C.C. Signs With The Yankees
This all according to ESPN
LAS VEGAS -- The New York Yankees were "very close" to a preliminary agreement with CC Sabathia on Wednesday morning, following an in-person meeting between Yankees GM Brian Cashman and Sabathia in California, a baseball source with knowledge of the deal told ESPN.com.

Sabathia
Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney the deal offered by the Yankees is now worth $160 million over seven years -- the most money ever paid a pitcher in major league history. The team had originally offered six years and $140 million.
Boy, this sure surprises noone. What's interesting is that there are rumors that the Yankees are intending to sign Burnett and Lowe as well. It must be nice to have a ridiculous payroll *sigh*. It's also interesting to note that this deal is 'only' paying C.C. 4.2 million per win. This is significantly under values of levels past. I think FanGraphs has a post about this today, but it's still fun to look at all the FA contracts and compare them to years past.
The last thing I wanted to mention is that with the Yankees' probable primary intentions of signing two more pitchers, it takes them out of any Texeira sweepstakes they may have been in. I'm not sure that Tex is really going to want to sign with the Nats unless he gets blown away, and same goes for the O's. I have a bad feeling that he is going to sign with the Angels, and that sucks. I want the A's to be as close (or of course, better) to the Angels' true talent level as possible, and a Tex signing will make me very sad. Here's hoping we get a certain phalicly named veteran pitcher, an oft discussed shortstop (Furcal or Cabrera for me), and one more hitting upgrade.
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In 1978
You could have bought the A’s for 9 million. This just disgusts me, if you have to pay 4.2 mil per win. Charlie Finley really blew it in 1975 he opened pandora’s box. Feh
Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969
by billyball1981 on Dec 10, 2008 7:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
in 1928, a loaf of bread cost a nickel
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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame the confédération des boulangers
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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FA was inevitable...
…Finley was just the one tagged with ushering it in. The union was gaining strength almost daily, and it would have happen within a few years anyway.
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by UncleLeo on Dec 10, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
joke
Baseballs biggest flaw is wide open again
by Spidz34 on Dec 10, 2008 7:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fuck fuck fuck fuck.
I really don’t care about CC. i wanted him to be a Giant though. It fits him perfectly. CC’s Bartolo Colon Part Deux.
As long as SOMEBODY not named Angels or Red Sox gets Teixeira, I’m fine.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 7:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
sadly, I think he winds up with one of those two teams
by OaklandSi on Dec 10, 2008 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nats made an offer to him
6/$180m
Say something funny.
by muffinpryde on Dec 10, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops.
8/$180m
Say something funny.
by muffinpryde on Dec 10, 2008 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let the dominos fall...
TexMex should be the next to fall… I think it’ll be Boston.
If that happens you’ll see the Angels push hard for Manny Ramirez.
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by brenarlo on Dec 10, 2008 8:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the Yankees may counter with a Manny Ramirez deal
NIce to see these two small market teams as major players in free agency.
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by franks a lot on Dec 10, 2008 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible that the Yanks get...
CC, Lowe, Burnett, and Sheets. Unlikely, yes, with Wang and Joba on the staff already.
Which is fine with me. CC is overworked… Burnett is never as good as his Ks are… Sheets is always hurt.
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by brenarlo on Dec 10, 2008 8:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Burnett and Sheets = Injury Risk
C.C. is probably going to tail off some, but is still going to be ridiculously good. I hope they sign Manny though.
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 8:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
There's an opt out clause!!!
After 3 years, CC can opt out.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 8:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Manny
Teixeira goes to Boston; Angels sign Manny; dodgers now embarrassed and make desperate pitch to keep Furcal
by windyfelix on Dec 10, 2008 8:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately you may be right about Furcal...
that’s why Oakland needs to get him now.
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by brenarlo on Dec 10, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
meh
CC’s good, but as I and others have argued, he’s Bartolo Colon’s body on Randy Johnson’s frame. He’s a career-tailspin injury waiting to happen. Plus, the Yankees grossly overpaid, there’s the opt-out clause, evcen if they sign/acquire all those pitchers they’ll still becarrying massive financial commitments and injury/performance risks … and then there’s the revenue sharing aspect.
And he didn’t sign with the Angels. All is right in the world from this angle.
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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 9:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
There’s some evidence – well, anecdotal evidence at least – that heftier pitchers might actually be a little more durable than average. So I’m not sure that’s really a big deal. But on the other hand, pretty much every pitcher is a career-tailspin injury waiting to happen, so I agree that ultimately this has a good chance of being a bad contract.
