Bobby Crosby on Outright Waivers
by Zonis on Dec 19, 2008 1:22 AM PST
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Sources told FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal that the A's have placed Bobby Crosby on outright waivers.
It probably won't amount to much. If Crosby is on waivers, then anyone can take his current contract, which has one year and $5.25 million left on it. However, it's doubtful that anyone will want him at that price. If he clears waivers, then he'd still be A's property and would continue to top the team's depth chart at shortstop.
Source: FOXSports.com
While Fox does not seem to think anyone will take Crosby and his salary, there are several teams that are looking for Shortstops out there. If they can get a free Shortstop for $5.25 million, they might just take it. Perhaps there are still teams that believe in Crosby's "Potential".
But another thing this tells me is that Crosby might not be the team's Top SS option. If the A's are determined to get rid of Crosby-if he does not get claimed, perhaps they can try get him to opt out himself by outrighting him to Triple A, hoping that he will opt out of his contract in favor of Free Agency.
I think this tells me that the team would be content with going with Cliff Pennington or Gregorio Petit as the team's starting Shortstop next year if a replacement is not acquired on the Free Agent or Trade Market (Jason Donald please!).
[UPDATE] Its past 1PM EST, and it does not look like Crosby was claimed off waivers.
[UPDATE] Its official, Crosby cleared waivers. So it looks like he will go into Spring Training as the Starting Shortstop if no one else is acquired. Well, here's to hoping he either learns how to hit in the off season, or goes 0-40 during Spring Training and lets someone else get the job.
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Even Zonis didn't vote yes.
No matter how little this means in substance it’s really awesome!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 1:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Crosby clears waivers ...
there is no way he opts out of his contract … period … he’d be lucky to get a third of that as a free agent.
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by devo on Dec 19, 2008 1:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wiki says they can't outright him without his consent, and if he withholds they still have to pay his contract
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_transactions#Waivers
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 1:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes
only because this has been a strange offseason.
And I just got back from the Metallica show at The Forum, so I’m not thinking terribly clearly.
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by Scottbass on Dec 19, 2008 1:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You saw Metallica?
I couldnt afford tickets and thus opted instead to get tickets to an AC/DC cover band, which I find when inebriated is just like watching the real thing.
by Amnesiac on Dec 19, 2008 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw AC/DC at the Oracle a couple weeks back...
They’re getting older, but I still enjoy them. Although they relied too heavily on their new album (5 songs?!?!). Reminds me of that one episode of “The Simpsons” in which Homer was seeing BTO live.
BTO: “We’re going to play some songs off our new album!”
Homer: "NO! Play ‘Takin’ Care of Business!’ "
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by franks a lot on Dec 19, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bon Scott isn't singing, it's AC/DC in name only
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
by Monday Fan on Dec 19, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Although,
and I agree with your assessment, Brian Johnson is a very nice man. He lives on one of the keys here.
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by Leopold Bloom on Dec 19, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't seen them in ten years
so I figured it was worth it. $100 for general admission on the floor.
Plus Machine Head was second on the bill. Two of my all time faves at one show, I couldn’t miss it. Except I did. I missed all of Machine Head’s set except for the last song, Davidian. All because my friend’s girlfriend was late, and he still had to pick up his tickets, and LA traffic was totally fucked.
But Metallica was worth it. 5 songs off Death Magnetic, nothing off Load, Reload, or St Anger. Although there was a riff from one song off Load that they played as a coda to Seek and Destroy.
They still bring it live.
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by Scottbass on Dec 19, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
was this a good idea?
id say right now hes our best in house ss option. yes i know thats like being the tallest midget. but i would say crosby is standing about 3’ 8" right now which is slightly above petit’s 3’ 7" and a half and penninton at an inch shorter.
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by travdog6 on Dec 19, 2008 1:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Crosby to the Dodgers.
Wait, what?
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by ChadGod on Dec 19, 2008 2:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification of "outright waivers"
outright waiver means what? correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought this process meant that any team would be free to claim the player and if the player goes unclaimed he returns to the posting team’s 40-man roster. This process will not remove Crosby from the 40-man – it doesn’t work like a DFA. There is nothing Crosby can refuse in this process is there?
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by athleticsBB4life on Dec 19, 2008 6:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I guess the team has the option to send him to the minors & Crosby can refuse?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_transactions#Waivers
I’m confused
If a player is claimed and the waiving team exercises its rescission option, the waiving team may not use the option again for that player in that season. If no team claims a player from waivers in three business days, the player has cleared waivers and may be assigned to a minor league team, traded, or released outright.
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by athleticsBB4life on Dec 19, 2008 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if the news report is confusing two different types of waivers
Crosby being on optional waivers makes sense to me. Outright waivers, not so much. If Crosby refuses an outright assignment, he effectively gets released at no benefit to the A’s.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 19, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except the benefit of no more Crosby
Which isn’t worth eating $5.25 mil for nothing in return.
by thejd44 on Dec 19, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could it be
The A’s are clearing money for a FA ss?
by Arcman on Dec 19, 2008 7:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Only if someone actually claims him.
