A's Shopping List
The missus and I are out the door to use my credit card, but since Friday's my front page day, I thought I'd quickly post my A's wish list, in order of priority, in the spirit of the biggest shopping day of the year:
1. Rafael Furcal - "The Torpedo" lunched with Beane and checked out Bay Area real estate while in town Tuesday. (I'm guessing that the "businessmen" outside of the Burger King on Hegenberger weren't part of the tour). I wish that Furcal could have been persuaded before he left town for the Dominican Republic; the skeptic in me is afraid that Torpedo is waiting to see if a preferred team will bowl him over with an offer. I'm still optimistic.
2. Nick Johnson - I'd be thrilled with a trade of Javier Herrera and/or Richie Robnett for him, but I hope he wouldn't require any of our top eight arms on the farm. Potential .400 OBP guy with 20 homers, along with projected league-average-or-slightly-better defense. With only one year and $5.5M remaining on his contract, he figures to be cheaper than Giambi, and is obviously a better defender.
3. Randy Johnson - Johnson is likely to require only a one-year commitment, and he has an excellent k-to-walk ratio. He's also a Walnut Creek native and only five wins away from 300, so perhaps there's some sentimental value to bringing him in as well. His biggest problem is allowing home runs, and the Coliseum would help suppress that. Johnson also wouldn't require the A's to yield a draft pick. I think that a few of the A's young pitchers could benefit from watching Johnson's preparation for each start and intensity. I like him much more than Brad Penny, who has a high walk rate and literally quit on the Dodgers during the last two weeks of the season, packing up and going home early.
4. Eduardo Morlan - This year's Rule 5 draft-eligible crop is thinner than it's been in year's past. There's probably a few good reasons for that - in the post-PED era, rosters are going to be slightly younger, and the high cost of free agents makes it more essential than ever to protect young talent. With apologies to PT's yen for James Skelton (Tigers catcher), I think that Eduardo Morlan of the Rays organization is the best player available in a very thin Rule 5 crop. A nice combination of good stats and upside, if his fastball returns to the mid-90s after slipping a few ticks this year. Morlan will likely be picked before the A's turn to draft, but the team could always trade up, a la Ryan Goleski (with much better results, hopefully).
(I don't actually think the A's will take a Rule 5 pick; if they really wanted an extra reliever, they could've simply protected Brad Kilby).
Assuming that Crosby gets traded for a low-level non-roster player, and that Herrera/Robnett are traded for Johnson, these moves would put the A's roster at 40 entering Spring Training. I'm also assuming that Embree gets offered arbitration, declines, and eventually signs with another team, yielding the A's another draft pick.
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I've come around on Furcal (because of the Holliday deal)
And I really like trying to woo Randy Johnson.
I like getting Johnson only if, like you said, it doesn’t take very much to get him. I think Barton can be as productive as Johnson, so unless the Nats are willing to take Herrera and Jeff Gray or something, I’d pass.
I prefer PT’s James Skelton plan for the Rule 5 draft. I think he could develop into a starting catcher, and it doesn’t hurt to have two of those guys on the roster.
by thejd44 on
Nov 28, 2008 10:30 AM PST
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Thanks for saving me a fanpost, NSJ
The case for Randy Johnson.
5 wins from 300, the media attention and general publicity would/should boost ticket sales.
He made 30 starts and pitched 184 innings, striking out 174 while walking 44. That’s an 8.51 K/9; an 2.15 BB/9 and a 3.95 K/BB.
I know people worry about the NL/AL crossover, but Johnson put up this line while making his home starts in one of the best hitter’s parks in the NL. He’d be moving to one of the best pitcher’s parks in the AL.
Johnson’s age (45) and injury history make him a risk, but we’re talking about a 1 year deal here. We’re also talking about a SP who made 30 consecutive starts last year and posted a 5-3 2.41 13 GS 86.0 IP 74 H 9 HR 16/78 BB/K line in the 2nd half.
Johnson could probably be signed for $8-10 million, well within what we think the A’s 2009 budget caps out at.
As shown here, Johnson’s fastball still sits at 90 and his slider hasn’t lost much if anything.
Johnson offers short term risk and solid upside. He’s not much more than a 6 inning pitcher anymore but that’s all the A’s need him to be.
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by grover on
Nov 28, 2008 11:21 AM PST
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I've always liked the local angle
I thought Randy Johnson was from Livermore?
Anyway, I like all the reason NSJ put in for getting Randy Johnson, and also the details grover has put together.
On Johnson’s side, he may prefer going out with the final year with the team that got him a WS ring.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on
Nov 28, 2008 2:21 PM PST
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He's already split publicly from the D-Backs
He wanted to come back; they lowballed him out of town.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 4:23 PM PST
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That's a little harsh
Arizona didn’t low-ball him out of town, they said they couldn’t afford him. The only way they could have brought him back would have been on a low-ball deal and they weren’t going to ask him to do that. It’s like when Beane told Miggy the A’s weren’t going to make him an offer to stay, he wasn’t going to insult Tejada with a low-ball offer.
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by grover on
Nov 28, 2008 4:40 PM PST
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Eric Byrnes FTW!!!!!!
And I agree. I don’t think the DBacks made an offer to Unit, they simply told him that they didn’t have the cash for him. Padres/Hoffman was low-balling, but that’s Moores.
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by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 4:50 PM PST
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I'm not too familiar with guys available in the Rule 5 Draft
But I’m down with signing Furcal, Unit, and Giambi.
If the A’s can’t sign Giambi then I might be interested in Nick Johnson in a trade……..but, as has been stated before, it would have to be for guys of not much signifigance.
