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NEW YORK (AP)—Lew Wolff has a way to shorten baseball’s postseason: Make the first round best-of-one.

“I’d make it one-game-and-you’re-out for the first series,” the Oakland Athletics owner said Wednesday. “It would be exciting. It would be great.”

Begun in 1995, the division series has been a best-of-five competition. Some people have advocated it be expanded to best-of-seven, matching the league championship series and the World Series. Baseball commissioner Bud Selig has repeatedly said he favors the current format.

Wolff said he hasn’t brought up his concept with Selig.

“No, I’m afraid to do that,” he said.

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This is one I haven't heard. I've heard plenty of advocates who wish to expand the LDS to seven games to match the LCS, but this is the first time I've heard someone suggest a single "Win or Go Home" game for the first round. Maybe as an A's fan, Wolff thinks that having a five-game series just prolongs the agony of the eventual Game 5, and we should get it out of the way before fans become invested in the series. Or maybe Wolff was just kidding.

Nevertheless, as the potential 2009 World Series Game Seven on November 5th looms closer, no doubt baseball is rooting for some West Coast teams this season, if for no other reason, than to postpone a decision. Because something might need to be done about the playoff schedule.

But what? Are the playoffs fine the way they are? Are they too long? Too short to really pick "the best" team? Should the season be shortened to accomodate the playoffs? Do the playoffs allow for too many days off?

Discuss.

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Best playoff scenario:
One game playoff
353 votes
Keep playoffs the same
298 votes
Change first round to seven games
244 votes
Other (list below)
104 votes

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I kinda like the playoffs the way they are...

and, there is no way MLB shortens the first round to one game. Ummm… Lew, doesn’t that mean loss of TV revenue?

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by FoolshGame22 on Nov 20, 2008 12:13 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted seven games

I also would like no off days during a series. Seven straight days of high pressure play. Make the fifth starter matter.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 12:16 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those of us who had been up all night

were in no mood for coffee and donuts.

We wanted strong drink.

by RIPHalsey on Nov 20, 2008 12:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just finished that for the first time.

Great read.

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by Scottbass on Nov 20, 2008 12:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had to edit it

to the film version.

So monumental.

What a genius at common linguistics.

by RIPHalsey on Nov 20, 2008 11:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Nov 20, 2008 12:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

change the season to an even 160 games

where did the extra 2 come from?

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Nov 20, 2008 12:33 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably a convenient number for scheduling ...

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by devo on Nov 20, 2008 12:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Twice as cool as the NBA?

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 9:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1 LOL!

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Nov 20, 2008 12:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shoot. You're right.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then why do we have 4 game series?

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Nov 20, 2008 10:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

It goes back to the pre-divisional days. Originally there were 8 teams in each league, and they each played 22 times (22 × 7 = 154). When the leagues expanded to 10 teams each, they switched to the 162 game schedule, playing each league opponent 18 times (18 × 9 = 162).

Now, in the days of multiple divisions (with uneven numbers of teams) and unbalanced schedules, and interleague play, there’s no good reason for that particular number.

Something I didn’t know: in 1961 when the AL added the Angels and the new Senators, they played the new 162 game schedule, while the NL teams still played only 154 games (the Mets and Colt 45s were added the next year).

Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough

by andeux on Nov 20, 2008 11:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep.

Then, after 1969 expansion, it still worked out well for 162 games.

Own division – 18 × 5 teams = 90 games
Other division – 12 × 6 teams = 72 games

Total = 162 games

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Nov 20, 2008 12:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

162 = 2 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3

That makes it work well for various schedule-balancing equations. Making a multiple of 10 is less helpful.

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by iglew on Nov 20, 2008 1:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This sounds like the

tarp up the stadium idea.

Because something might need to be done about the playoff schedule.

Why?

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by rfloh on Nov 20, 2008 12:41 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because it's ridiculous to have the WS into November.

This year was bad enough. Next year has the possibility of being WAY worse. You can’t play baseball in November in at least half of the US.

"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers

by baseballgirl on Nov 20, 2008 9:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Yet, they managed to play baseball this year.

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by rfloh on Nov 20, 2008 1:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

* shrug *

stuff happens.

Even if the game was held a week or 2 earlier, bad weather could still have happened. Weather in the northeast at that time of the year is like that. The only 100% weather proof solution would be to force every team playing in cold weather cities to build dome / roof stadiums.

