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Shortstop Roulette: 8 players, 8 teams

This off-season presents an interesting situation at the 6-hole, where several teams could potentially swap shortstops and more than 25% of the league is in need of an upgrade.

Here are eight players who might be available and could be considered starting shortstops:

Free Agents:  Rafael Furcal, Edgar Renteria, Orlando Cabrera, Cesar Izturis

Trade Candidates:  Bobby Crosby, Julio Lugo, Yunel Escobar, Khalil Greene

(Note:  Two notable omissions here are J.J. Hardy of the Brewers and Jack Wilson of the Pirates.  Wilson makes $7.5 million next year and is less attractive than these eight; Hardy I left off purely because I doubt he's realistically available at this point. Next year, after Alcides Escobar has spent some time in AAA, I could see him being traded. But not yet.) 

The next list is six teams in need of shortstop upgrades:

A's, Dodgers, Tigers, Orioles, Giants, Cardinals

(Some notes here:  The White Sox have said publicly that they are very likely to give their vacant shortstop job to Alexei Ramirez.  The Cubs made inquiries initially with Furcal, but Dempster's signing and Ryan Theriot's success make that extremely unlikely.)

I'll add the Braves and the Padres to this list, only on the possibility that the two teams eventually consummate a Jack Peavy trade and Yunel Escobar is inevitably involved.

8 teams, 8 players - where will they go, and why?

Furcal - A's.  We've written thousands of words about this already.

Renteria - Cardinals.  Seems destined for a return to the NL.  Cardinals want more offense than they've had at the position.

O. Cabrera - Dodgers.  They have money to spend, but seem interested in starting an SS to a shorter-term deal than Furcal, so as to not block their SS prospects.

Izturis - Orioles.  They're stressing defense and won't be an attractive option to any of the top 3 FA's.  No sense in playing major bucks for Cabrera or Renteria, anyway.

Lugo - traded to the Tigers, in a swap for Dontrelle Willis (who could then be re-routed to the Rangers or to the NL by the Red Sox in exchange for a catcher or prospect, perhaps).

Escobar - traded to the Padres in a Jake Peavy trade, as part of a huge package

Greene - traded to Atlanta along with Peavy, with Atlanta absorbing all salary and giving up 4-5 prospects.  Greene played his college ball in the South (Clemson) and might experience a mini-renaissance in a better hitter's park. 

Crosby - traded to the Giants(?) This one's admittedly wishcasting.  But I see some semblance of a fit: he's a life-long Californian, he might hit a lot of doubles in that park, and the Giants won't want to enter the year with Burriss as their primary option.  Crosby wouldn't be their first or even second choice, but this is assuming they missed out on two of their favorite options (Furcal, Renteria).

I could also see Renteria to the Giants, Crosby to the Orioles, and Izturis re-upping with the Cards. 

*I think part of why the A's are trying to strike quickly with Furcal is to eliminate the Dodgers from the bidding.  If the Dodgers are still waiting for the C.C. Sabathia and Manny dominoes to fall, they're probably reluctant to commit major money elsewhere, in hopes that they might still land one of those pieces.

But where do YOU see these eight guys landing?

 

 

 

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I'll put him in my garage

My house is almost exactly equidistant between the Coliseum and AT&T Park.

I’ll let him out to mow my lawn.

by kenarneson on Nov 22, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And walk Chavy's dog

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 23, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He can be the founding player

of the Yerba Buena Treasure A’s. Or something.

by whiteshoes40 on Nov 21, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

like a one on one baseball team?!

that would be awesome. Actually its a horrible game to play, especially cause your little sister always wind. but anyway, if one on one baseball existed Crosby would still be AA with my sister, and Sabathia would be the yankees.

by ErikFanClubPres on Nov 21, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what is the record for errors in a game? BoCro would shatter it.

'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long

by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"

by Poppy on Nov 22, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

treasure island?

BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.

by alea iacta est on Nov 22, 2008 12:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which reminds me

If/when the Athletics baseball club moves to Fremont, will the name change to the

“Fremont Pathfinders”…

???

Every time I’m heading to Sacramento on I-80 and I pass “Lagoon Valley” and “Lagoon Valley Road” near Fairfield, I think of John C. Fremont and his capture of the popular governor of California, Vallejo. They were taking Vallejo to Sutter’s Fort at the confluence of the American and Sacramento Rivers. Some of Vallejo’s men caught up with the capture party at night at their encampment in Lagoon Valley. “Shall we kill all these Americanos??” they asked Vallejo. The security at the camp was so haphazard, Vallejo’s men were able to slip in and talk with him in his tent.