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by mrod on
Nov 28, 2008 11:22 AM PST
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Nick Johnson
He is a good compromise between those of us that think Barton insurance is absolutely necessary and those that don’t. Odds are that he will be injured most of the time anyway thus the Bartonatics will get their wish, but if he is healthy it is supremely likely that he would be more productive than Barton. Barton wouldn’t touch a healthy Johnson’s OBP/SLG and Johnson’s defense is not much worse than Barton’s.
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by ChadGod on
Nov 28, 2008 11:35 AM PST
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I agree with most of this
However, I think Skelton is far more attractive than Morlan because the A’s actually have a spot for him. Rob Bowen is roster filler, and the bullpen is pretty packed right now. No need to add Ian Kennedy 2.0 to that group.
Skelton’s not much of a hitter but the guy walks like crazy. And if Reggie Willits could play catcher, he’d be pretty damn valuable. I see a decent chance that Skelton can match that kind of production, and even if he doesn’t… well, he’s only the backup catcher.
Nick Johnson only excites any fancy in me if he’s virtually cost-free. If it really is Robnett or Herrera for him, fine. Not any more than that.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 11:45 AM PST
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I'd go as high as Ryan Webb for Nick Johnson, after that, no deal
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by grover on
Nov 28, 2008 11:48 AM PST
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my bargain shopping list
crosby/cash for hu
patterson for freese or craig
cassilla/mid tier prospect for johnson
by Asfan4ever723 on
Nov 28, 2008 12:40 PM PST
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Unfortunately, I think it will take a little more
in each case to get what you want.
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by Nico on
Nov 28, 2008 1:39 PM PST
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I hope that's not true for the Johnson offer...
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by muffinpryde on
Nov 28, 2008 1:40 PM PST
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I was definitely referring more to
Hu and Craig/Freese. Craig should come the cheapest of the three, but his value is questionable due to his age and how much of his offensive production came at home.
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by Nico on
Nov 28, 2008 1:44 PM PST
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If we sign the unit
I’m going to post a “Don’t talk back to Randy” sign in the outfield.
The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.
by carp on
Nov 28, 2008 12:41 PM PST
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great idea.
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by ChadGod on
Nov 28, 2008 1:07 PM PST
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My sign them el cheapo list
1. John Patterson – Top of the rotation stuff if healthy. Only would take a minor league contract w invite. Who knows maybe after a couple injury spent years arm regains it’s old form.
2. Joel Guzman – Another minor league deal to hope gets to the level he was once projected. Can play 3rd, 1st and OF so nice versatility. Plus he is RH w some major pop.
by Bud Light on
Nov 28, 2008 1:17 PM PST
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I'd take a look at Patterson
But Joel Guzman has failed often enough to prove he’ll never amount to much.
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by grover on
Nov 28, 2008 1:20 PM PST
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Agree, Patterson is a great idea
We need to bring in a few guys that would take minor league deals, but have some experience and upside. Patterson is a perfect example. Some others…
Bartolo Colon (yeah, he’s gigantic, but it’d be a small risk)
Jason Jennings
Carl Pavano
Matt Clement
Kris Benson
I’d like Patterson, Jennings, and Pavano, and let’s give them a shot in spring training and see how they do. Jennings is especially intriguing to me; he seems like a guy the Colisseum would really help out.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on
Nov 28, 2008 5:51 PM PST
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Bartolo Colon and Carlos Silva in a Fatboy's Duel FTW.
And then we trade Colon to Minaya’s Mets mid-season.
In all seriousness, Patterson’s a good idea.
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by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 6:22 PM PST
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I'm with ya...
but guys like Pavano and Clement won’t need to take minor-league deals. The pitching market is bare enough that there will be desperation and money flying around for some bottom feeders.
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Nov 28, 2008 7:26 PM PST
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Clement took a minor league deal this year and was released mid-season.
so I doubt he gets more than a minor league deal, but I agree with you on Pavano (and Hampton, for that matter).
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by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 7:42 PM PST
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Another name that sounds interesting is Josh Towers
He’s nothing special, but he’s the kind of pitcher who would thrive in the Coliseum: flyball pitcher, biggest weakness is his HR tendencies. Every year he’s had high WHIPs, its correlated with an abnormally high BABIP, and his K/BB and BB/9 rates are pretty dominant. I’d think that the Coliseum would suppress HR rates a bit, and he could be a pleasant surprise. On a minor league deal, why not?
But his upside is more a BOR guy than the frontline-when-healthy upside guys like Colon/Patterson/etc. have. So it might not be as good an idea.
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by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 8:05 PM PST
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Josh Towers is terrible
I just thought I’d mention it.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 8:50 PM PST
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Stuff looks more appealing when half-drunk
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by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 9:56 PM PST
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A mantra many a marriage minded ugly girl
has enspoused.
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by alox on
Nov 28, 2008 10:05 PM PST
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nothing scares opposing hitters more
than a 31 year old journeyman who spent the last season in the minors.
That definitely shows that we are looking to compete..
by stranahanahan on
Nov 28, 2008 10:13 PM PST
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Gil Heredia had a few good years for us
He just made one start too many.
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by Nico on
Nov 29, 2008 10:24 AM PST
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PT is right
Towers is awful. I had to watch him for three years. It would make me physically ill of the A’s signed him.
by LBDirtbags on
Nov 29, 2008 4:47 AM PST
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Towers throws a lot of strikes
It’s his main strength – it also happens to be his main weakness.
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by Nico on
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Rule 5 Draft
I don’t see it as so bad. There are some very interesting options in there…
Skelton (DET)
Morlan (TB)
Chuck Lofgren (CLE)
Alan Horne (NYY)
J. Brent Cox (NYY)
Donald Veal (CHC)
I can’t seem to find a good list of hitters that would be possible picks. Baseball America has their preview for subscribers only, which is lame. I guess I’ll just wait for the Rotoworld preview.
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Nov 28, 2008 1:20 PM PST
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I'm morally opposed to drafting Veal,
and I fear Cox would be in the hole too often.
