DLD (11/24/08): Report - Furcal to sign with A's
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 24, 2008 6:52 AM PST
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PrintIt looks like the A's might get their man. A healthy Furcal would have a significant impact on the A's offense. Combined with Holliday, this is shaping up to be a great winter for our beloved Athletics. GET IT DONE BB!
The free agent shortstop told El Caribe that he would return from his native Dominican Republic to the United States on Monday to sign a contract –- and judging by what he said, it sounds like he could be joining the Oakland Athletics.
Furcal revealed that he has been offered a four-year, $48-million contract by the A’s that includes incentives that could push its value to more than $50 million.Furcal said he has also received a substantial offer from the New York Mets, who want him as a second baseman. "The offers made by the Athletics and the Mets of New York are tempting, but we’ll make a decision after I meet with my lawyer because there are various factors that we have to evaluate," he said. "But my general feeling is that every offer that’s been made is important, which is why we want to make a decision that’s well thought out."
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I'm lovin' it!
(please don’t sue me McDonalds)
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
A few calculations
Marcel projected wOBA: .336. Let’s call that about league average, so he’s +0 as a hitter. Sean Smith puts him at +2 as a shortstop, so let’s say that he’s +0 as a fielder. He’s a good baserunner, let’s give him +5 for that. So, let’s say he’s +5 over a full season, and throw in 27.5 as a SS replacement level. Assuming he plays in 125 games, that’s 25 runs above replacement, or 2.5 wins.
Free agent going rate is about $4.8 MM per win, so his “true market value” is…$12 MM. Looks like a fair contract if he’s healthy enough for 125 games. The last two years might get ugly, though.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
If he plays good D, hits league average, and runs the bases well...
I’d be happier than a pig at slop time.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
I guess the other part of the equation is that
Furcal will take over for a guy who is projected as a replacement level SS. If Furcal is 2.5 WAR, then we’re getting all of that as upgrade.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
And you're forgetting to subtract Crosby's salary
Since I assume he’ll be moved. And if the A’s eat some of that salary, you don’t subtract it but consider the talent they get in exchange.
This is probably a win, but only if Furcal is healthy.
by thejd44 on Nov 24, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
i'm surprised no other team made a similar offer to that 4-48
McGwire belongs in the Hall so put him there
by streetisclosedin08 on Nov 24, 2008 7:29 AM PST reply actions
This...
Totally made my morning. Hopefully I’ll soon hear that he HAS signed.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Gio Gonzalez is my hero.
Whoaaaa.
I didn’t think it would actually happen (assuming it does), after all AN’s speculation and 842730 Furcal posts. This is going to be a kRaZEe day around here.
add 1 to the total
i made one but deleted it within seconds (i forgot to refresh AN first).
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
AHHH!!!!
I won’t be around my computer at all today! The suspense is going to kill me!
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
pickup line of the month
I would totally give my number to a guy who offered to call with A’s signing and trade news….
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Nov 24, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I just got back, after being without internet all day.
Disappointed that it’s not official… but at least I didn’t miss all of the fun.
by whiteshoes40 on Nov 24, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone know if Furcal is a Type A?
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
I've read he is a pretty mellow, even-keeled guy so I doubt it.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 24, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
He is not a Type A free agent...due in part to to his lost season last year.
The A’s will jot lose a pick for signing him…big part of the reason BB wants to sign him, besides the fact that Crosby sucks.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 24, 2008 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
$48m for a guy with a surgically repaired back at a skill position?
Billy must really hate Bobby Crosby.
Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.
i'm with you
I don’t see this as a good bet.
Beane's World!! Excellent!!! Rock On, Beane! Rock On, Geren!
Met Life of Omaha or
the Mets of New York
Beane's World!! Excellent!!! Rock On, Beane! Rock On, Geren!
more furcal links
Rafael Furcal told El Caribe that the A’s have offered him a four-year contract worth $48 million that could reach $50 million including incentives. It’s an interesting offer, as it gives Furcal the length he is desiring in a contract, but the guaranteed money is less in average annual value than the three-year, $39 million contract he played for with the Dodgers. Furcal also said that the New York Mets have offered him a contract. Reportedly, he is returning from the Dominican to weigh the offers with his agent.
Rafael Furcal said Sunday that the A’s have offered him a four-year, $48 million contract.
Furcal added that he’s also received an offer from the Mets to play second base and plans to meet with his agent to go over his options. Oakland was thought to be in rebuilding mode while stockpiling young talent, but signing Furcal on the heels of trading for Matt Holliday would signal that the A’s believe the AL West is winnable in 2009.
Source: El Caribe
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
el caribe translated
Santiago. The torpedo Rafael Furcal, who witnessed the game between Licey and Aguilas in the Cibao stadium, will travel today to the United States and it is expected that in the coming hours must sign with one of several teams who have claimed their services from the agency where freedom is inscribed.
The player himself told El Caribe that the Athletics are offering him a deal of 48 million and four years plus incentives that could round up 50 million.
"The offer from the Athletics and the New York Mets looks tempting, but everything we decide then that I meet with my lawyer, because there are several factors that we have to evaluate, but in general all the offers that we are doing are important and we want to make a decision well thought out, "said Furcal.
