The Latest with Furcal: Decision to come tomorrow?
It seems like this is the most popular topic at-hand, so let's get a front page discussion going. Here's the latest on Furcal Watch 2008:
The A's are the only team believed to have offered Furcal a guaranteed 4-year contract - for, it's believed, a guaranteed $40 million. The Dodgers are at 2-years guaranteed, with a 3rd year vesting option. The Royals are mentioned as a 3rd team still in the running and Furcal's ever-ambiguous agent, Paul Kinzer, indicated that a fourth "mystery" remains in the running. God, I kind of hate this Kinzer guy...
Anyways, Yahoo's Tim Brown just published this about an hour ago:
Asked if, as things stand, he [Furcal] would take the A’s offer, Kinzer said, “I can’t say that yet.”
He added, “We’re going to make a decision soon. By (Tuesday).”
There seems to be a lot of yo-yo-ing around occurring in the Furcal camp. Various "informed observers" believe that Oakland is the place that Furcal least wants to play next season, at least among the four teams under consideration, and with the way he's extending this negotiation, you can kind of believe that he's trying to get the Dodgers or Kansas City to guarantee more money or years in order to make the decision to turn down the A's that much easier.
The big question being debated in the ru155's thread seems to be: since it seems like Furcal would rather play somewhere else besides Oakland, but still might HAVE to accept the A's offer, how do you think us fans should react to his (potential) addition to the current team? While the reasons for his reticence toward Oakland seem to be based on his familiarity with other locations (Los Angeles) or with the management of other organizations (Kansas City) - and not on some personal dislike of the Bay Area or the A's franchise - as a fan of the A's you'd probably still like to feel some more positive vibes coming from a potential big-money free agent signee and not get the feeling that he's backing into a deal with our beloved franchise...
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I say we welcome him with optimism and open arms. Once he realizes he is well accepted, and moves into his lush San Francisco Pad, perhaps he will have a change of heart?
Certainly an opposite type of welcoming won’t do much to change his mind on playing with the Oakland Athletics.
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by WhoNeedsReligionWhenYaGotBaseball on Dec 15, 2008 3:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well Said
Regardless of the situation he is still an upgrade over our current SS. If he ends up in Oakland and is really truely unhappy to the point he is detrimental to the team he will still have enough trade value and we can flip him to another team in a mid season trade.
As said above, we should welcome him gladly to the organization to create a positive buzz about him.
by bdemartin on Dec 15, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we can have a welcome to the bay area party!
BYOB.
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by alea iacta est on Dec 15, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he signs, I have no reason to believe he won't end up liking it here.
Small crowds, sure, but friggin diehards
Good clubhouse atmosphere
GM who knows how to build winning teams
What’s not to like?
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 3:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
To me there is a big difference between not wanting to go to Oakland, and preferring somewhere else to Oakland.
I understand wanting to go somewhere more familiar, but if he ends up taking the offer to come to Oakland I think he will easily come around.
by DiegoAsFan on Dec 15, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now if the A's moved to Cancun I bet he would change his tune
And I would move there too just to watch them!
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by Eastbayjim on Dec 15, 2008 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Winning is everything. If the A’s prove themselves to be division winners this year, I doubt Furcal will be agitating for a trade.
by eastbayexpat on Dec 15, 2008 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia had said in the past
that he didn’t want to play in NY. Do you think the fans will hold it against him? Of course not. They’ll only turn against him if he doesn’t produce.
Which is how we should view Furcal, should he sign with Oakland.
by OaklandSi on Dec 15, 2008 3:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, New York fans are capable of holding anything against anyone...
….unless his name rhymes with Jerek Deter.
My guess: C.C. Sabathia will never be a True Yankee®.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Dec 15, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure. He's mostly an Indian.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be worse.
He could be a Confederate
by petitceebee on Dec 15, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming the gallows-humor aspect of that statement got lost in the shuffle here
C.C. Sabathia is about the least likely Confederate in the entire United States.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The joke was meant to play on the Yankee and Indian aspect
not on CC himself. I’m pretty sure CC wouldn’t be a Confederate
by petitceebee on Dec 15, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he gives up 5 runs in 7 IP in the playoffs
Then it’s all over.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its like a soap opera
Fans: OH CC, Cream Cheese, I can’t do this anymore. I can’t, I can’t.
CC: New York, New York, please don’t do this to me… falls onto knees
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by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If NY shacks back up with Joba after that, I will be, like, so pissed
NY is such a hussy.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Dec 15, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NY, you pathetic little whore!
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I, for one, (would) welcome our new free agent shortstop.
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by oblique on Dec 15, 2008 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A great point
Despite Furcal’s reasons for this ‘least interest’ is he NOT the lesser of two evils? As this progresses we need to consider the incumbent here…
If the A's can build around Holiday, Furcal, Cust, and maybe call up 2nd baseman Wes Childs at some point in the year, they have a shot to take a weak AL West. -- jameersju post on ESPN.com
by youdownwithOBP on Dec 15, 2008 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I, for one, welcome our new Free Agent Overlords.
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by Zonis on Dec 15, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FAO Schwartz?
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
May the Schwartz be with you...
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please please please
Get it done Billy. Furcal would be such a nice addition and I’m sure he’ll mesh perfectly well with the atmosphere that is the A’s clubhouse. The excitement of all the players should be huge come ST with all these new acquisitions and the FO obvious desire to contend NOW.
Show him to the dotted line.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 15, 2008 4:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
to flip a question posed in an earlier front page post
does anybody think Furcal’s decision will influence the Angels? i.e. if the A’s sign Furcal, does that put pressure on the Halo’s to get Teixeira?
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Dec 15, 2008 4:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I bet
they can’t compete with bosox for tex and end up getting burrell or dunn
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 15, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Manny.
I like that idea because they actually have to give up a draft pick, and way way way overpay for his services, and his defense is also LOLworthy.
