AN Community Prospect List - #27

by Zonis on Dec 11, 2008 7:34 PM PST Comment 60 comments

Gregorio Petit, SS wins the #26th Slot with 32% of the vote by virtue of not being nicknamed Bones.

AthleticsNation Top Prospect List:

New Addition to the Candidates List: Cliff Pennington, SS
Dropped From List:
Testers: Javier Herrera, OF, Landon Powell, C

[x] removed due to ineligability (over 130 AB or 50 IP)

CANDIDATES:
Pitchers:
Andrew Bailey, RHP
Jared Lansford, RHP
Carlos Hernandez, LHP
Travis Banwart, RHP

Infielders/Catchers:
Dusty Coleman, SS
Jason Christian, SS
Petey Paramore, C
Cliff Pennington, SS

Outfielders:
Matt Spencer, OF/1B
Grant Desme, OF

POSSIBLES:
Pitchers:
Jason Fernandez, RHP
Ryan Webb, RHP
Michael Madsen, RHP
Jamie Richmond, RHP
Anthony Capra, LHP
Jeff Gray, RHP
Ryan Doolittle, RHP
Daniel Thomas, RHP
Ricardo Penalba, RHP
Scott Hodsen, RHP
Scott Mitchinson, RHP

Infield/Catcher:
Jeff Baisley, 3B
Anthony Recker, C
Justin Sellers, SS
Franklin Contreras, SS
Tommy Everidge, 1B
Joel Galarraga, C

Outfield:
Jeremy Barfield, OF
Tyreace House, OF
Robin Rosario, OF
Danny Putnam, OF
Jermaine Mitchell, OF
JD Pruit, OF
Chris Berroa, OF
Jose Crisostomo, OF
David Thomas, OF

If you have a suggestion for the next player to be put on the list, please say so in the comments.

Poll

Who is the A's #27 Prospect?

Andrew Bailey

33 votes

Jared Lansford

26 votes

Carlos Hernandez

17 votes

Travis Banwart

2 votes

Dusty Coleman

19 votes

Jason Christian

47 votes

Pete Paramore

6 votes

Cliff Pennington

42 votes

Matt Spencer

6 votes

Grant Desme

7 votes

205 votes | Poll has closed

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Comments

Prospect #27 should be

Jason Christian. Good D and a chance to be decent with the bat.

by ervance on Dec 11, 2008 7:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Powell is dropped then added on as a tester?

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by DMOAS on Dec 11, 2008 7:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

There's a couple of editing errors here

This is also Prospect #27, not #26.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 11, 2008 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If I take him to Kangeroo Court

Will you be my lawyer?

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by DMOAS on Dec 11, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still Christian bandwagon

Next would probably be Bailey or Pennington for me.

by DiegoAsFan on Dec 11, 2008 8:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I voted for Coleman

I’d take Coleman and Christian over everyone on the list now.

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by Zonis on Dec 11, 2008 8:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

up on the poll way back for prospect #8? Does that mean you have been voting for him since #17? I hope Coleman becomes a good prospect, but right now I prefer Christian of the remaining SS hopefuls. And I even rank Pennington higher than Coleman.

by ervance on Dec 11, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bailey!

Again….

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Dec 11, 2008 9:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed!

Again…..

by DeJay on Dec 12, 2008 1:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too

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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Dec 12, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Coleman.

Then Bailey, then Hernandez.

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by hero66 on Dec 11, 2008 9:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

you mean Coleman, then Christian, then Bailey, then Hernandez

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by Zonis on Dec 11, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Powell back on, please!

Would vote for him over all those guys

by harenshair on Dec 11, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Powell

Agreed, I’d put Powell on the list as well. I’m convinced he’s a longshot to make the pros, given the injury history, but I still see him as having an extremely high ceiling if he ever stays healthy and decides to keep the weight off.

by rageon on Dec 12, 2008 7:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I am still on Hernandez, then...

