Furcal (reportedly) Signs With Dodgers
by guapobob on Dec 17, 2008 3:08 PM PST
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{Editor's Note: I was going to promote this to the front page, but I have decided against it on the basis of not feeding this "attention who*e" any more.} -Nico
Ken Rosenthal is now reporting that Furcal has signed with the Dodgers. I was going to post this in the post indicating that Furcal had chosen the Braves, but there are 380 comments there already! Others on this site have wondered if Furcal was playing off the A's to get an offer from the Braves, but now you have to wonder if the Braves were used to extract an offer from the Dodgers. If so, well done Mssrs. Furcal and Kinzer. I find it entertaining, and am not upset at not getting Furcal since I, also, worried about the combination of Furcal's shaky medical history and the A's well chronicled (here anyways) bad karma with injured players.
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It's probably done, but...
The Dodgers and Furcal were still hammering out an agreement Wednesday afternoon, sources said, but the Braves had been informed that Furcal would not accept their deal.
Given the BS Kinzer has been spewing for weeks, I’ll believe it when I see it.
by Danny on Dec 17, 2008 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
I should have title my post “Furcal now leaning towards Dodgers, waiting to see which other team(s) he can draw into negotiations.”
by guapobob on Dec 17, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I won't believe it
until opening day. And even then I will only believe it if he is actually in the lineup.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Dec 17, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Furcal is really an evil comic genius
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 3:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wish he'd sign with someone already
I’m sick of this attention whore.
"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08
by doctorK on Dec 17, 2008 3:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Dec 17, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good riddance
I hope Furcal drops off the face of baseball, or we will see this chit happening with other players.
by HuskerFan on Dec 17, 2008 3:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and in tomorrow's news
furcal signs with mystery team: Mariners
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Dec 17, 2008 3:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
(yawn)
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
by brenarlo on Dec 17, 2008 3:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So, we play the Dodgers in interleague -- but only in ElLay?
That’s too bad.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Dec 17, 2008 3:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible
to sign 3 different contracts as a player?
Sporting news services, espn, fox, etc, need to be a little more careful in there reporting. This Furcal thing is ridiculous. Every day he has “signed” with different team. They all want to be FIRST to report, but don’t care if its accurate.
He signs, its definitive, no wait he didn’t, now he did with another team, no wait he didn’t.
A’s got played.
Who needs homeruns?
by robber23 on Dec 17, 2008 3:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he'll sign with the A's
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Dec 17, 2008 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They were the mystery team all along!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL at Braves
At least Beane didn’t get played as badly as Frank Wren:
"According to Wren, this is how the situation played out:
* Wren reached agreement on the terms of a contract with Furcal’s agent, Paul Kinzer, on Monday night, pending the approval of Furcal.
* Between 8 p.m. and 10 p.m. ET Monday night, Wren spoke with Kinzer three or four times, negotiating the dollar amount, the years and terms of the vesting option, and other contractual details.
* Wren and Kinzer spoke again around midnight Monday night, when Kinzer told Wren that he had not yet heard back from Furcal, but that Furcal was excited and that “we’re good.”
* On Tuesday morning, Wren got a voicemail from Kinzer telling him to put a term sheet (baseball lingo for an official contract offer) together.
* Wren went into his office in Atlanta, put the term sheet together and signed it.
* Shortly thereafter, Kinzer began “backpedaling,” saying he promised the Dodgers he would talk to them."
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 17, 2008 3:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's not being played. That's Kinzer being a total douchecanoe.
by mikev on Dec 17, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
if you agree to an offer, you’ve agreed to it. if you have another offer, say so.
"Sometimes Joe (morgan) doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions."- billy beane
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by harendaman365 on Dec 17, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinzer is a douche
he is a douche BECAUSE he played Beane and Wren and negotiated with them in bad faith.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 17, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He sure is
Not unhappy that Furcal is not an A just think that if what Wren says is correct then Kinzer has no integrity along with something else I will not elaborate on.
by Trainman on Dec 17, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure there was bad faith with the A's
but sure looks like it with the Braves
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's up to personal opinion
If it was bad faith with the A’s. Most likely he never was going to sign with the A’s. But told the A’s he might, just to drive up his price with other teams. Is this the right thing to do, ehh probably not. But this happens all the time.
On the other hand with the Braves, to agree to a deal verbally and then back out. Bad faith and classless. Reminds me of Jermaine Dye when he signed with the White Sox. He agreed verbally like Furcal, but before signing he got a much bigger offer elsewhere. But he told the other team. Sorry I’m a man of my word and signed for a lot less with the White Sox. That is class and doing the right thing.
by The Golden One on Dec 17, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Same happened with sale of A's...