Another team that offered an undisclosed bid for the player is that of the New York Mets, who got into the globe looking for the native of Loma de Cabrera play around with the Mets second cushion.
Other teams who have shown interest in acquiring the services of the Dominican Republic is that of the Dodgers, with whom he has just an exhausting four-year contract for more than fifty million dollars.
Similarly the San Francisco Giants is another of the sets that have been trying to free agency in the Dominican Republic.
the patrol craft is gone, but we may add… the torpedo!
what is the agency where freedom is inscribed?
i just hope this four-year contract isn’t exhausting…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
"play around with the Mets second cushion."
and that sounds kind of kinky. Can we invite him to play around with the A’s small halt?
Better to play around with the Mets second cushion than the Mets second cousin
I’m just guessing anyway, based on what Mr. Met looks like and all.
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
el torpedero =
torpedo boat.
so that’s even better, right?
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
actually
i think what i’m most excited about in that article is that the Spanish for outfielder is ‘jardinero’, or gardener. i did not know this.
i wonder if short stop is torpedero?
oh. i’ve just looked it up. yes it is
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=499435
still. happy days, huh
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
And chocolates = strickouts!
I learned that from watching an A’s game on the Spanish channel when Jack Cust came up to bat. The announcers said “El tiene ciento cincuenta chocolates!”
At first I thought they were trying to say he was fat.
A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08
seriously?
that’s brilliant.
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, I found a Spanish Baseball Slang listing online and it was in there.
A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08
link?
i’d really like to see this.
thanks
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
http://www.planeta.com/ecotravel/schools/vocab_deporte.html
A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08
ahahaha cuadrangular for home run is awesome
thanks for the link
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by iamawesomer on Nov 24, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I guess it's sorta like our "four-bagger"? :)
No prob!
A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08
thanks
that’s brilliant.
Outfielder – Guardabosques
= woods guarder
ie – the one who stops the ball being lost in the trees.
how do i change my name on this thing?
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Cust = Forest Gump's Mom
“Life is like a box of chocolates”.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
It depends on the quality of the outfielder
It could be mucho jar[s/of/]dinero depending on their OPS, speed, throwing arm, and ability to play CF.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 24, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
In that old article on Cargo, I believe they referred to center field as the “central garden”. So you may have your answer there: “Gardener” is a bad translation of “Fielder”.
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
by Philip Christy on Nov 24, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
principe jardinero
to play first base?
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Fucal playing his cards
Don’t get to excited about this news. Fucal is using the A’s deal to spin more offers and higher pay. What we learned in the past is Sabean is stupid enough to overpay and offer him more. If the giants do then let him walk to pac bell.
Crosby's value just took a hit.
Any team in need of a (starting?) SS just got an opportunity to aqcuire one for a PTBNL. Maybe, realistically, only a bucket of batting practice baseballs, though. You thought that Crosby was a fragile player didn’t you? Shit, being tossed under the bus is sure to scare away potential suitors now; considering that I encountered peanut brittle that’s been more durable.
Who cares what we get back?
It’s addition by subtraction.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
ugh no
he’s still an alternative to expensive FA SS’s as a 1 yr stop gap.
they’ll get something if they pay a chunk of that 5mill
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 24, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
I can't wait to be traded for Bobby Crosby
by I'm your PTBNL on Nov 24, 2008 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
considering what the a's got back for kotsay and kendall
i’m hoping for more than that.
crosby + whatever spare parts / prospects it takes to make it happen —> a reliable #4-type staring pitcher
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
“reliable”
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
also “#4”
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
And wasn't even a #5 when with the Phils, Dodgers, and Rangers
I’m still waiting for Myers to pan out, grover, so that I can dredge up an old link. I still have not forgotten our disagreement from a couple of years back. I still want you to have a dish of that crow.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 24, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Your disagreements with me may be memorable to you
But for me, it was just another Thursday.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Interesting to look at the other side of the offer...
Seeing that the Mets also made Furcal an offer, I went to check out how that news is being received on Metsblog. Based on the first 100 or so comments on there, it looks like most of the commenters think it’s a bad deal for the Mets, and don’t want Furcal – mainly because they’re worried about his injury history (since they’re coming off a year where their 2B, Castillo, had injury problems) and are concerned that the team isn’t clearing up their pitching problems first.
A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08
S***, I hate Boston.
Nice going.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 24, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
dont fight this feeling anymore
also, I take your hate personally.
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Nov 24, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
all right now...
don’t make me escalate this into Air Supply territory!
"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 24, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
All right now?
That’s Free, because the Air Supply far outstrips the demand. Love is a different matter, though; I’m all out of love.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 24, 2008 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
you can always
make love out of nothing at all
You'd like to think so wouldn't you?
So where did you hear this from? Did you hear it from a friend who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from another…
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 25, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Whaaaa???
+scratches head and rubs eyes+
4 years?!?! Whaa?
Why would the Mets sign him?
I know that's a pisser, baby.
I'm surprised how positive people are being
4 years is a LOT of years. 48M is a LOT of money.
I suppose this still allows an RJ or Penny signing (which Beane has suggested is unlikely), but it’s a lot to kick in for Furcal.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
The yearly salary is less than most anticipated.
From what I recall — albeit it’s Monday, and I’m lazy — a good amount of the clamoring was for a 2/28 or even a 2/30 type of deal.
