humiliation of it all was a special reward for A's fans with a chip on their shoulder. Most of us still hold a grudge against the guy who won the MVP for Oakland in 2000 and signed with the Yankees 1 year later. In typical fashion, Giambi was swept away by New York's deep pockets and navy-blue mystique. He sealed a $100MM+ deal by cutting his long hair, shaving his goatee, and trading in his west coast bad-boy look for a more presentable Manhattan manner. He was one of the first and certainly most notable free agent (read: sell-out) departures, and A's fans still hate him for it.

So how do I feel about the possibility of him signing a 2 year deal with Oakland? I'm juiced (pun intended). Giambi is a career .289 hitter and once did great things for the A's. There are, however, pros and cons. Like any 38 year old (who is recently off the juice) his performance has declined. But in all fairness, that's exactly why the A's can afford him. Giambi will hit his 400th home run next season, and how fitting would it be for him to do it in Green and Gold?

The 2-time Silver Slugger would bring power to a lineup that desperately needs it. He could play first base, keeping Jack Cust at DH (and relieved of defensive responsibilities in the outfield) and will likely knock in 20+ homers. Like it or not, he is a big name lightning rod that will at least earn some attention and hopefully contribute some regular offense. For a team that ranked second to last in RBIs in 2008, his contribution would be valuable.

The drawbacks are less tangible: he is unliked... he is old... he is expensive (as he will want a 2 year commitment)... and most of all, his game may be on the end of its rope. All of these are potential red flags. Old guy sluggers are always a risky move, but one the A's have recently seemed willing to take. Betting on Frank Thomas paid off in 2006, but not so much last year. Piazza was a total flop. What's to say that Giambi will continue to perform at a time when most power hitters either die quietly or defy nature and keep slugging? Nothing. There are no guarantees with this kind of contract, and lack of security is this contract's biggest downside.

But market conditions are what they are. The A's don't have the resources to sign Mark Teixiera... It's just the reality of the situation. The most feasible offensive acquisition right now is Jason Giambi. Pros and cons considered, it's a good move for the A's. I think he has at least 2 good years left in him, and I'd like to see him spend those in Oakland. After all, I'm more of an A's lover than a Giambi hater. Plus, he made an easy business decision to join the Yankees. Money talks, and he is certainly not the only guy to outgrow his contract with the A's.

So for what it's worth, Jason: I forgive you... provided you: a) sign with us. b) sign with us at a reasonable sum, in a reasonable amount of time. c) hit at least .275 for the season. d) smash at least one walkoff against Jonathan Papelbon to deep right field and/or issue defamatory statements towards former Yankee teammates or management. That's it. Otherwise, welcome home champ.

-J

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haha great last paragraph

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by ChadGod on Dec 22, 2008 4:44 PM PST reply actions  

Sadly, the least likely to be met of all your demands

is Giambi hitting .275.

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by Nico on Dec 22, 2008 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

And one off of Mike Stanton

Cuz that was just great.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 22, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

And 79 more.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

best game i ever went to

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Dec 22, 2008 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Same here

That walkoff was classic!

by pbra17 on Dec 22, 2008 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

that one and

the 2 out, full count scutaro walkoff in 07. two of my favorite games ever.

by jaylikewise on Dec 23, 2008 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

One of the few games

I’ve gone to with my Mom and it happened to be that one. Great, great game.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Dec 22, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of Angels relievers

Bootcheck signed with some other team (the Pirates, IIRC). No more demolishing him for funsies. sad face :(

"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby

by DyeLongJustice on Dec 22, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Mekka lekka hi, mekka hiney ho!

The wish is granted. Long live Giambi!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 22, 2008 6:34 PM PST reply actions  

mekka lekka chola mekka hana mekka hey!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 22, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

One of those pictures is not like the other.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...

the Mech is drawn instead of being Live Action!

facepalm.jpg

by Zonis on Dec 25, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

How about Adrian Gonzalez?

I was just reading about how super valuable he is and how its certainly possible the Padres could decide to deal him.