More likely they’re sending him a message, saying “look no one thinks you’re worth your contract”. Now sit quietly on the bench and work on your baseball when and how we say.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think they're just taking a shot in the dark
Who knows, somebody might claim him. And that would be good. Might as well try.
by jdr on Dec 19, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they didn't need to before offering Furcal a deal
which free agent shortstop would they need to clear money for?
by scatterbrian on Dec 19, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It might not be that they NEED to clear money
but a question of how they choose to allocate the money they do have.
For example, if they think Orlando Cabrera is worth 1 win more than Crosby and will cost $8 million per year, then if they’re stuck with Crosby’s salary they’re probably better off using that money to upgrade a different position instead. But if they can get rid of Crosby’s salary, then that 1 win upgrade is costing only $3 million, which is a good deal for them.
(I don’t know if the numbers I’m using are right, nor do I really want Cabrera on the A’s).
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by andeux on Dec 19, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They could also only be clearing a space on the 25 man roster and maybe taking Crosby of the 40 also.
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by Eastbayjim on Dec 19, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting move...
I think what this means is that at the very least there will be open competition for starting SS… assuming they don’t acquire someone else.
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by brenarlo on Dec 19, 2008 7:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Should have happened a year ago...
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 7:14 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Why stop there?
Surely his birth is a good starting point?
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by Helloooo 1st on Dec 19, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on your religious beliefs,
you might even argue that’s a bit late.
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't need to be religion
Maybe some folks prefer the Chinese calendar.
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the......
team is necessarily happy about the option of going with Pennington or Petit. There have been reports that Lew wasn’t going to give as much budget room as originally thought. Assuming that’s true, If some other team claims Crosby, that’s what? Roughly 5.5M? That might give BB enough money to go out and sign someone like Randy Johnson. The way I see it, what you lost(which I don’t think is much) by replacing Crosby with one of Pettit/Pennington is more than made up by being able to add RJ or Adam Dunn(insert favorite FA choice here) to the roster.
I just don’t think BB has as much cash to work with as we all like to think. You can already see that the economy has affected the way teams are doing business this year. Why would it not affect the A’s as well? Throw in what’s going on with the new stadium; I could definitely see the team wanting to squeeze that budget down.
by AEP2007 on Dec 19, 2008 7:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You might be right...
but I don’t think the economy has anything to do with keeping Crosby around. When have the A’s ever had a $5 million bench player? It just doesn’t make sense to have a $5 million back up SS when your starters are earning league minimum. Even in a good economy.
I think if BB can save any of that money it’s good. Why? Because Petit and Pennington cannot be any worse than Crosby (God, I hope not!!!). So I do agree with you that any money that can be saved by getting rid of Crosby can go to a FA to improve the team overall. I just think it’s a good baseball move period… whether we’re in a good or bad economy.
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by brenarlo on Dec 19, 2008 7:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
$5 million back up
Sounds to me Beane has someone in mind and he just wants to rid the A’s of a 5 million back up.
by Arcman on Dec 19, 2008 7:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let's just hope some team
actually does claim him.
by AEP2007 on Dec 19, 2008 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course he wants to get rid of him... otherwise he wouldn't be on waivers....
But if he’s not claimed or no one takes his salary in a trade then we’re stuck with his $5 million salary.
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by brenarlo on Dec 19, 2008 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby could also have asked Beane to do this so he would be free to go to another team.
He knows he is going to be replaced and no one wants to go from starter to bench player, especially at his age.
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by Eastbayjim on Dec 19, 2008 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2 1/2 hrs
i doubt he gets claimed…just kotsay him and trade him paying most of his salary
meanwhile get hu or lillibridge
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 19, 2008 7:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
White Sox just got lillibridge...they won't trade him
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by athleticsBB4life on Dec 19, 2008 7:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What has Lillibridge done to make us think he's going to be better than Crosby?
Or Petit and Pennington for that matter?
Hu is interesting. I don’t know much about him.
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by brenarlo on Dec 19, 2008 7:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both Lillibridge and Hu should at least be better fielders than Petit and Pennington....and Crosby
None of the five can hit at all though.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually both Petit and Pennington are excellent fielders from what I have read.
It is the offense that needs work for them.
If Lillibridge and Hu were as good as people put them then they would both be starting now.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Dec 19, 2008 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lillibridge and Hu can't hit at all....that's why they're not starting.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
i’m just not excited at all about either of them. hu seems like more of an idea than something that i would really want, a young, slick-fielding shortstop that might be able to hit because he was shitty last year because of his vision. in real life, every time i’ve seen him, he hasn’t impressed me at all. apparently he wasn’t impressive, because torre went to nomar before him last year, and nomar has a fork protruding from his back.
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by flipgatey3 on Dec 19, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this isn't last year
sounds like you’re spouting the company line. how are we going to just “get” hu or lillibridge, when a) i, for one, and i know i’m not alone, think that neither of them can hit, and b) lillibridge got traded to the white sox in the vazquez deal? what are you suggesting we trade to the white sox to get him, after the swisher fleecing?