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by rfloh on Nov 20, 2008 5:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This would just be a horrible, horrible idea ...

just terrible … atrocious … offensive even … it really makes me want to puke … loathsome and dreadful … I mean, I seriously abhor this idea … it is appalling on a number of levels … it is rotten, shocking and unfortunate that he would even suggest it …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 20, 2008 12:54 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe someone in the MLB front office...

…is paying Lew to make Bud sound reasonable in comparison!

by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 20, 2008 1:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 20, 2008 2:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hi PT

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 9:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Party like it's 1993

Get rid of the wild card and go back to four teams making the playoffs—and the playoffs start with two seven-games series, called the ALCS and the NLCS. Series that could be played, as WCanseco suggests, with no days off.
Then all of the playoff records set by guys like Bernie Williams, Jeter and ManRam would go unbroken, but nobody would care; they would be acknowledged as the product of an era in which the playoffs expanded too much, diluting each game’s importance until audiences stopped caring.

Brainless Automaton #439

by rubin sierra on Nov 20, 2008 12:59 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Minds

I was in the process of posting exactly the same suggestion.

Two divisions per league. The four division winners go to the playoffs. Simple, effective, and exciting. No November World Series.

And while we’re at it, how about eliminating interleague play?

by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 20, 2008 1:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I don’t understand why people think fewer playoff spots = more exciting. It’s almost always going to be LESS exciting. 1993 NL-type scenarios are incredibly rare. It’s not a coincidence that a sizable majority of the one-game playoffs in baseball have happened since 1994.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 9:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This sounds like Lew's argument.

One game playoffs are not a good thing. Yes, they’re exciting. But whether or not a team makes the post-season shouldn’t depend on a single playoff game.

In the pre-wild card world of division winners making the playoffs there were plenty of exciting pennant races. Yes, the very last week of the season is, on the margin, a little less likely to be meaningful. But the increased possibility that there will be a week of meaningless baseball is well worth avoiding November World Series games or having to make the eventual World Series champ in part rely on the virtual coin flip of a one-game playoff.

To me, making success in the long baseball season meaningful is far more important than adding a little meaning to a single week of the season.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 20, 2008 12:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One-game playoffs are the consequence of close pennant races in the current system

In the Wolff system, they’re the consequence of… the rules. That’s a totally different kettle of fish. I don’t want one-game playoffs because they are inherently awesome (they aren’t), I want them because they indicate that at least one division went wire to wire.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 1:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Argubly

Those one game playoffs to decide the division winner should be traditional 3-game series (best of 2s). You can’t really add a 5 game/7 game b/c it would be ridiculously long. But a quick 3 game set would be better than a single coin flip.

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by DMOAS on Nov 20, 2008 5:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1 to this part:
To me, making success in the long baseball season meaningful is far more important than adding a little meaning to a single week of the season.

1. Whatever the benefits of the wild card system, adding extra teams to the playoff mix by definition devalues the regular season success of the best teams. I think it is always problematic to move in that direction.

2. Maybe this makes me a terrible fan, but I find the wild card era playoffs to be kind of interminable, especially when the A’s are not involved. Bazillions of days off. Buffoonish khaki-clad towel wavers posing as fans. The contrived hyperventilating pundit circus. Nonstop odes to Clutch. Sideline reporters. Joe Buck.

3. Fetishizing playoff drama and late season tension disregards what is to me the central appeal of baseball: the long, languid season. Drawn out afternoons. The comfortable, neighbor next door feel of it. The day after day repetition. The placidity. I like that I’m not always on the edge of my seat. I like that losses sting only a bit because there is always another game tomorrow.

4. Upon further reflection, it occurs to me that given the attention span annihilating, high-energy glorifying cultural moment in which we live, the sentiments expressed in #3 are probably shared by a maximum of seven other people across America. Luckily, I don’t care.

by 74mk on Nov 20, 2008 6:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

May I suggest a nice cricket test match.

Bangladesh vs New Zealand was placid as hell.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/cr/sc/2,4.html

Not ready for that level of placidity? Maybe the IPL is for you? I’m Deccan Chargers fan myself. They’re terrible but I’m OK with it since I don’t care that much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyderabad_Twenty20_franchise

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I too love placidity

(and Eric Chavez interviews), but I do like the wild card.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Nov 21, 2008 3:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

#3

74mk, that paragraph was awesome. Count me in one of the seven.

by dscel on Nov 21, 2008 7:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

0 playoff spots = more exciting

It’s more exciting because you have more teams playiing for one spot in the World Series, winner take all.

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by Monday Fan on Nov 20, 2008 12:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or the 75% of fans

who tune out at the All Star Break.

