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MMMM: Will we see Cahill, Anderson & Mazzaro Sooner or Later?

Beane's mantra for the past year or so has been "young pitching, young pitching, young pitching". First, he made several trades to accumulate a cache of other organization's young pitching. Then he invested heavily in the 2008 draft to add even more depth to his own young pitching. Then he made even more trades for even more young pitching. And more recently he's making more trades and attempting to sign some free agents in order to give that young pitching some run support.

With all of that young pitching accumulated it's going to be awfully interesting to see how it all gels together next season. The 2009 starting rotation (now sans Greg Smith) looks like it will be Duke, Gallagher, Eveland, Gio and Braden/Outman to begin the season. Barring the addition of a Randy Johnson (unlikely - he wants to stay in the NL) or a Brad Penny (maybe not 100-percent healthy to start the year) that's certainly not a very imposing group. Duke was certainly a very good starter last season, but he's a major health risk and his BABIP luck will likely return to normal levels next season and his ERA will likely rise as a result. Gallagher has got the stuff to be a good starter but he's young and erratic. Eveland, with his new windup, is a nice pitcher but not really a number 3 starter on a contending team. Gio looked extremely erratic and hittable in his starts last season. Braden is a nice 5th starter but his ceiling is low and Outman may never really have the pitching repertoire to succeed as a starter (although his 96mph heater would be nice coming out of the pen).

Beane has already stated this off-season that he has no desire to add a veteran starter on a long-term deal (though he may add some minor league free agents for depth or get RJ or Penny on a 1-year deal if he's lucky), and yet he's looking to add offense and money to the payroll as if he's planning to contend immediately. What gives? The only thing that makes sense, IMHO, is that Beane thinks one or all of three things:

1) He really expects Duke to be healthy for most of the season,

2) He really believes that Gallagher and Gio (particularly) will have breakout seasons in 2009,

3) He really believes that Cahill, Anderson and/or Mazzaro are nearly major league ready and can have an impact on the starting staff immediately after being promoted.

Of those three options, number 3 seems to be the most believable. According to BA, there were times last season at High-A Stockton and at Midland where Cahill was so good that scouts remarked that he could dominate major league batters right now - or back then, as the case may be. His control still isn't perfect, but with that kind of praise and the stats to back it up, it's likely that Cahill is very close to breaking through. Anderson has totally carved up hitters at every stop and even made it up to Triple-A late last season while Mazzaro utterly dominated at Double-A last season.

Just a guess, but I'll bet the plan is for Duke, Gallagher, Eveland, Gio and Braden/Outman to hold down the fort for the first couple months of the season, letting the (hopefully) improved offense do to heavy lifting and keeping the team competitive, while Cahill, Anderson and Mazzaro fine tune and get going down in Sacramento. Then, come June, the young trio will gradually be mixed into the majors right when the team is hitting on all cylinders.

What do you think?

 

Poll
Will Trevor Cahill, Brett Anderson and/or Vince Mazzaro have positive impact(s) for the 2009 Oakland Athletic starting rotation?
1. Yes - all three will join the rotation at some point int 2009 and be successful.
69 votes
2. Just Anderson
66 votes
3. Just Cahill
42 votes
4. Just Mazzaro
11 votes
5. Just Cahill & Anderson
162 votes
6. Just Cahill & Mazzaro
5 votes
7. Just Mazzaro & Anderson
11 votes
9. No - all three will try and all will fail at getting MLB hitters out.
15 votes
10. No - But they will show enough promise to stay in the rotation for the 2nd half of the season
145 votes
11. No - they will all spend the entire season at Triple-A
96 votes

622 votes | Poll has closed

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by Taj Adib on Dec 15, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised to see Anderson in the second half if the team is doing well

but I’d be surprised to see Cahill.

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by mikeA on Dec 15, 2008 9:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Outside of a September callup, I don't think any of the three see the majors in 2009

And if they do, it’s a really, really bad thing because that means either a whole bunch of guys failed or a whole bunch of guys got hurt.

While I think those guys could pitch in the majors now and be replacement level, I don’t think if they come up in June they’ll actually be better than 5th starters. And I don’t think whoever the 5th starter is will be worse (or at least worse enough that starting the Anderson/Cahill clock will be worth it).

by thejd44 on Dec 15, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

who exactly comprises this alleged "whole bunch"?

I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 15, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

7 at minimum before that trio

Duke, Gallagher, Eveland, Gio, Braden, Outman, and Simmons.

PLUS, if we lose three starters, and need our 8th man… the season’s blown anyways…call up Mike Madsen

by ohmangoAs on Dec 15, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Exactly.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Dec 15, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand PT argument for Cahill and Anderson (although I don't agree) but why Mazzaro?

He pitched in AAA last year. How is he being rushed if he comes to the majors in the second half of 2009?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mazzaro is a different story

He’s a year older, he’s in his Rule 5 year anyway so there’s no strong roster-based incentive not to call him up, and he’s less valuable and, thus, less in need of the kid glove approach.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no reason

To hold them back if they are dominating in Sacramento. In order for them to continue to mature as players they need to play against the proper competition. If they struggle they will stay in the minors.

