A's are going to splurge on FA? Crosby gone?
by petitceebee on Nov 6, 2008 8:45 AM PST
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PrintCrosby's really worn out his welcome in Oaktown I guess. But anything that gets him packing is all right by me.
But Furcal signing as a free agent? I can't remember the last time I even heard of the A's spending so extravagantly.
Maybe it's too good to be true. Or just wishful thinking?
Is Billy moving up the timetable? Maybe 2009 won't be such a lost cause after all.
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crosby to detroit
dont really care for what..pay 1/2 of the 5mill salary
Good idea...
Detroit is looking for a short term fix at short so it makes a lot of sense. There are also a few rumors floating that the Phillies might be looking to move Jimmy Rollins who would be a great fit- hometown guy with a very attractive 3 yrs 23.5 mill. Rollins would probably cost a ton in trade but he would probably be worth it.
On a separate note, the Cardinals might be willing to deal Ryan Ludwick. He has a nice right handed bat and I think the Cards and A’s have a lot of mutual interest puzzle pieces. Maybe Cunningham and Street for Ludwick? According to the article, Ludwick is still under the Cards control for three years- a much better long term prognosis than the Matt Holliday.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
Cunningham and Street is a huge overpay for Ludwick
Dude’s a 30 year old outfielder with one above average season under his belt to date. He’s not worth Cunningham or Street straight up.
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
Cunningham straight up in a heartbeat
Ludwick had a well above average year last season, granted its in the NL and only one season, his age is a factor, but Cunningham is expendable, IMO. I think we can get more using Street but even straight up for him isn’t that bad, IMO. Street is a nice player but expendable, considering his salary will be rapidly increasing as well, this offseason is time to move him.
Gas to Chicago- $23.87 A's/White Sox Tix- $28 Watching the A's whipping the Sox in July 05'- Priceless
Isn't Ludwick "expendable", too?
I’d hardly characterize him as some kind of franchise savior.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
stl wouldnt do that
they seem full already in OF’s
they got rasmus, jones, jay, etc near the majors
they need infield and pitching help
the best minor deal imo, is patterson for freese or craig
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 6, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
My general distrust of players who "blossom" in their late 20's/early 30's
… and the fact that Cunningham appears to be useful in the near future makes me think that this proposed deal is pretty lopsided for the Cards. Prospects are perhaps more valuable now than they have ever been— there’s no need to trade for some guy who has had 1 good year and looks to start declining in the very near future. Say, right around the time the A’s plan to start making a serious push at yearly contention.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
Don't think I'll miss him
Crosby never did develop into a solid replacement for Miggy as he was advertised.
I feel
wierd this morning. First, I saw the article about Furcal and if that wasn’t suprising enough I saw this about 3 minutes later…
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_10910652?source=rss
It is just wayyyyyy too strange seeing the A’s connected with big money/big name players. I’m not for Holliday unless the A’s have a legit shot at extending him, and he doesn’t cost any of our “blue chip” prospects. I dont see either as a likely scenario, but its kinda cool knowing we may have a star player or two starting for us next season.
Threesome
What about an A’s – Rockies – Braves threesome?
- Holliday to the Braves
- Yunel Escobar to the A’s
- Prospects from the A’s/Braves to the Rockies
There is no way the A’s end up with Holliday. And there’s a very slim chance that Fucal ends up with the A’s, unless he wants to go w/ a 1-Year Deal.
Dont' see why the Braves would do it.
They are the big losers here. They get Holliday for one year, they lose 5 years of Escobar, AND prospects?
And why should they want to include the A’s at all, if they are inclined to do this? Just trade with the Rockies directly.
The A’s are robbing the Braves blind in your proposal.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
405 Miles
Before you jump down my throat, maybe I should send out an actual proposal…
Escobar < Halladay + Great Probability of Contract Extension (see: Huddy)
So, hear I go:
Braves get: Holliday
A’s get: Escobar
Rockies get: Ryan Sweeney + Vin Mazzaro + Sean Doolittle + Tyler Flowers – C (Braves)
As the Braves GM, you wouldn’t do that if you really wanted Matt Holliday, and you KNEW you could sign Holliday to an extension. The Braves are pretty good at that stuff (see: Huddy). And Stillwater, OK is only 852 miles from Atlanta (And Matt Holliday’s Dad coaches NC State Baseball, 405 Miles from Atlanta Georgia)
- (Just trying to think outside the box. Not sure why Troy E. Renck – Rockies Beat – thinks the A’s are the frontrunners for Matt Holliday. Seems weird, doesn’t it?) *
by Colorado Fan on Nov 7, 2008 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
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Another Low-End Prospect going to the A’s – John Gilmore (3B)
Let’s not forget: The A’s received Dan Meyer (#18 MiLB Prospect by someone) + Juan Cruz + Charles Thomas for 1-year of Huddy. How’d that turn out? Prospects are just that “Prospects”. This site overrates prospects because that is all we have to look foward to.