“No, no bloodshed. I think I’ll be okay.” The men left, leaving Vallejo with the Americans. Vallejo knew everyone around this area of California, so after setting up in Sutter’s Fort, it took no time at all before Fremont became repeatedly incensed at the casual and convivial treatment by his “guards” toward his important “prisoner”. “Who’s guarding the prisoner??!!!” Fremont would explode, as he spied Vallejo wandering in and around Fort Sutter, or sitting at a table holding court with the “guards”.

Too bad the Californios didn’t off that dismal pompous blowhard when they had the chance.

Officially awaiting the 2009 season.

by One won lost won on Nov 23, 2008 8:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even before the war,

Vallejo favored union with the United States. At the time, his vision of a Californio-dominated state within the American union made perfect sense.

Then the Gold Rush changed everything.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Nov 24, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Renteria and the Giants have "exchanged contract proposals"

According to MLB.com

I could see Furcal to Oakland, Renteria to SF, Crosby dealt to Baltimore

by mikev on Nov 21, 2008 9:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

eww

as an Orioles fan, I say blecch

by milkman41 on Nov 25, 2008 10:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no doubt that we are getting Furcal iF SF is that

deep into talks with Renteria. Get Furcal.. sign Giambi.. stick Barton in AAA and off we go.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Nov 21, 2008 9:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

mine are missing

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Erik's wearing Nico's pants!

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by grover on Nov 22, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And he's one size larger than me!

It all makes sense.

By the way, Erik, I think I’m wearing your panties. Purple and frilly, right?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nico's wearing monkeyball's panties!

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by grover on Nov 22, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

somewhere, PaulThomas has a snarky remark for you

'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long

by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well I did hear they were comfortable...

'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long

by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PT and monkeyball are comfortable?

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by grover on Nov 22, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope NO ONE has pictures of this

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 22, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no, I think he made a bet

that he would eat them.

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Nov 22, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Proves access to his unmentionables

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by grover on Nov 23, 2008 6:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop mentioning them!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 23, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I still haven't seen any good reasons to sign Giambi. I wish somebody would make some

There are so many (well, more than 0, which is enough) better ways to spend the money.

Why don’t people realize how not-that-valuable Giambi is at this point, especially considering his cost and likely inability to stay healthy and effective as a 1B?

by thejd44 on Nov 22, 2008 1:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"There are so many (well, more than 0, which is enough) better ways to spend the money."

Such as?

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Nov 22, 2008 2:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

plenty of people here have made a good case for Randy Johnson

I see that as a much smarter target than Giambi.
Brad Penny is another possiblity

Save Rajai Davis

by oakinboston on Nov 22, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 22, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

depends on the VORH

I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 23, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

He’s going to cost a lot as it doesn’t seem there’s a large market for his services.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Nov 22, 2008 2:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

because Giambi can still hit, and Barton can't?

Who else can we acquire to play 1st Base?

Adam Dunn? His EQA last year was the same as Giambi’s, but will cost a lot more.
The Cubs are shopping Derek Lee, he has good D but he’s lost all his power.
Kevin Millar? NO.
Dallas McPherson? Maybe, but he can’t hit in the MLB it seems, and the Marlins are probably going to retain him and use him at 1B/3B next year.
Mark Teixiera? Cost too much.
Prince Fielder? A ton in prospects.

Whereas Giambi just costs money, won’t be expensive and is probably the best deal we can find on the FA Market at First Base. If we can keep the years down (1 or 2 years), we could use him till either Carter or Doolittle are ready.

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by Zonis on Nov 22, 2008 5:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pat Burrell was apparently first drafted as a first baseman

He’s fairly sure-handed, just unbelievably slow— so I think he’d be a better fielder than klutzes like Dunn and Giambi.

He could be a 2.5 win upgrade over Barton; I can’t see Giambi as more than 1 win because he’s so bad defensively.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Barton probably can (at least better than last year)

Turning 38 + playing in Oakland = good bye Giambi HR power (and most of his value)

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 22, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or, consider this

Giambi is good for, what, 100 games as an everyday first baseman? I think I’m being very, very generous here. I’d expect more like 75 before his body breaks down. He can’t play the position defensively. He’s like Cust in left, but worse. Probably significantly worse. First baseman generally get penalized defensively anyway, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Giambi is close to a win to a win and a half worse than Barton defensively. Since I expect Barton to bounce back and Giambi to not actually be very good in Oakland when he’s healthy, I don’t think he’s more than 1 to 1.5 wins better than Barton offensively. Even if he is slightly better, he won’t be worth a few million at the expense of Barton’s development AND the ability to sign somebody like Randy Johnson (who has similar injury risks, but is likely to provide a lot more value for his cost).

by thejd44 on Nov 22, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Except it's not necessarily at the expense of Barton's development

Barton was in the big leagues at 22 and a full season at AAA might not be the worst thing for him. Also, I’m not sure where the notion comes from that Giambi can’t hit in Oakland – I seem to recall his swing working just fine in Oakland over the years.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where the notion comes from:

I think it’s widely assumed that certain enhancements available to him then will not be available to him now.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Nov 23, 2008 12:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but he has bounced back

and his “second career” has been very very good – including hitting well at the Coliseum.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 23, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me give it a shot, thejd44

1. Giambi may be available for “pennies on the dollar” compared to his relative value – maybe cheap enough so as not to prevent other moves one way or the other. Basically, deal Crosby as a salary dump and add Giambi and you may be in about the same financial position you were in before.