Although Manny’s the better hitter… So I’m not sure… Unless one of our pitchers can plunk him in the face…
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are already pressuring themselves as much as possible to re-sign Teixera.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Dec 15, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
And I think Boston gets him.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Dec 15, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
No way Baaastin goes through an offseason in which the Yankmees spend all that money without throwing big money at some FA.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Angels wont get either Teixera or Manny
I predict Teixera to Angels and then Manny to Yankees. Already read where the Yankees will likely go after Manny if they miss on Teixera
by yawedout21 on Dec 15, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Angels won't get either Teixeira or Manny,
but you predict they’ll get Teixeira?
Manny too, probably, right?
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How'd you know!?!?!
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 15, 2008 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should certainly welcome him
(Not that I really think it’d make a difference in the long run, I highly doubt Rafael Furcal peruses Athletics Nation from time to time..)
That said, and I kinda brought this up in the other thread, but if I were ever going to have concerns about a player’s lack of motivation, a)getting paid b)coming off an injury and c)not really wanting to be here would certainly be the factors to lead me to do so.
Again, there’s no reason to shun him or something silly like that, but I’d feel a lot easier about the team investing $40 million in him if it at least looked like he wanted to come here a little.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1 for use of "peruse"
And +1 to the other sentiments.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Dec 15, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i could care less about his thoughts on oakland right now
i’m worried about his health. we seem to be bidding against ourselves for a guy who may or may not be an injury risk. i really hope the a’s did their homework on his back. if he’s 100%, this is a great deal. if not, this is a huge mistake.
honestly, if he ends up here, i am sure he’ll love it. great clubhouse, one of the most consistently competitive teams, and northern cali.
by guy incognito on Dec 15, 2008 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he's how I look at it
Furcal doesn’t know anything about A’s baseball. He has barely ever played with or against our guys. So, his only opinions come from other major leaguers who i’m sure all don’t have the nicest things to say about Oakland. Of course not, we aren’t San Francisco, New York, Chicago, we’re not a huge city that usually is well known for being an exciting atmosphere. What Oakland Athletics baseball holds true is something you don’t see until you are a part of the organization. It’s full of awesome die hard fans, and arguably the best clubhouse atmosphere, a tradition since Charlie Finley. That’s where any player will find the true value of A’s baseball, and if Furcal decides not to choose oakland because he thinks it is a lesser area, he is the one who will be missing out on what Oakland Athletics baseball really is
by stranahanahan on Dec 15, 2008 4:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't see it happening.
When Furcal came in for a visit with the wife and ended leaving without a contract my first thought was that Beane is just wasting his time. The A’s are a young team with major injury problems- there best player is a new trade acquisition without a contract after this season and no guarantee of re-signing. At this point I hope Billy walks away, 3 weeks of this B.S. is long enough and the last thing I want is a guy who has a history of injury problems who doesn’t really want to play here. Clearly this signing has the potential to blow up in Beane’s face and for 4 years at that.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Dec 15, 2008 4:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That back concerns me! 4 years is a long time.
by calas on Dec 15, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when that 4 years is 31 thru 34
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by Eastbayjim on Dec 15, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too Many Factors Against Him
In the beginning, I was for it. However, since then, numerous factors have piled up against making Furcal a good signing.
Before it was just the health concern.
Now on top of that there is the economy, which is worsening by the day. This will not only impact teams bottom lines but also make it harder and more expensive to borrow money and take out lines of credit if they start operating in the red – credit markets are frozen right now making money expensive. Read Gammons’ latest article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3767323&name=gammons_peter. This thing is big and it’s going to negatively affect the A’s future revenue.
Add on top of that that we had to increase our offer to more than we planned on and the fact that he doesn’t want to play here. That’s a lot more reason to not sign him.
Recap: 1) big health concerns, 2) economy → more payroll constraints, 3) he doesn’t want to be here, 4) we had to increase our offer / stretch to get him.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 15, 2008 4:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Winner's curse: if somebody accepts your first offer, then it was for too much.
That part doesn’t bother me at all. Just bidness.
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by The Dogfather on Dec 15, 2008 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with this negotiation philosophy, but that's because I prefer not to dick around
in negotiations.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Negotiation is a science
If you went in with the mentality of trying to strike a fair deal right away, Kinzer would house you, that is his job.
Also, I disagree that the A’s have offered more than they planned. I think that, at least in a good economy, the A’s planned to offer more, as per our analysis on his true value.
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by ChadGod on Dec 15, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In my experience those who dick around in negotiations aren't respected. No one ever
has an incentive to accept any of their offers, since they always might come back with something better if you just wait. Also since it’s my job to not get housed by Kinzer I wouldn’t be.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the term "haggling." And (almost) everybody does it.
Ford tried the “no dicking around” philosophy in their product liability cases a few years ago — here’s our offer — take it or see you in court.
It worked okay ‘til they got nailed for many, Many millions of their shareholders’ dollars by a jury. There’s even a term for your approach — it’s called Boulware-ism, after the former procurement chief for GE. They don’t do it anymore, either.
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by The Dogfather on Dec 15, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with sentiment behind WaddellCanseco’s idealism as well as your reality. In an ideal world, one side would offer what the other actually is worth and the first side would accept. In reality that never happens, all too often one side or the other will get greedy and/or stupid and alienate the other. The inherent problem I have with the haggling process is that one side is trying to underpay the value of what the other is offering while the other side is trying to overvalue what they’re offering, rarely is it ever about the what the true value is.
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by DMOAS on Dec 15, 2008 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually having to resist the urge to start yelling out buzzwords from Civil Procedure class
Our professor’s area of expertise was negotiation psychology, so… well, you get the idea.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
... "Erie Doctrine"? ...
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Dec 15, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly unsettling
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, jurisdiction is now in Civil Procedure 2
…thank god.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's your prof, PT -- email is fine -- thanks!