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by Nico on
Nov 28, 2008 1:42 PM PST
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If we acquire both Johnsons
then the need for Cox is fulfilled.
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by oblique on
Nov 28, 2008 2:29 PM PST
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well
if we’ve got the horne, then they might all be necessary
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on
Nov 28, 2008 4:09 PM PST
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I think Cox just had Tommy John surgery or something
Lofgren’s numbers from the AFL are eye-popping, and I don’t mean that in a good way.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 4:27 PM PST
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I like Skelton, like you...
…and also think Alan Horne is a very interesting prospect. Remember, he was going to be the third guy in the Santana trade that they weren’t willing to put into the deal. Then he got hurt. If he’s healthy, he could be a monster steal.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on
Nov 28, 2008 5:44 PM PST
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The A's could hide him in the bullpen and slowly bring him along.
From what I read on scout.com about him, he has as much upside as anyone.
From athletics.scout.com
Alan Horne (RHP) – He was a top five prospect a year ago but was hurt all year this season and then had shoulder surgery. The prognosis for his return is a bit shady. Some are saying he’ll miss half of the year this season but the Horne camp is saying he’ll be ready by Spring Training. He’s a former first round pick of the Indians out of high school and he’s got great stuff [fastball, curveball and slider are all plus pitches, and his changeup can be solid]. The Yankees are banking on his injury scaring teams away.
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Nov 28, 2008 6:19 PM PST
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They can also hide him on the DL.
and call up s/o else from AAA to take the 25 man roster spot until he’s healthy.
Kind of how the Dodgers slipped Andruw Jones onto the DL just so they would have the roster spot open.
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by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 6:24 PM PST
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Question about the rule 5 draft.
Does each team only have one selection?
Because if there is more than one round we could take Skelton first and then Horne second and Skelton could work as the backup Catcher while Horne is either in the bullpen or on the DL.
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by Eastbayjim on
Nov 28, 2008 6:42 PM PST
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You can take as many dudes as you want.
But you need to have space on your 40-man roster for each guy you take. (i.e., if you want to take 3 players, you need 37 players or less on your 40-man).
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by notsellingjeans on
Nov 28, 2008 7:28 PM PST
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I take it when we sign a free agent, or in the case we are in, possibly 3, then we need to drop 3 players who are currently on our 40 man?
Also, if we draft someone do we already have to have that spot open?
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by Eastbayjim on
Nov 28, 2008 7:37 PM PST
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yeah
but the A’s currently have 39 players.
And if they add Furcal, they’ll most certainly trade Crosby, which still keeps them at 39.
If they trade for Nick Johnson, it might involve trading a current 40-man roster guy or two.
So there’s not as much of a crunch as it might look at first.
And yes, you need a slot open to participate in the Rule 5. However, you can clear a roster slot all the way up to the day of the draft.
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by notsellingjeans on
Nov 28, 2008 7:41 PM PST
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Yes, but it's only a formality
because teams can outright players up to that morning.
However, we can read the fact that Webb was added to the 40-man as signaling that the A’s won’t take more than one Rule 5 player, if they take any. Otherwise they’d have left the spot open or waived another marginal prospect earlier in the offseason.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 7:41 PM PST
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Thanks guys for the great response.
I was looking at our 40 man (only 39 players) and was wondering if Beane would lose someone like one of the guys he just signed for a pitcher like Horne? Of course we already have one top flight pitcher, DLS, who is going to be a look see when he comes back from TJ surgery although Horne only had shoulder surgery so he not take as long.
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by Eastbayjim on
Nov 28, 2008 7:46 PM PST
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You can put the Rule 5 guy on the DL but you eventually have to have
him active for 150 days, if not this season then next.
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by WaddellCanseco on
Nov 28, 2008 11:29 PM PST
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No, in fact, you can select as many players as you want to
Last year a few teams took two bites at the apple.
However, keep in mind that the A’s are picking 12th (the draft order is the same as it is for the amateur draft). It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Skelton popped by San Diego, which loves walks and has utterly nothing at catcher right now.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 7:28 PM PST
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So Maybe he is still there for us.
Gotta use the “Law of Attraction” parking space way. Every time I drive somewhere I visualize a good parking space near where I am going and… I always have one.
So here, if we want Skelton, then we need to visualize him being available for us at number 12.
Another is, we are picking 12th because two teams higher than us did not sign their picks last year. So does that also fit with the rule 5 draft that they get two picks in the first 12 or do we actually get a higher pick?
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by Eastbayjim on
Nov 28, 2008 7:36 PM PST
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Unsigned amateur draft picks don't affect Rule 5 in any way
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 7:42 PM PST
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We are actually drafting 13th in the Rule 4 (Amateur) Draft
Aaron Crow’s fault.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on
Nov 28, 2008 8:58 PM PST
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Lofgren is a local boy; he went to Serra High in San Mateo
he’s apparently had some very serious personal problems in the last year.
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by notsellingjeans on
Nov 28, 2008 7:27 PM PST
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Kevin Whelan (NYY) is also interesting.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on
Nov 28, 2008 9:30 PM PST
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Johnson deals
I’m ok with Randy but only around 7-8 million at the most. Nick Johnson I’m not too crazy about. If he’s healthy his numbers will go down from his 06 numbers. His salary is 5.5 million and I don’t think he will do much better than Barton. Defensively he isn’t much of an upgrade since Barton did well playing first base. Nick Johnson is too similar to Barton so why get Johnson? I’d rather sign Giambi. His defense sucks but the one position where bad defense doesn’t hurt to much is 1st base. He has allot more power. I think you’ll find Johnson will have a big drop off in production coming to the AL and a pitchers park. Where as Giambi will not have a big drop off if any. He also has played well in Oakland the last 3 years. I’d rather pay Giambi 8 million a year than 5.5 to Nick Johnson. Plus I think Giambi will draw more fans in to the games. With the team wanting to move to Fremont, the economy being so bad any help with attendance is a plus.
by JFRIZZLE on
Nov 28, 2008 2:15 PM PST
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Why get Nick Johnson...
(Mind you, I’m not necessarily advocating the trade here.)
Barton’s 2009 ceiling has got to be less than Johnson’s 2006 performance. If the A’s could catch lightening in a bottle and get another season like that from Nick while giving Barton more time to work on whatever in the minors then that would be a massive improvement from what the A’s got out of 1B in 2008.
That’s a long shot but it’s probably what the A’s are thinking.
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by grover on
Nov 28, 2008 2:21 PM PST
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I know
I know what the A’s are thinking I just don’t think it will help much if at all. I think Giambi will be much more productive then Johnson. I think it’s safe to say Barton’s numbers won’t be like Nicks 06 numbers. But I also think it’s safe to say Nick’s 09 numbers won’t be like is 06 numbers. I see Barton hitting in the .270 range with 10 hr and 60 RBI. Thats probably all we’d get from Johnson. But I see Giambi hitting .260 30 hr and 90 RBI. I think Cust will have similar numbers. Holliday will drop off. I see him hitting .290 30 hr and 100 RBI Will that win the World Series for the A’s no way in hell. I but see playoffs with a 1st round exit though.
by JFRIZZLE on
Nov 28, 2008 2:42 PM PST
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Every time you use RBI as anything other than an indicator of where a guy is hitting in his team's lineup,
another cute, snuggly animal dies a horrible death.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 4:30 PM PST
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Well, Easter is just around the corner...
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by grover on
Nov 28, 2008 4:37 PM PST
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Speaking from personal experience, the snuggliness of bunnies is highly overrated
They’re like the David Eckstein of pets. They look cute at first glance but eventually turn out to be incredibly annoying and not very good.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 6:03 PM PST
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I prefer guinea pigs as the token cute, snuggly animal.
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by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 6:16 PM PST
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What about a guinea-saurus rex?
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on
Nov 28, 2008 8:58 PM PST
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Or the guinea pirate???
I heard it escaped from jail…
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by muffinpryde on
Nov 29, 2008 10:45 AM PST
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har har har
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by Blicks on
Nov 29, 2008 12:20 PM PST
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I rec'd that
Not only was it funny, but it got your point across gently and in a light-hearted way.
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And hopefully ends up on my grill.
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by alox on
Nov 28, 2008 7:39 PM PST
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QOTM
for posterity’s sake.
Save Rajai Davis
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Nov 29, 2008 1:13 AM PST
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Johnson doesn't give back a shitton of runs in the field like Giambi does.
Giambi gives back a good portion of his offensive value with his glove.
Since Cust has the DH spot locked up, Giambino will have to play 1B.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 5:03 PM PST
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Possible Line up
Think of this possible line up.
Furcal- SS
Suzuki- C
Holliday- LF
Giambi- 1B
Cust- DH
Chavez- 3B
Sweeney- CF
Buck- RF
Ellis- 2B
Obviously that lineup will be tweaked from game to game but that could a a possible lin up. Now look at the Possible Rotation.
Duke
Johnson
Ghalagher
Eveland
Braden, Gonzales, or Outman
With that Lineup and that Rotation an out Solid Bulpen the A’s could win the west next Year. Obviously if the Angels lose Tex that that would be a big boost. W/o Tex the Angels lineup isn’t great. They can resign K-rod and sign CC I don’t care. We know K-rod can be beaten. Plus we know we can beat CC since he struggles vs the A’s. I think it’s a good chance to win the west next year. Most important thing is singing Furcal though. He will be a huge addition to the A’s.
by JFRIZZLE on
Nov 28, 2008 2:30 PM PST
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After much thought and booze, I've actually decided that
the best batting order (for now) would look more like:
Buck – RF
Cust – DH
Holliday – LF
Chavez – 3B
Furcal – SS
Sweeney – CF
Suzuki – C
Barton – 1B
Ellis – 2B
Play your best “take and rake” ball at the top of the order (1-4), your “move ’em over, get ’em in” ball in the 5-7 slots (that’s where most of your steals, hit-and-run, and first-to-third action takes place), and any bunting/small ball at the bottom (as usual). Furcal becomes kind of a “second leadoff hitter” in the 5-hole, but he has the pop to bat there, while Suzuki becomes a luxury #7 hitter who has less pressure to be a key RBI man – his “Job 1” is behind the plate anyway.
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by Nico on
Nov 28, 2008 2:41 PM PST
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Lots of Booze
What you been drinking? Why on hell would you want Furcal hitting #5 and Cust hitting #2? I can see Furcal #1 and Buck #2 and Cust in the 5 hole.
by JFRIZZLE on
Nov 28, 2008 2:47 PM PST
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Why? Because Cust gets on base a lot more than Furcal does,
and Furcal gets a lot more hits than Cust does.
You can drop Furcal to 7th behind Suzuki (5) and Sweeney (6) if you like, but personally I prefer those two batting behind Furcal and all three will offer about the same production in the 5-hole, as roughly .270-.280 hitters with a “solid but not spectacular” OBP, and maybe around a dozen HRs.
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by Nico on
Nov 29, 2008 10:35 AM PST
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You need to drink better booze if that's the best line-up you could come up with
Sizemore-CF
Cust-DH
Holliday-LF
Pujols-1B
Wright-3B
Mauer-C
Furcal-SS
Ellis-2B
Ichiro-RF
That’s the kind of line-up a serious drinker would manage.
Light weight.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on
Nov 28, 2008 2:56 PM PST
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Disqualified from "serious drinker" consideration on two counts:
(i) there are 9 players in your line-up.
(ii) no position appears more than once.
by green star oakland on
Nov 28, 2008 3:11 PM PST
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That means he hasn't had enough to drink since he accurately included all the 9 players positions that would bat in the lineup.
Remember, DH is batting for the pitcher. Now if he included the pitcher and DH that would be a bit too much of the tequila.
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by Eastbayjim on
Nov 28, 2008 3:53 PM PST
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you forgot
Derek Jeter in center field
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on
Nov 28, 2008 4:12 PM PST
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after further analysis
i probably wouldnt sign furcal to anything more than 2 yrs + 3rd yr option
anything more its pretty risky
by 2010 they should have some grasp on internal options at ss among prospects…if not, they jump back into a deep SS FA market
plus if this economy holds down contracts of players…if it was about equal would you rather spend 50mill on furcal or a dunn, burrell, etc
my opinion i’d take the extra power bat and bury crosby 9th or find a cheaper SS alternative
by Asfan4ever723 on
Nov 28, 2008 3:09 PM PST
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Deep SS FA market?
I’m sorry, exactly who is on that market?
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 4:32 PM PST
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I think he's planning on J.J. Hardy being cloned
"I'll make a list for the record. These people should be trusted: Sal, andeux, rfloh, danny...and no one else. Certainly not me. And even extra super-certainly not NSJ."
by notsellingjeans on
Nov 28, 2008 7:36 PM PST
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What, the A's haven't acquired them already?
But there was a big sale from 5 a.m.-9 a.m.!
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
Nov 28, 2008 3:21 PM PST
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Shhhhhh keep very quiet about Johnson
I feel a Randy Johnson pick up would be a big boost to the team. Just don’t want the giants to hear about the A’s pick him up or Sabean will try to out bid Beane. Sabean is a big pain to the A’s free agent plans and always try to grab whoever the A’s go after.
by Arcman on
Nov 28, 2008 3:46 PM PST
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That's ok with me. Johnson is an eastbay guy so he will sign with the A's.
Since everyone above is boozing it a bit and then coming up with ideas I figured a couple of my own. Of course I am only looking at my bottle of Patron but it comes out the same.
Beane trades Simmons to Atlanta for Yunel Escobar. Nice deal for both teams.
Beane trades Murton, Crosby and Henry Rodriguez to the Giants for Angel Villalona or if you want someone sooner as Angel is only 18, then the above trade to the Brewers for Mat Gamel.
Note from http://www.scoutingbook.com/prospects/3b on Villalona
He’s eighteen. He’s eighteen and Baseball Prospectus ranks him higher than such hitters as Ian Stewart, Josh Fields and Javier Herrera.
Villalona is a serious, middle of the order power threat with 30-30
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by Eastbayjim on
Nov 28, 2008 4:08 PM PST
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< heads to BevMo >
< looks at Patron >
< gets arrested driving home >
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on
Nov 28, 2008 5:00 PM PST
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I was thinking that I would rather get Escobar than Furcal
I am, of course, assuming that Escobar would satisfy everyone’s SS requests and that a good bottle of tequila, Simmons or Mazzaro, and maybe an OF we could have a long term solution rather that a short term, high priced, breakable SS as in Furcal.
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Nov 28, 2008 6:46 PM PST
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Simmons or Mazzaro won't get the job done
but I’d be willing to offer Anderson or Cahill to get Escobar… and a couple of other decent prospects too. Let’s say Cahill, Carignan, Petit? Maybe Corey Brown instead of Carignan if they want a position player?
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 7:39 PM PST
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Agreed.
I’d definitely offer one of Anderson/Cahill for Escobar.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 8:09 PM PST
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I'd rather have Anderson/Cahill and Furcal...
than Escobar sans one of them. It’s not our money Lew’s spending.
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Nov 28, 2008 11:10 PM PST
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OK, but I'd rather have Escobar and 5 more years of Matt Holliday
than Cahill and Furcal and $8 million in the team coffers… and the same point applies.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 29, 2008 12:14 AM PST
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maybe pry away flowers if something else is added
by Asfan4ever723 on
Nov 28, 2008 8:58 PM PST
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Not a fan of getting him for the A's
unless they’re selling low on him for some reason. Suzuki’s pretty good and Flowers is basically just a younger version of Landon Powell with a lot of the same issues.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 28, 2008 9:13 PM PST
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I actually think straight/better when buzzed/drunk
and I actually think Brian Sabean would do Murton/Crosby/HRod for Villalona if offered.
But of course, it’s Sabean we’re talking about.
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by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 5:01 PM PST
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All’s quiet
All’s quiet
By jstiglich
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Checked in this afternoon with Rafael Furcal’s agent, Paul Kinzer, who is getting as much ink as his star clients lately. Kinzer also represents free agent closer Francisco Rodriguez, so Kinzer’s phone has been buzzing off the hook, no doubt. Anyway, Kinzer doesn’t expect much to happen with the A’s or any other team regarding Furcal in the next few days. Dialogue has been slow with the Thanksgiving holiday. "It will probably be the middle of next week before I know anything," Kinzer said. He had told mlb.com that Furcal might narrow his choice to two teams by the end of the weekend, but it doesn’t appear that will happen. If it seems the timetables keep changing with this story, that’s because they do. I still think the A’s are front runners for Furcal, but the longer things drag out, the more chance for a team like the Braves (who could trade Yunel Escobar) to throw their hat in the ring.
by Asfan4ever723 on
Nov 28, 2008 7:00 PM PST
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Sounds to me like Furcal is stalling, hoping for a better offer than what the A's have put forward.
by OldhamA on
Nov 29, 2008 9:56 AM PST
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The A's haven't put forward an offer
My guess is that Billy won’t make an offer until Furcal is ready to accept or refuse one without talking to any other teams in between.
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by Nico on
Nov 29, 2008 10:39 AM PST
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Any idea of what shape Atlanta is in?
They’ve been a very successful ballclub in th past. Are they entering an era of contention? This could be what’s delaying Furcal’s decision.
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by alox on
Nov 29, 2008 11:10 AM PST
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I don't think they're contenders at all
but apparently they have delusions of competing with an average-to-slightly-above lineup and a rotation patched together with string and bailing wire.
What I don’t get is why they think Furcal is even a short-term upgrade on Yunel Escobar.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 29, 2008 11:21 AM PST
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Their thinking must be that if they sign Furcal,
they can move Escobar to fill several other holes at once. I don’t see them contending in 2009 no matter what, personally, but perhaps they feel they can if they sign Furcal and deal Escobar for a package that includes enough pitching.
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by Nico on
Nov 29, 2008 11:51 AM PST
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Maybe they don't like him
Maybe he and Bobby Cox don’t get along well. And they obviously know Furcal very well and thought highly of him.
Or, maybe they feel they’ve already seen the best of Escobar. The Braves have a pretty good track record of selling high on players.
It’s a bit of a red flag on Escobar that the Braves would even consider including him. They, after all, know him best. They know more than we possibly could by looking up his stats.
I realize that it’s already been denied publicly, but if the Braves are indeed offering 4 years, $52M, the A’s probably would need to indeed offer 4/60 to get it done.
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Nov 29, 2008 3:29 PM PST
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I find it interesting that all the reports on Furcal signing have been false.
It looks like they are trying to go from the Giants and A’s and not getting the deal they want to saying there is a mystery team and now there are 4 teams including the Braves where no one has actually put a bid in yet for 4 years.
They are hoping one of the teams will try to totally outbid the others in order to get Furcal cause right now, he will be lucky to get 4 years at all.
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Nov 29, 2008 3:59 PM PST
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I agree - I think no one has made an offer
and that the delay is as much the A’s doing as Furcal’s. My take: The A’s don’t want to get into a bidding war and when Furcal’s ready to talk about signing with the A’s and only the A’s, then and only then will the A’s make an offer.
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by Nico on
Nov 29, 2008 5:26 PM PST
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They're entering that era, but they're not quite there yet in 2009
Come 2010-2011, they’ll have guys like Hanson, Heyward, Freeman, Schafer, etc. ready to contribute, along with the current core of Escobar, McCann, Jurrjens, Johnson, Chipper, etc.
They shouldn’t give up large portions of their 2010-2011 core for a shot at contention in 2009.
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by Blicks on
Nov 29, 2008 11:36 AM PST
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agreed
After hearing of this talk about Towers saying he had found a third team to work a deal for Peavy, I wondered if Beane was somehow getting involved as this 3rd team, to try and nab Escobar. Especially after Towers took Greene off the block, made me think the 3rd team would get him and then offer up something else Towers would like.
However, Escobar surely comes at a high price and I would not be willing to give up the farm for him, so I really hope this Furcal stuff gets worked out. Beane really should do whatever he can to try and get an answer or finish this out with Furcal before Winter Meetings at the absolute latest. This dragging out business is making me a bit nervous, I just want to see someone other than #7 out there…
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Nov 28, 2008 7:50 PM PST
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I think it was 3rd team with Peavy-Cubs
But if its 3rd team with Peavy-Braves, of course the A’s should get involved and snag Escobar.
I would think that the 3rd team would take something from the Cubs/Braves and give something to the Padres. If its Cubs, I don’t see a deal that would benefit the A’s now (and I’m not crazy-sold on Vitters down the line, especially at the cost of another A’s top prospect).
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by Blicks on
Nov 28, 2008 8:09 PM PST
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I just dont see ANY point
in giving up any of the A’s highly touted prospects at this point, unless we are looking at a guy who is an established major leaguer who is being sold low, or if they value someone in the system higher than we do (a la Henry Rodriguez as a centerpiece).
I mean if we get a good deal, then go for it, but it certainly doesn’t make sense to me to give up a lot more for anything.
Escobar would be great and I would love to have the shortstop of the future (him or Hardy), but either is going to cost a pretty penny.
Personally, the prospect of having Simmons or Anderson come up near the end of the season or starting by next year is just more valuable, they both project as front of the rotation guys, keep ’em.
by stranahanahan on
Nov 28, 2008 10:20 PM PST
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Wish list... that's easy.
1. Keep the A’s in Oakland forever.
2. Sign Holliday to a five year extension for whatever it costs.
3. Sign Sabathia to a three year deal for whatever it costs.
4. Sign Texiara to a three year deal for whatever it costs.
5. Sign Furcal to a three year deal at a reasonable price.
6. Sign Randy Johnson to a 1 year deal at a bargain.
by jdub69 on
Nov 29, 2008 1:35 AM PST
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Well you're easy to please
I know it’s a WISH list but damn. Sabathia and Tex and Furcal and Holliday and Johnson. And Sabs and Tex for 3 years? Let’s be generous and say you could get Sabs and Tex for 30 mil a year for 3 years. Holliday’s extension costs say 18 mil a year. Furcal gets 12. Johnson gets 8. That’s a very conservative estimate and you’re increasing payroll by 85 million this year.
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by vignette17 on
Nov 29, 2008 8:15 AM PST
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Anyone see?
Beane pulling a random trade for Prince Fielder?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Nov 29, 2008 3:18 AM PST
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Yes but what will it take?
Brewers would want a starter or 2 in a package. Maybe a Andreson/Barton/Cunningham/Devine package. After making the Holiday trade its hard to say which parts the brerwers would want now.
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Nov 29, 2008 9:15 AM PST
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God, what a horrible deal that would be
Don’t say these things. Make that deal and you wreck the team permanently.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 29, 2008 10:21 AM PST
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I would cry if that deal was made.