Schott got offered more money than Wolff by Reggie Jackson’s group but turned ’em down b/c he already had a deal with Wolff.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 17, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also Jackson's group may or may not have moved the team and may or may
not have gotten approval from the other owners.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal is an ass im sorry
He is now the Carlos Boozer of baseball
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/rafael-furcal-4.html#comments
Just have some class, fine if you want to give the dodgers a last chance. Tell the Braves that first. Don’t say we have a deal and then backtrack. There is no way Kinser told the Braves “we’re good” without Furcal agreeing also.
by The Golden One on Dec 17, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
first link in the main post
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 17, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal/Kinzer sound like the boyfriend who got dumped
and tries to slither his way back into the girlfriend’s (read: Dodgers) heart. Since the Dodgers weren’t willing to give Furcal what he wanted at the start of Free Agency, it seems that he’s tried everything he possibly could to get back into the good graces of the Dodgers, no matter what the cost to other teams. I don’t blame him for turning down our 4/36 offer, but once we guaranteed 4/40, he proved he was never really interesting in signing with us (unless, of course, we gave him such a great offer he just couldn’t refuse, and that would have been a serious overpay).
I guess this is a business, and kudos to the guy for getting what he wanted. But it just figures that the first time we foray into the FA market big time, we get hosed.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
according to Slusser the A's top offer was 4 yrs/$38 million total
that’s not really much more than the Braves (and presumably, the Dodgers) have offered — assuming his fourth year vests. Since Furcal clearly wanted to be with one of the two teams for whom he’s played the A’s would have had to offer much more than the others….but actually, I’m glad they didn’t. I too am wary of the health issue.
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal & Kinzer
The Spencer & Heidi of the MLB
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by Masaryk on Dec 17, 2008 4:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So does Kinzer make Furcal take too many shots of Patron before talking him into signing with the Dodgers,
or the other way around?
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by pam5981 on Dec 17, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its bad that I know who Spencer & Heidi are,
I feel dirty.
This party's over
by lynnzgal on Dec 17, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i hung out with them in vegas last year on Heidi's bday.
Heidi is nice enough- though dumb. Spencer is exactly how he seems- huge dbag.
Most hilarious person in the group: Perez Hilton
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Dec 17, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dodger board think the A's lied to Furcal
by Trainman on Dec 17, 2008 4:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
People on the ESPN boards are generally idiots.
by mikev on Dec 17, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just replied to them so I guess I am an idiot as well?
by Trainman on Dec 17, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL @ Retard Dodger Fans
The “high” “lie” numbers being reported in the media about the A’s supposed “40 mil” contract offer were leaked by Kinzer in an effort to get the Braves and Dodgers to up their bids.
That’s like saying the Blue Jays lied about being one of the bidders for Furcal, when in reality Kinzer blatantly lied to the media that they had made an offer and JP had to come back and set the record straight that Kinzer was full of shite.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 17, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL @ Retard Dodger Fans
The “high” “lie” numbers being reported in the media about the A’s supposed “40 mil” contract offer were leaked by Kinzer in an effort to get the Braves and Dodgers to up their bids.
That’s like saying the Blue Jays lied about being one of the bidders for Furcal, when in reality Kinzer blatantly lied to the media that they had made an offer and JP had to come back and set the record straight that Kinzer was full of shite.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 17, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
directly contradicted by Slusser's explanation today
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 17, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with the "A's would have had to overpay to get him" argument
Yes, the A’s would have had to pay more than the other teams, but:
1. The A’s current SS sucks
2. There were/are no other good upgrade options for the A’s at SS
3. The one thing the A’s were/are relatively flush with was/is cash
4. The marginal increase from “market value” (which seems to me to have been suspiciously consistent across all bidding teams) to “what it would have taken to get him to sign with Oakland” is likely far outweighed by the not-signing-Furcal marginal cost of upgrading from Crosby level to Furcal level
Just because the market sets a level doesn’t necessarily mean (a) it’s rational, or (b) it’s an absolute that can’t be vitiated due to circumstances not accounted for by the market.
And I say all of this as someone who wasn’t at all convinced of Furcal’s value (or health) to begin with.
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 17, 2008 4:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree that they shouldn't have offered an overpay to him
mainly because of his health risk. But I do believe that they would have had to overpay to get him to sign, since he clearly wanted to go to one of the teams he had already played for.
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, monkeyball just gave an argument for why they SHOULD have overpaid for him
One with which I heartily agree, BTW. It’s just dumb to trade for a short-term rental and then afterward get cold feet when you’re trying to sign the one free agent who could actually turn that short-term rental into something useful.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, I was playing semantic games
I agree that the A’s should have offered more than they did—enough to actually sign him—but that that wouldn’t necessarily have constituted “overpaying.”
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 17, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think that when I say overpay
i mean paying more than fair market value. that is not to say that they A’s SHOULDN’T have done it. In fact, now that they didn’t pay for Furcal, the Holliday trade is sort of negated, at least until/if we sign some other beneficial FA’s. I agree that at such a marginal increase in payroll, we should have done it, even if it was more than market value.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I was responding since his title didn't seem to fit
his argument. I think it’s pretty common that a team may have to overpay to have a real shot at getting a free agent who has a clear preference for somewhere else. I don’t believe the A’s offers represent a real “overpay”, compared to what the Braves (and now, the Dodgers) offered.
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
Christ, the A’s offers were so lowball, they should have sent the paperwork over by bicycle.
[hoping a few poker players get that joke]
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got it PT
So now…………show me your 2-4 off suit you {bleeping snowflake
by mrod on Dec 17, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your nut low is good sir
only in Omaha, not in contract talks.
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by adragon on Dec 18, 2008 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not going to respond to my paranoid parenthetic, eh?