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by The Dogfather on Dec 16, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My position may or may not be stupid, but it's not idealism. It's what I actually
do. I’m flexible, but if I change an offer, it’s never in terms of making it better without the other side giving something up.
In Furcal’s case if he didn’t want the 4/$36-40M I’d have said OK you want more per year, you can get those based on incentives at a lower base, or you can get that on a shorter contract…or something else. If my real offer was 4/$40 guaranteed I wouldn’t have offered the lower amount in the first place.
There may be cases where I pay more than the other side was willing to accept. But I never pay more than I want to, and I don’t waste time. My time is valuable to me.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also the people I negotiate with consider their time very valuable as well and
don’t like dicking around either.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we have to compare appendages, here ...
… I negotiate constantly as a recruiter, and I’ve taught it for fifteen years at the graduate level. WC’s limited scope strategy may serve him if he’s doing the same negotiations repeatedly, with the same folks. If you’re the world’s leading authority on value, going first and not bargaining are good approaches. But that’s a big IF, and he does realize that he sometimes pays more than necessary, rationalizing it on the basis of an efficiency criterion. YMMV.
Generally, I believe the wisest, most enduring deals come out of the basic rubric of the B-school classic Getting to Yes — focusing on interests rather than positions, generating options, using objective standards of value, etc. But context is crucial, and sometimes — like when you’re buying a used car, or a shortstop, you’re in a competitive negotiating context, haggling is in order and leverage rules the day.
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by The Dogfather on Dec 16, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing about agreements...
…all parties come to livable terms and walk away better off, from their perspectives, than they were before. If they didn’t walk away feeling better off, they’d be irrational to make the agreement or they just wouldn’t put into force the agreement at all.
So, what matters, then, is wo has the most leverage while negotiating. For whoever has the most leverage is going to walk away feeling the best off. The length of the agreement and unforseen events are what makes everything more interesting.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 16, 2008 2:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
negotiations are about power, not respect
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by Buck Turgidson on Dec 15, 2008 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes!
Do you get any repeat business?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Power" isn't physical might.
If you’re an entrepreneur with one key link that Microsoft absolutely has to have — then who’s got the power? (Hint — it’s you). Again, Roger Fisher (G2Y, above) got it right in my view. I googled for the article he wrote on the subject, but I think those bandit negotiators at Hahvud want people to buy it.
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by The Dogfather on Dec 16, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In a competitive bargaining situation, if you lead with your best offer, you will often leave money on the table.
And when you don’t, the other side will leave pissed-off. Folks expect a little give-n-take in these deals. Thus Kinzer went and dredged up some offers to compete with Billy’s initial one — which would’ve been a steal if it had worked. But with 29 other greedy bastards out there, that’s unlikely. Remember, three weeks ago everybody was talking closer to $50 million than $40M for Furcal.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Dec 15, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Furcal as a player and person
Just as an anecdote:
A few years ago I was at a Dodgers/Padres game in San Diego, and after the game about 50 or so people stood along the street watching Dodgers players walk to their bus. Player after player walked by. A few waved and smiled, none stopped. Then Furcal came out of the stadium and immediately went to the fans and signed autographs and took pictures with kids until finally the bus was about to pull away and they yelled for him to get on the bus.
He seemed genuinely happy being with the fans, and he probably would have signed autographs for as long as it took to please the fans who waited outside to see him.
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by Travis Buck Nuckin on Dec 15, 2008 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm..
…he probably would have signed autographs for as long as it took to please the fans who waited outside to see him.
It seems like Furcal enjoys signing things for people that appreciate him…so why hasn’t he already signed a contract with a team that clearly appreciates him more than any other team out there and is offering him more overall money and more guaranteed job security than anyone else?
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Dec 15, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Management versus fans
Oakland has less fans.
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by ChadGod on Dec 15, 2008 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought.
Could any of his (alleged) qualms about the A’s be to do with the recent history of their medical staff ?
by green star oakland on Dec 15, 2008 4:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He he.
He took one look at the Davis, the training table and ran for the hills!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really care that he's reluctant
As long as he produces out on the field. I mean if I was him, I might be reluctant too considering the A’s have been doing mostly nothing but dumping salary over the last year or so. I guarantee he’s trying to decide whether uprooting and moving to Oakland is worth the extra money. You’ve got to admire the fact that he isn’t just jumping at the biggest offer.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 15, 2008 4:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
True all that.
And I know that if he were to sign in Oakland, I would forget about most of this drama the moment he gets his first base-hit and stolen base…but still, the fact that it seems – and this is all just my personal conjecture here – that he’s forcing the A’s into overpaying for his services because they play in Oakland is somewhat disconcerting to me as a fan.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Dec 15, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You thought Oakland was a modern-day utopia?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Dec 15, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but it's not the Green Zone in Baghdad either.
These ballplayers with all their money don’t need to worry about the “bad” parts of certain towns. Think Miguel Cabrera was all that fixated on the incredibly decrepit inner-city of Detroit when he signed that 100+ million dollar deal to be the face of that franchise for years to come? Of course not, and Furcal even got a personalized tour of the nice communities of the East Bay from A’s executives to help assuage his concerns about the standard of living in Norcal.
My concern is that the A’s are clearly out-bidding everyone for Furcal and yet it seems like him, or at least his agent, continue to demand more and more out of the A’s just because they are the A’s. I kind of resent that. And like I said in response to Blez, I’m sure I’ll be happy with the signing if it happens and will root Furcal just like every other “A”, and be pleased with the results of the signing…but that doesn’t mean that I’m not skeptical about how this is all playing out right now.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Dec 15, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
It’s one thing to prefer other places or want more money, but I do think it’s a little worrisome when someone seems this reluctant to come here.
And it’s also one thing to want to stay with the Dodgers, but when you give him his four years, you give him more money than anyone else, and you improve that offer, and he still goes to the Royals and Blue Jays to ask “You know, can you guys pleeaaase top this” it must say he’s even more reluctant than we thought to come to Oakland.