2. Let’s say Barton is predicted (by A’s brass) to hit .260/.340/.380 in 2009 and that Giambi is predicted to hit .250/.370/.480. That’s a significant difference (130 points of OPS).

3. Returning Barton to AAA also gives you one more year of his services down the line, so if he reaches his potential there’s a payoff in 2014 by getting one of Giambi’s last productive offensive seasons at a time when the team needs more power (even with Holliday).

4. If there’s a ground ball right to the 1Bman, Ellis will get it. We’re talking about a unicorn here.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

130 points of OPS is about right, I think,

but applying our rule of thumb, that’s about 26 runs better on offense. Barton gets back 15 of those on defense… suddenly, not much of an upgrade. Unless, as you say, the A’s can score him for peanuts.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm assuming, I guess, that if the A's are talking to Giambi

it’s understood that the offer won’t be that high. Why would Jason accept? He gets an offer at all, he plays where he was happy and with a team that figures to be pretty good, instead of just “wherever he might get an offer later.” Meanwhile, the A’s get a bargain to upgrade their offense.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Giambi's glove is not a bargain

I’m trying to decide if I’d rather have Cust in the OF or Giambi at 1B.

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by grover on Nov 22, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with Cust in the OF

is that you have to play Barton over Buck or Cunningham. And your OF defense is pretty sucky with Cust-Sweeney-Holliday so Barton had better hit, hit, hit.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At third.

Sorry, just had to throw that in there.

by OldhamA on Nov 22, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your temporary insanity schtick is running thin

First you start pretending to be your “wife” and now you think you have followers.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Nov 23, 2008 7:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm one of monkeyball's followers!

I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 23, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And so am I!

I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 23, 2008 8:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Me neither!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 23, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cust in OF is better defensively than Giambi at 1B

but it puts Cunningbuck on the bench, who are pretty fair shots to outperform Barton with the stick next year.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 22, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Cust might be twice as good in left as Giambi is at first

Giambi at first is like Griffey in center. It’s just not something that should be allowed to happen.

by thejd44 on Nov 22, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Barton might be more than 15 runs better than Giambi defensively

Giambi just simply cannot play the position, and, if he does, he’s likely not going to be healthy enough to put up decent offensive numbers.

I think Giambi is only worth it if he takes a deal like Mike Sweeney took last year.

by thejd44 on Nov 22, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, OK-- he MIGHT be 50 runs better with the bat too...

As long as we’re looking at probabilities and not edge cases, however, the odds are that Giambi will be about 15 runs worse than Barton defensively.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, you totally overlooked a very valid point

Jason Giambi is so bad defensively, he may as well stand facing the outfield wall. 15 runs might be the difference, but I can very easily see Giambi being the worst first baseman in baseball and Daric Barton being one of the 2 or 3 best.

by thejd44 on Nov 23, 2008 2:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How did I "totally overlook a valid point"?

Smith’s defensive projections have them at… 15 runs apart.

The odds of them being LESS than that far apart are just as high as the odds of them being MORE than that far apart. Unless you can somehow come up with a way in which the ratings underrate Barton and overrate Giambi. Given the respective parks they play in (specifically the huge foul territory at the Coliseum near first base), it’s more likely to be the other way around.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

130 points of OPS... a large difference to be sure

But is it really a “significant” difference?

Sorry, flashback to an old discussion.

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by grover on Nov 22, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just to be mean

Let’s send Furcal to SF!

Renteria to Oakland. (sigh)

Cards grab Cabrera.

Orioles sign Izturis. They need someone beyond 2009.

We’ll stick with the Lugo/Willis swap for Detroit.

Escobar to SD? Seems that hand has been played. Escobar’s staying in Atlanta.

Dodgers panic and trade for Greene.

Texas trades for Crosby and plays him at 3B.

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by grover on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Signing Renteria would be worse than just keeping Crosby

He’s about the same talent level, but we’d lose our second-round pick.

"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox

by Gallagher's Watermelons on Nov 21, 2008 10:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 22, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Second round picks have like a 5% chance of being a useful player.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

6-9% chance, to be specific

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by grover on Nov 22, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

the argument against Renteria over Crosby is that it would cost more money and Renteria would require a multi-year deal more than the giving up of a 2nd round draft pick.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 22, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Renteria will lose us a draft pick

since the Tigers are not going to offer him Arbitration-because he WILL accept.