On the third hand (the prehensile tail?), if you’re so sure he’s going to get hurt, shouldn’t you want the Angels to be the one paying for it? I’m terrified that with Sabathia off the table they’ll go all in on Teixeira, who’s as good a long-term health and performance bet as you’ll ever find on the free agent market.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Dec 10, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
heftier *power* pitchers, though?
Clemens is the only thickly-built durable power pitcher I can think of immediately, and he (by all unproven suspicions) had some, shall we say, assistance. Let’s agree that the jury’s out on that one.
Sabathia, I think we both agree, is a good acquisition, even at a premium cost, for the next two seasons. Beane apparently feels that that coincides with the A’s window of competitive opportunity (unless his endgame all along was/remains to flip Holliday in July … which wouldn’t necessarily surprise me), so I’m happy to see the Angels not have him in the short term, even if a long-term commitment could have proven costlier to them (which it wouldn’t have to the degree it could with the Yankees, due to the alleged East Coast premium CC apparently required to not sign with a CA team).
And everything I’ve been seeing on Teixeira indicates that the Red Sox and Nats are in a bidding war, and the Slegna don’t want to go beyond 6y. I agree with your assessment in principle (that we don’t want Tex on the Slegna), but it seems unlikely to happen. And if it does, it’ll be at a massive premium, so there’s some small comfort in that.
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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh
I’m thinking of Schmidt, Penny, Colon…
Free agent pitchers in general=risky proposition. The successes, Clemens, Maddox, Pedro, Unit, seem pretty rare.
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by Buck Turgidson on Dec 10, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
question
Teixeira, who’s as good a long-term health and performance bet as you’ll ever find on the free agent market.
If that’s the case, shouldn’t the A’s pursue him?
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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
It depends on:
a) What their budget is short- and medium-term;
b) What they really think of Barton (and to a lesser extent, Cust, Doolittle, and Carter);
c) Whether they have any plans on keeping Holliday, who I also think is in that category.
It’s not going to happen, which I suspect is more because of a) than the other considerations.
The other point is that to some extent the market does a good job of pricing in risk, which takes away some of the attraction: Teixeira is inherently a safer bet to stay productive on a year-to-year basis than someone like Dunn or Burrell, but if you need to commit to 8 years to get the former, and only 4 or 5 years to get one of the latter two, then the overall risk in those contracts might end up being comparable.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Dec 10, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
given the choice, would you sign Teixeira, extend Holliday, or neither?
Seems to me that, given the anecdotal new MLB-wide emphasis on defensive value and data-driven analysis, as expensive as Teixeira is, Holliday is going to be even more expensive.
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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They seem very close to me
at least at first glance:
Teixeira 134 OPS+/.389 wOBA, Holliday 131 OPS+/.402 wOBA
Teixeira +3.5 UZR at 1B, Holliday +6 UZR in LF
Both apparently healthy
Same age, though Holliday will be a year older when he hits free agency
Unless something dramatic happens to Holliday this year, like he struggles now that he’s outside of Colorado or he succumbs to Athleticitis and develops a bad back, I expect he’ll get the same kind of offers that Teixeira’s getting now. Which probably puts Oakland out of the running.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Dec 10, 2008 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Athleticitis." Nice.
When a player is removed from the roster (by whatever means), I guess that would be an Athle- … Hunh. A couple options there. Athleticectomy. Athletectomy. Athlectomy. I think I like the last one.
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by monkeyball on Dec 11, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh great
that’s going to be the next A’s promotional ploy
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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 11, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say they grossly overpaid
they might be overpaying a little though, but C.C. if one of the few significant impact players out there.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cc-sabathia-signs-with-yankees
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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
I meant, in relation to what other clubs were (apparently) offering/prepared to offer. Relative as opposed to absolute value.
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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seven years for any pitcher making over
$10 million a season is just dangerous. But 20+ million dollars? Kevin 7/105 Brown, anyone?
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 10, 2008 9:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad my club doesn't have to overspend to be competitive
What an albatross of a contract.
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by Joey C. on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come off it
No negative performance indicators.
Pristine health record.
Damn near 500 innings pitched the last two seasons.
How many pitchers can say that? Well, one. Sabathia is absolutely worth the money to a team, like the Yankees, that can spend it.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 10, 2008 10:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but aren't the Yanks all about the postseason?
Sabathia has butchered the last two. Sure it’s a small sample size but he was overworked in 2007— led to a slow start in 2008. And the Brewers— if they had advanced past Round 1— would have paid a price for all those short rest starts they imposed on CC.