Christian, then Bailey.
Come on AN, Left handed, Starter, young, upside, consistent, what more do you want!

by Hang Man on Dec 11, 2008 9:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

a bat

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by Zonis on Dec 11, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bailey and Lansford

both belong ahead of Petit

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by LosAltosA's on Dec 11, 2008 10:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Bailey belong before anyone on this list.

by Syphon on Dec 11, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pennington's getting a lot of support given that no one's speaking up for him

I guess he’s pretty much guaranteed some kind of MLB career as a pinch-runner and defensive replacement, but he really kinda sucks.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 12, 2008 12:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

He seems pretty comparable to Petit to me ...

with a little more uncertainty and a little more upside (based on the possibility that he could cut his Ks and, thus perform like he did in Sac in 08) …

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by devo on Dec 12, 2008 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I voted for Petit, but not Pennington

I confess that’s based more on gut than any strict analysis, but for me at least the one doesn’t automatically follow the other.

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by iglew on Dec 12, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pennington

I expect it is because people have heard of him. I don’t think he would be a bad choice as he does have a decent skill set and is basically major league ready, but there are still a few guys I would have above him, although Petit is not one of them.

by DeJay on Dec 12, 2008 1:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pennington

I voted for Pennington because he’s a decent SS with good BB-K ratios. He’s major league ready and is already guaranteed to have at least a MLB career as a backup.

by jblanton on Dec 12, 2008 2:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ryan theriot part II

speed
defense
obp
plays w/ much energy

by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 12, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they're at all comparable

Theriot is not that fast, isn’t that good defensively at all, and you can’t really look at Theriot’s minor league numbers because the Cubs forced him to switch hit for a few years before they realized he wasn’t actually a switch hitter.

I don’t know what “plays w/ much energy” means, either.

by thejd44 on Dec 12, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hustle, grit, "knows how to play the game the right way", etc...

choose your own euphemism for “he tries really hard but still sucks”

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by Zonis on Dec 12, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

white guy

by ohmangoAs on Dec 12, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

SHORT white guy.

by mikev on Dec 12, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

not nessisarily

Scutaro is described like that, so was Neifi Perez. And its not limited to Middle Infielders, cause that also described Eric Byrnes.

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by Zonis on Dec 12, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, being white is one of the only similarities between the two

So I guess Asfan4ever is right about that part.

by thejd44 on Dec 12, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

Theriot hits for average. Pennington likely never will. He compares more as a Nick Punto.

"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox

by Gallagher's Watermelons on Dec 12, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

he had a weird career path

repeated AA/AAA a couple times
demoted a couple times
ditched switch hitting
then made the majors at age 27/28

pennington does have a similar skillset w/ some better defensive tools…the issue is hitting enough at a decent level

by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 12, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pennington might consider ditching switch hitting too

though in the other direction… his career OPS batting right-handed is almost 100 points lower than batting left-handed.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 12, 2008 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ben Copeland...

by asyouwish33 on Dec 12, 2008 12:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Lol

You can put him on the list of candidates but he ain’t top 30, that’s for sure.

Speaking of “on the list of candidates”… I’m getting puzzled as to why Ronny Morla isn’t on there… I’ve mentioned him like six times now.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 12, 2008 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I joke

I’m interested to see where the other international players we signed fall. Inoa got a lot of love, but what about Robin Rosario? I know he didn’t do very well first year, but he is only 17. I think we go experience over tools, but it would be interesting to know what people think.

by asyouwish33 on Dec 12, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Here are my rough groupings...

Prospects: Christian, Coleman, Galarraga

Fringe prospects: Bailey, Banwart, Hernandez, Lansford, Spencer, Paramore, Rosario

Outer fringe prospects: Thomas, Thomas, Barfield, Capra

Replacement level fodder (or soon to be): Pennington, Baisey, Gray, Recker, Everidge, Mitchell, Putnam, Webb, Copeland

Injury concern, but talented: Powell, Desme, Herrera

Organizational filler: Webb, Madsen, Richmond, Hodsen, Mitchinson, Doolittle, House, Berroa, Pruitt, Sellers

I don’t know who this is: Penalba, Chrisostomo, Contreras

by Danny on Dec 12, 2008 1:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Organizational Filler?