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by Zonis on Nov 22, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why the hell would he accept arbitration?

He’d probably make a third to half what he could get on the open market, and it wouldn’t even be a guaranteed contract.

Not a bloody chance.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So take that chance, plus the fact that it isn't a real upgrade, plus Renteria's salary

And I agree that signing him would be worse than keeping Crosby

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 22, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm okay with keeping Crosby

I don’t have to like it, and I don’t, but considering this is his last year, and he was basically healthy this year for the first time in a long time, and it’s a contract year, there may be some upside to just playing out the string with his contract.
What I hate to see is him hitting anywhere but 9th in the lineup. And I would also like to see either Pennington or Petit start getting some time there. Preferably Petit.

I just don’t like the idea of putting out big bucks for Furcal, or any of the other choices. Now JJ Hardy, I’m interested.

I also wouldn’t have a problem with trading BoCro in the Summer to a contender that needs a SS. There is always one.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Nov 21, 2008 11:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I know it could happen

but I don’t think the Braves would be likely to trade Yunel Escobar unless they signed Furcal, which they’ve talked about. Wasn’t one of the things Peavy was concerned about was the fact that they would be significantly downgrading at the SS position if they added Escobar in a deal without signing somebody like Furcal? I don’t know if that was blown out of proportion or not, but it makes sense: Why would he want to go to a team that just gutted itself to get him?

by NateHST on Nov 22, 2008 1:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

what if

the a’s sign furcal, and then get involved in that trade?

they’ll be able to flip him rather than giving up too many young prospects?

BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.

by alea iacta est on Nov 22, 2008 8:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't trade a free agent for six months after signing him

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by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...without their permission.

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by grover on Nov 22, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or at least asking Bud Selig nicely

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by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good points

one and all

BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.

by alea iacta est on Nov 23, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crosby...

Trade him to SF and give the Gnats a home state discount.

by Playball on Nov 22, 2008 6:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If Furcal signs elsewhere;

what is the next move?

I’d rather sign Cabrera to a 2yr deal, then Beane could hand over the position to someone in house like Pennington, Petit, or Cardenas…

"What do we do with Crosby? Well, in my neighborhood, trash goes out on Mondays." ~ Nico

by MMunoz33 on Nov 22, 2008 8:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cabrera

I would rather use Crosby or Pennington. Cabrera isn’t much of an upgrade but will cost us a lot more money.

by DeJay on Nov 22, 2008 8:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Royals were/are also supposed to be interested in Furcal

Just another option in the trade-Crosby-hat.

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by grover on Nov 22, 2008 9:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

My fearless predictions:

Furcal to Oakland (causing Nico to do happy dance)

Crosby to Baltimore for some A prospect we’ve never heard of but who is kind of intriguing when we learn more about him
 
Renteria to San Francisco, where he hits pretty well and has no range

Cabrera to LA Dodgers on a 3-4 year deal, only to be traded again before 2011

Greene traded to the Tigers

Lugo traded to the Cardinals

Izturis signs with the Padres

Yunel stays with Atlanta

Or not.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 9:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like the cut of your jib

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2008 9:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a sailor said that to me once

and i totally misinterpreted what he meant

Save Rajai Davis

by oakinboston on Nov 22, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Signing Giambi:

1. Also allows the team to trade Holliday if a great opportunity presents itself and still have a better offense than it did in ’08. (Cust goes to LF, Giambi to DH).

2. Ensures that there’s always a legitimate middle of the order in the lineup every day. There’s no way Giambi/Cust/Chavez each play anywhere near 162 games; by having Giambi, it helps to ensure that, even with off days, there’s always a few good hitters in the lineup.

(Note that neither of those two scenarios require Giambi to play 1b).

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 22, 2008 10:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

then what happens in 09/10?

giambi will only be signed short term…holliday will be gone…back to where they started hoping the prospects to develop

especially if you sign furcal, who drives him in in yrs 2-4?

if the $$ is equal, signing furcal or someone like burrell…i take burrell

unless they’d go back into the FA market

after 09 season FA’s

Jason Bay Pittsburgh Pirates LF 25-man 3.08 Joe Urbon 30
Jermaine Dye Chicago White Sox RF 25-man 10.084 Bob Bry 34 M
Jay Gibbons Baltimore Orioles RF 40-man 6 Sam and Seth Levinson 31
Geoff Jenkins Philadelphia Phillies RF 40-man 8.109 Damon Lapa (previously Don Lozano) 34 M
Austin Kearns Washington Nationals RF 25-man 4.145 SFX 28 T
Xavier Nady Pittsburgh Pirates RF 25-man 3.059 Scott Boras 30
Magglio Ordonez Detroit Tigers RF 25-man 9.032 Scott Boras 34 T
Gary Sheffield Detroit Tigers RF 25-man 18.031 Himself (contract), Rufus Williams (PR) and Mead Chasky (marketing) and Scott Boras (former agent) 40