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Dec 19, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking about this a little bit, I find myself asking...
WTF is going on in the A’s Front Office?
If the A’s really wanted someone to pick up Crosby’s contract then wouldn’t it have made more sense to place him on waivers before the White Sox, Giants, Orioles, Cardinals and Dodgers all found themselves new shortstops?
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 7:59 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
they do weird things
that not all fans agree with
signing brown
interest in tomko
trading/signing haul of 5th starters
we’ll see where this leads
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 19, 2008 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a question of agree/disagree
There are fewer teams looking for a new SS today then there were 3 weeks ago.
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So they want everyone to pass on him?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Crosby clears waivers, can the A's sell him to a Japanese team?
I ask that only partially in jest.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Dec 19, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For One Million Dollars!
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-diary/2008/267206.html
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT'S a good story.
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by Leopold Bloom on Dec 19, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there are still teams looking for a ss
though crosby isnt an upgrade enough of what they already have
jays
reds
kc
tigers
twins
padres
orioles
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 19, 2008 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time to call in another favor from JP!
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by franks a lot on Dec 19, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a question:
With such great baseball personnel as Depodesta, Alderson and Fuson in San Diego…why are the Padres terrible?
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by Philip Christy on Dec 19, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't terrible
They were terrible last season. The season before, they lost a one-game playoff. The two prior seasons, they made it to the postseason.
If anything, you have to admire their Towers-era teams for generally being either playoff contenders or abysmal.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 19, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there are still teams look for ass?
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by alea iacta est on Dec 19, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they're still selling jeans!
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KC have Mike Aviles
Twins have Little Nicky Punto whom they just signed to $8.5M /2 contract.
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by rfloh on Dec 19, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Twins still are interested in SS, as are KC
Mike Aviles is a 2B miscast as a SS.
Little Nicky I think was signed more for a utility role. Even though that’s expensive for a utility guy. I still think that the Twins are interested in SS.
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by Blicks on Dec 19, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the twins
have stated that if they signed punto, it would be as the starting ss. if he’s the utility guy, i can’t see why they would spend upwards of 4 million a year for him.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Dec 19, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Twins pay Little Nicky $8.5M /2
to be a utility player? Especially since they already have Casilla at 2b. At SS, LNP’s offense is actually somewhat acceptable.
Aviles’ primary position in the minors was SS. And he appeared OK this season defensively. In any case, it would make far more sense for the Royals to keep Aviles at SS, and sign someone like say Grudzielanek to play 2b, than to play Aviles at 2b, and crap like Crosby at SS. If Crosby’s D going forward is similar to what it was last season, Crosby is miscast as a SS too.
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by rfloh on Dec 19, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers signed Adam Everrit... or however you spell his name
Padres don’t have the cash, Orioles signed Cesar Izturis to a 2 year deal.
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
everett
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Dec 19, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
anything for you grover
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Dec 19, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh... thanks?
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been asking myself that for several years, w/r/t many things ...
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What will happen to
Bobby Crobsy girl? Will she be ok?
Lets go A's
by Jackson_A on Dec 19, 2008 9:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a package deal...
she’s been outrighted too. Other SBN blogs could claim her…
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by franks a lot on Dec 19, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
She can claim him
if she’s willing to cover his salary.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Dec 19, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smart move!
As Crosby’s value is low he has a good chance of passing through waivers. If he attracts interest and Beane thinks he is currently the best available SS and worth paying, then Crosby can be pulled back using the rescission option. If he doesn’t attract interest, makes the team out of spring training and gets hot, then he can be traded at any point in the season to some other poor suffering team.
by pyrfan on Dec 19, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Outright waivers aren't revocable.
If someone claims him, he and his salary are outta here.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Dec 19, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt anyone will take Crosby, because the thinking of most baseball
minds,is. The Oakland A’s are THE team, most in need of a shortstop, and now they are waiving the starter, after trying so hard to get Furcal. Beane doesn’t waive players he wants.
by theblackpearl on Dec 19, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Dec 19, 2008 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, no, no, no...!!!!
Not that song!
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-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 19, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No... No...NO...
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by Blicks on Dec 19, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My eyes, they're burning!!!!!!!!!
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by Masaryk on Dec 19, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The goggles do nothing!
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Dec 19, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, you SUCK
It’s stuck in my head.
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-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 19, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Europe?
It’s a horrible thing.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Dec 19, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember back when
the BoSux outrighted Manny. No takers then. I doubt any takers on Crosby.
I’d be curious if they might be thinking Hannahhananhanahhan for SS, though I doubt it.
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
by closetasfan on Dec 19, 2008 10:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Beane's Prayer
It’s times like these we must turn to religion…
Our General Manager which art in the front office, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy trades be done in Oakland, as it is in MLB. Give us this shorstop escobar, our daily trade target. And forgive us our injured players, as we forgive our medical staff. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from bobby crosby: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the holy toledo, for ever. Amen.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 19, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you, it's the "Batter Roster"
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i still find that funny
keep plugging away at that
I have no solutions, just rejoindres
by alea iacta est on Dec 19, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you, me, LB, and JLaff
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Batter Roster... a by-product of rosterbation?