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by DMOAS on Nov 20, 2008 5:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I yearn for the days when they drew 5000 fans to the Polo Grounds.....

Ah the memories….

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In my heart of hearts,

I kinda wish that the masses didn’t care about baseball, and games were played in the afternoons in front of a few thousand knowledgeable hardcore fans.

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 12:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With no wild card, you'd have to either

give one team a bye, or switch to four divisions in each league. At this moment, it would mean that either two divisions have three teams, or one has two. Or to even things out MLB expands two more teams, which doesn’t seem likely in this economy.

by LoneStranger on Nov 20, 2008 10:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OR - MY IDEA - bring the Brewers back to the AL:

15 teams per league, 3 divisions of 5, keep the wild card, shorten the season back to 154, extend the ALDS to 7 games (that way wild card teams really earn it if they advance).

I think this would be the best way.

(P.S. we really don’t have to bring the Brewers back, but it just evens out the comp so each league has 15 teams fighting for 4 spots.)

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Nov 20, 2008 5:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHY did they move the brewers to the NL??

and shorted up the AL West ( which is a good thing for us )

was it because of lack of teams on the west coast?

Ellis for President

by tosk on Nov 20, 2008 11:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope.

14 in the AL
16 in the NL

6 teams in NL Central which must be disheartening for the Reds..
4 in the AL west

On Robert Buans show, I heard a caller ask David Forst when they were going to fix that and he replied “hopefully never”

Ellis for President

by tosk on Nov 21, 2008 12:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha

I’m an American living abroad, I haven’t learned a new language, I’ve lost one..

I read even and thought “the same”.

Ellis for President

by tosk on Nov 21, 2008 9:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No -- it was because if there were an even number of teams in either leagues ....

at least one team would have to have an off day every single day of the week … no team should ever have an off day on a Saturday or a Sunday … that’s just unAmerican … that’s what there needs to be an even number of teams in both leagues …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 21, 2008 12:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or...

you could have 15 in each league and have the odd team out play an interleague series.

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 12:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Constant interleague play would cause interleague play to lose its excitement, making it just like the NFL, NBA or NHL ...

which no on cares about …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 21, 2008 2:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like interleague play,

but I’ve always hated the BS way they group all the interleague games together. I’d rather see them spaced out through the whole season.

I’d also like to see regular season interleague games against NPB, too. Each team spends a week in Japan playing 3 2-game series, and each Japanese team comes over for a week.

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 22, 2008 12:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i like the wild card...i mean that year when the mariners won 116 games, they A's won what? 102?

imagine a team winning 100 games and not making the playoffs

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Nov 20, 2008 10:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ditto the '93 Giants

102-60 and you don’t even make the postseason? That’s frigging harsh.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 12:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, but was their record vs. the braves that year?

The better team mad the play-offs.

Ellis for President

by tosk on Nov 20, 2008 11:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Arrrrrrrrrr! Playoffs!

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 21, 2008 1:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They won fewer games.

They had a chance to win more games. They failed.

Nothing harsh about that.

For most of the history of MLB you had to win your entire league to make it to the postseason.

In 1954, the New York Yankees won 103 games and they didn’t make the postseason. Do I feel sorry for them? Of course not! They were eight games worse than the Indians. (Incidentally, that 103-51 record is the equivalent of 108 wins over a 162 game season. The White Sox won the equivalent of 98 games that season, too).

by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 20, 2008 12:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right, and most of the teams stopped being relevant well before the end of the season

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 1:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well ok.

Why not go all the way then? Make the team that wins the most games in the AL and the NL the champion.

The Angels won the most games this season. Other teams won fewer games. They failed.

Nothing harsh about that.

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by rfloh on Nov 20, 2008 1:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They should get something for that...like the champions of European Soccer Leagues

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But this is the beauty of the American system

It’s one thing to be the best team over 6 months, but having to rise up and win an elimination games shows which teams can with both consistently and when they have to.

I have no sympathy for the 93’ Giants or the ’08 Cubs.

That being said though, I think it’s important not to go overboard, the shear amount of that make the post season in the NBA, NHL, and NFL almost defeats the purpose of the regular season… I think the baseball system is pretty good now, except for the amount of time it takes. Eliminate all non-traveling off-days and I’m a happy camper.

Ellis for President

by tosk on Nov 20, 2008 11:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the off days have got to go,

and when the next big TV contract comes up,
kick FOX to the f’n curb!

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 12:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but each league had fewer teams.