by Colorado Fan on Nov 7, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Two things:
1. Your proposed package is vastly superior to the Hudson package, particularly when you consider that the Braves are giving up Escobar, and
2. Holliday is not going to sign an extension.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
not that there's been any hint of interest
but supposedly the Phillies may want to trade Jimmy Rollins, according to numerous reports. I’ve no doubt he wouldn’t come cheaply.
sign furcal or trade for rollins
you have the option for either…what would you do?
furcal – only $$ maybe 10-12 mill/yr
rollins- solid contract, but would require prospects
or pass on both
hope cardenas develops
or maybe if furcal is back in la try to pry away SS Dejesus from them
use the $$/prospects for middle of the order hitters
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 6, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Furcal
He’d only cost money, something the A’s actually have a little of to work with for once. Rollins will cost too many good prospects, and won’t hit nearly as well in the AL in a pitchers park.
I wouldn't give a 3/$40M deal to Furcal given that his OPS+ was 76 in 2007 and back injuries
are bad news. He’s also at an age when players decline a lot defensively. It seems like he’s being really overrated for his great 30 games this year.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 6, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Rollins is significantly better
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/11/4/653502/best-shortstops-of-2008 ranks him #3. Furcal is #13.
The stats are ballpark adjusted. So, if the price is reasonable (which is a huge IF) go for him.
Um
Furcal was 13th IN 36 GAMES.
It’s obvious that if he kept up the pace he was on, he’d have finished #1— but even if he slacked off severely, he was likely to finish in the neighborhood of— or ahead of— Rollins. If he is healthy, he is every bit as good a player as Rollins is.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I doubt that Rollins is really available
he’s a great leadoff hitter and an excellent defensive SS. He’s got two Gold Gloves and an MVP in the last two seasons. And he’s a fan favorite and vocal leader who’s team just won the World Series. But most importantly, he’s only going to cost $23.5M over the next three seasons.
There are a lot of intangibles at play, and that will only drive up the asking price.
I also haven’t read about any scout who thinks Jason Donald is ready to start for the big club.
"This is Rickey, calling on behalf of Rickey."
how about trade for Holliday and Atkins
Flip Holliday over to Phils for Rollins and FINALLY have a left side of the infield, right handed pop and lead off hitter?
"Baseball is like a church. Many attend, but few understand." - Wes Westrum
by oaklandfan40 on Nov 6, 2008 10:56 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Why would they do that, and why do so many people think Garrett Atkins is good at baseball?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Okay...I'm waiting to hear why he isn't...
I’m just seeing a guy who’s averaged 156 games and 25HRs a year, who’s offensive numbers at least suggest he’s equal to (if I can write the words to form this sentence without being struck by lightning on the spot) a healthy Chavez .(298/.360/.474 to.269/.346/.484) and he hits lefties (.323/.404/.537) well enough to give us a real right handed hitter. That and at 29 one would think he’d be coming into his prime.
Not trying to start anything PT, just like knowing why I so off base to suggest Atkins would be a major improvement for this team.
"Baseball is like a church. Many attend, but few understand." - Wes Westrum
by oaklandfan40 on Nov 6, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A healthy Eric Chavez is a sensational defender, worth 10-15 runs above average a year
Garrett Atkins is a horrible defender, who loses his team 5-10 runs a year.
That 20 run differential? It’s worth about 100 points of OPS.
Also, FWIW, players at 29 are leaving their prime, not entering it.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I don't understand why everyone is on the Atkins diet
"This is Rickey, calling on behalf of Rickey."
QOTM for the sequence
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Just because Atkins isn't the shiznit
doesn’t mean he’s not an upgrade over what we have. He is a reasonably priced, healthy, not too old proven commodity.
He’s an average fielder, not good, certainly not great, average.
He’s a slightly above average hitter (taking into account his time at Coors).
He’s healthy, that is worth a lot.
He hits from the right side, that is important, too.
And he’s available.
We don’t need to win the pennant with one trade. but if we can make three or four trades, and improve incrementally in the process, without paying an arm and a leg, we will get better.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
Saying he's average doesn't make him average
and he is NOT average. Sean Smith has him projected at -7 runs next season at third base, and his metric takes account of both the player’s scouting reports and his recent performance in various zone ratings.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I just read an article regarding Matt Holldiay and the winter meetings.
It sounds like Dan O’Dowd just wants to be fleeced this offseason. He is not sure what he wants for Holliday and appears to be content on a return of a decent pitching prospect and some filler. He is convinced that there is not any solid pitching available. With this being said, if it takes Smith, Sweeney, + filler I would not be opposed to acquiring Holliday. He can be traded at the deadline if the A’s are not in contention.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
How amazing would that be.
I would probably consume so much BB kool-aid if that deal went down.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
loving the 3way with the Phil's and Rox
Holliday to the Rox,
Rollins to the A’s
As needed from the A’s to finish it off.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
Cap space
It seems what Beane has been doing for the past year or so is the equivalent of clearing cap space, as we see in the NBA, though in baseball there’s no salary cap. In the NBA teams generally end up acquiring players with expiring contracts and then use the money under the cap the next year to sign a big name free agent. The Pistons trade for Iverson seems to fall into that category. Whether Beane will actually use the “cap space” to sign free agents is another matter but at least the option is there now.
we dont even know the budget yet
really we re getting mixed signals
lew says they’d like to add offense, then later says probably not impact, higher end guys.
beane says he’d prefer short term 1/2 yr deals…i dont see any bigtime FA’s accepting that.
he still considers 09 part of a rebuilding season, but then why give up a huge haul for holliday or big money to furcal
lets say they add offense, i’m still not quite sold on the rotation since cahill/anderson isnt ready yet and too much inexperience as is…then A’s might be better off going all in and adding 1 more sp w/ experience to balance things out
outside of the BP, a couple rotation spots, and some position battles…there is much room for improvement
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 6, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I could see Beane "overpaying" for Furcal if it's only a 2 year deal.
That’s not really a long enough term contract to hurt the franchise.
i'd love furcal
since i cant stand crosby but he still wouldnt fill a power/middle of the order need…if its followed up with another move for that bat, then i guess that could be okay
what would you consider overpaying for furcal? my guess it would take alot since he’s never played in the AL, plus wouldnt be going to “contender”…2yr/30 mill??
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 6, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I hate Crosby on the A's
but I’ve been wanting to state someone on this site that once he gets traded or released, I know he’ll end up having a 280/30/100 season for someone else.
Our crappy guys seem to do better elsewhere and our good ones seems to suck it up
"Baseball is like a church. Many attend, but few understand." - Wes Westrum
Furcal fits nicely
but he’ll mostly likely be too costly. According to www.mlbtraderumors.com, Dodgers offered Furcal a 2 year deal worth $25-30 million, and he turned it down.
I can’t see the A’s going for two years OR more than that for a guy with health issues and basically one-fourth of an outstanding year on top of many many slightly above average ones.
Just can’t see it.
other options if they are set to dump crosby
furcal back to la, call colletti again about dejesus
philly rollins or donald
most likely option:
crosby plays it out here…pennington utility, cardenas more time in minors
giambi or rivera signed as FA bat
I admit, the Furcal rumors are appealing to the MVP 2005 fan in me
It mirrors the free agent signing I made lo those many years ago, and he whupped ass for my 2009 A’s. Of course, so did Keith Ginter.
Which brings me to my next point— this isn’t a video game and stuff doesn’t always work out the way it should— or more precisely, the way you’d like it to. This team already has a roster pretty full of dudes who can’t stay on the field for an entire season. I’m not really all that psyched to add one more.
But that little baseball icon next to his head meant a strong arm and some suh-weet double plays.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Nov 6, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think this is only smoke and mirrors
This is coming from the GM meetings and Beane always does the unexpected. So while everyone is looking at him signing Furcal or Holliday he is probably secretly working out a deal of Smith and Patterson for Zimmerman.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
or he's settin up to trade duchscherererererer
pro trading: he had a good year, is cheap so raises value
beane seemed diffident about extending his contract last year
he can’t stay on the field for a team with an already crowded injury list
con: injuries reduce value
veterinity could provide leadership for young pitching staff
one hitter vs red sox in front of baying crowd of faux blue collar boston fans was one of my highlight of the season.
i’m not saying i want him to do it, just suspect Beane might be thinking about it.
plus i have twenty minutes to kill before i can leave this office
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 6, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
so gm meetings are over
pretty uneventful other than setting things up for winter meetings in early december
so to recap what went on…
meyer picked off waivers
some FA whispers from giambi/furcal
trade speculation for swisher/holliday
multiple teams showing interest in street: indians, mets, brewers, tigers, etc
maybe a hopeful crosby dump
so at least another month of rumors left
hell yeah, at least we have the niners, raiders, and warriors to kill time!!
Gah.
Go Sharks, that’s all I can say.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Whats wrong? 2-3 Warriors don't quite do it for you?
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
You must have missed me ranting about Anthony Randolph a month ago.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Def not. I witnessed it.
I still think he will be better than Wright, but the player Wright becomes might not be very sexy.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
how about everyone calms down and sees what happens!
this predicting stuff is funny. Get to work people!
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.
pitching people?!
i see all this nonsense about Holliday, Rollins, Furcal, etc. but anybody take a gander at our rotation, i don’t know about you all, but I see NO REASON to acquire such players until we address our rotation.
Why is NO REASON capitalized? Are those the most important words in the post?
If so I would have capitalized GANDER…or maybe NONSENSE.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 6, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
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