Gonzalez Cincinnati Reds SS 25-man 8.034 Eric Goldschmidt 31 M
Khalil Greene San Diego Padres SS 25-man 3.027 Mike Milchin 29
John McDonald Toronto Blue Jays SS 25-man 5.118 SFX 34
Ramon Santiago Detroit Tigers SS 25-man 3.05 Bill Rego 29
Miguel Tejada Houston Astros SS 25-man 9.033 Fernando Cuza, Pat Rooney, Diego Bentz 32
Jack Wilson Pittsburgh Pirates SS 25-man 5.147 Page Odle 30 T

2010:

Lance Berkman Houston Astros 1B 25-man 7.052 Michael Moye, Bobby Barad 32 T
Paul Konerko Chicago White Sox 1B 25-man 8.141 Craig Landis 32
Derrek Lee Chicago Cubs 1B 25-man 8.125 Casey Close 33
Carlos Pena Tampa Bay Rays 1B 25-man 3.098 Mike Fischlin (Scott Boras) 30
Albert Pujols St. Louis Cardinals 1B 25-man 6 Dan Lozano 28 T
Chris Shelton Texas Rangers 1B NRI 2.125 Lon Babby 28
Kevin Youkilis Boston Red Sox 1B 25-man 2.093 Joe Bick 29

J.J. Hardy Milwaukee Brewers SS 25-man 2 Mike Seal 26
Maicer Izturis Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim SS 25-man 2.038 28
Derek Jeter New York Yankees ss 25-man 11.043 Casey Close 34
Julio Lugo Boston Red Sox SS 25-man 6.152 Sam and Seth Levinson (fired Jeff Borris, Dan Lozano, etc. of BHSC in November 2006) 33 T
Jhonny Peralta Cleveland Indians SS 25-man 2.118 Bill Rego 26 T
Jose Reyes New York Mets SS 25-man 3.111 Peter Greenberg 25 T
Jimmy Rollins Philadelphia Phillies SS 25-man 6.015 Dan Lozano 29 T

Alex Rios Toronto Blue Jays RF 25-man 2.13 Paul Kinzer 27

Garrett Atkins Colorado Rockies 3B 25-man 2.072 Jeff Blank 28
Mike Lowell Boston Red Sox 3B 40-man 8.02 Sam and Seth Levinson 34
Aramis Ramirez Chicago Cubs 3B 25-man 7.111 Paul Kinzer 30 P
Scott Rolen Toronto Blue Jays 3B 25-man 10.06 Sam and Seth Levinson 33

http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency10.php?order=position

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 22, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus, couldn't you have just linked that?

I’d not necessarily be averse to signing Burrell if the A’s whiff on Furcal, but he’s clearly a worse option than signing Furcal if there’s a choice between the two. He maxes out at a 2.5 win upgrade, whereas Furcal could be 3 or even 4 if he hits more like he did last year. Burrell is likely to cost more. And he blocks prospects, whereas Furcal only blocks probable utility players.

The bottom line is that the A’s are going to have to have prospects develop to have a good team. There really isn’t any other alternative. The team can probably afford one “big bat” outside of Furcal, but sooner or later the farm will have to produce a slugger or two.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No expletive here,

but Paul is right. That’s the sort of info that it’s better to link. When a cut-and-paste is that large it’s unfair to the source website. It also potentially causes a copyright hassle for Blez and AN. Out of respect for both websites, next time use a shorter excerpt or just the link.

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by iglew on Nov 22, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Paul was yelling "Jesus" because he was mad that Jesus Guzman

hit for the cycle yesterday.

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by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point about Jesus Guzman. If he does sign with the Giants or A's he would be available for the rule 5 draft.

That is unless he signs a major league contract and is put on the 25 man roster.
I can see the Giants signing him and then the A’s drafting him and then are able to keep him for the year or more if he makes it to the majors.

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by Eastbayjim on Nov 22, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thhat doesnt make sense

they couldve avoided it by just clearing a roster spot on 40 man with one of the many pitchers or infield types

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 22, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I read that on the Rotoworld link about Jesus Guzman this morning.

“Even if the Giants do sign him to a minor league contract, it’s quite possible that they’ll lose him in the Rule 5 draft next month.”

I would have thought that they could sign him and place him on the 40 and remove someone else but that may be a little much. So unless they sign him to the 25 man it sounds like he would be available for the rule 5 draft.

I would like to hear more from Taj, grover or PT on this as they have way more information that I would on the rule 5 draft

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by Eastbayjim on Nov 22, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea what the rule is for minor league free agents

who sign major league contracts after the reserve list filing date (Nov. 20) but before the Rule 5 draft.