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by Scottbass on Nov 20, 2008 1:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's so magical about 100 wins?

If another team wins 110 the same year you win 100, then 100 isn’t so special.

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by Monday Fan on Nov 20, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More games.

LDS 7 games, LCS 7 games, WS 9 games. I’m tired of teams that are clearly not the best winning the World Series. More games will help ensure the best (or at least better, and I’m looking at you 2006 Cardinals) team wins.

How to keep it from going to November? Eliminate unnecessary offdays. Don’t worry about what day of the week a series begins. Even if you include travel off days, under my plan (I sound like a politician), the maximum number of days needed is 32. That’s if every round a series goes the max. So, how to avoid November?

Cut a week, at least, off spring training. Maybe two weeks. If the schedule is built so that most of these games are played in the (I think) 12-14 stadiums that are warm weather/roofed/domed the amount of bad weather games early will be limited. And even if a few crappy-weather games are played in March, that’s much better than playing them in November.

by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 1:18 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This.

Spring Training is stupid long, and the last 2 weeks of it basically consist of guys playing 2 innings and then sitting around doing nothing and waiting for “real” games to start.

by mikev on Nov 20, 2008 8:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOT this

I completely disagree with the sentiment here.

First of all, adding two games to a series doesn’t guarantee the better team will win. Even if it were a 21-game series, it still would not be certain that the better team wins. There are still enough random and pseudo-random factors involved.

But even if it were possible to assure that the better team always wins, that would not be a good thing.

An essential part of what makes a baseball game fun is that you don’t know for sure who is going to win. One team might be much better than the other, but there’s still a chance the weaker team could pull out an upset. If it weren’t for that possibility, how much more boring would the game be?

The same thing applies to any playoff series. If you always know the underdog is going to lose, then what’s the point of even playing the series?

The playoffs are fine as they are right now. The better team has a better chance of winning, as well it should, but it’s not a guarantee. That uncertainty is a good thing, and one result of it is that sometimes the weaker team will pull off an upset. That possibility is a good thing. If it didn’t exist, no one would ever have anything to root for.

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by iglew on Nov 20, 2008 1:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I support iglew's plan to go to a 21 game playoff series ...

Okay, no, not really …

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by devo on Nov 20, 2008 1:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think a 162 game series would be much more likely to lead to the correct champion

Of course it would be monotonous for the same two teams to play over and over, so they could change opponents once in a while. Wait…..why not have all the teams in each league play each other!

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted for "other"

and like a couple of other earlier posters, I would like to see the wild card dumped. As long as I’m here I’d like to suggest that M:LB get rid of, in order of preference, b) the abomination known as interleague play and (this one isn’t too popular) b) the designated hitter. I’d also like to see a return to the tighter strike zone. Ha ha. Fat chance on any of them.

by Mark A on Nov 20, 2008 1:26 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.
. I’d also like to see a return to the tighter strike zone. Ha ha. Fat chance on any of them.

I can haz robot umps.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 20, 2008 2:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only one of these I liked is the getting rid of the DH

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 5:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why does watching Duke try to hit help baseball?

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 9:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've asked myself that about Bobby Crosby many times.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with interleage, but I wish all baseball had the DH

"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers

by baseballgirl on Nov 20, 2008 9:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's "interleague"

"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers

by baseballgirl on Nov 20, 2008 9:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Instead of one game why not two?

Model it after the European Champions League in Soccer.

One game at each park, if its a tie the team with the best run difference wins, and if they score the same amount of runs the team that scored the most runs on the road is the winner.

If you have the same amount of runs in both games after nine innings in game 2, you play extra innings…

I just thought of this for the first time right now, but it could be fun and it would be a little more fair than a one game playoff.

Otherwise I do think they need to reduce the season back to 154 games, begin the season a week earlier, or bring back doubleheaders. Baseball i november is just rediculous…

Ellis for President

by tosk on Nov 20, 2008 2:27 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So the Pythagorean champion would actually be the winner?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 5:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meaning the team who scores the most runs?

only if each team wins a game.

but this is silly, I just threw this out in reply to the idea of a one game playoff..

I can’t believe he said that publicaly, for now on he’ll always be “That Owner Who Wants the One Game Playoff”.

Ellis for President

by tosk on Nov 20, 2008 5:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"only if each team wins a game"

Yeah, but if that’s not the case, it’s still the team who scored the most runs.

By the way, I don’t think this is such a bad idea. Yes, it’s a little weird, but I think it would be fun.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Nov 20, 2008 1:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not have a split squad playing games at each home city simultaneously?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

You realize he means most runs in the two-game playoff series, not most runs over the regular season, right?