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by ChadGod on Dec 22, 2008 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

The A's would have to blow up the farm to get him

And already have several good-to-very good 1B prospects/players.

by NateHST on Dec 22, 2008 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Am I a pyromaniac if I like seeing farms blown up?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2008 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Leave farms alone!

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by Nico on Dec 22, 2008 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

END FARM SUBSIDIES NOW!

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 22, 2008 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Fire Farms Now!

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Is an “end farm” anything like a sex farm?

I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 23, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

any spinal tap reference gets a +1 in my book

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by harendaman365 on Dec 23, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a sound policy. Can I automatically +1 all such references even

though I don’t actually read them?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 23, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Still a lot of booing in me.

Do not want to spend money on that guy which I do not respect!

by calas on Dec 22, 2008 6:49 PM PST reply actions  

Who didn't use steroids in that era?

I am over the Giambi/Steroids thing. At least he had the balls to admit it (sort of). He is still a good hitter and we need a good hitter. My hope is that if/when Chavez hit’s the DL, he can morph into our infield coach #2 and make Giambi a better fielder.

Of course, that is a pipe dream, but what can you do during the slowest of slowness that is this offseason.

"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby

by DyeLongJustice on Dec 22, 2008 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

If he hadn't used steroids he wouldn't only "sort of" have balls.

Frank Thomas still has a full set.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

contrary to popular belief

your testicles revert back to normal size once the cycle has run its course

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Dec 22, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yay!!!!!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 22, 2008 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Aargh

Lame pseudo-apologies don’t take “balls.” He didn’t put anything on the line in that “apology”— oh no, he very conveniently left himself plenty of wiggle room if someone came after him for it. What a pathetic display that was.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 22, 2008 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

How is what he did less worthy of resptect than an outright lie?

It seemed to me that Giambi wanted to come clean, but couldn’t because it would have been just plain stupid for legal reasons. No, what he did took a lot more bravery than someone who either fools himself into thinking he did no wrong or can tell a boldface untruth about his own actions.

"Good or bad, I don't know. This is awesome." ~Nick Swisher after being asked if it was wise to poor beer on Lew Wolfe's head.

by humdinger on Dec 22, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Person A -- I am not a crook

Person B — I don’t admit being a crook, but am sorry for doing stuff

How is Person B any more or less brave than Person A?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

because

Person A is Richard Nixon.

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by King Richard on Dec 22, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Dec 25, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

There is no way

his lawyers would allow him to directly admit to juicing. He came as close to it as he possibly could. After the fact, he is not in as much (any?) trouble as Clemens or Bonds, and in my mind, even though it was an indirect apology, I think we all know what he was talking about, and he did his best to apologize.

by somebodyelse on Dec 22, 2008 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Correction

There is no way his lawyers would allow him to directly admit to juicing to the media. He did admit it to the investigative panel.

by somebodyelse on Dec 22, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Giambi never denied being a crook, for one.

And he essentially admitted taking steroids by saying he was wrong for “using that stuff.” The only other active baseball player I can think of who has admitted steroid use is Andy Pettite, and he denied any sort of culpability really. Giambi took a step that no other player who has used steroids and is currently playing has been willing to make. I think that deserves more props than those who deny and lie.

"Good or bad, I don't know. This is awesome." ~Nick Swisher after being asked if it was wise to poor beer on Lew Wolfe's head.

by humdinger on Dec 22, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly. And,

If he can add 25+ HR to our offense, and platoon 1B / DH decently, I will cheer for him. I never felt betrayed by the guy for signing with the Yanks, BB had hinted that entire season that he may not return to the A’s, so it should have been no surprise when he went elsewhere. Of course I realize he hasn’t signed with us just yet, and this entire thread could be moot anyway.

by somebodyelse on Dec 22, 2008 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Person B -- I don't deny not being a crook and I can add 25+ HR to your offense

Oohhhh….he’s so brave!!!