I’m literally not aware of it ever having come up before. I’m sure it must have, but…

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by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It has happened before

Chris Gomez signed a minor league contract with the Orioles in 2004 just before the Rule 5 draft, and the Phillies selected him away a few days later.

If you’re on the 40-man roster, you’re protected from Rule 5. The 25-man roster is irrelevant in the Rule 5.

by kenarneson on Nov 23, 2008 12:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Irrelevant

to being available to the Rule 5 draft in the first place, I assume you mean. Once a guy is picked, then he has to stay on the new team’s 25-man or he goes back, right?

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by iglew on Nov 23, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But a team could still sign Guzman to a MAJOR league contract...

and protect him from the Rule 5 Draft.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 23, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe. I'm not sure, though.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Travis Buck is the good, healthy Buck, he should be leading off even if Furcal is signed

Furcal would be much, MUCH more valuable in the 6 hole (assuming something like a Buck, Holliday, Chavez, Cust, Ellis (or even Swooney, if he can ever hit for any damn power). I know lineup construction isn’t too big of a deal, but there’s some really strong evidence that meh (for a leadoff hitter) OBP guys who steal a lot of bases actually hurt the team at the top of the order.

by thejd44 on Nov 23, 2008 2:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Furcal bat second if Buck is good

Something like (with current roster):

Buck -RF
Furcal – SS
Cust – DH
Holliday LF
Chavez – 3B
Sweeney – CF
Suzuki – C
Barton – 1B
Ellis – 2B

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by Nico on Nov 23, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With this A's lineup, I hesitate for not even a second in saying Holliday should be occupying the #2 slot

“Good Buck” definitely should be #1; Cust should be #4; “Good Chavez” should be #5 if he exists; from there, there’s a lot of guys who look like average hitters (Furcal, Suzuki, Barton, Sweeney, Ellis) that you can pretty much put wherever you feel like. Furcal probably should go in front of the singles-hitter part of the lineup so that he can steal into scoring position.

I really can’t emphasize enough how much of a fallacy it is to put a top hitter in the #3 spot. Among lineup mistakes that are actually made (i.e. not batting the pitcher leadoff, or something) it’s probably the most frequently committed one.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Cust batting in front of Holliday

than vice-versa. Cust’s walks need to be followed by RBI threats, power hitters and the like. I’d bat Cust 2nd before I’d bat him 4th. He is actually more of a table setter – and a very good one – than he is a run producer. (He’s also a good hitter to have up with base stealers on because he naturally sees and takes a lot of pitches.)

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by Nico on Nov 23, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed with the first part

but I’d say he’s the worst guy to have up with base stealers on. His value comes from BBs and HRs, and so it’s largely pointless to have someone steal in front of him. You want base stealers in front of singles hitters.

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by mikeA on Nov 23, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

and the whole “taking pitches” thing is really a non-issue in my eyes.

Speaking on a personal basis, if I managed a baseball team, I would tell hitters in most instances to ignore what the basestealer is doing completely and focus solely on hitting the ball. Sure, it would lead to a few more lineout DPs, but it would also lead to more first-to-third or even first-to-home singles.

The only time a hitter should be waiting around for the runner to steal second is with 2 outs, when going first-to-third or advancing a runner on a groundout is basically meaningless. To me, almost every “steal situation” should actually be a “run-and-hit situation” until there are two outs.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Point well taken on the base stealing, mikeA

If one believes Furcal and Sweeney won’t provide great OBP (but are a good tandem in terms of “base stealing and singles,” you could go way outside the box with something like:

Cust – DH
Holliday – LF
Chavez – 3B
Suzuki – C
Buck – RF
Furcal – SS
Sweeney – CF
Ellis – 2B
Barton – 1B

Flip Buck up to the leadoff spot and it looks more traditional.

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by Nico on Nov 23, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Swap Cust and Buck

Simply because I want a lead-off guy who can score from 1st on a double.

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by grover on Nov 23, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd swap Buck and Chavez on the general principle of "OBP before SLG"

but otherwise, this is a solid lineup.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a good base stealer in front of him,

would help ensure that he saw more fastballs and less curveballs, which are much easier to steal against. Mike Fast’s article, “Jack Cust eats fastballs for lunch” last year showed how dominant Cust is when he gets a fastball.

I’d be tempted to go Furcal/Cust/Holliday, or Buck/Furcal/Cust/Holliday, at the top.

If teams had to throw Cust a significantly higher percentage of fastballs, AND were loathe to walk him, he might hit 40 bombs next year.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 23, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just want as many Holliday ABs as possible

If you’re really feeling radical, I suppose you could have Cust lead off…

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have been convinced that your BEST hitter shouldn't be #3

But if neither holliday, nor cust, nor buck, nor chavez, nor furcal hits #3, you’ve got a very bad hitter there.