It’s pretty much market value, per salb… I’m OK with that, even if the 3rd/4th years are a potential albatross.
4/48 is a big deal.
but we are playing Bobby Crosby, and the pipeline looks empty. just sayin.
Save Rajai Davis
Without trying to be overly dismissive...
… the vibe I’m getting is that a lotta folks ‘round here are just happy that they won’t be watching the throbbing pile they had to watch this past season. I imagine in the coming years we’ll have all the requisite “I hate X player with the big contract” posts soon enough.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
Barton already has
the DL staples covered
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Nov 24, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Slusser Reporting...
Article from the DR untrue.
No problem....
I just found it myself also. Sounds like it may be more of the year/dollar amount thats untrue versus the A’s not actually offering a contract. I’m sure it’s close either way, as it sounds as though the fact that the A’s made an offer cannot be denied and that is the type of deal I could see them going for.
4/44 with incentives to push to 50 would be just fine too
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Interestingly, the Mets side is now also denying the validity of the report...
…in an update to his blog for SI.com, Jon Heyman writes, "I wouldn’t doubt that the A’s have made him a big offer…I do doubt that the Mets have shown any serious interest."
In fact, Heyman quotes a person familiar with the Mets dealings as saying, "No offer has been made."
-metsblog
A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08
What the hey? I thought this was a DLD ...
If Lew gets fed up with the whole EIR process and decides to sell, I think he should shop the A’s to these guys.
This is the best explanation I’ve ever seen for Larry Davis.
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
Hilarious
"I have prepared one dance. It’s called the ‘throwing-a-hand-grenade’ dance’, hesaidintoned darkly.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
mike piazza does not subscribe to that newspaper.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
There's mf'n snakes on the mf'n chopper!
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
Since we are stuck on Furcal
Maybe we can lure him into Oakland with some of these.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
i had never read anything by this dave barry fellow until i read this article.
my god, that was not at all funny.
Women start behaving this way early in the holiday season, by which I mean July.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Dave Barry was once humorous, long ago.
But I think he has the greatest appeal to 16 year olds discovering for the first time that the written word can be funny.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
hahahaha
See, he’s making fun of women (always a winner with almost half the population) and he’s making fun of how the holiday season begins earlier and earlier every year. He’s using hyperbole (dave barry = PaulThomas?!?!) to show this. Classic!
by thejd44 on Nov 24, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I kept expect a sentence to begin with
“What’s the deal with…”
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
right but i had already made a similar joke in the 1953 holiday edition of the topeka high register when i wrote “be sure to negotiate a reasonable christmas shopping allowance with your wife, by which i mean the gross domestic product of djibouti.”
see, you thought it was going to be reasonable, and then BAM!
unfortunately djibouti wasn’t a state yet so no one got it.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
your problem was twofold...
At the time, Djibouti was called “The Territory Of The Afars And Issas,”
and the only comedian who could have pulled that one off as a punchline was Andy Kaufman…
Therefore, your problem was not merely the nomenclature, but also not being Andy Kaufman.
"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 24, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Gift Guide is Awesome! I might actually use it!
I’ll get the Wearable Sleeping Bag for my Dad, the Gassy Gus Flatulence Game for my sister and the Head Spa Massager for my mom.
That will get me out of having to give any presents for the next decade!
facepalm.jpg
Whenever I think of the free agent shortstops, I start singing....
I don’t Edgar Renteria, I don’t Rafael Furcal
I need another shorstop so I can win at baseball
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
Or maybe I think
of this.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
I love old links.
It’s fun to see old sig lines. Also in that DLD 3 years ago:
“”http://www.athleticsnation.com/2005/12/6/105543/138#68465" >bye bye Cust"
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
shit
Fine, I’ll html it myself. F%#!ing shortcuts.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
Whenever I think of SSs that play for the Athletics...
…I also start sininging — from the same song:
I feel the break,
Feel the break,
Feel the break and I got to bandage up
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 24, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
for the people who used to read the dugout
DontPracticeRenteria
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
The Dugout is still going
They’re just posting them on fanball now.
They’re still hilarious.
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Nov 25, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
not even close
to the old wordupthome site because they can’t be vulgar on AOL.
still not bad though.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Hello.
My name is Inigo Montoya.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
Sometimes I think I'm the only person in the world who saw that movie and hated it
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I think it failed both as satire and as a story I'd care about at all
It was trying to do both and ended up doing neither.
At least that’s how I saw it.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I don't know if you're supposed to care about it.
I always say it as pure, kitschy satire.
au contra ire
But I didn't think it worked as satire, either. I didn't find any of it funny or clever, just immensely pleased with itself and annoying.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
You are.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
hell, i liked that movie
and it didn’t even have vampires in.
it did, however, have some amazing accents, which is a pretty easy button to push when it comes to comedy
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
When I saw the movie
I thought, “enh, it was OK but the book was soooo much better”. I had read the book when it was new, and I totally loved it.
Earlier this year I reread the book, and realized that the book and the movie actually aren’t that much different. The book is kind of meh, too, but I was younger when I read it, so I guess I enjoyed it more.
It’s also very dated. The book is very very 70s. I’m not sure if that’s more of a problem or less of a problem for those of us who actually remember the 70s. You read and you keep thinking, “omigod, I forgot we were like that back then.” Even though the story is set in imaginary time, you can still totally tell what era it is.