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Not brave,

but he has handled this whole steroids situation better than any other player IMO. America is very forgiving to sports personalities if they admit they have done wrong. I concede that he didn’t say ," I have used steroids" but that is because that would have been the death knell in his career, and opened many new arguments. He indirectly said he did it, and apologized to the best of his ability at that point, and I for one of many have moved on. Palmeiro, Sosa, Bonds, and Clemens have lied about everything, and they will never play again.

by somebodyelse on Dec 22, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I can accept this

without the bravery thing.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

ya maybe Brave is a bit much. he did use, and he has to man up. the thing is, he’s gotten closer to that than any other baseball player. and he didn’t even do the whole Mark McGuire thing.

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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 22, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

McGwire, McGwire, McGwire

Sorry, but nobody who follows the A’s should be spelling that incorrectly.

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by Flashfire on Dec 24, 2008 1:56 AM PST up reply actions  

For swre

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

He's lying

Fibber McGgy.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

The only baseball cologne I wear

is Bartolo.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It's less worthy of respect because it's contemptible

He wants to have his cake and eat it too— forgiveness without consequences.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 22, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You respect liars

over ones who concede they did wrong?

by somebodyelse on Dec 22, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

He didn't concede he did anything wrong

He conceded that he took steroids.

If he felt it was wrong, he’d accept the punishment which he deserved to receive.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 22, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

He conceded that he took roids

and therefore did wrong. He apologized (albeit to a limited degree), and thusly avoided legal punishment. Why is this a reason to not welcome him back?

by somebodyelse on Dec 22, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

He absolutely conceded that what he did was wrong — that’s exactly what showing remorse for past actions is. By it’s very nature, apologizing and showing regret is an admission that he fucked up. Contrast this to someone like Clemens. And by the way, I don’t think Giambi is brave since what he did initially was weak. But I do believe that what he did took courage that no other roided baseball player has been willing to do, and at least he came around and manned up. My point is is that at of all the baseball players who have used roids, whether known or unknown, Giambi is the one I respect the most.

"Good or bad, I don't know. This is awesome." ~Nick Swisher after being asked if it was wise to poor beer on Lew Wolfe's head.

by humdinger on Dec 23, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh woe is me, what have I done

Wait, you want to punish me? Huh? I didn’t do anything wrong really.

His “admission” was like self-flagellation except with a feather instead of a whip.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 24, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe that's all he could lift, post-steroids

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 24, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly what would it take....

for him to do to satisfy your moral outrage? If you intend on practicing criminal law, you may indeed have a bright future as a DA.

I find your notion of moral outrage a little misguided. I damn well knew that a lot of baseball players were probably using performance enhancing compounds back in 95. I seem to recall that an awful lot of other people made the same connections that I did. I cheered them on anyway. So I’m not about to take a revisionist view of their activities at this point. Your point of view enspouses hypocrisy at its best.

Let the man live. I know enough about justice that I myself prefer mercy. With some things, that’s not possible. For the ones where no one else was physically or financially harmed, let fate decide the penalty. I’ve got enough baggage to carry without wondering how much Jason’s weighs.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 25, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

he did suffer consequences on a personal level. He became very sick and had to remove himself from the public eye completely. I’m sure he had alot of time to sit and think about all he had done to get himself to the point he was at in his life till then.

On that note……….Merry Christmas!

by mrod on Dec 22, 2008 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

oh jeez Paul

just let it go…..

Either you like the idea of Giambi coming back, all forgiven or you don’t. The past is the past and I don’t think it’s gonna go anywhere with all the back and forth of, “Did Jason Giambi really apologize for his mistakes?”, argument. Trust me, I was plenty pissed when Giambi left the A’s for more money and glory with the Yanks, and, I was plenty privately smirking when he got busted for cheating the game.

However, at this point, I’m more interested in what he can possibly contribute to the 2009 Oakland Athletics. And please remeber at the same time that I really respect your baseball knowledge and enthsuiasm.

La’ Haim!

by mrod on Dec 22, 2008 10:19 PM PST reply actions  

Eh, my take on him as a player is the same as Blicks's

Namely, meh. Not that much of an upgrade, hope they don’t spend very much on him.