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 17, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, it's not outside the realm of possibility, but my "suspicious behavior" detector is not beeping loudly
the way it was for, say, Bonds.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
…so Holliday will not be useful unless we blow $10+ million on a malcontent and flakey SS?
How about the idea of spending the same cash on someone else who can possibly improve the team at a different possition and give up on the idea of landing a SS: just let BoCro play it out and try to keep his career from ending after next season…ride out any improvement due to the fire sure to be lighting under Crosby’s ass. If he turns in an average season, great. If not, well, it was to be expected. At this point anything the team tries to do with BoCro is going to be like munching on the shit sandwich of a dead-money contract; sunk costs are a bitch but it doesn’t necessarily have to be sunk if Bobby performs at replacement level for a change.
Besides, the Athletics can improve elsewhere and in ways that most are not talking about (perhaps even at SP). The fragile Ben Sheets seems like a natural in the Green and Gold, does he not?
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 17, 2008 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Replacement level performance is, by definition, worthless
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by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Losing $5.25 million...
…by essentially eating Crosby’s contract has to be factored in to the 2009 team’s salary. So, signing a FA SS is like tacking on 5+ million to the FA SS’s 09 salary. Unless, of course, you want Crosby to ride the pine for 2009 because that will block someone from developing. And you know that no one will trade for him without them wanting the Athletics to eat some of that contract.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 17, 2008 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't agree -
I think the A’s could move Crosby and his entire salary if they didn’t ask much, prospect-wise, in return. There’s always a team looking for a SS whose internal option is worse than Crosby, and Crosby could improve – if only a bit – with a change of scenery.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Toronto
(yes I think Crosby is a better SS option than Scutaro). Or Pittsburgh, IIRC. Washington? Honestly, with all the SS musical chairs I’ve lost track this off-season.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wsh. has Christian Guzman....
Ricciardi may have interest…he was part of the crew that drafted him
Crosby + cash to Toronto for Justin Jackson
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Dec 17, 2008 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather do Crosby and no cash
to Toronto for Janet Jackson.
Basically one boob for another, huh?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or
Josuah Jackson – FRINGE prospect
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Dec 17, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Janet's boob
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me see if I have this straight
Paul basicaly affirms that the guy (Crosby) is only replacement level and nothing more. You, by not disagreeing with Paul, have some sympathy for that line of thinking. Furthermore, you assume that there might be a trade market for the replacement-level Crosby at $5.25 million in 2009 and not only does this hypothetical team the Athletics trade with take on that entire Crosby contract, they also give up a player? This does not make any sense to me…either that or many of us here on AN are irrationally sour on Crosby and will write crap just so we can vent, in an over-the-top manner, our disappointment with the guy.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 17, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Crosby is a poor player, but by
the relatively low standards of “current shortstops” he is closer to average. For a team without even an average SS, he’s an upgrade, and for a team with a decent payroll, he’s not very expensive. So he sucks – but someone still might improve their team by adding him!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like you just helped make my case in having this team...
…keep Crosby for the year and pay him. Then use the money that they offered to Flake-cal and pay for something/someone else. Re-read the chapter “Giambi’s Hole” from Moneyball.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 17, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing how the most vocal Crosby critics keep overrating him
He is not closer to average by the relatively low standards of current SS. He is at the bottom - say #28#48 — on a list of best SS. He should not have a job unless MLB expands to include all AAA teams.
He’s about 20-25 runs worse than an average SS like 2008 Christian Guzman. That’s similar to the relationship between 2008 Daric Barton and 2008 Prince Fielder. Bad Bad Bad.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe "average" is too generous
But Crosby’s also not among the worst – not as long as guys like Izturis, Punto, Pena Jr. and Wilson are hitting, and Peralta and Lopez are fielding (or trying to). I’d rate Crosby, overall, as around #20-#22, about halfway between “the median” and “the worst”.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then his #36 Rank last year was an outlier?
2008 SS VORP/600 PA + UZR/150 G:
1. Hanley Ramirez — 67.7
2. Jimmy Rollins — 54.0
3. JJ Hardy — 50.1
4. Mike Aviles — 49.2
5. Jose Reyes — 47.7
6. Christian Guzman — 31.7
7. Yunel Escobar — 30.8
8. Derek Jeter — 30.2
9. Jhonny Peralta — 30.0 (33.9 VORP/600, minus 3.9 UZR/150)
10. Orlando Cabrera — 29.0
11. Stephen Drew — 25.9
12. Ryan Theriot — 24.9
13. Rafael Furcal — 23.1
14. Miguel Tejada — 22.8
15. Michael Young — 19.3
16. Nick Punto — 18.3 (13.4 VORP, +4.9 UZR)
17. Marco Scutaro — 16.3
18. Erick Aybar — 16.1
19. Jason Bartlett — 15.1
20. Cesar Izturis — 12.7
21. Jed Lowrie — 12.2
22. Ramon Santiago — 11.5
23. Maicer Izturis — 10.7
24. Edgar Renteria — 10.5
25. Jack Wilson — 10.1 (2.7 VORP, +7.4 UZR)
26. Nomar Garciaparra — 8.7
27. Brendan Harris — 6.5
28. Julio Lugo — 5.3
29. Troy Tulowitzki — 5.1
30. Luis Rodriguez — 2.6
31. Emmanuel Burris — 2.2
32. David Eckstein — 1.4
33. Alex Cora — 0.2
34. Adam Everett — 0.1
35. Brendan Ryan — (1.3)
36. Bobby Crosby — (1.8) (-1.8 VORP/600, 0 UZR)
37. Yuniesky Betancourt — (2.6)
38. Eric Bruntlett — (4.4)
39. Alex Cintron — (4.6)
40. Angel Berroa — (6.3)
He wasn’t as bad as Tony Pena — 20.6 runs below replacement! But he was worse than the others you listed, including both Izturis’s. Who’s Lopez? Felipe? He’s mostly a 2B now.