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
flip the word order, and you've got a qotm
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by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosterbation produces roster batter
Too cheeky.
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Dec 19, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What deadline?
Maybe I missed it, but I don’t see any posts except yours referring to this?
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Dec 19, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Deadline for teams to claim him was 1PM EST Friday
that has passed
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by Zonis on Dec 19, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Claims don't usually get announced right away though.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 19, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We can only hold onto that hope
Why do we hate BoCro so?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Dec 19, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 9 Lives of Bobby Crosby
First the Furcal Happening and now, outrighted. 7 more lives remain…panther.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Dec 19, 2008 10:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let's get to work
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 19, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again...
BB proves to be much wiser than I……..
For the life of me I cannot see the logic in….
The Crosby waiver, here within…..
If Crosby stays….
In the coming days…..
I hope Billy has the answer for the A’s….
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by Masaryk on Dec 19, 2008 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well guys..
I’m sure this will cheer you up.. Yatta!
"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."
by VORP is too nerdy on Dec 19, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
15 seconds of that was enough for me
I had to turn it off or risk turning my laptop into a steaming, sour-smelling short circuit by vomiting on the keyboard.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 19, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a problem with Green Leaves?
"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."
by VORP is too nerdy on Dec 19, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you look closely at the leaves, you can read the future of Bobby Crosby.
No, closer.
Closer…
There….. You see?
by LoneStranger on Dec 19, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't exist.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 19, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
watched both videos.
yatta, now that is entertainment. Heh, and before they went to Yalta, they went to Malta….oh, to muse so serendipitous over that.
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by ak_A on Dec 19, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My eyes, my eyes, they're burning!!!
Uggghhhhhh….
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 19, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jail
is where you should be after posting that link.
by Stew's Crew on Dec 19, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Crosby opens the season as the A's SS,
it’s going to be even more awkward than when Macha returned. “Yeah we tried hard to sign Furcal, then we placed you on waivers, so…um…go get ’em Bobbo!”
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Oakland A's
creating awkward moments to rival “The Office”.
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by Hit4TheCycle on Dec 19, 2008 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
an awful thought
What if Beane’s endgame with this move is simply to increase his leverage, and sign Crosby to a super-cheap extension?
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But Monkeyball, MLB Rules says that Beane can't sign Crosby for Minimum Wage, so it won't be cheap enough!
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by Zonis on Dec 19, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe a pay to play deal?
that’s what i call giving something back to the community
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by alea iacta est on Dec 19, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow... just... wow.
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate that
We have yet to see a good explanation for it, though.
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by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For everyone.
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn... didn't work
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The real reason they cancelled/moved Fan Fest?
Billy didn’t want to answer any more questions like this.
by LoneStranger on Dec 19, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that
and I remember thinking at the time: Bull Shit.
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by Zonis on Dec 19, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about moving Adrian Cardenas to shortstop?
by halflink123 on Dec 19, 2008 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He is a SS... but won't be for long.
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by brenarlo on Dec 19, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball America...
… loves Cardenas’ bat, but says he’s not a SS. Probably will stay at 2B, or move to 3B.
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 19, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Croz on Waivers
I’m not sure I understand this move by Beane.
If he wanted to offer up a “cheap” (1-year, $5.25M) solution to other teams looking for shortstops, he sould have outrighted Crosby BEFORE Renteria, Izturis, Punto, Furcal, and Everett signed. At this point, Detroit, Baltimore, Minnesota, LA, and the Giants (all teams who might have considered Croz as a short-term option) have made their SS acquisitions, and don’t need The Croz.
And… if he wants to deal Croz for anything (not likely), he’s basically torpedoed any value Crosby had (did he have any?) by placing him on waivers. Assuming no one claims him (highly likely), the only way we deal Crosby is if we pick up a chunk of his salary (and we’ll get nothing back in return, since we already indicated we don’t want anything back by placing him on waivers).
Anyway, I think that if Beane was going to do this, he should have done it long ago (before these other SS options signed). I don’t see the point of doing it now…
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 19, 2008 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I see....
… grover posted a similar message above. My thoughts exactly, grover.
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 19, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope those were the only thoughts I accidently shared
Some of the stuff in my head isn’t meant for the general public
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Billy, hasn't thrown Bobby's name in every sentence he has had with other
GM. Now that he has realized Bobby has no value,he waives him.
by theblackpearl on Dec 19, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still doesn't make sense...
… maybe he has offered Croz to every other GM in the league, and every other GM has rejected. If that’s the case, why would Beane think that anyone would claim him off waivers? They’d still have to assume his contract (the main problem with Crosby isn’t just his bat, it’s that he’s due to make $5.25M this year). So, all Beane has done is telegraphed to Crosby (again) how f*ing worthless he is. I think Crosby already knew that… so this move accomplishes nothing.
Maybe this is a prelude to an outright release… if another team picked up Croz after we released him, they’d at least have to pay him the league minimum (which is between $400K and $500K, I think). Maybe Beane figures he can save a half-mil, and spend that elsewhere…
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 19, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep thinking about that Urban question to Beane, and Beane's response
I just can’t figure out the logic of any of this.