I don’t think it’s a bad singing and I don’t think he’s an arm injury waiting to happen. But I do wonder about his durability within the context of a long season culminating with October competition.
by windyfelix on Dec 10, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who said "arm injury waiting to happen"?
He’s chronic back and groin injuries waiting to happen.
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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
Ever heard of Vasily Alexeev? A legendary Russian weightlifter, first human to lift 500 pounds from the floor to over his head. If you were to take a look at pictures of him in his heyday in the early to mid 70s, most people, people who didn’t know weightlifting, would assume that, he was a chronic back and groin injuries waiting to happen: he had a HUGE belly. His clean and jerk weight in the 1976 Olympics, was only very slightly, as in a few pounds, less than the clean an jerk weight of the gold medalist in the 2008 Olympics.
My point? Without knowing just what Sabathia is doing for his workouts, everyone pontificating about his pontential health problems is just engaging in wild speculation. As Sabathia himself said in a recent interview, linked by Neyer, until someone has worked out with him, and can keep up, they should just shut up.
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by rfloh on Dec 10, 2008 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify further,
you can’t judge someone’s physical fitness visually, not from TV, while they’re wearing clothes. Especially not based on conventional societal standards of aesthetics.
For example, people often joke about an athlete’s big ass, “fat” ass. The ass muscles are among the biggest and strongest muscles in the body. In most sports, having strong and well developed ass muscles is very important to success. That “fat” looking ass, in long pants, could be fat. Or, it could be lots of muscle, or lots of muscle under a layer of fat.
The male model look, six pack abs, a flat ass, nice tits and arms, isn’t necessarily a good indication of physical fitness for most sports.
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by rfloh on Dec 10, 2008 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's why I only watch naked people on tv
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by monkeyball on Dec 11, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds used to have a "choke in the playoffs" tag
and then he had the 2002 postseason…I don’t think that players necessarily choke in the playoffs, it’s probably due more to smaller sample size and greater opposition talent level.
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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
The playoffs is far too small a sample size to say a given player “choked.” Guys do have bad stretches, and sometimes they come at regrettable times.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 10, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On a tangent
I feel like I saw a study done at THT a little while ago about teams winning percentage in the playoffs and their player’s postseason experience. I forget all the logistics, but I think that the result came out to be that teams with 0 experience faired slightly (but statistically significant) worse than teams with 1+ years experience, or something like that.
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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read the same article
and the impression I was left with was that whichever way it swung, the effect was miniscule.
Contrast, say, the NCAA tournament, where veteran teams and especially veteran coaches (who don’t leave after 4 years) make a statistically significant difference in how deep teams go in the tournament. (Hint for your office brackets: always pick Louisville to go a round farther than they “should” based on their seed [b/c of Pitino]. You’ll come out ahead in the long run.)
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by PaulThomas on Dec 10, 2008 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya you're right, it was miniscule for MLB.
however, don’t tell Duke fans veteran coaches fair better, lol. But really, it makes sense that vet coaches can somehow beneficially influence teams they’ve been around for a while. that’s exactly why i love college basketball (and football to some extent), because unlike other sports (like baseball) there seem to be a lot more “intangible” things that come into play rather than just a person’s WPA, WAR, UZR, BRAA, yadda yadda.
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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even with Duke's recent run of underachieving, though,
Krzyzewski’s teams overachieved so insanely in his early career that he still comes out as one of the best tournament coaches. He’s just odd in that he seems to have gotten worse rather than better…
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by PaulThomas on Dec 10, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well they're not exactly the top college basketball school anymore, are they?
doesn’t that have to affect their recruitment process at least a little bit? I mean, that’s not to say they aren’t ONE of the top schools, but they aren’t like USC is to college football at the moment. I have to think that Kryzewski may have suffered a little bit of a talent drop off. Of course, I’m more of a casual fan and usually focus on UCLA and my hatred of USC. If Howland has half the career Kryzewski does, I will be one happy camper.
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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so
Duke’s always gotten the pick of the “academically gifted/no strong local ties” group. Then Stanford, Purdue and Vanderbilt squabble over their… ok, I don’t want to draw a 6-game suspension from the commish, so we’ll say squabble over their unchosen options.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 11, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"the impression I was left with was that whichever way it swung, the effect was miniscule."
TWSS
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by monkeyball on Dec 11, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great signing by the Yanks
CC is an absolute workhorse. As Paul stated, he has a perfect health record (even if he’s a big guy), pitches every 5th day (and every 4th day, as the Brewers displayed) and has excellent career numbers.