For players with fewer than 600 PA or 150 G at SS, I used their raw totals, assuming that they’d be replaced by a replacement level person for the rest of the time.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot to mention that replacement level is relative to position
since you give them a bonus 22.5 runs for position over the average hitter in MLB. Therefore, since BoCro is replacement level STILL, he pretty much sucks, unless you think that other teams are fielding below replacement level SS.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 18, 2008 7:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure but they're all SS
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VORP kinda sucks though, it's a bit outdated
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 18, 2008 7:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But easy to find and everyone knows it
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't even including Nick Punto's yeoman work at 2B and 3B
where he was another 2.5 runs above average.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
better than below replacement level?
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think PT literally means worthless, dollar wise.
Paying money beyond league minimum for a replacement level player is wasting money.
by mikev on Dec 17, 2008 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya
that is very true unless the most unlikeliest of events occur, and you’re team options are below replacement level. i guess thats why omar vizquel was created.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just as well we didn't sign him.
We’re not there yet. Holliday’s good, and all the potential 1Bs like Dunn and Giambi would certainly be an improvement over Barton’s performance last year, but honestly I think it takes more than those two + Furcal to turn us into real contenders. We have a lot of good pitchers in our farm system, but they’re not there yet. Trying to take last year’s 76-win team to the playoffs when the Angels are looking to throw huge amounts of money at Teixeira or Manny just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
by Nate on Dec 17, 2008 4:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So... you were livid and outraged by the Holliday trade, then, right?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think he will be if the A's extend Holliday
i.e., throw huge amounts of money at him
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 17, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just trying to figure out what his understanding of the point of the Holliday trade was
I understood the move, though I didn’t agree with it, because my analysis showed that the A’s and Angels were not actually very far apart talent-wise, and it plus a few other moves (like, oh, say, signing the one actual good shortstop on the market…) would potentially make the A’s the favorites in the division.
But his statements imply that he thinks the team isn’t anywhere near that good, which begs the question: if you think your team sucks, why are you not apoplectic over it squandering resources on a hopeless rental?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think adding Holliday and Furcal, plus a healthy Chavez
would have given the A’s a very good chance at the division. (Assuming, of course that the youngsters don’t regress and some even improve.)
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good heifeweizen
who the heck, out of our rookies, could regress that much? I guess maybe some of the relievers, but it’s not like most of our rookies set the bar THAT high.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL @ Braves, PT. 2
Their fans are livid on their msg board:
http://www.talkingchop.com/2008/12/17/696121/played-like-a-fookey#comments
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 17, 2008 4:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Here. Pass these around -- there's enough for everybody.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Dec 17, 2008 4:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The karma gods are angry
Anyone want to makes bet on his back is going to go out. I am hoping on the steroid test getting flunked. Now that would be funny.
by Arcman on Dec 17, 2008 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In short, to hell with Rafael Furcal and his agent.
Dishonest, slimy bastards.
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by Flashfire on Dec 17, 2008 4:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kinzer is going to be awfully warm for a lot of his future
I hope he’s blackballed by teams from now on.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 4:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He is on Beane's list
You know Beane doesn’t trust him and other GMs are saying the same thing.
by Arcman on Dec 17, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you think the pressure’s coming from? Kinzer Soze — or whatever you want to call him — knows where I am right now. He’s got the front burner under your ass to let me go so he can scoop me up ten minutes later. Immunity was just to deal with you assholes.
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 17, 2008 5:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And like that... he is gone.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Dec 17, 2008 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 17, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Full Quote
“Who is Kinzer Soze? He is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Wren tell it, anybody could have worked for Soze. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist. And like that, poof. He’s gone.”
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 17, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You got the cripple in there from Los Angeles, right?
facepalm.jpg
by Zonis on Dec 17, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL!!!!
Such a fitting quote for this situation
by El Cerrito Steve on Dec 17, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you
This guy is protected from up on high by the Prince of Darkness.
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 18, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is we'll never hear from him again.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Dec 18, 2008 7:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I shall begin refering to him...
…as Rafael Flake-cal fom this point forward.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 17, 2008 5:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's more clever than mine:
Classless-lying-piece-of-damaged-goods-crap.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i prefer just
ehhhh….
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Dec 17, 2008 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you, a Japanese baseball announcer?
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Dec 17, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hai! So desu!
Boku wa Shimada desu!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was the sound
of being very nonplussed by furcal, now
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Dec 18, 2008 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
the deal with the Dodgers is reportedly
3 years guaranteed at $11 million per year, with an optional fourth year at $13 million that could become guaranteed based on performance (or a $3 million buyout). So Furcal gets $36 million guaranteed, and perhaps as much as $46 million.