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by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What was Urban's question to Beane?
You have a link?
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 19, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I asked Beane last week if he’d talked to Crosby, and he said, “No. Should I?”
I mean, of course, Beane isn’t going to tell Urban what he’s up to, but … it just struck me as an odd response.
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by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
There are a lot of ways to say “No” and this seems like a very odd way to do it. Kind of like saying, “Yes, I ran over a nun – was that wrong?”
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was she a real nun or a stripper in a nun's clothing?
Because one would be a bad habit to get into.
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope
it was a rhetorical question, and Beane isn’t really interested in Urban’s advice.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Dec 19, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously - he should do what the rest of us do
and only listen to Dr. Phil.
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Link please
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Beane did it just to lower Crosby's self-esteem
"I think people in this state like BOTH teams," proclaims Nick Aliotti, the Ducks' defensive coordinator. "Except for our hard-core fans, I don't think most Duck fans would have been terribly upset to see Oregon State going to the Rose Bowl."
Another reason he needs to go.
by diehardoaklandfan22 on Dec 20, 2008 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my explanation of why Beane did this may be the dumbest explanation, but it's also the only one so far that makes any sense
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by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean that Beane is trying to gain leverage on a long-term deal?
God help us if that’s true…
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 19, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see it as a response of sorts to last year
I vaguely remember towards the end of last year when Crosby was still sucking and he started losing playing time. Crosby complained about the lost playing time while they “tried out” others. There have also been reports of Crosby being stubborn about making adjustments with a “it’s worked in the past so why should I change” attitude. Based on these, Beane’s move(s) make some sense, albeit a bit unprofessional and/or incredibly harsh.
Basically what I see Beane doing is telling Crosby out in the open that no one else wants you so you damn well better get your ass in gear and figure it out because this is your last chance to prove to both him and everyone else that you belong in the majors, let alone deserve a starting job. If the reports of Crosby’s attitude are true, this may be the only way to get through to him.
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by DMOAS on Dec 19, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty good guess, actually.
A bit heavy-handed, perhaps, but certainly a good way to prove a point.
My own theory is that Beane and Forst figured they’d give it one last shot to see if anybody would just take him and pay the whole contract, just in case… before seriously discussing trades with other clubs where the A’s would pay half or more of his salary next year as part of the deal.
by still bills kingdom on Dec 19, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know players are put on and pulled back from one kind of waivers all the time,
and that fans only sometimes hear about it. This wasn’t one of those kinds of waivers, was it? I don’t think it was, but if so then it might just have been to assess the level of interest in him and who was interested.
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who wanted him could have had him for the waiver price and the A's could not
have pulled him back.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought -
basically the fact no one took him shoots down my theory that he and his entire salary was tradeable. Though I don’t know why one of the (few) teams with worse SS options wouldn’t pick him up on waivers. His salary isn’t that high for a starting position player.
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think, yeah, it reinforces or makes clear the point that none of the other
clubs want to pay him his current salary for what they expect out of him performance-wise.
Or perhaps it just indicates that anybody interested in adding Crosby to their team either can’t afford that big an addition to their payroll or believes that they can be opportunistic and bargain for some cash as part of a trade.
I could see the Padres, for example, being interested in Crosby as a stop-gap measure for 2009… but only if the price was right, and for them that would probably mean “only if the A’s paid most of his salary for the year.”
I could also see the Astros as a potential fit, maybe, as part of a Tejada deal- the A’s take on Tejada’s much larger salary, and the Astros get stuck with Crosby’s salary and also get a prospect or two (since they’d look really bad just getting Crosby back for Tejada in the eyes of their fanbase.)
Other folks that might see him as a “change of scenery” candidate might also have to make some other moves or get salary relief as part of a deal to make him fit in their payroll plans, or they might just feel like a “buy low” candidate isn’t somebody you want to pay $5MM for… and I wouldn’t blame them for feeling that way about it.
by still bills kingdom on Dec 19, 2008 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are still overrating him. There are no teams with worse SS options
Crosby is replacement level. It’s not hard to find a replacement level guy for the minimum. The ranked 36th last year in VORP/600 PA + UZR/150 G. He was 20+ runs worse than Nick Punto and 30+ runs worse than Orlando Cabrera in a year when he was mostly healthy.
I understand overrating him, because he was a hot prospect and looked pretty good in June 2005. Also he had a bunch of doubles. But he is genuinely literally someone who should not have a starting job. He should be a AAA player who replaces your real SS and his backup in an emergency — like Brooks Conrad or Donnie Murphy.
He has no value to anyone. Zero. Zilch.
I say this not out of frustration but after having crunched the numbers. He’s really as bad as people say when they’re frustrated, and much worse than people think when they’ve calmed down.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh... but is he bad enough to justify my vehement loathing?
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes 2...
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by grover on Dec 23, 2008 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually went through this fairly recently
And came away with 6 teams (or so) who would be better off with Crosby. I have no idea how many of them have since upgraded at the position.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Dec 20, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But would the six be better off with Crosby...