How are House, Berroa, and Sellers organization fillers when they are still somewhat young? Are these projections? House was just drafted.

by asyouwish33 on Dec 12, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

All organizational filler was just drafted

at some point.

by Danny on Dec 12, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Technically speaking,

anyone drafted after about the third round should be classified as organizational filler until they prove otherwise, given the rates of success of those prospects.

However, since his list didn’t actually DO that, your confusion is understandable…

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by PaulThomas on Dec 12, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I love how giving your personal opinion

is “technically speaking.”

by Danny on Dec 12, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not my personal opinion...

I think slapping the same label on Tyreace House and Erik Davis is basically silly. I’m just saying that if you wanted to make a narrowly technical argument based on average wins above replacement that anyone after that point is organizational filler until proven not so, I’d see where it was coming from.

Also, bite me.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 12, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If you think it's silly, say, "I think it's silly"

There is no technical entity called “organizational filler.” Saying “technically speaking” is just a way to make your personal opinion sound more important.

Also, Charlie. Also.

by Danny on Dec 12, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can you read?

I just said it wasn’t my personal opinion.

It was, perhaps, a poor choice of words. “From a certain point of view,” or “In a strict sense,” might have been more clear.

This pissing contest can end anytime, you know. I get that you’re trying to play Tritter to my Dr. House here, but that plot line was both tedious and annoying to the viewers.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 12, 2008 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You consider yourself the House of AN?

Yikes.

I’m done.

by Danny on Dec 12, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

are we still talking about Tyreace House here?

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by xbhaskarx on Dec 12, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No, but evidently you do

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by PaulThomas on Dec 12, 2008 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That show is great

But that plot line sucked my ass.

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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Dec 12, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, but

If I remember correctly, many people were all over House, Dixon, Coleman even though they were drafted past the third round simply for their tools. I understand organization filler as players drafted post third round, but their has to be some recognition for those players that dropped because of money concerns, i.e. House.

I do not understand Danny’s argument that organization fillers are drafted at some point. That is obvious but it doesn’t answer my question: how do we classify an organization filler?

by asyouwish33 on Dec 12, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

House wasn't one of the bonus babies

He signed for, essentially, slot money.

He is, however, sufficiently toolsy that I’d like to wait at least until he has a full season of play under his belt before slapping the “organizational filler” label on him.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 12, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

In my personal opinion

I consider the guys from the 2008 draft I put ahead of House to have either 1) better scouting reports, or 2) a better performance record after being drafted than him.

BA ranked House as the 154th best draft prospect in California last year, and he put up a .651 OPS as a 20 year old in Rookie League after being drafted. I’m sure he’s very fast, but I just don’t see any realistic hope of him someday being a prospect.

“Organizational filler” was my way of saying non-prospect who will likely never reach replacement level.

by Danny on Dec 12, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, with the caveat that later round picks who were signed over slot are exceptions

So maybe the better way to put it is “If somebody is drafted and signs for anything under 3rd round money” they’re organizational filler until they prove otherwise.

by thejd44 on Dec 12, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Question

You’ve got Webb listed twice, accident or a sign of deep-seeded meh?

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by grover on Dec 12, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's more like...

I started making the groupings last night, got distracted, found them still open in a tab this morning, forgot who I had already listed, and—apparently—changed my mind on Webb at some point between step 1 and step 4..

by Danny on Dec 12, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

OK

So Webb is…?

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by grover on Dec 12, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Filler.

by Danny on Dec 12, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't it early to call

tyreace house organizational filler? For some reason, I seem to him having a few new scouting reports.

by ohmangoAs on Dec 12, 2008 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Runoff again?

Christian and Pennington are still within 1%. Maybe I’m misreading the vote, but my guess is that Christian would win a runoff easily. My sense is that the young-talent vote is being split between Christian, Coleman, etc, while the close-to-MLB-now vote is all on Pennington now.

In fact, if Christian does prevail, I wonder if all the Christian votes would then go to Coleman or Bailey and they’d beat out Pennington, too.

By the same token, if Petit and Pennington had ever been on the same ballot, I wonder if they’d have split votes and Petit wouldn’t have ranked quite so high.

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by iglew on Dec 12, 2008 2:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs