AN Community Prospect List - #27
by Zonis on Dec 11, 2008 7:34 PM PST
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PrintGregorio Petit, SS wins the #26th Slot with 32% of the vote by virtue of not being nicknamed Bones.
AthleticsNation Top Prospect List:
- Trevor Cahill, RHP
- Brett Anderson, LHP
- Chris Carter, 3B/1B
- Aaron Cunningham, CF
- Gio Gonzalez, LHP
- Adrian Cardenas, SS/2B
- Sean Doolittle, 1B/RF
- James Simmons, RHP
- Vin Mazzaro, RHP
- Josh Donaldson, C
- Michel Inoa, RHP
- Jemile Weeks, 2B
- Henry Rodriguez, RHP
- Rashun Dixon, CF
- Fautino De Los Santos, RHP
- Arnold Leon, RHP
- Josh Outman, LHP
- Corey Brown, CF
- Brett Hunter, RHP
- Sam Demel, RHP
- Andrew Carignan, RHP
- Tyson Ross, RHP
- Nino Leyja, SS
- Matt Sulentic, OF
- Craig Italiano, RHP
- Gregorio Petit, SS
New Addition to the Candidates List: Cliff Pennington, SS
Dropped From List:
Testers: Javier Herrera, OF, Landon Powell, C
[x] removed due to ineligability (over 130 AB or 50 IP)
CANDIDATES:
Pitchers:
Andrew Bailey, RHP
Jared Lansford, RHP
Carlos Hernandez, LHP
Travis Banwart, RHP
Infielders/Catchers:
Dusty Coleman, SS
Jason Christian, SS
Petey Paramore, C
Cliff Pennington, SS
Outfielders:
Matt Spencer, OF/1B
Grant Desme, OF
POSSIBLES:
Pitchers:
Jason Fernandez, RHP
Ryan Webb, RHP
Michael Madsen, RHP
Jamie Richmond, RHP
Anthony Capra, LHP
Jeff Gray, RHP
Ryan Doolittle, RHP
Daniel Thomas, RHP
Ricardo Penalba, RHP
Scott Hodsen, RHP
Scott Mitchinson, RHP
Infield/Catcher:
Jeff Baisley, 3B
Anthony Recker, C
Justin Sellers, SS
Franklin Contreras, SS
Tommy Everidge, 1B
Joel Galarraga, C
Outfield:
Jeremy Barfield, OF
Tyreace House, OF
Robin Rosario, OF
Danny Putnam, OF
Jermaine Mitchell, OF
JD Pruit, OF
Chris Berroa, OF
Jose Crisostomo, OF
David Thomas, OF
If you have a suggestion for the next player to be put on the list, please say so in the comments.
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Powell is dropped then added on as a tester?
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There's a couple of editing errors here
This is also Prospect #27, not #26.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
If I take him to Kangeroo Court
Will you be my lawyer?
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Didn't you have Coleman
up on the poll way back for prospect #8? Does that mean you have been voting for him since #17? I hope Coleman becomes a good prospect, but right now I prefer Christian of the remaining SS hopefuls. And I even rank Pennington higher than Coleman.
Bailey!
Again….
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Me too
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Dec 12, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I am still on Hernandez, then...
Christian, then Bailey.
Come on AN, Left handed, Starter, young, upside, consistent, what more do you want!
Bailey and Lansford
both belong ahead of Petit
Stay calm. I'm a relatively respectable citizen -- a multiple felon, perhaps, but certainly not dangerous
Bailey belong before anyone on this list.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Pennington's getting a lot of support given that no one's speaking up for him
I guess he’s pretty much guaranteed some kind of MLB career as a pinch-runner and defensive replacement, but he really kinda sucks.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
He seems pretty comparable to Petit to me ...
with a little more uncertainty and a little more upside (based on the possibility that he could cut his Ks and, thus perform like he did in Sac in 08) …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
I voted for Petit, but not Pennington
I confess that’s based more on gut than any strict analysis, but for me at least the one doesn’t automatically follow the other.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
Pennington
I expect it is because people have heard of him. I don’t think he would be a bad choice as he does have a decent skill set and is basically major league ready, but there are still a few guys I would have above him, although Petit is not one of them.
Pennington
I voted for Pennington because he’s a decent SS with good BB-K ratios. He’s major league ready and is already guaranteed to have at least a MLB career as a backup.
ryan theriot part II
speed
defense
obp
plays w/ much energy
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 12, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think they're at all comparable
Theriot is not that fast, isn’t that good defensively at all, and you can’t really look at Theriot’s minor league numbers because the Cubs forced him to switch hit for a few years before they realized he wasn’t actually a switch hitter.
I don’t know what “plays w/ much energy” means, either.
by thejd44 on Dec 12, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
hustle, grit, "knows how to play the game the right way", etc...
choose your own euphemism for “he tries really hard but still sucks”
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not nessisarily
Scutaro is described like that, so was Neifi Perez. And its not limited to Middle Infielders, cause that also described Eric Byrnes.
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Actually, being white is one of the only similarities between the two
So I guess Asfan4ever is right about that part.
by thejd44 on Dec 12, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Agree
Theriot hits for average. Pennington likely never will. He compares more as a Nick Punto.
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Dec 12, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
he had a weird career path
repeated AA/AAA a couple times
demoted a couple times
ditched switch hitting
then made the majors at age 27/28
pennington does have a similar skillset w/ some better defensive tools…the issue is hitting enough at a decent level
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 12, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Pennington might consider ditching switch hitting too
though in the other direction… his career OPS batting right-handed is almost 100 points lower than batting left-handed.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Lol
You can put him on the list of candidates but he ain’t top 30, that’s for sure.
Speaking of “on the list of candidates”… I’m getting puzzled as to why Ronny Morla isn’t on there… I’ve mentioned him like six times now.
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I joke
I’m interested to see where the other international players we signed fall. Inoa got a lot of love, but what about Robin Rosario? I know he didn’t do very well first year, but he is only 17. I think we go experience over tools, but it would be interesting to know what people think.
by asyouwish33 on Dec 12, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Here are my rough groupings...
Prospects: Christian, Coleman, Galarraga
Fringe prospects: Bailey, Banwart, Hernandez, Lansford, Spencer, Paramore, Rosario
Outer fringe prospects: Thomas, Thomas, Barfield, Capra
Replacement level fodder (or soon to be): Pennington, Baisey, Gray, Recker, Everidge, Mitchell, Putnam, Webb, Copeland
Injury concern, but talented: Powell, Desme, Herrera
Organizational filler: Webb, Madsen, Richmond, Hodsen, Mitchinson, Doolittle, House, Berroa, Pruitt, Sellers
I don’t know who this is: Penalba, Chrisostomo, Contreras
Organizational Filler?
How are House, Berroa, and Sellers organization fillers when they are still somewhat young? Are these projections? House was just drafted.
All organizational filler was just drafted
at some point.
Technically speaking,
anyone drafted after about the third round should be classified as organizational filler until they prove otherwise, given the rates of success of those prospects.
However, since his list didn’t actually DO that, your confusion is understandable…
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I love how giving your personal opinion
is “technically speaking.”
It's not my personal opinion...
I think slapping the same label on Tyreace House and Erik Davis is basically silly. I’m just saying that if you wanted to make a narrowly technical argument based on average wins above replacement that anyone after that point is organizational filler until proven not so, I’d see where it was coming from.
Also, bite me.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
If you think it's silly, say, "I think it's silly"
There is no technical entity called “organizational filler.” Saying “technically speaking” is just a way to make your personal opinion sound more important.
Also, Charlie. Also.
Can you read?
I just said it wasn’t my personal opinion.
It was, perhaps, a poor choice of words. “From a certain point of view,” or “In a strict sense,” might have been more clear.
This pissing contest can end anytime, you know. I get that you’re trying to play Tritter to my Dr. House here, but that plot line was both tedious and annoying to the viewers.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
You consider yourself the House of AN?
Yikes.
I’m done.
are we still talking about Tyreace House here?
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No, but evidently you do
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
That show is great
But that plot line sucked my ass.
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Dec 12, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed, but
If I remember correctly, many people were all over House, Dixon, Coleman even though they were drafted past the third round simply for their tools. I understand organization filler as players drafted post third round, but their has to be some recognition for those players that dropped because of money concerns, i.e. House.
I do not understand Danny’s argument that organization fillers are drafted at some point. That is obvious but it doesn’t answer my question: how do we classify an organization filler?
House wasn't one of the bonus babies
He signed for, essentially, slot money.
He is, however, sufficiently toolsy that I’d like to wait at least until he has a full season of play under his belt before slapping the “organizational filler” label on him.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
In my personal opinion
I consider the guys from the 2008 draft I put ahead of House to have either 1) better scouting reports, or 2) a better performance record after being drafted than him.
BA ranked House as the 154th best draft prospect in California last year, and he put up a .651 OPS as a 20 year old in Rookie League after being drafted. I’m sure he’s very fast, but I just don’t see any realistic hope of him someday being a prospect.
“Organizational filler” was my way of saying non-prospect who will likely never reach replacement level.
Agreed, with the caveat that later round picks who were signed over slot are exceptions
So maybe the better way to put it is “If somebody is drafted and signs for anything under 3rd round money” they’re organizational filler until they prove otherwise.
by thejd44 on Dec 12, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Question
You’ve got Webb listed twice, accident or a sign of deep-seeded meh?
The monster at the end of this blog.
It's more like...
I started making the groupings last night, got distracted, found them still open in a tab this morning, forgot who I had already listed, and—apparently—changed my mind on Webb at some point between step 1 and step 4..
Isn't it early to call
tyreace house organizational filler? For some reason, I seem to him having a few new scouting reports.
Runoff again?
Christian and Pennington are still within 1%. Maybe I’m misreading the vote, but my guess is that Christian would win a runoff easily. My sense is that the young-talent vote is being split between Christian, Coleman, etc, while the close-to-MLB-now vote is all on Pennington now.
In fact, if Christian does prevail, I wonder if all the Christian votes would then go to Coleman or Bailey and they’d beat out Pennington, too.
By the same token, if Petit and Pennington had ever been on the same ballot, I wonder if they’d have split votes and Petit wouldn’t have ranked quite so high.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
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