And probably hurt someone.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on
Nov 29, 2008 10:43 AM PST
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What about signing
Sheets to a short term contract to help him rebuild his value. Currently there is no buzz surrounding him. If because of his latest injury he doesn’t attract the long term contact he might be open to a 10 million 1 year deal. Compartitively his injury history has been less serious than Burnett. If the A’s are willing to spend on Furcal, it would make sense to gamble short term on Sheets. In the past this has worked ie. Frank Thomas. The A’s could sell him on their pitcher friendly park, good defense etc. I would be willing to good higher on dollar say $15K
by LBDirtbags on
Nov 29, 2008 10:11 AM PST
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I don't think Sheets will accept a 1yr deal.
His best gamble is to accept whatever multi year deal Ed Wade/some other dumbass GM throws out there for him. If he were to get hurt on a 1 year deal, his value goes through the floor. Talentwise, he’s only behind CC and Burnett. When those two are swiped up, there will be competition for Sheets, because someone will be willing to take a multiyear risk on an ace with huge upside. When Randy Fucking Wolf has a good shot at a multiyear deal and Kyle Lohse got one, Sheets has a good shot at one.
And, if he does accept 1 year deal, it’ll probably be for at least 12-15MM.
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by Blicks on
Nov 29, 2008 10:50 AM PST
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this could only
occur if he found the market place not to his liking. The Astros may be cutting salary. If the market place picks up the A’s won’t be able to compete for his services.
by LBDirtbags on
Nov 29, 2008 11:21 AM PST
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Of course if he is offered arbitration the cost of the pick would make him less attractive.
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Nov 29, 2008 10:14 AM PST
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Sheets is a sure lock to be offered arbitration.
If he accepts, it doesn’t hurt the Brewers in any way to have him back on a 1 year deal.
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by Blicks on
Nov 29, 2008 10:52 AM PST
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Especially since they could cut him if he got hurt in spring training and only be out part of the award
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 29, 2008 11:23 AM PST
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Gammons
2. The Braves, Cubs and seemingly everyone else claims they’re not in on Jake Peavy. What’s going on?
The Padres absolutely believe Cubs GM Jim Hendry can make this a three-way trade to get the Padres the pitching they need in addition to third base prospect Josh Vitters. The Braves were not going to have to surrender any of their five-best prospects, but have hesitated over Single-A level pitching. Peavy is a Cy Young winner, in case anyone’s forgotten.
padres want vitters plus pitching
A’s have the pitching to pass on, but no one i’d want from cubs
i’d give up pitching for headley though
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Nov 29, 2008 10:45 AM PST
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The Cubs really don't have anything that attracts me
And, when the Braves were talking Single-A level pitching, I’m betting it was over guys like Rohrborough and Teheran that they wouldn’t surrender. Again. Peavy for Yunel straight up is a fair deal for both sides.
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by Blicks on
Nov 29, 2008 10:56 AM PST
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The Padres are looking for a Dan Haren kind of deal and just Escobar would not do that.
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Nov 29, 2008 11:19 AM PST
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Peavy is worth less than Haren
so nobody will be willing to part with a Haren-type package.
1. Haren could be traded to anyone. Peavy has an NTC and has to approve teams. Reduces market.
2. Haren’s much cheaper than Peavy.
3. Haren has more durability than Peavy, who has a few injury knocks on him.
4. There are more frontline starters available on the FA market than there were last year. CC, Burnett, Lowe, etc.
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by Blicks on
Nov 29, 2008 11:34 AM PST
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they'd stll want more than a straight up deal
hanson/heyward were off limits so instead tried to convince them on
escobar
schafer or hernandez
morton or reyes
something similar to that…padres i’m sure would take the position players but that pitching is sort of lacking
by Asfan4ever723 on
Nov 29, 2008 11:42 AM PST
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Which is where we step in
One of Anderson/Cahill, H-Rod, and someone else and we get Yunel.
That way it isn’t a one-for-one.
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Nov 30, 2008 11:50 PM PST
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Peavy is also a Cy Young winner.
I am not saying they will get a Haren deal, if fact I seriously doubt it, but I do think that is what they were hoping for.
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Nov 29, 2008 11:46 AM PST
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Typical Gammons
Peavy is a Cy Young winner, in case anyone’s forgotten.
So are Steve Bedrosian, Pat Hentgen, and Mark Davis. So are several other old people, and a bunch of dead people.
That title/award has absolutely no impact upon his actual value to any prospective trade partners.
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Nov 29, 2008 3:38 PM PST
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Simply put, the A's should not get involved...
Escobar is the only guy on any of the teams linked to Peavy that would make sense to the A’s. Otherwise, it’s getting ride of guys just to acquire more prospects. That doesn’t exactly signal going forward and competing right away. It would really be getting rid of guys 1-3 years away from the bigs to get guys 1-3 years away.
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Nov 29, 2008 11:26 AM PST
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would you do straight up deal with padres
for a headley or kouzmanoff?
by Asfan4ever723 on
Nov 29, 2008 11:27 AM PST
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Straight up who for Headley or Kouzmanoff?
Personally, I’d say Headley yes, Kouz no – but who are we dealing? I’d part with a Mazzaro/Simmons/HRod pitcher in a deal to get Headley, but I’m not sure the extent of what it would take to land him.
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by Nico on
Nov 29, 2008 11:56 AM PST
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for headley yes
obviously kouz would be a lesser deal
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Nov 29, 2008 12:31 PM PST
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Kouzmanoff doesn't know how to get on base at the Major League level
Something isn’t translating with him in the bigs. Yes, I know he’s young and he’s got some time, but he needs to show me he can work a walk from time to time before I see any sort of deal for him.
Headley is gonna cost too much.
Besides, is Towers even considering getting rid of these guys?
I think he somehow believes that the Padres have a chance of competing this year or next, or else why would he be asking for Major League ready guys in a trade for Peavy?
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Nov 29, 2008 2:43 PM PST
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to appease his fan base
also, because he’s handled this poorly from a strategic standpoint.