Or he could just want more money and his agent thinks he needs more suitors to get that. Maybe he’s not that against Oakland, but rather the somewhat underwhelming dollar figure it looks like its going to take to get him signed. But it’s hard to see that being the case just right now.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think he's negotiating (and coming to terms with the fact he'll get less than he wants).
Anything beyond that (and, in fact, that) is speculation.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Dec 15, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should all make it our goal
to boo him so mercilessly that it actually affects his performance on the field. Then I think we should boo his performance.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We could always just chant for Bobby Crosby to start again
That has to be more demoralizing than any booing can ever do.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My chant for Bobby Crosby was a boo.
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by oblique on Dec 15, 2008 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
booby crosby?
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by alea iacta est on Dec 15, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I'll say it.
This is probabaly the last long term FA deal he will ever see. So, if I were him, I’d want to make damn sure I was signing the right deal. Money, location, ballclub’s direction, contender/noncontender etc…
However, I have no idea what’s going on in his head but if he can’t make up his mind by tomorrow then I say Billy pulls the plug.
Here’s to hoping I’m wrong…
by mrod on Dec 15, 2008 4:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly he will make up his mind by tomorrow
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or tonight
says olney on espnews
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 15, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that's true.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he say that before? A couple times?
And now there is another mystery team. I think they are playing with the Dodgers trying to make them up their offer a little.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Dec 15, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I mean.
Brother better make up his mind sooner than later. But, the clock is ticking…..
by mrod on Dec 15, 2008 5:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don´t mind the fact that he doesnt prefer Oakland
I mean, to be fair, its not as cool as LA, Toronto or others. But the fact thats its becoming so obvious now is pissing me off, if he really didnt like Oakland he should have just told us “thanks, but not thanks”. If he ends up going to LA now for less money, he´s going to have another hater in me
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by ATarHeel on Dec 15, 2008 5:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What he takes LAD for 2/25 instead of Oakland for 4/40?
On one hand, the Dodgers offer way more per year and give him a second shot at free agency before he’s in his mid-30s; on the other hand, the A’s make exactly the offer Furcal initially said he was looking for, and give him the security no one else would commit to, and he turns it down.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then he can piss off and go to LA.
It would suck, but oh well.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would suck less than him signing with Oakland
and then going “OW” on April 29th, 2009, though. I’m trying to remember that, just in case I have to.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure. I don't know if he'd be option #1 if his back wasn't 100% though.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If his back was 100% the Dodgers would have guaranteed the third year.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll guarantee you this -
His back is NOT 100. Backs that undergo surgery are never 100 again. You just hope for 90% and you hope that 90% is good enough. And there is NO WAY to know this soon how the back will feel in two years. There is plenty of risk involved here, and it’s why the A’s offers have been MORE than fair.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and this opinion comports with your acceptance of the A's assessment of Chavez' health ... how?
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 15, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That the A's, given all the info they have,
are optimistic he will be healthy. I’ve never said I thought they were right (though I’m also fairly optimistic), just that they believe it. As they must be optimistic about Furcal to make this offer. That doesn’t mean there isn’t substantial risk involved. They don’t KNOW either is healthy, they can just assess whether the risk is better or worse.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fair 'nuff
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Dec 15, 2008 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can ALMOST see the logic if he were to convice Colleti into guaranteering that 3rd year.
In that case, Furcal doesn’t have to uproot any part of his life and all the personal issues remain the same. He might leave some more money on the table, but he will also, like you said, get one more shot at free agency before he turns into a not-as-defensively-gifted version of Omar Vizquel.
But Colleti seems intent on not guaranteeing that 3rd year, and because of that, it just seems absurd that someone with Furcal’s injury history would leave $15 million dollars of guaranteed money and 2 years of employment on the table and reject the A’s standing offer.
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by Taj Adib on Dec 15, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes yes yes
But Colleti seems intent on not guaranteeing that 3rd year, and because of that, it just seems absurd that someone with Furcal’s injury history would leave $15 million dollars of guaranteed money and 2 years of employment on the table and reject the A’s standing offer.
exactly
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by ATarHeel on Dec 15, 2008 5:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My prediction?
Tonight, the Dodgers decide to go ahead and guarantee the third year, same financial offer, and Furcal accepts. My hope? They don’t and he takes the A’s offer.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers are still hanging on to Manny's balls.
They’re not going to make a big offer to another FA until Manny signs. If they do, I will be shocked. It will either be the 2/25 offer already on the table for the Dodgers, or an offer from the A’s/Royals/whomever the fuck is left in the bidding.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In which case, if Furcal accepts,
it was never about “four years” and it was about “I’m looking for 4/40” – it was about “most annually” and/or “signing with the Dodgers”.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that there would be anything wrong with that
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the, you know, lying and deceiving part.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since he never made any public statements, it's hard to pin that on him
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's been pretty well documented that
Furcal/Kinzer entered the negotiations saying he was looking for 4/40 and that what he was most focused on was getting a four-year deal.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Objection! Heresay!
Anyway he was probably hoping that it would come from a team he actually wanted to play for. If not the Dodgers, then someone else like the Cubs, Royals, Braves, Blue Jays or even Giants.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, do you mean hearsay, or heresy?
If it’s the latter, I’d be curious to know which religion you follow.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Objection! Witnessing the badger!
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I reserve the right to arm bears
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 15, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if I can have the right to freeze peach
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But I get to take two pidgeon(s)
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 15, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Walter and who else?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And there I got misspelling pigeon
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 15, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I give up
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 15, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've clearly forgotten the English language.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, should we make a new voting poll?
Furcal: Take it or leave it?
by mrod on Dec 15, 2008 5:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he watches Football
and associates the A’s with the Raiders and thinks it is disfunctional. LOL It is.
