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Oakland A's Homecoming 2010: Everyone's Invited!

Much of this organization's focus for the past year or two has been on the bright and shiny future of the franchise...and for good reason. On the field, talented rookies have been debuting at a record-setting pace and the minor league system has been transformed into one of the best and most dynamic in Major League Baseball. Off the field, the new(ish) ownership group has shown sincere interest and legitimate (albeit piecemeal) progress towards keeping the team in the Bay Area long-term and building a new baseball-only venue. 

And yet, over the past year, the organization has taken steps towards reaching out and reclaiming some pieces of it's past glory days. First off, owner Lew Wolff revealed to AN that the A's would be bringing Rickey Henderson back into the organization to serve in an as-of-yet undefined role. Then, the team actually retained the services of one of their most popular and respected players of recent years by re-signing Mark Ellis beyond his initial team-controlled "6+1 option" year seasons. Just a few weeks ago, the team then announced that former utility-stud of the "Bash Brother" era Mike Gallego was returning to the team to be 3rd base coach and infield instructor for 2009, and soon after, the team announced that the organization's former strength and conditioning coach (Bob Alejo) will be returning to Oakland to resume his old position. Now, numerous independent media sources report that the A's will at least consider the idea of signing former Oakland MVP and homegrown star Jason Giambi to a free agent contract this winter...

Just for the fun of it, I started thinking about how far this "Homecoming" of sorts could logically, sensibly, plausibly, go. Obviously, the process would begin with Giambi. The soon-to-be 38 year old remains a strong offensive producer and while he's a liability defensively, his playing-time at 1st could be limited (with him able to split DH duties with Cust) and he'd instantly boost an offense that sorely lacked both slugging and on-base abilities last season. In the meantime, he could buy some time for both Daric Barton and Sean Doolittle to even-out their performances at the plate in the upper minors in 2009. Sources say Giambi is looking for a multi-year deal. I believe that a 1-year deal with an easily attainable 2010 option could be enough to entice him to come back home and possibly retire where it all began for him.

Next, I thought about other former Oakland Athletics that 1) are still playing professional baseball, 2) will be freely available within a year or two, 3) might still be productive through 2010 and 4) wouldn't completely block a hot-prospect. IMHO, that left me with Miguel Tejada and Tim Hudson.

Tejada is certainly not the MVP-caliber player he was during his time with the A's. However, he remains a decent shortstop with a little pop relative to his position. It remains to be seen how he'll hold up over the course of next season, but several factors could combine to make him an A's target next off-season. First off, one way or another, Bobby Crosby will not be the A's shortstop one year from now. At the very least, his contract will expire at the end of next season and he will move on to greener other pastures. Thanks to a couple nice picks in the 2008 draft (Nino Leyja, Jason Christian, Dusty Coleman) the A's have a couple of promising shortstop prospects in the minors; however, they will likely not be MLB ready until after 2010.  Cliff Pennington is more of a utility-guy than an everyday shorstop (ditto Gregorio Petit), leaving the A's in need of a likely one-year stop-gap for 2010. Enter Tejada, whose mammoth 6-year contract ends after 2009; he'll be a free agent at the exact time the A's could most use him and by that time, he'll only be looking for a short-term deal. Provided the A's still have a gaping hole at short come a year from now, Tejada still has enough range to handle the position and he can still slug above .400 and hit .270-.280ish, he just might be an ideal stop-gap solution.

Star-divide

Of course, in an ideal world, the A's will trade Bobby Crosby in the next few weeks and use some combination of Huston Street/Travis Buck/pitching prospects to either get an established big-league shortstop that can contribute immediately (J.J. Hardy) or a premium shortstop prospect that'll be good to go in 2010 (Reid Brignac, Alcides Escobar). Even if either of those two scenarios were to happen, I could still see some room on the roster for Tejada. By that time, Eric Chavez could be totally unable to play defense on a regular basis, necessitating the need for a guy that can step in and provide some pop at the 3rd base position: enter Tejada again, who has resisted moving to 3rd in the past, but after revealing he's two years older than previously thought and not the sprightly ball of energy he used to be, might be inclined to at least try-out the position on a part-time basis. And even if Chavez were to be 100-percent healthy AND the A's had a solid player st short by that time, Tejada could certainly be one helluva left-side of the infield utility guy...

Then there's Tim Hudson. Of the Big Three, Huddy, to me, was the hardest to see go. He was the consummate bulldog on the mound and seemed like an awesome team-first, ra-ra, but also hard-assed, cheerleading type leader...which is exactly why I think the A's could use him in their 2010 rotation. By that time, Justin Duchscherer will likely be on his way to a big payday in free agency, while top prospects Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson will be ready to join the big league rotation. Duke's likely departure will leave the A's with a very young and mostly inexperienced rotation that will likely be in need of some veteran guidance: enter Hudson.

Huddy's currently on the shelf and is scheduled to miss the bulk of 2009 with Tommy John surgery. After next season, the Braves and Huddy hold a $12 million mutual option for 2010. I'm not entirely sure what the "mutual option" means in terms of whether both parties have to agree in order to have it vest...if that is the case, the Braves will certainly decline their end of the agreement and pay him a $1 million buyout, which would make him a free agent. At that point, you could see the Braves have mild interest in re-signing Huddy at a lower salary, but at that time the Braves will likely be in re-building mode and won't have all that much room in the budget or in the rotation for Huddy (especially if they acquire two starting pitchers this off-season like they plan on).

Huddy is a constant injury risk, but even when he's not pitching, he's a valuable asset to a pitching staff and coming off a lost 2009, he could even be a free agent bargain. He could help guide the future core of the A's rotation through their first year in the majors and take some pressure off of them as well. With so much starting pitching depth in the minors and presumably loads of relief pitching to fall back on, Huddy can be well-rested through the season and well-supported by a, presumably, solid offense and defense. I imagine a rotation of Huddy, Cahill, Anderson, Gio and one of Mazzaro/Simmons/Smith/Eveland.

As far as off-the-field pickups, what about Scott Hatteberg? The guy is currently a free agent and not likely to receive any major league contracts within the next calendar year. The A's have renewed Ty van Burkleo's contract as hitting coach for 2009, but what 2010? Hatteberg and the A's always alluded to his future as a coach in this league, and why not bring him into the fold sooner rather than later?

So there you go. Not that this whole "homecoming fantasy" is a likely plan for this organization going forward or even one that I'd whole-heartedly endorse. In fact, in some ways it might even resemble Hollywood's recent geriatric-resurrecting train-wrecks. But hell, wouldn't it be fun to see the heart and soul of the early-decade A's reunite and take the field one last time before the roster completely turns over and the A's leave the Coliseum for good? Is it possible? Probably, but it's certainly not probable. Would the 2010 A's, with Jason, Miggy, Chavvy and Elly in the infield, Huddy on the mound, Hatty in the dugout, and Rickey in the stands win more games than a totally fresh and young A's team? Possibly. But would a team like that sell some tickets and tear some eyes? Hell ya it would, and hey, wouldn't it make for a pretty damn good way to wrap up the "Moneyball" movie?

 

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I don't particularly want any of these guys back unless they can contribute on the

field (or on the coaching staff) better than the other options. For me it was hard to see Hudson and Giambi go, but I’m over it now. I’ve moved on emotionally. I’d rather hand the starting pitching spot to Eveland/Smith/Mazzaro/Simmons than to Hudson, and I’m not all that crazy about Simmons.

I’ve no objection to Giambi as a one-year stopgap till Barton is ready, but don’t really want to see him in 2010.

I’d much rather see a trade for a SS than Tejada in 2010. If he wants the utility IF job, then I guess I wouldn’t object, but I’d think he’d want a starting gig.

I have no emotional connection to Hatteberg and don’t care who the hitting coach is.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 9, 2008 10:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I care who the hitting coach is... I want a good one.

Yes, I know that’s not exactly what you meant, but I do think Hatteberg could be a fine coach, and I’d like to see the A’s give him a shot in such a role. Not necessarily starting at the MLB level, of course.

With the exception of Rickey, which I would be fine with even just a PR role for sentimental purposes, I agree that bringing anybody back should be for real-time benefit.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Nov 9, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya I'd except Rickey as well.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 9, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What concerns me at this point...

Are the A’s recycling old faces in order to boost attendance? If so, that certainly can’t bode well for the level of confidence they have in their young talent.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Giambi return because I think he can still contribute. Perhaps Alejo is an enticement along those lines. As much as I hold Rickey’s status as an A in high regard, I don’t want to see him return soley for the purpose of planting butts in seats. Am I wrong to view the recent foray by the A’s into nostalgia with suspicion?

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 9, 2008 11:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if "suspicion" is the right word.

More just like, “enlightened skepticism”. I doubt having Rickey around is going to matter all that much to the team going forward. He might be able to teach a guy like Jemile Weeks a thing or two about baserunning during Spring Training or something, but clearly, having him in the organization as some sort of “goodwill ambassador” is clearly a 95-percent PR move, which is the prerogative of the ownership group/marketing/community relations departments.

I agree that Giambi can contribute next season and even somewhat in 2010, which is why I think he makes the most sense to bring back.

The other guys’ I tossed in there more because they could still be useful players one year from now, will be available, might teach the young guys a thing or two about their craft and might take a hometown discount to bring things full circle for their careers.

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Nov 9, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ditto what alox and WaddellCanseco said

Plus, this would be a really ineffective and short-sighted attempt to boost attendance. The folks who have fond memories of and emotional attachments to all these guys also have fond memories of and emotional attachments to winning, toward which end adding all of these guys wouldn’t contribute much.

There are plenty more fan-friendly, cost-effective, and cheap ways to drive attendance and improve the ballpark experience.

Finally, (and I demand an answer every time someone suggests a scheme like this) when has Beane ever signed a player for reasons of nostalgia, personal attachment, or box-office drawing potential?

Big NO.

Did you overpay for those eggs? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 9, 2008 11:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree concerning Beane's past penchants...

but I can’t help but wonder if the PR department has recently been imbued with an hereto unheard of level of influence. Considering the economy and the A’s attempt to get the Fremont effort off the ground, it wouldn’t be unheard of for a franchise to attempt to build a public “buzz”. All things considered, I imagine the level of competition for the disposable dollar is going to go into overdrive. The A’s have to know that their current position leaves much to be desired.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 9, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

all true/plausible, but I still don't see why/how *these* moves would make sense

First, as I said (without much explanation) above, this would be a more expensive, ineffective, and low-leverage marketing maneuver than virtually any other option—and it wouldn’t take effect for another year, minimum (Giambi + Alejo + Gallego + undefined-retainer-for-Rickey doth not a reunion [or contender] make).

Yeah, I agree 100% that the A’s are going to need to do something to stanch the marginal attendance bleeding. But (1) this ain’t gonna do it, (2) they’re reaping the whirlwind/it’s their own damn fault for intentionally undermarketing the team/slagging on the facility/reducing fan amenities/ignoring or slighting local fans for 15 years, and (3) the background of everyone on the team, from Lew on down, suggests to me that they don’t know what they’re doing from a marketing perspective. (Of course, that last point could actually mean that they may be more likely to pursue this angle; still, given Beane’s position and predilection, I don’t see him letting the marketing geeks call any shots on roster construction.)

Did you overpay for those eggs? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 9, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, thanks!

I feel better about the whole nostalgia trip now. I think. Your logic is irrefutable, at least by a guy like me with limited knowledge of such things.

I suppose the news of Alejo’s signing set my train of thought in a subjective direction. The last guy I knew that went by the name of Alejo was experiencing dire distress when I met him. Mainly I suppose because his throat had been slit from ear to ear and he was gouting blood profusely. Prison gang politics can be a real bitch.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 9, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In addition to Fremont there's the prospective CSN CA deal.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 9, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well you cant have young guys everywhere

depending on the price, i cant disagree with brringing in any of those former A’s since they are all still productive.

i could see hudson still making 8 +mill/yr post TJ surgery since pitching is way overpaid…dempster wanting 13-15mill/yr…ridiculous

imagine if duke stayed healthy with his season and was up for free agency now.

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 9, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Suspicion

I agree with the sentiment that it is scary if the A’s are bringing in veterans, knowing how calculating the A’s are. However, in the case of Giambi, and hopefully SWISHER, I would not be worried about ulterior motives. Add these guys and Furcal and the A’s have a shot at contending. Even if it is to put butts in the seats for ’09, acquiring good players without losing future assets never concerns me. We can increase our ’09 playoff window from 5% to 40% with the 3 acquisitions I mention, and delay the major league clocks on several developing pieces, perhaps Cunningham/Barton until 2010.

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by ChadGod on Nov 9, 2008 11:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like

A move the Giants or Raiders would make to try and sell tickets but not in a real arrempt to become a better team.

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by niallmack on Nov 9, 2008 11:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

For the record:
Not that this whole “homecoming fantasy” is a likely plan for this organization going forward or even one that I’d whole-heartedly endorse.

This whole piece is meant as an exercise in how far the current “reaching for nostalgia” trend could reasonably go for the A’s. It was a fun thing for me to think about and imagine, but I’d still just sign Giambi for one year, preferably, and go out and get Furcal or JJ Hardy and let the kids take over from there…

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Nov 9, 2008 12:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You wrote an excellent piece...

one that should provoke some thought.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 9, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for propping-up my fragile self-confidence...

in the wake of a scathing attack by the Monkey Man!

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Nov 9, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's an interesting subject....

and a refreshing change from all of the “rosterbations”. I really like Monkey’s views on the subject. I’m given to understand that he has some professional expertise in the marketing department. Unfortunately, the A’s don’t seem all that interested in effective marketing strategies. Monkey’s dead on concerning the A’s idea of customer service. Rarely have I encountered an organization that is so indifferent to their customer base. Don’t get me started on the concessions…..I become enraged even in the winter when I recollect my experiences with Aramark.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 9, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I do put the "scat" in "scathing"

Did you overpay for those eggs? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 9, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really have some "professional expertise in the marketing department" as alox

posted? Was it the A’s marketing department, another team’s or outside of sports? In what capacity? What kind of monkey are you? Old World? New World? True simian or prosimian? Are you an endangered species? Can we legally keep you as a pet? I have more questions after these.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 9, 2008 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's secretly a baboon.

And he pals around with chimpanzees.

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Nov 9, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eww...inter-species fraternization...lesser primate with greater primate no less

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 9, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So do you hate Crowley and the word "inelastic" as much as I do?

Do you agree that a real estate developer (other than maybe Li Ka-shing) has no idea how to market a going concern to build brand and enterprise value?

Are you as irritated as I am at the consistent running down of the product while trying to sell tickets?

Do you agree that broadcast access is the key to greater revenues?

Are you pissed off that these clowns routinely refer to the SF Bay Area as a “small market”, and seem to have brainwashed the fanbase, even at AN, that this is so?

Are you as unimpressed as I am at the notion that “the Giants are more popular” and this is immutable?

I have more questions after these.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 9, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Did you overpay for those eggs? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 10, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad someone else besides myself

can entertain such fantasies. It’s the fan in me that loves these kinds of pieces. So, I can totally see Giambi coming back for two years, Huddy for a 1 year deal with option for a 2nd, and Miggy ( if he can still play at a productive level ) for a asimilar deal to Huddy’s.

I see Hatty coming back in a front office position rather than a hitting coach, but I’d gladly have him b part of the team in any shape or form.

Go A’s!!!!!

by mrod on Nov 9, 2008 1:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why are people here so down on Hudson and Tejada?

The guy’s been extremely good for Atlanta. He’s had ONE bad season in his entire career. He had TJS; that doesn’t suddenly make him washed up.

If anything, the issue with him is a. that Atlanta is not going to decline that option, and neither is Hudson, and b. even if they did, he could easily obtain a Lohse-sized deal on the open market. He might come back to Oakland after his NEXT free agent deal…

Tejada has somehow become underrated at this point; he had a bad hitting season but was still a better than league average shortstop.

Playing off my recent post, I’d estimate that if Hudson and Tejada were on the A’s roster (and Hudson was able to pitch, obviously) it would add about 4-5 wins to the team. That’s a substantial improvement. Depending on what the situation is a year from now, I could easily see acquiring either of them as a smart move.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 9, 2008 2:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to have Tejada next year, he'd be a huge boost

but signing him for more than one year in 2010 seems pretty risky. Being 36 and sort of fat raises a lot of questions as to whether he’ll be able to stay at SS, and he won’t be worth much at another position.

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by mikeA on Nov 9, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not all that fat...

and Miggy was a gamer. I would enjoy to see him back with the A’s. It really is nice to have players that feel like true A’s come back. I will enjoy seeing Giambi return to the team where he made his bones and the same for Miggy.
PS Nice to see you posting again , mike.

by IM4Oakgal on Nov 9, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i hear barry zito might be available at a discount

in 2010.

glory days!

BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.

by alea iacta est on Nov 9, 2008 3:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He's signed through 2013

Unless of course the Giants send him over and eat most of the salary.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 9, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

By 2013, he might be good again

Assuming that he is good, and then sucks, in six year cycles.

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by Nico on Nov 9, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His numbers have been steadily getting worse for years.

He’s had the A’s coliseum effect, good defense, and the consequentially LOW BABIPs throughout his career to thank for all his prior success. This year, his BABIP was near “normal” (.300), and his stats sucked.

His 2008 FIP was just following the trend, as was his 2008 tRA (his tRA* have stayed in the same range for his entire career).

Yeah, the Giants play in a pitcher’s park, but the A’s defense is just better. Hahahahaha.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 9, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest difference seems to be in his IF fly rates, which were about 16% of fly balls

with the A’s and now about 8% with the Giants. I blame the lack of foul ground in SF.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 9, 2008 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I blame society

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 9, 2008 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well sure, it's society that decided to pay big bucks for infield seats in SF but not Oak

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 9, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what's ironic?

It takes about 7 years (!) to figure out if a pitcher has “true skill” at limiting hits on balls in play. Zito finally hits that 7 year mark, with a BABIP in the .260s, suggesting that he really can do so, and then that skill promptly collapses in year 8…

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by PaulThomas on Nov 9, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So Barry's unlucky in love...

and in pitching. Sad.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Nov 10, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, Zito might be free, if the Giants just want to get rid of him, say in 2011 (2 yrs left on contract)

If the Giants ate most of the salary, the young staff of the A’s could learn a few things about how to walk 98328593859385 batters and still get outs/how to get really, really lucky.

If you can’t be good, be lucky.

And, if he came to the A’s and pitched well, it would be massive ownage on the Giants. Yeah, this is a pipe dream.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 9, 2008 8:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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