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Nov 20, 2008 1:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

I hate the soccer playoff system. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. Words cannot express how idiotic I think that system is.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 2:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Pythagoreas is smiling in his grave...

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow - piercing logic ;-)

While we’re trying on heresy for size, how about introducing relegation – make coming last count in the owners pocket, and give fans an engaging fear even when hope of contention is a but distant spring memory.

by green star oakland on Nov 20, 2008 11:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!

But for relegation to work, we’d have to get rid of “farm” systems and reintroduce independence to the “minor” leagues.

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 12:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which would be a disaster

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 21, 2008 1:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be a lot of fun.

It would be a radical shakeup of the baseball snowglobe, and if only Landis had come down harder on Branch Rickey in the 20’s & 30’s, we never would have had farm systems to begin with, anyway.

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 22, 2008 12:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have you ever played a playoff series under that format?

I did … my high school soccer team lost the Transbay Championship, based on the fact that we tied 1-1 at our field and 0-0 at theirs. They scored at our field? Super — we shut them out at theirs. Personally, I think that’s more impressive, but playing a two game series is just dumb and breaking a tie in the playoffs by anything other than continuing to play (either through overtime/extra innings or a shootout) is even dumber.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 20, 2008 1:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's much harder to score than to not allow a goal. The fact that you managed only two goals

games proves it. Be aggressive away!

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

back to heresies...

soccer would be so much more fun to watch if the goal were twice as large…

…either that or midget goalies…

More scoring, please! Defense is boring in every sport but baseball.

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 12:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How are midget goalies not commonplace yet?

That and tranny refs. Soccer really needs to get with the times.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 21, 2008 12:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm...

1. No to one game playoff. It increases the chances of cupcake teams getting in. Although, I liked the 2006 Cardinals/Mets ALCS and it going 7 games and being really exciting.

Two divisions per league. Each division champion is automatically in the playoffs. Then, of the remaining teams, the two teams with the best records are in. Or, just keep the division/wildcard system the same. Divisions foster rivalries.

2. I have to agree with changing the DH system. Instead of it being DH in AL, none in NL, make it home team determines DH. If your pitcher is CC Sabathia/Carlos Zambrano/Micah Owings/insert other HR/offense threat pitcher here, have him hit. Or if you’re the Mets and you don’t have a bench.

3. Eliminate days off by making the games before travel games day games. If you want days off, beat your opponent’s ass. Both series start on the same date, and end on the same date. There is no absolute way to control ratings. Stations are going to bitch if one of the teams isn’t Yankees/Red Sox/Dodgers/slegnA/Cubs (who I hope prolong that curse for a good long time).

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 20, 2008 3:18 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I liked the Cardinals/Mets ALCS...

…either that or I was on some really good acid… People keep telling me it was the A’s and Tigers that year, but I don’t believe ’em!

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 12:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate dropping acid -

It spills all over the place and then you can’t even smoke it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 21, 2008 12:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sheeit, brother...

try smoking mercury… it’s easier to pick up!

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 22, 2008 12:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*facepalm*

Pass the acid.

I know that's a pisser, baby.

by Blicks on Nov 22, 2008 8:33 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd shorten the season by 8 games

Bring us back to 154 (or whatever). Cuts ~1.5 weeks off the schedule, keep the wild card. We don’t learn anything more about teams in 162 games than we do in 154. You could even slice a week off spring training although then you are going to run into cold weather problems in the NE in March.

by jdr on Nov 20, 2008 11:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

End the regular season on Labor Day weekend

Multi-level playoffs rule the day in US sports, so I’m not going to fight that. But even this die-hard baseball fan loses interest as the weather gets colder and the days get shorter. I think that the regular season should end (hopefully with a bang) on Labor Day weekend (thereby also keeping the focus on baseball when football is beginning – it’s a lot easier to follow baseball than football when you’re out grilling), and in no event should ANY baseball game be played after October 1 (OK, October 7, if you are really, really wedded to the “Mr. October” construct).
The biggest reason I favor shortening the season is that late night baseball in cold weather climates is not real baseball – it’s crap. I was so relieved this year when neither Bay Area team made the playoffs and I didn’t have to watch.

by catfan on Nov 20, 2008 1:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"I was so relieved this year when neither Bay Area team made the playoffs and I didn’t have to watch."