…at what Crosby would cost for them for the year?
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 20, 2008 5:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well apparently they don't think so
And they’re likely right.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Dec 20, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think putting him on waivers was "sending a message"
I think leaking the fact that he HAD been put on waivers was most definitely sending a message.
As always, I think the most logical evaluation of a move is at face value— the A’s felt that he was not worth his salary and that they ought to see if they could dump it, and were not successful at doing so.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 19, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But that doesn't explain the timing -- after other teams had already addressed their
SS needs.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a Siberian waivers option?
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Dec 19, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
or perhaps a SABEANarian option
heck, if crosby was only a couple years older, he would be a great back-up shortstop
"I think people in this state like BOTH teams," proclaims Nick Aliotti, the Ducks' defensive coordinator. "Except for our hard-core fans, I don't think most Duck fans would have been terribly upset to see Oregon State going to the Rose Bowl."
Another reason he needs to go.
by diehardoaklandfan22 on Dec 20, 2008 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I logged in at work just to vote.
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by ak_A on Dec 19, 2008 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is it bad if I saw the headline, threw my head back, and gave a big hearty laugh?
by danmerqury on Dec 19, 2008 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm officially diagnosing you as "human"
Which also happens to mean I’m less romantically interested in you than I could be.
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My thinking on the timing is that while the A's were negotiating
with FA shortstops, their leverage would have been lower had they been without a fallback in house. Would Furcal’s (or whoever’s) demands be more or less if the A’s had no SS, versus if the A’s could say “We’re prepared to go forward with Crosby”?
Now that there is no negotiation, the A’s are saying, “Actually, we’re not as blind as Crosby appears to be when tracking a low-and-away slider – anyone want to take $5.25million off of our hands? No? Dang.” And yes, $5.25million IS significant money to the A’s after all.
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought about that
Problem with that scenario is, if the A’s were really prepared to go with Crosby why would they be talking to the FA SS? It’s a weak bluff at best, transparent to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence.
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by grover on Dec 19, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I mean it's all relative
Having options of Crosby or P/P is stronger than having options only of P/P, so why put Crosby on waivers before instead of now? It’s just as transparent to say “We’re prepared to go with Crosby,” but Beane said that – so I’m assuming that “party line” had to do with the timing of this move.
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a plausible explanation...
… although as Grover says, seems pretty transparent.
Then again, much of the posturing that parties do in negotiations is transparent.
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 19, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very small sample size
But has anyone ever checked out Crosby’s numbers at Turner Field?
Send cash (?) and Crosby and an OF (Braves OFers combined for less 40 bombs last year) and get back…
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 19, 2008 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
a couple of fungo bats?
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by notsellingjeans on Dec 19, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal's oral commitment?
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in high school, I ...
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 19, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good as long as...
…the OF prospect that we send does not have a high ceiling and the cash amount that we send isn’t too awfully crippling.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 19, 2008 2:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was an early Christmas present
from my girlfriend but no takers as of yet. It’s not December 25th yet so I shouldn’t be snooping around trying to open presents early anyway.
Looking forward to Spring Training and the hope of another World Series title.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Dec 19, 2008 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Which brings up an interesting question:
How do you open “Crosby being waived”? Probably the same way you wrap it: It doesn’t matter as long as he’s gone!
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what will happen
No takers on all of the contract but my best guess is he will go to the royals while the A’s pick up 2/3 of his pay.
by Arcman on Dec 19, 2008 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reality
Regardless if Crosby is playing SS, sitting on the bench, playing AAA, or cutting the infield grass this team will not be competive this year. Odds are against Chavez of coming back healthy, Barton ( who I like as a player) has swing issues,. Ellis is on the downside of hitting; especially in this lineup. Holiday will provide some help but the adjustment time to the AL could be a factor along with teams pitching around him. I am hoping Sweeney and Kurt can continue with their progress. Cust is do for another 25HR and 4,000 strike out season.
If you look at the starting rotation a lot is based on hope and assumption. Can Duke stay healthy? Which Dallas Braden will show up? Is Gio a Major League pitcher or just a AAAA pitcher. After that we are now talking about Gallagher and Eveland. Thank god we have a strong bullpen, maybe even a top 5 in the MLB.
BB once said in a interview that when teams declare themselves in re-building mode that are bascially saying they will suck for the next 3-5 year, look at the Royals. This is year two of rebuilding. It is easier to sell hope to a fan base because it clouds the past, and it is more interesting. The example is trading for a high profile player that we will not resign and pretty much will rent for the year. You have to put butts in the seat somehow.
Unfortunantly BB has no more tricks in his bag and has run out of ideas to keep this team competive. I still believe he is the best GM in baseball but sooner or later you get knocked off the hill.
Did anyone else notice that a MLB player turned down more money to go with another team. This means Furcal did not think the A’s have a strong team now or in the next few years. Actually I was shocked.
Have a great X-mas
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by crd04us on Dec 19, 2008 4:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Boo to you for making sense.