One thing especially chronocentric is the fuss about the other princess having no hair. I don’t remember how the movie was on that, but in the book it was a huge deal. As if having no hair was like the most mortifying thing imaginable. I’ve seen that in other 70s books, too. Hair was a cultural obsession in the 1970s. Now it’s like, yeah, whatever.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
Flow it, show it, long as God can grow it, my hair
I want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy, snaggy, shaggy, ratty, matty, oily, greasy, fleecy, shining, gleaming, streaming, flaxen, waxen, knotted, polka-dotted, twisted, beaded, braided, powdered, flowered, and confettied, bangled, tangled, spangled, and spaghettied!
I have no idea why my Inigo Montoya comment got posted here, where it means nothing,
as well as being posted in the place where it belongs, which is downthread as a reply to JediLeroy’s weird “Twilight” pic.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
2009 Projected Lineup:
Put Furcal on the roster and leave the rest of the roster as it stands now..here’s my projection…I’m interested in seeing yours.
1) Furcal (ss)
2)Sweeney (cf)
3)Cust (dh)
4)Holliday (lf)
5)Chavez (3b..we can only hope)
6)Suzuki ©
7)Buck (rf)
8)Barton (1b)
9)Ellis (2b)
Wouldnt that be great to see this lineup 120 times.
Throw in Cunningham in and we got a shot at the Angles.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
That would be great
Nothing would excite me more than seeing the Angels miss out on him and any other top free agent they are after.
Im not sure if we would actually beat them out
but at least we would have a shot. And thats exciting.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Seeing the Angels lose out
on the Texiera sweepstakes would be delightful, especially if it’s followed by a season of Vlad suffering from minor injuries that significantly degrade his performance. To top it off, how about their rotation falling to earth with a loud thud?
This is all feasible isn’t it? Isn’t it?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Sure is.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Even if they don't get Teixeira they could get Dunn.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
i’m hoping dunn signs with another team first, and then the angels lose teixeira to one of the teams in the east.
i don’t really care who they add after that.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Would you rather...
Isn’t Lackey a FA after this season? If so, would you rather have the Angels sign Tex and then lose Lackey next year or have the Angels lose out on Tex and resign Lackey?
by I'm your PTBNL on Nov 24, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Lose Teixeira and keep Lackey
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
my god I hate Lackey
my hate for Lackey is deeply rooted. I despise that man more than any other baseball person. fjnl
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I can live with them getting CC.
The A’s can hit Lackey (who is due for regression) around.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
They've never really hit him around before.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Assuming things go well for the developing players, I would start with this
Buck (if Buck does the 2008 thing, this becomes Furcal and Cunningham comes in somewhere)
Cust (mmmm… OBP in the 2 hole)
Chavez (#3 hitter shouldn’t be as good as others in #1-4)
Holliday
Barton (there is literally no one below Barton with any power. Barton has the best shot of slugging .400)
Furcal (to steal bases and get driven in by singles hitters)
Sweeney
Suzuki
Ellis
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Could probably swap Furcal and Buck to get a more realistic "traditional" lineup
Since Furcal is considered a leadoff hitter.
Have people forgotten that Ellis can, like, hit?
Seems to me he hit 19 HR not so long ago. You know, last year. He’s not Adam Everett.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
So put him as high as #7 if you want
Ellis has very large swings season-to-season (and a career 99 OPS+)
I’m fine with Ellis, Sweeney, Suzuki or Sweeney, Ellis, Suzuki.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
still lacks 1 more hitter
or i guess the hope that chavez/ellis/buck/barton can have healthy and fairly producctive seasons
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 24, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
The A's can make up for that with their defense though.
Especially if they get Furcal, which is a HUGE improvement in defense.
Chavez, Furcal, Holliday, and Ellis are all top notch defenders. Barton is coming up as one.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
I still don't like the idea of Furcal batting 1st
Furcal first and (good) Buck 7th is ludicrous
by thejd44 on Nov 24, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
2009 projected lineup with assumptions
We better hope this assumption of Furcal comes true but here would be my projection…
1) Furcal- SS
2) Sweeney-CF
3) Holliday-LF
4) Giambi-1B/DH-If were gonna assume Furcal lets assume Giambi for a cheap/short deal
5) Chavez-3B pray for his health
6) Cust-DH
7) Ellis-2B
8) Suzuki-C
9) Buck-LF-Hope he regains the form from 07 when he was leading off at times
Assume we keep Barton and he plays a little first and bats in the sixth to eight hole when he plays. I think that Cust would be most affected IF, thats a big IF the A’s do sign Giambi because I believe that Barton is still going to get some playing time and Giambi is a better hitter than Cust so Cust will suffer and actually ride the bench 75% of the time Barton plays first which would probably be every three games or so…Again projections with two big ifs in the lineup right now. We still have to sign Furcal.
What has anybody heard on potential SP’s being signed?
[Insert my repetitive "please stop mentioning Giambi, he makes no sense at all" post here]
Again.
Also, Holliday hitting #3 is silly (#3 is worst spot of the top 4). Cust hitting #6 is way too low.
Giambi is a better hitter than Cust
Is a false statement. Try Giambi was a better hitter than Cust several years ago.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Wow, that's one I hadn't seen yet.