Hopefully he signs tomorrow but if it strings out I say move on because he truly doesn’t want to be here. If your “sparkplug” doesn’t fire you dont get the engine to run so lets find a different route.
by Bud Light on Dec 15, 2008 5:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of the Raiders
I love how Kiffin is doing his payback
Clear its radiance shine...
by ATarHeel on Dec 15, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
per Rosenthal: Braves back in the mix
And Furcal is seriously considering them
I guess that a potential trade for Yunel Escobar would be back on the table at that point?
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 8:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That actually seems likely.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Dec 15, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a thing of beauty if, having seen the way things were headed
Beane began talking to Wren behind the scenes for Escobar putting the Braves in a position to sign Furcal. Furcal doesn’t want Oakland, A’s want a short stop, so they “trade” Furcal for Escobar in a manner.
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by DMOAS on Dec 15, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If only we could land Escobar
for a package that didn’t cripple our future. That won’t be easy – but I would like Escobar about 73 times more than I ever wanted Fibcal.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it would take a franchise-crippling package to get him.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What DO you think it would take?
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a leg crippling package?
ie, some, er, persuasion?
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Dec 15, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm bad with specifics like that
But I think it’s because I probably (admittedly) value our prospects more than they should be.
To Atlanta: Peavy (SD)
To Oakland: Escobar (Atl)
To San Diego: Gorkys Hernandez (Atl), Gio Gonzalez (Oak), Vin Mazzaro (Oak), something else (PTBNL – Weeks? Carignan? I dunno)
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man
I obviously can’t speak for the real life GM’s, but if I was Kevin Towers and I was approached with that, my first reaction would be “Not a chance.”
And that’s before Frank Wren realizes he’s giving up Hernandez and Escobar for Peavy while we only give up Gonzalez, Mazzaro, and “something else” for Escobar.
I guess it’s possible Beane could totally pull one over on both of these guys, but giving value to get value, this proposal is not.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, except for Atlanta had already agreed to send Hernandez and Escobar
at least according to this article that says those two were agreed upon, and the 3rd and 4th prospects going to San Diego were what killed the deal.
If you look at it that way, Atlanta is giving up LESS than they’d agreed to previously and still getting Peavy. The obstacle would be getting Towers to accept the Oakland prospects instead of Escobar.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well what I mean is
There’s a couple roadblocks there.
The first is if Wren sees we have such a sweet deal, he could say “well send something else our way, regardless of the Padres.” That can probably be easily handled with Josh Donaldson or something. I dunno, but not a big issue I think.
The real problem, which you acknowledge, is getting Towers to take Oakland prospects instead of Escobar. Would he do that? I have no clue, and it’s certainly possible, but I would think at least one of them would have to be Cahill or Anderson, which is the point where you ask “Am I willing to give up Cahill or Anderson and potentially 2-3 other dudes for Yunel Escobar?”
To that, I would probably answer yes. Is that possible in the real world, I dunno. And of course it could all get hung up on who these hypothetical 2-3 other Oakland guys are. If we’re saying Carignan/Mazarro/what have you, then I think it’s smooth sailings. If it’s Carter/Cardenas/what have you, then the deal hits a potentially inconsolable snag.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'd potentially give up one of Cahill or Anderson for Escobar.
However, that’s it. Nothing else. Peavy to Atlanta, Escobar to Oakland, one of C/A to San Diego.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, see
While I don’t think it’s entirely unreasonable (I’d probably, in an ideal world, be fine with, say, Cahill and a hitter…let’s say Donaldson, for Escobar) I do think it’s unrealistic.
I don’t think San Diego looks at this situation and decides to give up Peavy without getting Escobar and looking at just one prospect as a suitable alternative.
In fact, the more I think about it, the harder a time I have seeing San Diego caring to involve Oakland at all. If you’re the Padres and you involve Oakland, you don’t get what you really want, which is Escobar.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure, but then we feel left out.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
San Diego is not in a position of strength.
Aside from having Peavy, they’ve basically got no bargaining power. He’s got to accept a trade to whatever team he’s potentially going to anyway.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's supposedly agreed to accept the Braves
as long as they didn’t cripple the team to get him. Hence Furcal.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So basically San Diego has to get what they can for him if a deal is to be made.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds that way
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Escobar+ for Holiday
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by DMOAS on Dec 15, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except they seem to want to trade him for Peavy.
It would have to be Holliday for prospects and prospects to SD for Escobar.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a thought:
Billy Beane should withdraw the offer to Furcal and tell Furcal to go have sex with himself.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Game, set, match.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 15, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This sucks so bad
They emerge at the last moment and will more han likely win the sweepstakes. Looks like all the dilly dallying paid off for Furcal and Co.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Dec 15, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes. No. Sense. For. The. Braves. Whatsoever.
What starting pitcher is out there, that would actually be worth trading Yunel Escobar for. Not including Peavy, because Escobar + other top prospects for Peavy is fucking RIDICULOUS. Unless the Cardinals have made Adam Wainwright available (but then, why the hell did they trade for Greene).
The Braves need an outfielder and pitching pitching pitching. They really really really shouldn’t be throwing money at Furcal right now.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It only makes sense if they don't like Escobar as much as other teams do
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fleece Wren for Escobar time!!!!!
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves are a joke
They are nowhere close to competing, and they are going to try and make this move? Makes perfect sense. Sort of like trading your best prospects for a year of Teixiera.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Dec 15, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Teixeira move was Schuholtz, not Wren.
although Schuholtz does have a president role with the team now.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves
Not necessarily any particular GM, just their entire organization. I don’t like them.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Dec 15, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Tomahawk Chop did it for me
Not because it’s racially insensitive, just because it’s unbelievably irritating.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For me it's because it's offensive. It says "We massacred you and now we can mock you because our weapons are better"
I respect irritating behavior in crowd chants.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's too cult-sounding
When I hear the Tomahawk Chop, I get a craving for yogurt and kool-aid. Of course, when I hear the Braves’ announcers, I get a craving for cyanide.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Skip and Ernie. Also Sutton.
Not Stirling.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ernie and Pete Van Weirdo grated on me
And not in that “Wow, they’re just grate!” kind of way.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Most ominously for the A’s, Furcal “will do whatever he can not to go to Oakland,” preferring to return to Atlanta or stay in Los Angeles, according to a rival executive.
This quotes from"rival executives" always confuse me. What does a rival executive know about a free agent’s internal motivations and why are they so willing to leak their thoughts? And who qualifies as a rival executive? Can it be someone from the marketing department?
I don’t doubt there’s some truth to this, but man, journalists sure are sketchy when it comes to getting the quote they want.
by Rocktopus on Dec 15, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously think this is Kinzer's new posturizing scheme.
Make it sounds like he ZOMG hates Oakland.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, interesting how that would come up
Almost like some executive said in passing, “We’re not the mystery team, I don’t know what’s going on in that situation. It almost seems like he will do whatever he can not to go to Oakland.”
Then a little cut and paste, and an off hand comment from someone completely unrelated to the situation becomes an insightful quote.
by DiegoAsFan on Dec 15, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it was,
“Ew, what is this, ‘mystery meat’? Oh no, not with beans!”
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The "Mystery" team revealed?
"RIP: UserID: 553"
by Masaryk on Dec 15, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And we have our "Mystery" team
"RIP: UserID: 553"
by Masaryk on Dec 15, 2008 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's over...Furcal ain't coming!!!!
Screw him. It’s pretty clear that he doesn’t want to come here and is just using us as a bargaining chip. He’s wasting all of our time. With his back problems, I’m not sure Furcal’s a good fit anyhow. I hope Atlanta signs him…so at least we have a chance at acquiring Yunel Escobar from them.
by uci anteater on Dec 15, 2008 8:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let the Escobar trade speculation begin!
I offer Gio, Simmons and Carignan. What say you?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I say
That ain’t getting it done if I’m Atlanta.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Counter offer. You can't have Cahill or Anderson. You can have any three other guys.
Maybe four or five — depending on who they are.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW you can't have Holliday either.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"OK, we'll take Gallagher, Suzuki, and Devine.
Or if you mean prospects, we’ll take Mazzaro, Carter, and Cardenas."
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that. But I doubt they want Suzuki with McCann around.
I’d do the second also.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd trade Gallagher, Suzuki, and Devine?
Now you have a pretty sucky rotation, a pretty sucky bullpen, and no catcher.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't do Gallagher/Suzuki/Devine.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've traded two injury prone pitchers and an above average catcher for
a SS who would be an all-star in the AL, filling my biggest hole, where I’m actually looking forward to Dustin Coleman, Jason Christian and Nino Leyja. I can acquire one of Texas’s 3 guys or Montero or Arencibia from the Jays (if they like Lawrie) or Salome/Lucroy.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, now Gallagher is injury prone too?
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was on the DL with a shoulder problem
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a pitcher in the a's system
and you’re asking if he’s injury prone?
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Dec 15, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"injury prone" is as good as it gets
Usually it’s just “injured”.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or "prone"
(or prunoed if they’ve been hanging with stompor.)
by green star oakland on Dec 15, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if they want 2 shortstops, they're gonna want 2 catchers, right?
by stranahanahan on Dec 15, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You need one boy and one girl
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have one
I firmly believe Atlanta would want nothing to do with us if they’re shopping Yunel Escobar.
If they sign Rafael Furcal, that means they’re in a go-for-it-mode. If they’re in go-for-it-mode, they don’t want our prospects. And if we can’t shop our prospects, I’m not sure what we can shop.
If you held a gun to my head, I’d think the offer would have to start at Justin Duchscherer and branch out from there.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Duchscherer for Escobar without batting an eye.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I would too
But, again, what I’m saying here is I don’t think we have what Atlanta wants.
I don’t know how much clearer about that I can be. They don’t seem to want prospects, what we primarily have is prospects, it’s just not a good match, except in our wildest dreams.
And, I guess, what the hell, dream away. But I don’t see it happening.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why you involve a 3rd party.
San Diego.
Look, Kevin Towers is an idiot. He completely screwed the Peavy trade situation. Frank Wren is also not the sharpest tool in the shed.
I am fairly confident that Beane could put together a three team deal with Peavy heading to Atlanta, Escobar to Oakland, a prospect or two from Oakland going to San Diego, and another prospect from Atlanta going to San Diego as well.
Atlanta gets their pitcher (and replaces Escobar with Furcal)
Oakland gets their shortstop
San Diego moves Peavy and lands a trio of solid prospects for a guy that they were basically unable to trade.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think Peavy and Escobar will move,
and all the A’s will have to lose is “a prospect or two”? In what way does that make sense, other than the Xmas spirit?
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about something along the lines of Gio and Carter.
Good prospects, not exactly Jason Windsor and Jeff Gray.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Atlanta would never do it
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you wouldn't think Atlanta would be on the brink of signing Furcal, either.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they are
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn?
Frankly, I’ll take him at 1B, lame defense and all, if we lose out on Furcal. Score some runs, shore up the pitching, and make sure the rest of your infield defense is super solid.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That could work
But not without Anderson or Cahill moving to San Diego.
Now, I could be flat wrong. None of us know exactly what’s going on in these guys heads, but I can’t see some ATL-SDP-OAK three-way deal not involving Anderson or Cahill going to the Padres if Escobar’s coming here and Peavy’s going to the Braves.
Now, would you pay that price? Would I send, say, Cahill and a couple other guys (Mazzaro and Cardenas, maybe?) for Escobar? I might. But that’s what it’s going to take on our end, if it’s going to work at all, I think.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That, or "everyone else," a la
Mazzaro, Simmons, H-Rodriguez, Cardenas or Doolittle…
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. Look at the Haren trade as an example.
Then consider the fact that Haren was younger, cheaper, and didn’t have a full NTC.