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 5:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Furcal gets $7.5 million next season, $9.5 million in 2010 and $13 million in 2011. The deal includes a $13 million team option for 2012 with a $3 million buyout, and the option could become guaranteed depending on his performance.
That’s $33 million guaranteed, with the possibility of $43 million.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Dec 17, 2008 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Si was right.
Three years at 11 = 33 + 3 buyout = 36
Three years at 11 + one year at 13 = 46
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Dec 17, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's internally consistent
but doesn’t agree with what the article she links to says. The “33 million/3 years” in the first paragraph already includes the 3 million buyout.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Dec 17, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here's the paragraph
Furcal gets $7.5 million next season, $9.5 million in 2010 and $13 million in 2011. The deal includes a $13 million team option for 2012 with a $3 million buyout, and the option could become guaranteed depending on his performance. The 31-year-old switch-hitter, coming off a $39 million, three-year deal with the Dodgers, played for the Braves from 2000-05.
Andeux is right. The deal — if the numbers are correct — add up to $30 guaranteed for three years, plus a guaranteed $3 million buyout if the fourth year doesn’t vest. So Furcal gets a minimum of $33 million or a maximum of $43 million.
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, well then
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Dec 17, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the A's should make a serious play for Hu now
With Furcal under contract for at least three years and DeJesus in AA, Hu should be fully expendable and he’s major league ready. Is he good? Don’t know – don’t know about Brignac, Lillibridge…So roll the dice with Hu, I say.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Screw Hu. Go after DeJesus.
Furcal’s signed for the next 3-4 years, or through 2011.
DeJesus is slated to come up in 2010. I think DeJesus now becomes very expendable.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming the Dodgers are more open to moving Hu than DeJesus,
but if I’m wrong about that yes, by all means get DeJesus.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember, the Dodgers GM is Ned Colletti
Last July: So, we have Russell Martin. So, we’re going to basically sell Carlos Santana, a really good catching prospect, for a few MM in savings on 1/2 year of Casey Blake.
If they did it with Santana, who is a better prospect than DeJesus IMO, he’ll do it with DeJesus. Time to fleece the Dodgers.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in favor of this. And not just because I'm curious what a hairless Dodger looks like.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Duke for DeJesus.
Yes/no?
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if you're trying to contend in 2009
Yes if you’re trying to build for 2010-13 and are willing to punt 2009, and Holliday’s time here, to do so.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm ready to punt 2009. Holliday by himself does not make a contender.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then it's Duke for DeJesus
and Holliday for two good Rays’ prospects!
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad they traded Jackson for Joyce.
I want Mike Pelfrey from the Mets. Can I has him?
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, if I am reading this comment correctly
it appears to be implying that you think Edwin Jackson has actual value as a player.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well....he is 25 years old still...
but ya, thats about it.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No. He doesn't.
I was implying that the Rays didn’t have a RF hole anymore because they have Matt Joyce, who is a plus defender.
And, its beyond stupid to trade prospects to get Holliday as your DH. Holliday has defensive value, you do NOT overpay to DH him.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right
Eh, I don’t think the A’s and Rays match up well at all anyway, especially if we’re stipulating that the A’s already filled their SS hole with DeJesus. The Tampa system is even more pitching-heavy than Oakland’s.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Dodgers lose Manny, they could be a Holliday fit
Duke and Holliday for DeJesus and __ ?
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It crossed my mind, as did Loney
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I'd definitely rather have Kemp if he's getable
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
Kemp’s been insanely lucky the last few seasons. I see major, major regression in his future.
I think the A’s can do better than DeJesus/Kemp for those two.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine with me. I doubt the Dodgers and Rays cooperate, but sure.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"So, we’re going to basically sell Carlos Santana"
The guy is literally one of the most brilliant guitar players to ever grace the world…..and they want to trade him?…………what in tarnation is the world coming to?
by mrod on Dec 17, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Given some of Ned Colletti's moves,
I wouldn’t be surprised if we could swing a midseason deal for DeJesus by trading Dana Eveland, if he gets off to a good start.
by Josh Deletchi on Dec 18, 2008 7:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his value is completely tied to his defense, currently
do you have that much faith in the accuracy of our defense metric systems to think he’ll be much of an upgrade over Crosby at this point? I mean, he might be some of an upgrade, but I don’t think it’s gonna be a whole lot. My guess is that Crosby and Hu will probably both wOBA .300. and Hu will be worth a handful more of runs at SS than Crosby will.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hu's offensive potential is difficult to gauge
He’s been pretty “all over the place” in the last couple years. He certainly doesn’t walk much, but whether he’s a .220 hitter or a .320 hitter? Heck if I know.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can't see straight
Do you trust the A’s medical staff to fix that?
(Hint: I don’t.)
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hu can't see straight?