RIVER CATS: AAA CHAMPS!

by niallmack on Dec 15, 2008 10:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Option 4?

I think the 4th and most likely option is Billy will wait for the FA dust to settle and get his bargain signing just like every other year. However, this year it will more likely be a pitcher. I feel like his comment about a veteran pitcher is in-line with his policy about discussing free agents and keeps his cards close to his vest.

I hope I’m right because I’d hate to see any of these young guys rushed.

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by youdownwithOBP on Dec 15, 2008 10:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

simmons probably is on the same schedule

as the other three guys

I’d bet that one of these four sees a few starts this year.

I don’t know if they’d be content to bounce Outman back and forth between starting and relieving assuming he doesn’t make the rotation out of Spring Training. I’d think that if you make him a reliever for this season, then you just commit to that course and not use him for spot starts. Braden on the other hand is a natural swingman who you already feel comfortable using as a fifth starter or in the pen.

Gio has to have a good ST to make the rotation. hmm, the more I think about it, the less surprised I’d be to see Simmons get some starts this year.

by jakarta on Dec 15, 2008 10:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you're gonna see those guys' contracts purchased this early

As for the Projected Six current rotation candidates, I think there’s another important consideration for Beane, beyond the three that you listed:

It’s possible that he and his staff think that none of those guys will benefit from additional AAA time. In other words, he knows a few of them will struggle at times – Eveland, Gallagher, Gio – but that they need to have those struggles on the big club to get better.

Duke is a lock, obviously. And between Braden, Gallagher, and Eveland, none of them have anything to gain in AAA. I’d say that’s the 1-4, even though lots of people keep penciling in Braden at #5 or #6.

There could be some argument that Gio and Outman could use some more AAA time, but you could also argue that they’ve had enough.

So, even if a veteran starter would slightly improve the rotation, part of the logic could be, “I’ve got enough guys that I really want to see getting opportunities here. They’ll either sink or swim, long-term…but they’ve gained all that they can in the minors at this point. Either they’ll prove they can be MLB starters in ‘09, or they aren’t MLB starters, period.”

The only way he can find that out is to give them opportunities. 2009 is still a youth evaluation year, after all. It’s competitive, but it’s also evaluative at the same time.

One or two of them could break out, overachieve, and be traded if there’s a logjam in a year, just like Beane did with Greg Smith.

Oakland is a wonderful place to audition young pitchers, put a great defense behind them in a great pitcher’s park, watch them succeed and trade them while they have attractive contracts.

Anderson, Cahill, and Mazzaro: the list of starters who have succeeded in the AL at age 22 in the last decade is pretty darn short. 2010 is more realistic IMO. That extra development time for a young man can make a big difference.

And once they’ve proven they’re ready it’ll be time to trade “durable innings-eater” Dana Eveland – consecutive 200 IP seasons with a ~4.00 ERA under his belt – for prospects just as he’s about to get expensive, continuing the cycle.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2008 10:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Anderson and Cahill are only 21, actually

and the list of guys who’ve succeeded at their age recently is basically Felix Hernandez.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Outman, damn spot starter!

(The Letterman principle: if it was almost funny once, it’ll be even funnier beaten into the ground.)

I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 15, 2008 10:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think

Outman will be the man left out.

RIVER CATS: AAA CHAMPS!

by niallmack on Dec 15, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...man

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Dec 15, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope it's not necessary...

unless it’s an emergency call-up. Rushing these guys will do nothing to help.

by NateHST on Dec 15, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone's in favor of rushing these guys.

The question is are they going to be ready for a promotion this year.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rushing These Guys

I think everything depends upon how spring training works out. Beane needs to find a veteran pitcher who will be a solid starter behind Duke, Eveland, and Gallagher. The fifth spot isn’t as important because there are so many candidates, with the ones whose clocks have started - Gio, Outman, Braden - as the most obvious.

Eveland and Gallagher are both at a critical juncture in their careers. They’ve both had sufficient MLB time to adjust, and now either they step up or they fall by the wayside. Both had enough flashes to show that they could turn into solid MLB starters. This is the time.

The A’s must be well aware that injuries and ineffectiveness will probably play a role during the season, so everything really does depend upon who amongst Cahill/ Anderson/ Mazzaro /Simmons is closest to MLB-ready when needed. But it’s quite possible one of them WILL be ready.

by richwol1 on Dec 15, 2008 12:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I SEE BROWN ONES

VH fires you.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Dec 15, 2008 7:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Simmons

Will reach the majors before Mazzaro.

by Emmett89 on Dec 15, 2008 5:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did you think Simmons would reach AAA before Mazzaro?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you think I would reach AA before John Daly?

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by Nico on Dec 15, 2008 8:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Has AA reached John Daly?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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