:-(
{takes toys, leaves}
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When it came right down to it
I think Furcal simply wanted to be in LA and no other team would have done. He used the Braves & A’s as pawns to get the money/years he wanted out of LA. I don’t think it had anything to do with the A’s being competitive at all.
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by DMOAS on Dec 19, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree, no one except Furcal knows Furcal's reasons
Had he signed, the team would’ve been better. Nick Johnson on top of that would’ve made the team materially better than it was last year.
Then you throw in a healthy Chavez and Buck? That is in essence 5/9 of the lineup upgraded over last year.
by halflink123 on Dec 19, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will not be upset if something happens to Crosby before the season
Don’t wish any harm but maybe he can get the urge to rob a bank and get caught or something like that. He’s robbing the A’s blind with his salary so what’s another robbery on his resume.
Same for Hannahan, that guy has to be nothing more than a back up and that’s being kind.
Lets hope there are three of four more moves Billy can make. And for the record (IMO) Randy Johnson will not help this team except for his experience with the youngsters we have. I will say that in my opinion his ERA will be above 4.50 and that is not acceptable. I will eat my words at the end of the season if he signs and does have an ERA under that. Not going to happen.
And Yes, if he is on the team I want him to do well but him and the AL will not be a good mix. See Yankees stint for that.
by Trainman on Dec 19, 2008 4:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hate it when my SS has the urge to rob a bank
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he will be, if he's starting opening day for us.
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by ak_A on Dec 19, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rimshot!
As Bill King used to say when a ref made a brutally bad call in a Warriors game, “Highway robbery without a gun!”
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm at work all day,
without a chance to check out AN. I come home to find that Crosby was put on waivers…..and freaking cleared?
I can hardly wait for ST. I’m wondering if Beane will kick his carcass out of the dugout and onto the playing field.
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by alox on Dec 19, 2008 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"I'm at work all day, without a chance to check out AN"???
You need to change jobs.
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.
I’m telling you. I usually spend all day perusing the site. Occasionally the boss intrudes with some hackneyed demands. Screw him, the little Boston loving bitch.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Dec 19, 2008 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THE ANSWER IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!!!
Hanananahan at SS, duh!
that's gold jerry, gold!!!
by 9Custs on Dec 19, 2008 7:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
9Hannahans!!!!!111
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by Nico on Dec 19, 2008 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think if we move Hannahan to SS, he might hit 84 HR’s and drive in 200. Even if it takes 14 years to accomplish those figures.
by Trainman on Dec 19, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's some seriously bad clutch hitting.
Even Cust would have more than 200 RBI with 84 HR.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2008 A's RBI leader Cust?
I get tired of the “Cust can’t drive in runs” baloney. Especially when he finished with 18 more than DF “RBI machine” A.
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by nevermoor on Dec 20, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what pisses me off about Cust
Gotta love that whiffing 44 percent of the time with ducks on the pond.
Most players raise their BA with RISP but not this guy.
I respect the fact that many here like this guy and for his price, he is good value and while he will be better with better hitters around him, that is still a pathetic stat with RISP. I bet he saw a lot of breaking stuff. I am sure opposing teams pitched around to get to him.
by Trainman on Dec 20, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You realize that's almost completely random, right?
Unless you can explain to me why a player can crush the ball with runners on the corners (1.137 OPS) but can’t hit at all with the bases loaded (.724 OPS) I’m going to say they’re just meaningless small sample sizes.
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by nevermoor on Dec 20, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am thinking that his stats from the past year are because
1) The pitchers found all the holes and exploited them because he is a .261 with RISP then last year a .231 hitter.
Granted that part of it is that he had no one around him.
I do not like the career .200 with RISP and 2 outs. That is horrible.
I guess we will have to wait and see what he does this year with better hitters around him. He should be hitting his career average of .261 at least. There will be no excuse other than the fact of the pitchers exploiting his weakness which is either missing or watching breaking pitches find the zone.
I sure hope he works on this in the off season.
Yes, the OBP is great and the HR’s are great also but is it too much to hope for an improvement in other areas, only time will tell.
by Trainman on Dec 20, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's fucking luck.
So he rolled a 5 this year instead of an 8. That makes him a worse craps player? Give me a bloody break.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 20, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Call it luck or whatever
It sure aint luck when he has 378 AB’s on either a 2-2 or a full count and has 49 hits.
by Trainman on Dec 20, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just looked further
Might be a good idea if he swings early in count.
Look at the stats when he swings early and look when he is 2-2 and a full count.
Those are embarrassing to say the least.
His BA drops hundreds of points when he gets down in count. Might be less walks but I bet there would be a hell of a lot more hits.
by Trainman on Dec 20, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He rarely strikes out on 1-0 pitches
I’ve noticed that.
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by Nico on Dec 20, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever considered that's because if he puts the ball in play early in the count it's because he got the pitch he was looking for?
Or are we just cherry-picking split stats?
You do understand that adding up all the split stats gets a players… career line. Everyone is worse in some split stats and better in others. It fluctuates randomly year-to-year and evens out when they get enough at bats.