(Hint: Hu don’t)
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Dec 17, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure - the A's medical staff will fix Hu's vision
by amputating his right leg.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby Jr
I been saying for a year that Crosby can’t see spo why get another blind SS. Crosby cant hit anything but a fastball.
by Arcman on Dec 17, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because a shortstop who is blind
is still an upgrade over a shortstop who is blind and dumb.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but if he was the best defender in the minors in 2007, I can live with Crosby offense from
the SS position on a groundballing and lefty heavy staff.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and you know that
nobody fucks with DeJesus.
by jahs34 on Dec 18, 2008 3:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
only if we trade Ellis and get this guy and convert him to 2B …
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 18, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Liam and me?
We gonna fuck you up.
by danmerqury on Dec 18, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark for Monta!
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 18, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal is a flake and a scumbag.
As is Kinzer. Either stick to your goddamn guns or STFU.
OK, so the Dodgers’ offer is more money ONLY IF he gets that option picked up. IF IF IF. It’s not even a vesting option.
So, this was all about playing the A’s and Braves to get an offer from the Dodgers. The A’s still gave the most guaranteed money (which is huge for an injury prone player).
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 5:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention, only the A's gave Flakeall
the 4 guaranteed years he said WAS KEY FOR HIM in any negotiation.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I understand its a business, but playing off not one, but two teams is ridiculous.
Especially when one of the two teams you played was the highest bidder.
And the strategy did work for Kinzer/Flakeall, as he got the Dodgers to up their offer by a good large amount.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the A's best final offer was only $2 million more guaranteed
the minimum Furcal gets is $36 million. That’s not enough of a difference to convince a player to go somewhere other than where he wants to be.
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But this new 36MM offer didn't emerge until AFTER Furcal declined the A's offer.
This is a brand new offer. Initially, the Dodgers offer had been 2/25, and an option for a 3rd year.
Huge difference b/w 25MM and 38MM. Huge, huge difference.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure but the Braves topped the $38M including the vesting option
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they did.
And Furcal didn’t take that offer.
I’m not bitter about him not signing with the A’s. I’m just ticked that he played off pretty much everyone but the Dodgers.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone but the Dodgers, so far.....
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch him actually sign with the Nationals,
for the 8 years and $160 million they had earmarked for Teixeira.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not really, the Dodger's first offer
— which they offered long before the A’s offered their first offer — was for two years. The A’s offers were both for four years, but for less money per year in each case.
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to accept that BoCro may be our best option at this point
Truth is, he’s been pretty steady over the past few years (when he’s played, of course), so he’s easy to project what kind of value we’re going to get out of him (replacement level value). The only good thing I can offer about him next year is that his HR’s are likely to take a slight tick upwards (think 12-15ish, rather than the measly 7 he hit this year).
To me, it seems like most of the other options are either too expensive, or not MLB ready yet. Unless, of course, we can fleece someone, but I’m not gonna count on it.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't give up man! It's not worth it!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Well, to me, 2009 SS options come down to Cabrera (and I know no one likes that bc of money and the draft pick), Tejada (similar win upgrade as Cabrera, but we’d have to get him solely for salary dump/marginal prospect), or BoCro/Petit/Pennington
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I truly believe that if consistency and predictability
are what you’re most going for, devo is the A’s best option and he’s cheaper than Crosby.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know he's cheaper than Crosby?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you know, in some cultures, frugality is a virtue
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Montgomery Burns would make throngs of women swoon?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Cabrera will be that expensive.
He doesn’t really have a suitor.
Orioles got Izturis, Cardinals got Greene, Dodgers got Furcal, Tigers got Everett.
Royals aren’t adding payroll, nor are Padres.
The only other potential suitor is the Twins, and they would have to actually give up their first round draft pick to sign Cabrera (A’s give up a 2nd rounder). That immediately brings his price down.
I don’t think he gets more than 2/14-16MM
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 17, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he were known as a "great team player" I'd be more psyched about him
Problem is, he isn’t that great and he isn’t that cheap. If he’s also a jerk…
Yet he probably would be an upgrade over anyone we currently could put out there.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, short of an SS option
lets sign Bonds, damnit. he’s probably the best DH available. plus, at least we’d have a circus to watch in case the A’s go south in the standings, lol. In all seriousness, I truly wonder how much Bonds would hit if he were to sign on to a team as a DH.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do we know that he's a jerk?
Swish also didn’t get along well in Chicago (his Captain Morgan schtick partner, by the way, was Cabrera). About 4 years ago I saw a very good interview with Cabrera (in Spanish). He was quite engaging in that interview, althought that doesn’t mean he’s not a jerk. (I saw quite a few good interviews that year. The only players who were less than charming were actually Tejada and Pudge, both of whom I’ve always liked.)
Anyway, Cabrera was quite useful to the Sux when they won it all in 2004, and he also played well for the Slegna.This isn’t an argument to sign him now, by the way.
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Admittedly, I don't really know -
Just rumors about him badgering official scorers for his own benefit, and isn’t he the one who has the mega-feud with Renteria? But even there, I don’t know who’s the bad guy, just that (IIRC) Cabrera is involved.
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would MMMMUUUCCCCHHHH rather have a maybe not quite ready option that could start in June...
than Crosby all season long.
Steady? The only thing he’s steadily done is go to the DL and swing at sliders low and away!
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
by brenarlo on Dec 17, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair he rarely swung at sliders while on the DL
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, we don't actually know that
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by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's our fault players don't want to come to Oakland....