Escobar, one of Anderson/Cahill, another spec from Atlanta, and several others from Oakland is way, WAY more than Jake Peavy is worth.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the right way to look at it
Because It’s not Escobar AND Anderson/Cahill that the Padres get.
If we’re talking Haren, and saying he’s more valuable than Peavy, which I agree with, then Cahill/2 of our B/B-/C+ prospects and something from Atlanta makes perfect sense.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In "go for it" mode, it would have to be about Holliday. But then it would be
Escobar plus for Holliday. Not Holliday plus two other guys for Escobar.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And then we will have "gone for it"
from November, 2009 – December, 2009! Quite a run we had there, eh?
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Pennant was ours!
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And I guess I could see a hypothetical Holliday for Escobar+ deal making sense for us, but that’s going pretty way out there. I don’t think that’s even remotely close to reality.
Haha, I’m sorry to be a downer, but if Frank Wren’s signing Furcal and subsequently shopping Escobar, Oakland has to be one of the last places he’s looking at.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, but we can't give up that easily. Forst needs to monopolize his phone.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only a genuine lunatic would trade five years of Yunel Escobar for one year of Matt Holliday
That’s way beyond the pale. Escobar plus prospects? That’s so far beyond the pale it’s in the mid-Atlantic.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2008 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then we have to involve another team
If the Braves are in “go for it mode”, then we have to involve another team who is in “rebuild mode” like the Padres.
How about Mazzaro/Simmons + two Braves prospects to San Diego, Peavy to Atlanta and Escobar to Oakland?
by uci anteater on Dec 15, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the Braves being in a position to "go for it"
just because they sign Furcal. The Phillies and Mets are still well ahead of them.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
That is what makes this potential move so stupid. It would be like the Royals thinking they are going to go for it if they signed Furcal, even though they were better than Atlanta last year.
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by sprtsnwyn on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Indians, White Sox and Twins are also more catchable.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or like Oakland thinking they
are going to go for it if they trade away their best future outfielder, setup/closer and a modestly good young starter for a one year rental of an outfield slugger.
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by humdinger on Dec 15, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then the Peavy deal doesn't make sense. They need multiple parts.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Atlanta doesn't know that they "need multiple parts"
They could be pretty stupid/myopic and think they are one player away.
by uci anteater on Dec 15, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't tend to assume most GMs to be as dumb
as the average ANer seems to feel they are.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But their rumored actions indicate that they think they're a lot closer than
“needing multiple parts”
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Atlanta's in Go-For-It Mode, I Say...
… we give them exactly what they want: Matt Holliday and Justin Duchscherer.
All I want in return is Yunel Escobar (who is expendable if they sign Rafael Furcal), Jason Heyward (of), Cole Rohrbogh (lhp), Charlie Morton (rhp), and Tim Hudson (plus $6.5 million… half of Hudson’s salary for the 2009 season, which would give us the option of retaining Hudson for the 2010 season at $12 million, or the option of paying a $1 million buyout, if we decide we don’t need Huddy for the 2010 season).
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 15, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So now the A's suck but have a good SS
Now what?
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We win the World Series in 2010 and 2011
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 15, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the backs of which 5 starting pitchers exactly?
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cahill, Anderson, Gallagher, Gio and Hudson?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In 2010? I think not
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you have Cahill and Anderson up in 2009?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One or the other,
but not at the front of the rotation. I see one as maybe being a middle of the rotation guy in 2010 and a #1-#2 in 2011.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK then the top of the rotation is Hudson and Gallagher
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson, Cahill, Gallagher, Mazzaro, and Simmons?
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In 2010? I think not
In 2011? I think not (you’re talking about three guys age 22-23).
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's nothing. Inoa's coming up at 17.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!!!!!
I’ll miss him, though, when he’s 23.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to sign a Wakefield-esque deal.
$5M option year, every year. He’s a career A.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras already has him on speed dial
But we’ll foil him by signing Michel to a 42 year contract.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
… just thinking out loud. Trying to figure out ways to get better.
Having Holliday for one year doesn’t do us much good if we don’t have the other pieces to win. Right now, I’d say we don’t have the pieces to win. And, I’m not seeing a lot of options where we find those pieces while keeping Holliday. Maybe there’s a three-way between San Diego-Atlanta-Oakland, but San Diego would have to see some serious propsects to give up Peavy and NOT get Escobar.
Signing Dunn and playing him at 1B is not really an option. The guy’s a disaster at 1B. We already have one debacle of a defensive disaster (Jack Cust) filling out DH spot, we don’t have room for another one.
Signing Randy Johnson is both unlikely and doesn’t put us over the top.
I’m not sure I’m disappointed that Furcal is going elsewhere (assuming he is going to the Braves). I was never too comfortable with giving the guy $10mm per year over four years. But, he would have been a significant upgrade over Crozbo, and would have put us in the discussion of competitors for the AL West without having to give anything up.
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 15, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not just keep Duke & Hudson out of the deal
That part doesn’t make much sense to me.
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by DMOAS on Dec 15, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's trying to give them a good pitcher for 2009 and salary relief
in the form of Hudson
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheeit!!
I’d keep Duke and Hudson out of that deal, but I don’t think Atlanta would. I’m not sure they’d give up Yunel, Heyward, Rohrbough, and Morton for Holliday…
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 15, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they won't
then why would they give up Hudson too? Duke < Hudson.
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by DMOAS on Dec 15, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
… Hudson just had TJ surgery, and he’s out until August 2009.
I’d pay $6.5 million for one or two months of Hudson in 2009, and $12 million for Hudson to be the anchor of our rotation in 2010. Our rotation would be a shitball sandwich in 2009, but in 2010 we could potentially have Hudson-Cahill-Anderson-Gallagher-Simmons… or whatever other prospect syou think will be in there. We’d still need some hitters though… Suzuki, Barton, Ellis, Pennington/Petit, Chavez, Cunningham, Sweeney, Buck, Carter needs some work.
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 15, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Yunel...