Some day one of us should catalog all the weird formatting that AN does.
I think it’s changed since the original AN3 release. For example, it doesn’t appear to be doing raw text for any paragraph starting with a space any more.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
As the Furcal Turns
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Nov 24, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Thoughts...
As I try to take a deep breath and separate the mixed emotions of excitement and happiness. I am lead to the following conclusions, emotional and otherwise…It is all pretty obvious and unscientific.
PRO: I am excited about the idea that we may be acquiring Furcal for approximately ~$12 million a season, give or take. Every million is critical.
CON: I am not excited about the prospect of year 4. I’d much rather have structured a 3 year deal worth ~$13 million a season. However, that probably wouldn’t get it done, and I’d rather 4 years at $12 million than 3 years at, say, $15-16 million.
PRO: We probably won’t have a good SS replacement for AT LEAST 3 years within the system, also there were no good buy-low trade partners.
CON: We will never be able to relax. Every time he steals a base, we will worry that his pinky finger will get stepped on, or some other crap.
PRO: If he doesn’t get injured, SS is locked in for long enough to ensure a decent replacement.
PRO: Assuming Furcal is in fact signed, the A’s lineup is, for now, unquestionably superior to the Angels lineup.
Lineup Projection:
Furcal – Lets be realistic
Cust – Should hit before Holliday, takes pitches for the Furcal (rare) SB attempts.
Holliday – Yes, plz
Giambi – I’ll pay $8million to hedge my bets and stop the Barton clock until we are sure.
Chavez – Innocent until proven guilty….sigh
Suzuki – contact from the right-side
Buck – Assuming good Spring Training
Sweeney – See Buck
Ellis – Round-2 lead-off hitter…gritty veteran presence!
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[Insert my repetitive "please stop mentioning Giambi, he makes no sense at all" post here]
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
You guys are blind.
If we can afford him, he improves our chances of being good in 2009. What doesn’t make sense about that.
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on a one year deal only
assuming it doesn’t remove cust from a starting job..
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
What doesn't make sense?
He’s 39, going to be in a pitchers park, can’t play defense, and it’s questionable whether or not the offensive increase over Barton is worth the defensive hit and $10MM.
Of course, that assumes that Barton gets better.
No. He doesn't.
1. He blocks Barton. Barton is likely to be better than he was last year, and is on the upward slope of his career. Remember that a year ago he was our best prospect and that he has had some success in MLB.
2. He costs a lot of money, and requires a multi-year deal. Barton is substantially free.
3. He is 38 years old, and has seen a steady downward trend in his stats. I’d be surprised if he posts an OPS+ over 120.
4. He can’t play defense. I think there’s a good chance Barton posts a 120 OPS+ too, but if you consider the runs Giambi’s glove gives up, Barton doesn’t need to do too much better than last year’s 85 OPS+ to provide equivalent value.
5. The Home Runs will drop off both because of aging and a move to Oakland.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
"I think there’s a good chance Barton posts a 120 OPS+"
Not a chance this year.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Response
1. Blocks Barton? He allows us to retain Barton for longer…when Barton is more likely to be peaking….
2. Multi-year deal? You know this how? I would definitely be against that if substantiated. If it is a 1-year deal though, the money shouldnt matter to you at all.
3. If he doesn’t produce we still have Barton…
4. Again, if he doesn’t produce we still have Barton…
5. See points 3 and 4.
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Do you think Barton will be better in 2009 than he was in 2008?
Along with that, do you think Giambi will be worse?
I’d say both of those are pretty likely to be true.
Couple that with the fact that Giambi is likely to be significantly worse on defense, probably costing around 1 to 1.5 wins compared to Barton (Barton projects as +4, Giambi as -8). To me, that means that Giambi would need to be about 3 or 4 wins better than Barton with the bat next year to be worth giving a $10M deal, or 2/18, or whatever it’s proposed to be.
I just don’t see that happening.
Oops.. forgot to add
I’d rather see that 8-10M spent on Randy Johnson, or Derek Lowe, or Brad Penny on an incentive based deal.
Those guys have a MUCH higher chance of being 2 wins better than whoever is penciled in as the 4th or 5th starter.
My positions...
I think my underlying critical belief is that I don’t want to see the A’s make a multi-year commitment on any of the pitchers available. If D-Loweballs is cheap and can be had for 2 years that is the possible exception, but RJ…you’ve got to be kidding me. Let the youth improve and gain experience for ’10, they will still probably be as good or better as RJ in ’09.
So, I realize that is a large assumption, but if one does assume that the pitching market is not a good investment…I think a 1-year deal on Giambi is likely to add value to the A’s.
IF Barton doesn’t improve significantly
IF Giambi doesn’t decline significantly
Lets not forget that even if Barton takes off he adds injury/suck insurance for both Barton and Cust.
Even if everyone is healthy and performing…would it not be marginally valuable to have Giambi as a part-time bench player/late game pinch hitter? NO, that would kick-ass and he would still add value to the club.
So, essentially my point is that under any circumstance he would add value to the team, maybe not a lot, but maybe so, and value nonetheless. So, if you assume the money doesn’t get spent otherwise, might as well spend it in a way that doesn’t negatively impact the future and helps out the current club.