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 2:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(throws full cup of beer)

(misses completely and douses some poor old lady in an A’s/Giants ’89 series hat covered with Barry Zito pins)

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 12:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who deserved it anyway

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 21, 2008 1:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look, I am perfectly ok with the one-game LDS

So long as the leagues use Finley’s baseballs. Those A’s owners and their wacky ideas; I tell ya.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 20, 2008 6:02 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was the one.

He also brought us Ball Girls and Hot Pants Day.

I feel like I may have mentioned that before.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 20, 2008 12:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that one day or two?

I suspect it’s two, but I’m hoping for one. There should be a day for ball girls and hot pants.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Nov 20, 2008 1:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fewer games, shorter season

1. I’d take 8 games out of the April schedule—games played in miserable weather in April are no different from games played in Nov miserable weather.
2. I don’t think there is much opportunity to reduce days off. Doesn’t the union agreement specify something about this?
3. I like the idea of playing a few doubleheaders (those were the days); but, I doubt that today’s fans have the patience for them.
4. I’d eliminate the wild card; maybe two 7-game series would work; but, I’d want the WS to be finished by the second or third week of Oct.

I like all the major sports; but, there is way, way too much overlap in their schedules!

by philly a's on Nov 20, 2008 6:29 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, double-dips

Thing is in the days of the double-headers, it still wasn’t that long of an outing to the ball yard because the games were shorter (I don’t really have to provide statistical backup for this, do I?). But yeah, I loved those Sunday afternoons when I’d tell Mom, “I’ll see you in six hours” and head out to the Coliseum.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 20, 2008 6:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was referring to days off during the playoffs...crazy amount

I like your doubleheader idea…a lot.

"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers

by baseballgirl on Nov 20, 2008 9:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His creativity knows no bounds!

as part of the special relationship between the a’s, the san jose earthquakes, and tottenham hotspur, Lew has also mooted a plan to count friendlies against foreign clubs in the MLS tables. Spurs in san jose – that’s another plan i can get behind!

"...in baseball you wear a cap." -- george carlin

by Hot Cup Joe on Nov 20, 2008 6:56 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

leave as is but

shorten spring training to 3weeks and get the season started earlier.

Beane's World!! Excellent!!! Rock On, Beane! Rock On, Geren!

by Satchmo22 on Nov 20, 2008 7:33 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or the other way around...

make the World Series a real 3-day event!

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 12:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

other: eliminate travel day days off

or at the very least, the days off when there isn’t even travel involved during the postseason. that is done stricktly for TV and not for baseball. The longer the postseason drags through October (and the closer to or even into November) the more you risk the kind of weather issues that we saw in the World Series.

I can perhaps see an argument for the LDS as best of three and the LCS as best of five, keeping the World Series as best of seven. But that One game winner take all idea is best suited just for the tie breakers when needed.

by OaklandSi on Nov 20, 2008 8:26 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there are too many games off in the postseason

One issue to have with it (this may bother someone or not) is that it benefits teams that have one or two big starters vs. teams where the talent is spread more evenly throughout their rotation.

by jdr on Nov 20, 2008 11:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1!

I totally agree with OaklandSi. Get rid of the off days and be flexible. If the first round ends in 3 games move up the next round, same with the next round and World Series. Force the TV networks to be flexible. Allow for travel days. Also make home field advantage for the team/league with the best regular season record. Return the All Star Game to an exhibition game. No to the one game first round.

by A'sfansince1970 on Nov 20, 2008 9:29 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only problem with a moving schedule is the hardship it puts on the fans to schedule their lives.

I agree on the All-Star game thing though. It already meant a lot before Selig gave the winner homefield advantage.

by LoneStranger on Nov 20, 2008 10:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Other.

Why spend a whole game? Just start with a tie score in the 9th inning, and play extras. Now that’d be exciting!

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Nov 20, 2008 10:08 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man college football is lame

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 10:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope Lew Wolff just had a temporary brain malfunction because

that is about the most asinine suggestion I have heard him utter.

Like someone said yesterday, You could have the underdog pitch their ace and our pitcher throws meatballs and we are 1 and done.

by Trainman on Nov 20, 2008 10:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cut the season back to 154 Games

Keep the same start date (yeah, April games can suck in Cleveland, but whatever, deal with it), and the season would end a full 1-2 weeks earlier. Then start the playoffs right away. 5-7-7, done by last week in October. Honestly, why do we even need 162 games?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby

by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 20, 2008 10:40 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if you cut back to 154

I say make each series seven games and schedule each series to last no longer than eight days. It’ll help weed out the weaker teams and give the advantage to teams with greater depth. Or no off day at all and that would help the deeper team even more.

by LoneStranger on Nov 20, 2008 11:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is what I was gonna suggest....

then there are no need for asterisk ever again for the traditional 154 game season is being played. I like the idea of every series being 7 games each. No more excuses of the team won because it was a shorter series. Well, thatis my little opinion, not that they would listen… but baseball in November seems a bit late to me.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.-Rogers Hornsby

by thegashousegang on Nov 20, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many times do we play a 4 game series throughout the year?