Suzuki ©, Barton (1b), Ellis (2b), Yunel (ss), Chavez (3b), Cunningham (lf), Heyward (cf), Buck (rf), Carter (dh)… with Donaldson as our backup C, Cardenas/Weeks as our backup middle-IF, and Sweeney as our 4th OF.. that would be a hell of a young lineup.
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 15, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And by "hell of a young lineup"...
… I mean really young, not necessarily really good.
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 15, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya I don't think Carter would displace Cust till 2011
Heyward is really a RF, so you’re still stuck with Sweeney in CF. Also he probably won’t be ready for full time duty till 2011. Cardenas and Weeks aren’t going to be on the bench. They’ll be in AAA if they’re not starting in the majors.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is so wacky, it's almost quaint
Frank Wren wasn’t born yesterday.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly where I was thinking -
Is there a package that doesn’t include Cahill or Anderson that might be enough to land Escobar? We have enough “darn good” prospects that it should be possible – especially if the Braves have a new SS and can well afford to part with Escobar to rebuild their pitching, etc.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, Frank Wren may be dumber
Than I give him credit for. But if someone like Yunel Escobar, who’s been talked about being traded for Jake Peavy, can go for Gio Gonzalez, I’ll be floored.
Quite frankly if Atlanta is signing Furcal and going for it, I don’t think we have a single pitcher that would land us Escobar. I don’t think they want prospects at this point, honestly.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give a whirl. Eh...
Mazzaro, H-Rodriguez, Carignan, Buck, Baisley? I really have no idea.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt they want Buck or Baisley with Schafer, Heyward, Gorkys and Chipper around
Gio has to be the most attractive non-AC pitcher right? Gio, Mazzaro and Simmons?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just threw Baisley in as a filler,
kind of like G. Smith, Patterson and Spencer were. What if they want Gio, Mazzaro, Simmons, and Carignan? You have your SS but your pitching ain’t so deep no mo’.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd not do that. I'd rather go after some other SS in that case.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem
Perhaps a more likely scenario has a combo going to Atlanta – if I’m Atlanta, I might ask about Gallagher, Mazzaro, a relief prospect (Carignan/Demel/Lansford) and a random position player “we always liked”.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably do that as long as the random player was in AA or below and
wasn’t Cardenas, Weeks or Carter.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really, though?
You think Atlanta, who’s been using Escobar as a centerpiece for Jake Peavy, is going to turn around and all of a sudden think Sean Gallagher and some minor leaguers that likely can’t help them this year is going to get it done?
This after they signed Rafael Furcal to a large contract, seemingly with the intent of winning in 2009?
I just don’t see what we have that they’re going to really want. Maybe, maybe Duke and other pieces, and if that’s the case I’d certainly go there. But I don’t think it is the case.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They probably think they're back in the Peavy thing with the Cubs having
dropped out supposedly.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they have the intent of winning in 2009,
they need to check the rest of their roster around Furcal. It screams “third place!!!”
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, shit
I agree with you on that much. But that apparently isn’t stopping them from pursuing Furcal.
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by walk off bunt on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Peavy
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my lords and ladies, let the banquet begin!
(strike up 15th century music…pan flutes, lyres, etc.)
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by ak_A on Dec 15, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Kinzer the lyre?
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's officially Tuesday
Time for Furcal to announce his decision.
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by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 8:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, it'll be Tuesday in 2 minutes.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to see if the door hits Furcal's ass on the way out
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was never in. It would hit him in the front.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The door will hit Furcal's ass, and break his back
and scare away all the other suitors. If he’s signed with another team, they can retract when he fails the physical b/c the door broke his ass.
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by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Prioirty #1
needs to be signing Matt Holliday to an extension!!!
8 years $160 milion…
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by MMunoz33 on Dec 15, 2008 9:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes although I don't go as high as 160MM, and don't think the A's will need to.
Holliday won’t get more than Teixeira.
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by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Teixeira looks like he's getting more than $160M, and Holliday could easily get more than him.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Teixeira is the only good FA at his position this year.
Holliday isn’t going to be that next year. He’ll be the best, but he won’t be the only good one.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who else is there?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bay, Nady, Damon, etc.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on Dec 15, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bay, Ankiel, Crawford, Nady, Damon, Dye, Vlad
according to Cots, anyway.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be willing to bet
that sabean will make a run at Vlad. esp after he was so pissed at missing him last time. plus, do you think he’ll be able to resist signing an overpaid passed his prime old guy two years in a row?
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by alea iacta est on Dec 15, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think Vlad will choose an AL team so he can DH?
By the end of his next contract it may not be a matter of choice.
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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
where vlad ends up, i don't know
but Sabean will try. i mean, they have molina hitting cleanup this year…
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by alea iacta est on Dec 15, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but Holliday's a lot better than those guys
Even Crawford unless he bounces back to pre-2008 form.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but there are a good number of options.
There was a total of ONE elite first baseman available this year.
by mikev on Dec 15, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like WAY too much money for the A's!
Is there another SS to target, or do we give up on it and have Crosby platoon with one of the young shortstops? Who’s next to go after?
by A'sfansince1970 on Dec 15, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think its a slap in the face to see that he does not want to sign with the A’s
i never wanted the A’s to sign furcal but he is a sure upgrade over the struggling crosby
but now to have him say this when we are offering him more than anyone else is just crazy
by Wreckonized on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh Well
This has happened to us before. Remember Keith Foulke in 2003? Anyhow you move on…
by uci anteater on Dec 15, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else think this is a blessing in disguise??
I mean c’mon. Rafael Furcal?? He’s 31, bad back….doesn’t want to be in the AL. He’ll be a huge drain on the payroll ; I don’t care how much cash we have.
I was skeptical when this all started but now it’s good riddance.
by uci anteater on Dec 15, 2008 9:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a blessing in disguise
Let’s trade Holliday for prospects, including a SS and stop this “2009 or Bust&

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