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by nevermoor on Dec 20, 2008 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line for me is
Find me another player with 378 AB’s (2-2 and 3-2 counts combined) who hits worse than Cust in that situation.
You put his career stats up there and I am pointing out how fucking pathetic he is in thses situations. This stat proves several things.
1) The pitchers know he a dead ducks, the more pitches he takes because he is a mistake hitter
2) He knows he cannot hit the breaking pitch to save his life
3) Let’s try and take a walk because there is no way I can get a hit unless the pitcher makes a mistake.
Like I said, If the game is on the line, I don’t want him at the plate. I’ll take most of the roster over him at the plate. That is my opinion. I know what I say is only going to cause a retort of how good you guys think he is.
He is a below average hitter who hits the ball out of the park and gets lots of walks. For his cost he’s fine. There is a reason he spent 10 years in the minors.
We all like the home runs etc etc.
I have watched video of hundreds of his at bats because I record all the games. There is usually a pitch to hit in every at bat that he looks at. I would like to see him more aggressive. I am sorry if you see otherwise. This is a message board and I am giving my opinion and that is I think the stats which are 4 two years and those stats I am cherry-picking, as you call it, are a large cherry-picking of his total at bats and they STINK.
by Trainman on Dec 20, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A few points
1: I love how you abandoned your initial point so quickly. I take it you agree with me that your bases loaded argument is silly
2: As to the find you another player challenge, without going past the BR comparables list I give you Gomes, Choi, and Thames. It is not at all unusual to find players hit worse with two strikes. It proves that when he’s at an extreme disadvantage the pitcher usually wins. Hell, Albert Pujols is a much worse hitter with two strikes than he normally is (although, of course, better than Cust).
As for your opinion, it depends. If it’s the bottom of the ninth and all you need is a single to win, you’re right that there are better options. If it’s the bottom of the ninth and you need a HR, there’s no one better suited on the team. Over the course of a season, there’s only one A who is likely to do more offensively to help the team.
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by nevermoor on Dec 20, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as #1 Goes
I worded it wrong. I meant to say whiffs 44 perecent of the time with RISP, not just bases loaded. I said “ducks on the pond” which I guess means loaded. I should have just said with RISP.
Yes, he is at an extreme disadvantage with 2 strikes as are most but his numbers in those 378 AB’s are really bad. I hope like hell they improve this coming season which I am sure they will because he will have better hitters around him and they sure as hell cannot be any worse.
Like I said, I love the HR’s as anyone would and the OBP is great, I just wish he would improve in this area and be a little more aggressive. It’s like the pitcher knows he can groove one early or start him off with a fastball because they know they can get him out with off speed anytime they want it appears.
by Trainman on Dec 21, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In a real lineup I'd bat Cust 2nd
See lots of pitches, take lots of walks, hit home runs, and give my leadoff hitter a chance to steal.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Dec 22, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
The high OBP and low BA make him a better #2 hitter than a 3-6 hitter, IMO.
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by Nico on Dec 22, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look beyond the BA
If a player is drawing an awful lot of BB on full counts, This is not going to help the BA at all. May it would be more wise to look at the OBP in this situation.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 21, 2008 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, that runner on second base is distracting!
And I wager that he’s not that used to it…
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by oblique on Dec 21, 2008 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
outright waivers to returning starter
i know crosby makes 5mill but that shouldnt stop them from handing him back the job…beane is creative enough to find a decent ss. if it takes pitching depth so be it
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 19, 2008 11:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be shocked if Crosby is still on the team on Opening Day.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 20, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. Seems like the writing is on the wall
Of course it seemed that way with Macha, too. The one way I could see Crosby staying is if someone like Duchscherer or Chavez reports a setback, or someone like Cust or Sweeney dives into a shallow pool before the A’s can find a replacement. Then you go ahead and forget 2009 for sure, and that might lead you to let Crosby play out his contract.
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by Nico on Dec 20, 2008 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If that happens
then you simply throw him on the bench and truly give someone like Pennington or Petit the shot. Since winning doesn’t matter, why waste the opportunity to see what they can do.
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by DMOAS on Dec 20, 2008 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or cut him outright and let the loser of Pennington/Petit back up the winner
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 20, 2008 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I wonder about is optioning him to AAA
My understanding is that Crosby either accepts the assignment, or he forfeits his $5.25million to become a free agent. Seems like either scenario is just ducky for Oakland.
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by Nico on Dec 20, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wiki says he still gets his salary from the A's because of him 5 years of major league service
He can consent to being sent to the minors and get his salary or he can withhold consent, in which case the team has to put him on the major league roster or release him. In either case they have to pay his $5.25M salary. If some other team signs him after his release they only pay the pro-rata share of the league minimum.
I think Ginter didn’t have 5 years of major league services so he had to accept the minor league assignment to collect his salary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_transactions#Waivers
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 21, 2008 1:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sell him to a Japan team
Like the Rays did with Dan Johnson
that's gold jerry, gold!!!
by 9Custs on Dec 20, 2008 7:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
For One Million Dollars!
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 20, 2008 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean...one HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS!!
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by oblique on Dec 21, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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