  1. is still a better spot for a good hitter than anything below #4 (if I understand things correctly)

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by nevermoor on Nov 23, 2008 10:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hellooooo, clockwerks

Uh, anyway, Suzuki and Ellis have higher career OPS+ than Furcal does. Actually, if I remember correctly, so does Barton! A lot of Furcal’s offensive value comes from baserunning (and a lot more of it comes from being a shortstop, of course).

I don’t see any significant difference at this point between Barton, Ellis, Furcal, Sweeney and Suzuki as hitters. They’re all league-average-ish. Furcal can add some runs with his feet but it’s been pointed out that that plays better in the bottom half of the order.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2008 10:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but who do you have hitting #3?

I can’t imagine Suzuki, Ellis, Sweeney, or Barton is the optimal person.

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by nevermoor on Nov 24, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming Barton is in the lineup,

i.e. not sucking, he’s a solid pick for #3 because of his high OBP.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 24, 2008 7:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what's keeping Cust from playing 150+ games?

Giambi and Chavez, I agree.

I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 23, 2008 7:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I had to predict

one of these two scenarios

Furcal- Braves
Renteria-Cardinals
Cabrera- Giants. He’s older than Renteria and will get a longer term deal.
Lugo- Traded to the Tigers for Dontrelle Willis. Willis becomes Big Papi’s HR Derby pitcher.
Izturis- Dodgers.
Crosby- Padres. In the Escobar deal, along with a combination of top prospects, the A’s eat most/all of Crosby’s salary and send him to SD.
Escobar- Padres initially, but flipped to the A’s for a sweet package (that frankly, BB gets around dealing Anderson/Cahill)
Greene- Orioles, for nothing significant in value.

Scenario 2:
Furcal- A’s
Renteria- Cardinals
Cabrera- Giants
Lugo- Tigers for Willis
Izturis- Orioles
Crosby- Dodgers for a prospect who has fallen out of favor with salary eaten.
Greene-Braves/Padres depending on Peavy trade.
Escobar- Braves/Padres depending on Peavy trade

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 22, 2008 1:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure why people think that if we eat salary we can get another Kotsay deal.

There is one key difference between the two players…kotsay was actually GOOD before he was traded, its just that he couldn’t stay healthy. However, if healthy, he would be a boon to any team, and therein lies the high risk/high reward for any team, and once his salary was eaten, it became medium risk/high reward for the Braves. However, BoCro not only doesn’t have the best health history, but he also sucks. Even if we eat all of his salary, he’s not really going to help any teams. Why are they going to want to give up ANYthing? I mean, certainly not a Joey Devine type. Maybe we could trade him for someone that isn’t really a prospect or for some low A obscure player with ok stats, but I’m not sure we’d get anything of value for him, unless the GM is working undercover for the A’s. Anyway, I’m not so sure that the Kotsay is the best comparison. Crosby is more like Loaiza than Kotsay.

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by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's the hope that a change of scenery could impact Crosby

combined with the number of teams needing SSs and the lack of quality out there.

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by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i think crosby should be included in the "lack" part of 'lack of quality;

i don’t think teams would be worse off if they played their AAA SS at this point.

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by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2008 5:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes but

typically the “change of scenery” theory (correct me if im wrong) applies to people who have shown flashes of… competence in the not to distant past. i get the feeling that ship has sailed for bocro.

supply and demand for ss, i agree with you. and, actually, in that regard i feel like it would be refreshing for somebody unbiased to tell me just how crosby stacks up in the SS market.

Save Rajai Davis

by oakinboston on Nov 22, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to hear an argument that he's better than Izturis.

I think I could make a defensive argument that he’s better than Renteria.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 22, 2008 11:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Though he sucks as a hitter, Crosby is still

a fair bit better than Itzuris, if only for the 39 doubles that give him a less putrid slugging percentage (Izturis .331, Crosby .380) – and Crosby actually has the higher career OBP (.299 to .306). And Crosby had nearly twice as many HRs his rookie year as Izturis has in his entire career (12). Just a “fun fact” there.

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by Nico on Nov 23, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He is much more than likely one of the thirty best shortstops in the world ...

He is probably not one of the top twenty …

I don’t know that I’m unbiased, but I think that is accurate …

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by devo on Nov 23, 2008 1:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly

As much as people dislike him, he’s still one of the top 30 shortstops in the world, factoring in offense and defense. He probably represents an upgrade for 3-4 teams.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 23, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He'd be an upgrade for SF.

Matter of fact, that’s not a horrible idea to explore for a trade. It doesn’t even matter that SF’s system isn’t that good.

by mikev on Nov 23, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would suggest trading him for Travis Denker

but unfortunately Denker was already donated to the Kevin Towers fund by Sabean.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's one of my favorite "WTF" moves of recent memory

That would’ve been like the A’s DFAing Travis Buck and trying to sneak him through waivers or something.