"I'll make a list for the record. These people should be trusted: Sal, andeux, rfloh, danny...and no one else. Certainly not me. And even extra super-certainly not NSJ."
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agreed, he is committing GM murder right now
Why would any GM possibly be so vocal about getting rid of their best player when he hasn’t caused any problems that the public knows about?
He has put himself in a position where he almost has to get a deal done, or it’s gonna be a rough season for the Padres.
He’s acting exactly as Kenny Williams would act in this situation, and what does that do? It causes him to alienate some of his players…
That’s not to say he hasn’t made good deals in the past (Chicago did win a world series recently), but it’s just an absolutely ridiculous way of dealing with this stuff.
And that’s why Billy Beane is respected as a GM, because he doesn’t openly discuss free agents, or call out a player because of attitude problems, instead, he quietly shows them the door, or pulls a trade when no one is expecting it…
by stranahanahan on
Nov 29, 2008 6:03 PM PST
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Agreed. Way, WAY too publicized.
It’s going to be a rough season for the Padres regardless, with all the Moores drama going on. Fire sales don’t usually go well, especially when the team’s best/franchise players are getting traded. At least the Padres have Adrian Gonzalez.
Towers has received a more than adequate offer for Peavy, he should’ve traded Peavy to the Braves for Escobar + whatever the Braves gave up (Peavy for Escobar straight up is a solid deal for both sides).
Cubs and Astros were/are both ridiculous. Who wants to give up top prospects for one of the Cubs’ overpaid vets?!?!?! Nobody!!!!! The Padres actually need Josh Vitters (will probably be ready when the Padres are ready to contend again).
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by Blicks on
Nov 29, 2008 6:39 PM PST
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Towers has to get a deal done
He needs to drop payroll to $40 million.
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by grover on
Nov 29, 2008 6:45 PM PST
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Link?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Nov 29, 2008 8:08 PM PST
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Front page of Gaslampball
Link the the actual story. Direct quote from Towers.
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by grover on
Nov 29, 2008 10:28 PM PST
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Sure, wasn't doubting you
Just curious.
Man, that was an incredibly unwise thing to say. He just defenestrated his negotiating leverage.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 30, 2008 12:08 PM PST
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Didn't think you doubted me.
I’m just not very eloquent at 2230 on a Saturday night.
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by grover on
Nov 30, 2008 1:35 PM PST
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Wait, 2230 Folsom, or 2230 Fair Oaks?
Because I was at one of those parties last night. Did you hear gentle braying?
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by Nico on
Nov 30, 2008 2:05 PM PST
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what does the current payroll of the Pads stand at?
by mrod on
Nov 29, 2008 7:37 PM PST
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About 50MM, factoring in arbitration
If Peavy’s 11MM were to come out, he’d be squarely in the 40MM range, with 1MM breathing room if an arbi case goes high.
Although trading Giles + Bard could also put the Padres at 40MM (Bard made 2.5 MM in ‘08 and is arbi eligible, and GIles makes 9MM in ’09). Peavy’s value is at a max this year though, before he gets even more expensive (and thus loses value) in 2010, so it is best for Towers to trade him this offseason.
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by Blicks on
Nov 29, 2008 7:59 PM PST
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Josh Bard is a free agent
They released him after the season.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 29, 2008 10:15 PM PST
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Letting the bidding war begin
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by Nico on
Nov 29, 2008 10:20 PM PST
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So then Giles alone would put them at or under 40MM
although it is still smart to trade Peavy now.
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by Blicks on
Nov 30, 2008 7:50 AM PST
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question.....just theoretically of course
If you were the A’s GM and were curious as to what it would take to pry Peavy away from SD, what would your answer be?
I ask this because now it seems that any team with decent prospects and players in return would be dealing from a position of strength, as far as dealing with Kevin Towers goes……
He’s an awesome pitcher even though he has a had a few bumps on the health meter. With his salary becoming a big burden on SD and the state of “trading Peavy” becoming a mess, I would think that it would not take as much to pry Peavy away from the Pads as most would think.
by mrod on
Nov 29, 2008 7:42 PM PST
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Answer to what it would take or what you would give?
I actually think if Eric Patterson is going to succeed anywhere, it’s probably San Diego, so I’ll throw him into a package. Let’s say Cahill/Anderson were off the table (because personally I wouldn’t deal either of them if that’s what it took) – maybe Mazzaro, Demel or Carignan, Buck or Sweeney or Cunningham, and Patterson? More? Less? I don’t know.
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by Nico on
Nov 29, 2008 7:52 PM PST
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Actually it would be that much
At this point he doesn’t have a buyer for Peavy. The Cubs don’t have what the Padres want and the Braves won’t give up their younger versions of Cahill or Anderson. So, if the Padres want to sell it will be for a lot less than what they are looking for.
I think the Padres best deal, if they can still get it would be with the Braves. But who knows at this point. Too many good FA pitchers this offseason.
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by Eastbayjim on
Nov 29, 2008 8:14 PM PST
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personally,
I’d be fundamentally opposed to the A’s carrying a pitcher who made as much as $20M per year, given the A’s current annual payroll budgets.
I’d never pay a pitcher $20M a year on an $80M or less payroll team. Thus I’d never enter into negotiations to acquire Peavy if I ran the A’s.
I’d do that for a hitter, maybe, if it was absolutely the right hitter. But not for Jake Peavy, and not for any pitcher.
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by notsellingjeans on
Nov 29, 2008 10:29 PM PST
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the righty hitter?...
say…MATT HOLLIDAY?!?!?
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Nov 30, 2008 1:37 AM PST
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He's a smarter bet than any other hitter on the market
Healthy, good defense, agile, not likely to see too many negative effects of aging, and he’d be cheaper than Teixeira. He brings the whole package.
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Nov 30, 2008 6:31 AM PST
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