Side-note: Is Giambi a type A free agent? That would certainly factor in, if only slightly.
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sorry for typos
I really should proof read once in a while
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Also, despite that this somewhat undermines my credibility...
I like the 1% intangible that Giambi really grooves in the Coliseum. Many possible reasons for this…all very unlikely yes, but it would be really fun to have him back. Even if its Giambi-lite
ARENT WE FORGETTING THE AMAZING GIAMBI-CHAVEZ SYNERGY EFFECT?!?!?!
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Sure
If not signing Giambi provides no benefit to the A’s besides ownership saving the money, sign him.
If, as is signficantly more likely, it prevents other moves in either the Free Agent market, the international signing market, or overslot drafting, then it makes no sense.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I assume it's Holliday/Sweeney/Buck in the OF, Cust DH, and Giambi at 1B right?
Giambi is projected to be bad enough with the glove — even at first base — that it would probably equal how much better he is than Barton with the bat next year.
wow. epic fail from me on the linkage...
but what the hell is going on? Kinzer calls the report “bogus” then says a team has a 4 year offer, won’t say who it’s from, but that the A’s are “very interested”.
Is this posturing or just a day of epic misunderstandings?
It's Paul Kinzer
the same agent that made himself look rather idiotic in an interview w/ NY media over K-Rod.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
Posturing?
If negotiations are ongoing, it’s in both parties interests to maintain silence. It makes me wonder if the A’s are devious enough to leak a phony offer in order to guage Furcal’s reaction though.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
interesting idea
it is billy beane we’re talking about here…
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Well the Giants are out
They apparently just signed Renteria to a two year- 18 million dollar deal.
good news
-i don’t want renteria and it sounded like he was plan B
-removes a crazy-spending team from the furcal sweepstakes
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
surprise, az?
could be code for the royals or rangers…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
The biggest surprise would be the Marlins
Then Yankees
Then Mets
Then Phillies
Then Padres
Then I’m not sure
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yankees would be Cashman/Hankie getting smart
and realizing that Jeter should NOT be playing SS.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
premature excitement
i guess nothing happens for at least a couple more weeks…at least this filled a couple hours of news
back to your regularly scheduled programming
premature excitement
i’ve found has never filled a couple of hours
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
it's only monday
and i’ve already heard that twice this week
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Nov 25, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
reports that the Giants have signed Renteria
to a two year deal…if that’s true they’re out of the Furcal chase.
2 years, 18 million according to MLBTR
Of course, the link to WFAN that they cite just goes to the WFAN home page.
woohoo!
Gotta love them Giants haha.
Good Choice guys!
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Isn't it sad to know that Bobby Crosby is worth about $10 million/yr?
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
No, that's GREAT to know.
Clearly he’s underpaid by over $4MM per year. Billy can use that as a negotiating tool!
No, because Edgar Renteria is substantially better than Bobby Crosby
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
not if you adjust for high socks
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
The rule about investing in socks
Buy low and sell high
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 24, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
I don't buy that
I don’t think he’s any better, much less sustantially. They’re a wash offensively, and Renteria’s defense has apparently drastically declined.
by thejd44 on Nov 24, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately/Fortunately
Sabes and many other GMs would disagree.
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Bobby Crosby wishes he was Renteria's equal with the bat
Renteria Marcel wOBA: 336
Crosby Marcel wOBA: 291
It’s not even close.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
Trying to figure out what Renteria has done to earn that
Certianly nothing he’s done on the field (in the AL, anyway).
by thejd44 on Nov 24, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Wow... Crosby really sucks...
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
mlb.com is now reporting that Furcal could sign as early as today...
“Furcal could sign four-year deal soon”
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081124&content_id=3690721&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp
sort of makes sense, right?
I mean he’s flying from the Domican Republic to meet with agents, GMs, lawyers, so unless he is planning an extended stay in the US, wouldn’t it seem about right that he would sign in the next week?
now Furcal is apparentally on his way to the West Coast to sign with either the A's or Giants...
although a third team may still be involved…
This is intense…
And if it's us then I still think Billy is nowhere near done
pure speculation but do you think Billy is still trying to lure someone else in the high priced range and is putting together a good offense to attract them.
Who knows but it sure is fun speculating.
Pirates sign 2 Indian pitchers.
As in, from India. Not cleveland.
dunno if y’all have been following this story, but it’s pretty neat/amusing
http://www.walkoffwalk.com/2008/11/baseball-yatra-is-great-succes.html
their blog:
http://www.themilliondollararm.com/blog/
from earlier this month:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-11-04-india-pitchers_N.htm
Save Rajai Davis
Best quote
Patel loves the New York Yankees and didn’t quite understand why they weren’t in the playoffs.
Typical New Yorker…
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I don't like this Patel character
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Fucking Boras handed him a million dollars, told him to sign the deal, and he wouldn't sign it.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
LOL
i’m obligated to post here
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
"You. Put down the coffee"
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Forgot to say -- do you think that's what Geren said to Street?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
A always B be C closing
“put that coffee down! coffee’s for closers only.”
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Now the SF Chronicle says the Renteria deal is not all done yet
Kinzer said, “Unless the Giants did it in the last 10 minutes, which I don’t think they did, they weren’t close.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn?blogid=22
Today is ridiculous.