Growing up in Fairfield, I’m only sad the Vallejo native didn’t receive a worthwhile offer closer to home and in the National League. I grew up watching him send home runs sailing WAY out of the yard. It would be exciting to see this guy in the National League because he is an established hitter with a ton of power.
In regards to remaining in the American League, the A’s have always faired pretty well against him and I hope that trend continues with his years in pinstripes.
by BillMoresi on Dec 10, 2008 11:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually a little disapointed in CC's choice
I know, I know, I know. We can’t hold these athletes to our ideals, and I sure wouldn’t turn down $161mm if the Yankees offered it to me. But, once again, how much money do you need? I believed quality of life meant something to him, and he’s a California kid. I’m sure CC could’ve signed for a west coast team for well over $100mm at some point, and isn’t that enough money to live well and pass on to your kids? I genuinely like CC and always picture him with his cap tilted off to the side, which I never considered “disrespectful to the game.” I also had hoped he’d land on the Giants, and not because I thought the Giants would get stuck with another albatross of a contract. Now I’ll have to root against him. And when he gets stung by the criticism of the New York press, well, he can go count his ble$$ings.
by guapobob on Dec 10, 2008 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the "hometown" thing at all
These guys are on the road for half the summer anyway, and their “home” games they have precious little “free” time (the ones with families) and/or spend 90% of their free time playing video games inside a gilded cage.
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by monkeyball on Dec 10, 2008 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you have to look at it from their point of view
I worked for a while with a guy who had spent a few years in the majors. I was asking him if there was any hometown or organizational loyalty, and he said that for the vast majority of guys, by the time you get to the majors you’ve already played in two or three organizations, all your friends have played in two or three organizations, you’ve been away from home and treated as a commodity since you were 17, you’ve lived in 10 different cities/towns, you’re away from home 8 months of the year, etc. … in short, no. It doesn’t matter what team you grew up rooting for because you’ve already played them 50 times and gotten over it. Besides, they didn’t draft you, help you, etc., and if they did, they probably traded you. He wasn’t a fan of any team at all and honestly seemed completely burned out on the sport. So you take the best deal you can get from the best team you can get and hope there’s another deal afterward.
by jdr on Dec 10, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We differ on a couple issues here.
Firstly, CC is a pretty smart dude. A lot of the reports talking about him asking NY representatives about the lifestyle and all the non-baseball stuff in NYC. I mean, aside from the Yankees, NYC is a pretty damn cool place. Especially if you have 160 million dollars.
Secondly, I can’t stand the sideways hat thing. At all.
by mikev on Dec 10, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
I’m just glad he didn’t sign with the Angels. Now here’s to hoping they miss out on Tex too.
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by lenscrafters on Dec 10, 2008 12:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dismantle the Angels!
MLB.com’s Bill Ladson reports that the Nationals have offered Mark Teixeira an eight-year, $180 million contract.
Hard to resist that kind of cash. The Angels could take another significant hit.
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by Steve in Napa on Dec 10, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just watch the rangers come in and sign up Burnett and Sheets
just to spoil my hopes of topping the Angels for division favorites in the preseason.
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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oops...meaning that the Rangers will be the favorites.
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Favorites if those guys are healthy
And if their offense remains hot stuff without Bradley and with Young in slow but steady decline.
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by Nico on Dec 10, 2008 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya, well I think at this current moment, I'm just as worried about the Rangers
as I am about the Angels. No doubt the Angels are better (at least slightly) than the Rangers right now, and I don’t foresee the Rangers going after any big names (although trades are a definite possibility), but I don’t think the Rangers are that far off from contention (as witnessed by PT’s projections). I kind of hate the Rangers a lot too (albeit not as much as Slegna) and the Mariners are really the only team in our division I can stomach. If the Rangers beat us next year in the standings, I will be very sad.
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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 10, 2008 8:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Three way trade!
Angels get: Bobby Crosby
Rangers Get: Rally Monkey, Thunder Sticks, Giambi’s gold thong and mustache (if he signs)
A’s get: The Ballpark in Arlington (our offensive problems are solved! no Raffy Furcal! yay?)
Of course, you can interchange the Ballpark in Arlington for Tom Hicks wallet or any pitcher in the Rangers farm system (it’s 99% guaranteed they blossom as soon as they are traded!)
by Mulders Marauder on Dec 10, 2008 8:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can we PLEASE give teh Angels Giambi's gold thong
They deserve it more.
Dude. This.
by Blicks on Dec 10, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What would be fair to ask in return?
Chris Bootcheck?
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