If we’re playing the douchebag card, I’d personally rather get Brian Giles, who is at least much better than Giambi at baseball at this point. If you’re selling out, might as well go all the way.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 23, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

If the A's are gonna sign douchebags

then they might as well sign Derek Lowe, too.!

by mrod on Dec 23, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Ironic that the concept of innocent until proven guilty

is meaningless to a law student.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Dec 27, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh come on - the guy LOOKS guilty!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

excuse me for my ignorance jaylikewise

but is there an A’s motivated reason you boo Coco Crisp?

by stranahanahan on Dec 23, 2008 12:51 AM PST reply actions  

dunno... just always found him chumpy... (like matt barnes)

a moderately quick moderate production hitter with dumb hair, who is seen as better than he is. plus his name is dumb. plus he a redsock. and that cleats-first slide that started the fight against tampa last year sealed it for me.

by jaylikewise on Dec 23, 2008 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't care so much about the steroids

It’s the flirting-with-the-Yankees-mid-ALDS and the Letterman soul-selling that keep me booing.

by green star oakland on Dec 23, 2008 1:42 AM PST reply actions  

I'm just not convinced

that Giambi is much of an upgrade over Barton, even in the short term.

by Josh Deletchi on Dec 23, 2008 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

That's crazy.

Here are the 2008 stats for Teixeira, Giambi and Barton:

                   AB R H 2B HR RBI BB K BA OBP SLG
Teixeira 574 102 177 41 33 121 97 93 .308 .410 .552
Giambi 458 68 113 19 32 96 76 111 .247 .373 .534
Barton 446 59 101 17 9 47 65 99 .226 .327 .348

I’d argue that Giambi is much closer to Teix than Barton.

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by Steve in Napa on Dec 24, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Josh D is factoring in defense

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 24, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't care about Giambi's roids, going to the Yankees, whatever soul selling he did

I just don’t think he’s going to warrant a sizable upgrade over Barton, or at least enough to warrant the contract.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Dec 23, 2008 8:27 AM PST reply actions  

mrod speaks truth

personally i think he confesed because he thought he was gonna get busted… and realized he wanted to save some face instead of holding to a story everyone knows is false (i’m looking at you, barry bonds) i doubt his confession was based on ethics. but thats in the past. bygones are bygones. we hated him for good reason, but its about trynig to contend against a potentially softer AL West.

i just hope he has a good hookup on some Tijuana Cialis

by jaylikewise on Dec 23, 2008 4:45 PM PST reply actions  

my only regret is that...

jaylikewise didn’t include a poll within his diary fAnpOst. He will learn with time that polls are the secret to AN’s heart. Had he done that, there is no doubt, I would have rec’d it. Oh, hell, I’m gonna rec it anyway. Merry Xmas, jaylikewise!

But, what was my point? Ummm…. I think it was that Giambi is Beane’s last, best (realistic) choice for a free-agent signing this year. So, do it Billy… or, I’ll sit at home and watch on TV.

Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...

by FoolshGame22 on Dec 24, 2008 1:28 AM PST reply actions  

yeah... i'm discovering as i go...

thanks for the info and the rec. merry x-mas to you as well. :)

by jaylikewise on Dec 24, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Why do you boo Mariano Rivera?

And put him in the same class as Barry Bonds?

by JLaff on Dec 24, 2008 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

Nice win, Tonys!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 25, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

That would've been more effective

if your username was “Bitch.”

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Dec 25, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL - that may be the only time, though,

that it would have been worth it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 25, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Entry! I agree as well!

Is that Embry warming up?....... NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

by iljackb on Dec 26, 2008 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

I don't want Jason Giambi at all.

Any offensive gain he provides is offset by how much worse he makes us defensively. I want Abreu, or I want nothing that’s out there.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Dec 27, 2008 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

You want Abreu instead of Giambi because

Any offensive gain (Giambi) provides is offset by how much worse he makes us defensively?

“Irony, party of one!”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Dec 27, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

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