Make them 3 for starters and that cuts off a few games.

Instead of playing each divisional rival 19 times, you could cut that down and save a few games there.

If we played Anaheim, Texas and Seattle 17 times each, we save 6 games there.

Also, cut out that day off bullshit in the playoffs.

by Trainman on Nov 20, 2008 10:44 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The suspended game in this year's WS

The 3 1/2 innings played to complete that game were great if you had a rooting interest. High drama; every pitch was like sudden death! Am not suggesting 3 or 4 inning games, however!

by philly a's on Nov 20, 2008 11:48 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Posted this yesterday...

If anyone cares.

Freemont was a baaad choice!!

by dboysick on Nov 20, 2008 11:58 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Voted 'other'

I’d be fine with either a best-of-5 or even a best-of-3 for the LDS. Not a single-game playoff, not a best-of-7.

They could also tighten up the schedule in the post-season, too. That’d help alot.

I was originally against the 3 division and wild card format, but have since been convinced otherwise.

Bring back double-headers. 2-3 per year for each team. REAL double-headers, none of this day-night crap.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Nov 20, 2008 12:16 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First off, acknowledge the team with the best record as the league champion

Second, take the top 6 teams and have them play 10 postseason games at 2 neutral sites, 2 against each opponent to generate the world series entry for a league. 10 games are played in 10 days; no gimmicky schedules to avoid the fifth starter.

World Series can be played as usual or at neutral sites.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 12:22 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"no gimmicky schedules"

I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 20, 2008 12:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

This is a terribly gimmicky idea.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 1:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Restore the pennant races

Eliminate the time consuming post-season tournaments that make it more likely the two best teams from each league will not meet in the World Series.

Eliminate the divisions. The 162-game regular season will determine who goes to the World Series. If there is a tie for first place, a one-game playoff will determine the league champion.

Weekend World Series games will be played during the day. On weekdays, games will be played at night. The World Series will be restored to a best-of-nine contest and there will be no off-days between games. It’s over by Columbus Day.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Nov 20, 2008 12:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I'd actually support that...

Though I’d go with a best-of-three, NL-style playoff series in case of a tie.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 20, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

I’d rather keep it at one so the opposing league champ doesn’t get an unfair opportunity to rest and set up its starting rotation.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Nov 20, 2008 1:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worse than mine??

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Nov 21, 2008 12:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough

Some people prefer post-season tournaments to September pennant races. I prefer to see the best teams in each league play in the World Series and I enjoy pennant races — the latter being something I would guess most fans here have never witnessed.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you're shortening the post season from three series to one ...

you’d have plenty of time to give enough off days before the World Series that both teams would be rested …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 21, 2008 11:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was supposed to be a reply to "Maybe"

Oy …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 21, 2008 11:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(Understood)

That’s one way it could be handled but I would prefer to have the World Series begin two days after the regular season ends.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Nov 23, 2008 6:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you obviously didn't see mine

I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 21, 2008 11:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bah! Humbug!

Enough of this not-finishing-in-first-and-making-the-playoffs nonsense! Fie on this anything-can-happen-in-a-small-set-of-games foofaraw! To the dustbin of history with this rewarding-inferior-and/or-lucky-teams dross!

Returning to division winners is not, however, nearly radical enough. “Divisions” are, after all, merely arbitrary heuristics for grouping teams. As, for that matter, are “Leagues.” And “Seasons.” The best team shall win out over a large enough sample size. I hereby propose to eliminate the playoffs, divisions, and leagues in their entirety, and to reorganize all of Professional Base-Ball in one massively flat ecumenical holding company, in which all participants compete on an equal and unending basis.

I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 20, 2008 12:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You use too many words I don't understand/never heard of.

Which is precisely why I like your idea the best.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 20, 2008 1:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is all sort of ridiculous.

Because basically none of these suggestions will ever, ever happen.

Shortened, 154-game series: Not gonna happen. Those 8 games are a ton of extra revenue.