The A’s McAfee Blues
Upon learning that free-agent shortstop Rafael Furcal was deciding between the Dodgers and Braves, one prominent agent expressed sympathy for A’s general manager Billy Beane and assistant GM David Forst, saying that they face an uphill fight trying to attract free agents to Oakland.
Furcal ended up choosing the Dodgers on Wednesday.
The A’s rarely are major players in free agency, but the agent said that the poor working conditions and occasionally unruly crowd behavior at McAfee Coliseum are turnoffs for his clients.
“Many players are uncertain about the atmosphere,” the agent said. “They’re not as comfortable going to work there or having their families attend games there on a regular basis.”
In 2012, the A’s are scheduled to move into Cisco Field, which will be located approximately 20 miles south of McAfee in Fremont, Calif.
“That will help them recruit players,” the agent said. “Billy and David are as good as anyone in the business. The new park will level the playing field for them and allow them to excel.”
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Dec 17, 2008 6:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
so this unnamed agent knows more about A's fans than we do?
Are A’s fans in general more abusive than Phillies, Sux, etc, fans?
by OaklandSi on Dec 17, 2008 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its perception that matters
The perception is that A’s fans (see: Raiders fans) are unruly and dangerous.
facepalm.jpg
by Zonis on Dec 17, 2008 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is actually an A's front office employee
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Dec 18, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
unruly? what exactly are they talking about?
Seriously—do they think these are Raiders v. Chiefs games? OK, so someone threw a cell phone at Carl Everett and there’s Ichiro and the batteries IIRC. So that means the fans could be unruly to VISITING players. As if that couldn’t and hasn’t happen anywhere else. Have player family members ever been in any sort of altercation that anyone’s heard of?
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King
by batgirl on Dec 17, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and the chair incident...
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 17, 2008 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think this quote is important
Why? Because it comes from a neutral source (who is actually very sympathetic to Beane/Forst and Oakland) and because “perception is reality in the court of public opinion.” In other words, if that’s how Oakland is viewed by opposing players and agents, it’s a problem.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The question is, how on earth do you change perception?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2008 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get rid of the shithole stadium.
Or, at least, kick the Raiders back out and then blow up Mt Davis.
by mikev on Dec 17, 2008 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and then blow it up again!!!!
yes, that’s the key!
by mrod on Dec 17, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that'll really help with oakland's image
as a post apocalyptic wasteland (cf, furcal)
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Dec 17, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or it will appeal to the athlete
that has an inner Rambo!!!!!!
by mrod on Dec 17, 2008 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a "Be Nice to an Red Sox Fan Night"
Where each Red Sox fan would be assigned a Host from A’s fandom. This Host would help the Red Sox fan find their seats, show them the concession areas and toilets, make cheerful banter, answer questions about Athletics history and make sure they got back safely to their cars or public transport.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 17, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
explain to them that sometimes fly balls get caught
so you don’t need to cheer for a home run each time.
though, that is pretty funny
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Dec 18, 2008 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Dec 18, 2008 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at opening day last year
& the Red Sox fans almost out numbered the A’s fans. The only reason I was nice to the four sitting in front of me is they were all cute coeds.
"AN, Reducing Work Productivity since 2003", connie mack 11/06/08
by adragon on Dec 18, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's always a reason to be nice to people.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 18, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got to see Cust hit his first hommer of the year
and I got three phone numbers. The only bad part was the A’s lost to DiceK.
"AN, Reducing Work Productivity since 2003", connie mack 11/06/08
by adragon on Dec 18, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was the only A's fan
in my BART car of about 50 people on the way to the red sox game last year… the other 49 were red sox fans… not one of whom was speaking in a Boston accent…
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 18, 2008 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make sense.
Well, I mean, it does make sense in that other players have a stereotype of Oakland as a sketchy-scary-unruly place to play and therefore base their decisions on it. But that’s not based in reality. “Poor working conditions”? “Occasionally unruly crowd behavior”? As far as I know, it’s been a while since the last major crowd incident… lately, there haven’t even been big enough crowds to warrant unruly behavior. I wonder if the players that don’t want to come to Oakland base their feelings off actual facts (as in bad experiences by members of the A’s and, to a lesser extent, visiting players) or just off speculation and the overwhelming idea, perpetuated by stories like these and often the media in general, that Oakland isn’t a nice place.
by whiteshoes40 on Dec 17, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet if the perception lingers, the problem exists
Unfortunately. Though personally I suspect the paltry crowds are more to blame than “incidents” are.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In begining of the hot stove league
I wasn’t all that excited about the A’s getting Furcal because of his bad back, then I read a lot of posts on AN and the winter meetings stoked the fires and i warmed to the idea of signing Furcal. I got my hopes up and then they were dashed across the rocks. now I’m glad the A’s didn’t sign him, what a douchebag.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Dec 17, 2008 6:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
maybe his new nickname is
fcuk-all
fcuk-a’s
or something
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
by closetasfan on Dec 17, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
first name: "Sweet"
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Dec 17, 2008 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New item for sale
today the A’s added a new item for the upcoming season. The Furcal voodoo doll. Just twist, burn, stomp, or whatever and it is fun. Fans in the bleacher will hang numbers telling the folks how long Furcal will be on the DL this month.
by Arcman on Dec 17, 2008 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let's do it - I say we bring Foockall voodoo dolls to games
and stick pins in it. If anyone complains, we’ll say it’s acupuncture.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
Or, at least, the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard this week.