A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08
It's been two weeks since anyone has used the word "verge" in a comment.
Just sayin’
by green star oakland on Nov 24, 2008 3:28 PM PST reply actions
We are on the verge of being duped again by some obscure Latin American news source
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Nov 24, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
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I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Nov 24, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
I never before realized that at a low enough resolution, Tom Petty looks like Liz Phair
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
Renteria, pfft-pfft.
Renteria, pfft-pfft.
There’s a signing on the verge
By an owner who will splurge
Renteria, pfft-pfft.
Renteria, pfft-pfft.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 24, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
On the verge of doing what with Cust?
A mention of the word “verge” just isn’t right unless the name “Cust” is in the same sentence.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 24, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
The original vergin'
was and always will be Frank.
by green star oakland on Nov 24, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Frank Thomas is a virgin?
i wouldn’t let him hear you say that
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
I could have sworn that the orginal "verge"
was some poster, back in 2004 (I think), writting that Cust was on verge of being aqcuired. It ended up being a rumor that didn’t pan out. I’ve searched the archives but cannot find it. My memory can’t be that bad; can it?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 24, 2008 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
this misiformation is annoying
someone is not telling the truth or hoping this leaked info pushes a bidding war
has it been confirmed if furcal is even on a plane to the west coast?
if sabean/colletti are at all involved , beane better step back and let dumb an dumber mess them ownselves up..trainwreck waiting to happen
It's quite possibly Furcal's body double on the plane to the West Coast
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Nov 24, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
and where is this plane landing?
and can we go meet it?
when soccerball players in Europe get transferred from one team to another, they are often greeted at the airport by hoards of baying fans.
of course, this may have something more to do with unemployment, but hey, we gotta amuse ourselves somehow
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I'm convinced we can catch them
“This may have something more to do with unemployment.”
By the time the A’s acquire A-Rod or Brandon Webb before the 2010 season I’m betting we’ll have plenty of fans with available time to meet their mid-day flights.
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 24, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
The front of the plane will land in Oakland.
The rear, in San Francisco.
For the first year, we’ll have good Furcal.
The second year, about 3 episodes in, we’ll find out that the other half of Furcal survived and is being slowly killed by “the others”—loose bodies that nobody knew about.
au contra ire
Hello.
My name is Inigo Montoya.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
A girl in one of my classes, who I started talking to
wanted to see the movie.
I might take her soon.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
I hope you're not a teacher.
"I'll make a list for the record. These people should be trusted: Sal, andeux, rfloh, danny...and no one else. Certainly not me. And even extra super-certainly not NSJ."
by notsellingjeans on Nov 24, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Field Trip!
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Nov 24, 2008 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Can we stop with the vampires already?
When is someone going to explore the romantic possibilities of zombies? Or at least do a tween movie about Chinese vampires, who are blind and can’t bend their knees?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
how's about zombie sheep
seriously
http://www.blacksheep-themovie.com/BlackSheep.aspx
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yup - seen that one
and it’s pretty funny (although Nico shouldn’t see it).
by green star oakland on Nov 24, 2008 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
You haven't seen Vampiyaz
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0415348/
It’ll make you love vampire movies.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0467149/
But if you still want zombies they also made “Zombiez” as well.
it's brilliant
i laughed all the way through.
there is a classic Hubert Selby moment in it, too.
bring some beer, is my recommendation.
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 24, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
If she were really cool,
that would be on her nails, with the letters painted in white against black nail polish.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
let the braves have him then!!
call wren and try and get escobar or much lesser deal for lillibridge
A’s have about 40-50mill slated for someone else if not furcal…so this money will be spent somehow
Rafael Furcal Rumors: Monday
By Tim Dierkes [November 24 at 6:20pm CST]
6:20pm: Impacto Deportivo says the surprise team is the Braves, possibly offering four years and $52MM. It’d be wise to treat the report with caution until it is confirmed by another source.
Fuck.
I’d rather not use prospects for Yunel, although he’s eons better than Furcal right now.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
well maybe dodgers now sign cabrera
and block hu/dejesus
good news both of those teams have SS prospects that will be blocked….chance for beane there
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 24, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
The A's are contending NOW.
Going after a reclamation project isn’t time for now.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
If the Braves get Furcal
there’s a good chance it’s because they plan on dealing Escobar in a Peavy trade. They wouldn’t get Furcal to block Yunel.
Yeah.
Which is where the A’s should kindly step in.
Escobar gets dealt in a Peavy trade. The Padres NEED the prospects more than they need Escobar. So, the A’s become the 3rd team and flip prospects to Padres for Escobar.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
I dont think you get Escobar
alone without giving up Anderson/Cahill. For this reason, I am still hoping the A’s sign Furcal. Keep the system intact, and spend the surplus of money that they actually have for once. If the bidding goes beyond 4/52 then the A’s need to back out and start looking at other options IMO.
I'm fine trading any one prospect in a deal for Escobar
Anderson, Cahill, whoever (and, of course, some other lesser prospects).
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Ah ah ah.
From espn.com re Bonds case: “Judge Susan Illston dropped one count because it was duplicitous…”
No word whether he was injured in the fall —but watch your back around deceitful muppets.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
Everytime I see the count.....
I always think of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
grrr stupid AN3
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
If Furcal becomes an Oakland Athletic
Then it is our responsibility as good and righteous A’s fans to forever refer to him as “The Torpedo”.
If he does not become an A, we cease to acknowledge that he exists.
I find most things that happen when I click on ads scare the crap out of me
albeit it’s usually more of the “my computer is no longer good for anything other than mass-producing spam email” fear…
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I confess that I sometimes intentionally click
on T-shirt ads. I never actually buy any T-shirts, but it amuses me to view all the T-shirts in their catalog.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
This just in
According to the Dominican Star, two major league shortstops have flown to the Bay Area to set up a new law firm that will cater exclusively to the legal needs of other major league shortstops. The firm of Renteria and Furcal has already landed as a client Bobby Crosby, who plans to sue the Oakland A’s for lowering his value in the marketplace by playing him in major league games.
Follow up report: Agents for Renteria and Furcal say none of this is true, except the part about Bobby Crosby.
by SA on Nov 24, 2008 8:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
aw, nertz
I had been hoping when the offseason began that Beane would let Mark E. walk, replace Bobby C. with Gregorio P., and then sign this guy to play second base.
Best. Double-play combo. Ever.
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
Petit-Bourgeois
Perfect middle infield for the new ballpark.
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 25, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
That would have been a revolutionary idea
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Ned Lumpen and Sid Proletariat respectfully disagree.
by green star oakland on Nov 25, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
with Lackey covering first?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Nov 25, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
"of history??" Grasshopper, I remember watching him play.
So, too, does he-who-shall-not-respond, I’ll wager.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Nov 25, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I don't remember watching him play,
but I do remember the Trotsky quote.
Monkeyball is really stretching for that one. Especially since it’s usually translated as “dustbin” not “ashbin”.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
Ah ah.
Between that one and the dog pound embarrassment of a few days past, I’ve got to find a way to get back on MB’s wavelength.
Or do I?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Nov 25, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Do-over
Bow down before the infamous 4-1-6 combo of Jerry Lumpe, Mike Proly and Ryan Theriot
by green star oakland on Nov 25, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
there's a famous bit of cricket commentary
-wait wait, come back, this is good-
west indies playing England, Peter Willey is the batsman ("batter") and Michael Holding is the bowler.
Commentator -
“We welcome World Service listeners to the Oval, where the bowler’s Holding, the batsman’s Willey.”
see? comedy gold
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 25, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Bow down before the pitch with curve
You’d be getting what you deserve.
No power in the hole,
The stands never full,
Plan’s gone awry, Beane’s lost control.
- NIN
crosby dodgers?
they like jack wilson, but pirates asking for hu + 2 players
i’d offer crosby/cash for hu right now
maybe A’s depth players could also interest dodgers who have OF, bp needs too
The Pirates, who are discussing Wilson with several teams, wanted Dodgers shortstop Chin-Lung Hu and two other young players, sources say.The Pirates, who are discussing Wilson with several teams, wanted Dodgers shortstop Chin-Lung Hu and two other young players, sources say.
Furcal appears headed to the A’s, Giants or an unidentified third club. The Dodgers are balking at giving him a four-year deal, and so far have made only an inquiry on Renteria.
Crosby + $4.85M for Hu is an easy "YES" for me. If they want a relief prospect like Lansford to get
the deal done or Casilla, I’m OK with that too. A better prospect than that would cut into the $4.85M though.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 25, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
shoot, crosby plus we eat his whole salary to the Dodgers for nothing and I'd jump at that
while that is definitely overexaggerating on my part, if we got Hu for crosby, i’d be ecstatic. For some reason, I don’t think that we would though.
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 25, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
True. Bob's no Jack Wilson.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 26, 2008 6:20 AM PST up reply actions
sadly, its true
plus the Dodgers balked at Hu plus 2 prospects, and I’m not so sure it wasn’t so much the quantity as the fact that they needed to include Hu. I mean, they don’t really have any other shortstops right now, do they? I guess they could try to get Izturis back…
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 26, 2008 6:51 AM PST up reply actions
I remember when I thought it was reasonable to ask for Kershaw for Joe Blanton
Ah, happy days of childlike ignorance.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
yeah, Kershaw isn't HALF the slugger Blanton is.
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 26, 2008 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
ah, those ragin' cajuns are feisty fellows, aren't they?
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
So, I'm going to be on the road for about 6 hours this evening.
Anyone willing to provide a text messaging service if Furcal signs?
We need to have an AN phone tree.
Or text tree. Whatever.
If I don't comment on your comment how will you know you are completely wrong? -Rocktopus
Oh i see how it is
You’ll respond to the female but not the dude. I’m glad to see you have your priorities straight.
I'm not allowed to have my cell phone in the office, so I can't send a text message.
Although, can’t you just sign up for those free ESPN alerts or whatever the hell they are? They send text messages with news about the team you want.
Also, yes. My prorities are straight — Pam likes whiskey.
are your priorities also no chaser?
monkey also likes whiskey
I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain. @('.')@
I was serious about the priorities thing.
I would be disappointed if the females weren’t at the top of your list. It’s cool though, I was just giving you shit. I’ll look into the ESPN thing. I signed up for one at oaklandathletics.com and have yet to receive one stinkin’ text message. Thanks for the tip.
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