Maybe Sabean doesn’t know how all these things work.

by thejd44 on Nov 23, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That, and one more thing.

He’d also be a low-risk stopgap for someone who’s rebuilding.

Look at Detroit, or Baltimore. They’re not in a position right now to give up good prospects to attain a shortstop and it generally isn’t the smartest idea to splurge on FAs when you’re in rebuilding mode (this mainly applies to Baltimore, Detroit doesn’t have the payroll to add FAs although they probably aren’t rebuilding).

They’re not giving good prospects up to get Crosby, and they’re not going to have to pay a lot in terms of money.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 23, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Many teams need shortstops.

and not many shortstops available.

I’m not saying the A’s will be able to net a Joey Devine type. I’m talking a middling prospect type, fringey guy.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 22, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

guzman still raking

Venezuelan Winter League
Jesus Guzman hit for the cycle and drove in five runs Friday to lead the first-place Leones del Caracas to a 7-2 Venezuelan Winter League victory over the Navegantes del Magallanes.

Guzman hit a two-run homer, his sixth of the fall, in the first inning and stroked an RBI single during a three-run third. He doubled in the sixth and smacked a two-run triple in the seventh to become the first member of the Leones to hit for the cycle since Cesar Tovar on Jan. 25, 1965.

The 24-year-old Athletics infield prospect has hit safely in eight of his last 10 games to raise his Winter League average to .407. He leads the league with 40 RBIs and with 46 hits is one behind former Major Leaguer Edgardo Alfonzo for the top spot.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081121&content_id=3688650&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 22, 2008 3:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

the last sentence shows you how valuable these stats are

He’s playing against a bunch of Little Leaguers. Edgardo Alfonzo is dominating this league.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 22, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

minor details.

'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long

by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I batted over .800 ...

in my softball league … Am I a prospect?

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by devo on Nov 22, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you play SS?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Nov 22, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's the position I played ...

Quite possibly the best defensive SS in the league, too …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 22, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's true - every time a ball went through his legs it was,

“The 3Bman wasn’t shaded over enough,” and “Well other guys are missing balls too!” Very defensive.

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by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,

telling the other guys that their balls are missing is offensive.

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by iglew on Nov 23, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you're talking to John Kruk

Then it’s half-offensive and half-true.

by thejd44 on Nov 23, 2008 2:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard the defense was pretty bad

Most notably the inebriated 3Bman who keeps tripping over beer cans, and the one-armed lady who keeps saying “I lost it in one of my tattoos!”

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by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The White Sox have been rumored to be shopping Jermaine Dye

How about bringing Dye back for his last year of his contract? Stick Dye at First Base where he’s supposed to be now.

facepalm.jpg

by Zonis on Nov 22, 2008 4:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Drool.

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by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not in the last year of his contract

he has an option year for 2010.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 22, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

{wipes side of mouth}

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by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what he would cost...

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by brenarlo on Nov 22, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to say "too much," but then I remembered the Swisher deal

so I think the correct answer is “only Kenny Williams could possibly know.”

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by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Crosby!!!!

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 23, 2008 10:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Crosby, the Cardinals really seem

like a good fit. They have a lot of offense/power with Pujols and Glaus, they need a SS, and Crosby’s best chance to shine, IMO, is in the National League – and any change of scenery is bound to do him good. Meanwhile, St. Louis has multiple 3B prospects in Freese, Craig, and whomever else I may be forgetting.

Why not swap Crosby for a 3B prospect and depending on who has the perceived advantage and by how much (depends on the prospect), the deal can be evened out by negotiating who pays Crosby’s salary and/or the addition of another decent but expendable player, e.g., Casilla.

Seems like there has to be a win-win trade in there somewhere.

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by Nico on Nov 22, 2008 5:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is an idea

But it’s probably no better than Plan C on the Cards’ part.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Nov 23, 2008 6:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree

but closer to plan A than it is to Plan D if that makes any sense.

by njnick on Nov 23, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crosby for Tejada and Wigginton

We pay Tejada’s salary

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Nov 22, 2008 10:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

With a trade like that you'd have to pay the whole Astros team salary.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 22, 2008 11:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, fine - throw in exclusive negotiating rights to Emil Brown.

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by Nico on Nov 23, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and Theo Ratliff's expiring contract

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 23, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What SS's are out there for the Rule 5 Draft?

I mean besides our own Justin Sellers.

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by Zonis on Nov 24, 2008 12:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Check out this link.

It’s from a Houston Astros writer. Still some intriguing options though.

http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogastros/archives/2008/11/taking_a_gander.html

by AEP2007 on Nov 25, 2008 7:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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