Good riddance, Furcal. As for Kinzer—I hope I never have to type his name again.
by whiteshoes40 on Dec 17, 2008 7:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Amen to all that
Here’s to the first time Foozball lands on the DL. {clink}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
F this guy
If you don’t want to sign with a place, stop wasting their time. Dick move by him and his agent.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Dec 17, 2008 7:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that
Here’s to Fickle getting syphilis. {clink}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling furcal is going to have a hard time finding a team that wants to deal with him
when this contract ends after the way he handled his negotiations with the A’s and especially after he went back on his word with the Braves.
by Erin6 on Dec 17, 2008 7:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that
Here’s to Furkill’s wife leaving him for Chin-Lung Hu. {clink}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish that the A's could sign Yunel Escobar.
He’s a talent and he signed an autographed ball for me when we visted Atlanta in 2007. He seemed like a nice enough kid.
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 17, 2008 8:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They'd have to trade for him, and I don't think Wren has any desire to trade him anymore
considering he was going to keep Escobar even with Furcal on the team.
by Erin6 on Dec 17, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The news accounts say that...
the Braves may trade Escobar or Kelly Johnson.
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 17, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's based on the assumption Atlanta had Furcal signed
Which, as we know, is soooo-ooo-ooo last hour’s news.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they got furcal I would assume. I don't think Wren wants to trade Escobar, but was
willing to do so to get Peavy. that’s not happening so he will just keep him to avoid creating another hole at SS.
by Erin6 on Dec 17, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they would only have traded if they had signed Furcal.
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 17, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
although from everything I heard, they were just going to keep escobar, move furcal to second
and Kelly Johnson to left field.
by Erin6 on Dec 17, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it really sucks. Escobar and Asdrubal Cabrera are both pretty much out of the question.
I suppose the next option would be JJ Hardy, if looking outside the organization is still the preferred solution for SS in 2009.
by mikev on Dec 17, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope that they do look outside of the org.
We need another good hitter on this team…I will be bummed out if the team is no much better than last year offensively.
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 17, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cept that holliday guy
but i will be bummed if that is the only upgrade
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Dec 17, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will be too.
I was talking with Brian Phillips about getting season tickets this year…but I am holding off to see if they make anymore upgrades.
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 17, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now now - you know you love your A'sies
Root for the laundry. You might as well – the dishwasher is clearly rebuilding.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And, just in case any of you need a last minute gift idea for me for Christmas...
by mikev on Dec 17, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be my GTBGL.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Dec 18, 2008 7:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Hu/DeJesus, if Furcal is indeed a Dodger
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whats the draw with dejesus?
obviously he would be good but we have approximately 34 good outfielders (ill have to check that number but im pretty sure its right) and id rather fill holes
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Dec 17, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
now im just confused
can i get a baseball cube or fangraphs link to this player?
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Dec 17, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be precise, Ivan Jr.,
not David.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Compare him to Bobby Crosby.
Now are you seeing DeJesus in a new more charming light?
by IM4Oakgal on Dec 17, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was thinking David DeJesus
Who is also 564 times more exciting than Crosby, but who doesn’t happen to play SS.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 17, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and now i know
and am quite intrigued. when you type “dejesus” into fangraphs you dont get him. but “de jesus” got me results
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Dec 17, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Yes! Yes! mike v!
J.J. Hardy is my boy!!!!!!!!!!!
by mrod on Dec 17, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, to recap,
Flakeall
Fuckall
Foozball
Fickle
Furkill
and Kinzer Soze.
by danmerqury on Dec 17, 2008 9:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
don't forget Screwfurcalafragiledipstickexpeditethedunncust
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 17, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent work, all.
If I don't comment on your comment how will you know you are completely wrong? -Rocktopus
by pam5981 on Dec 17, 2008 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled
was convincing the Braves that Furcal doesn’t exist.
99 MPH with as much control as a deflating balloon - CurveballKing on H-Rod
by Scottbass on Dec 17, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+100,000!!!!!!!!!!!
Merry Christmas Bitches!!!!!!
{Here’s to you Tony! Where art thou?}
by mrod on Dec 17, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't Furcal me, I'll Furcal you.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Dec 17, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man....it's way past my bedtime.
Nite-nite all……
by mrod on Dec 18, 2008 12:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone mentioned trading for Jack Wilson as a possibility?
Just saw a post on FanGraphs, and it was intriguing. I don’t know if it’s plausible though.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 18, 2008 8:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
GO BRAVES GO
Blackballing!!!! LOLZ.
When WIFN talk show host Bill Shanks prefaced a question by saying that he knew Wren couldn’t burn bridges with Kinzer and Tellem, Wren interjected, “That bridge is gone. I don’t have to worry about burning it. The bridge is gone.”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-dodgers18-2008dec18,0,124309.story
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 18, 2008 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The fact that Kinzer has K-Rod for a client should tell you all you need to know
This clown make Boras look like a Saint.
by Trainman on Dec 18, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the A's have put Crosby on outright waivers.
Not that meaningful in substance, but awesome nonetheless!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2008 1:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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