Returning to 1993 divisional play: Nope. Baseball loves the wild card. More teams remain in contention toward the end of the season, thus adding “excitement”.

Getting rid of Interleague play: Nope. Every single year I hear about Selig discussing how much of a success this has been. It’s a revenue-generator too. How often do the Yankees go to San Fran or St. Louis?

One Game Playoff: Now you’re just being silly.

Shortening Spring Training: This one I wouldn’t mind, but I think the players would.

7-Game AL/NLDS: Now this is certainly a possibility. It would add some revenue-generating opportunities….. but the schedule is already tight enough as it is.

No “Days Off” in the playoffs: This is done for a particular purpose, and it is so baseball can schedule playoff games during primetime hours (IE: Friday, Saturday, Sunday night). Having several days off in the playoffs schedule gives them added flexibility for scheduling times that will maximize ratings. I don’t see this happening either.

by VORP is too nerdy on Nov 20, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scheduled double headers ....

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 20, 2008 1:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think the players would mind shortening spring training.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

And the system works pretty well in my opinion. I think that most of the suggestions I’ve seen here are worse than the current system.

About the only suggestion I would consider is going to a four division system (like the NFL) and putting the winner of each division in the playoffs with no wild card. That way no 2nd place team can win the WS.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 1:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would more or less guarantee that every year, some team is going to get hosed

and some incompetent pile of crap is going to make the playoffs.

3 divisions plus 1 wild card does a far better job of putting the best teams in the postseason than 4 divisions would.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 2:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably true

And further support for the main argument that the system is already about right.

It seems like a lot of people are complaining that a “second place team” can win the WS, and realignment is the only way I can see that problem being solved.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 3:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A four division system requires 32 teams -- ie expansion ...

Incidentally, the practical affect of that plan (assuming the two expansion teams are cellar dwellers for a while) would have more than likely put Houston in the playoffs over Milwaukee, who would likely stay in the same division as the Cubs while the first runner up, the Mets are still being beaten by Philly.. The American League would have likely stayed the same, as I’d imagine the Rays would join KC and at least one of the two expansion teams in the new division … unless that expansion team was in NY/NJ, in which case Baltimore would join Tampa and KC … I’d guess the other new team would be out west, so Texas would shift to the new division, being replaced by Las Vegas/Portland/Inland Empire. Tampa fans should really, really like nevermoor’s realignment scheme … Blue Jay fans should really, really hate it … Oriole fans shouldn’t care, since they were never going to make the playoffs, anyway …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 20, 2008 2:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Charlotte is a reasonable expansion site too....and Mexico City

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 7:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some academic sort of place ...

in the Virginias/Carolinas is what I was anticipating as the first expansion target …

I’d guess they’d want a bit of geographic diversity … so Mexico City would fit in just as well with the Las Vegas Donors to non-Native or the Inland Empire OEs or the Portland People Who Really Like Trees in the Western Division as anything else …(I was kind of fading at the end of that sentence …)

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 20, 2008 11:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Dentrophiles?

I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 21, 2008 11:14 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Portland Dentrophiles...

first in arboretums, first in vegan restaurants,
last in the American League

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 1:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If ya can't beat 'em

arboretum.

Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough

by andeux on Nov 21, 2008 1:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's the spirit!

"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 22, 2008 12:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have every team play one scheduled double header a month ...

moving up the end of the regular season by a week and eliminating any chance of November baseball. Done.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 20, 2008 2:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And why is November baseball worse than the strain doubleheaders would put on (for instance) bullpens?

Because it rained during one game in one post season?

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 2:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scheduled double headers are an age old baseball tradition

(that could be scheduled so that they were always followed by an off day) which existed for all of baseball’s history, until recently, without any problems.

Personally, I don’t care much one way or the other, but a lot of folks think it’s a problem, so I’m offering what I consider the best solution.

Starting the season early is, in most locations, worse than having it run late (spring generally being wetter than fall and more or less as cold …).
Eliminating off days in the payoffs would make for a worse experience for fans, as we wouldn’t be able to watch as many, since they’d either need to have more mid-day/late night games or they’d be at the same time. It would also hurt revenue and tax already over taxed pitching staffs.
Shortening the season would shorten the revenue far more significantly than would doubleheaders and, likely, drive up prices as owners and players work to keep their pockets just as padded.
Having a one game playoff is just dumb.
If MLB considers it a problem, the best solution is adding a few scheduled double headers.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 20, 2008 2:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For all of baseball's history, until recently, pitchers were used in a dramatically different way

That said, I agree that if MLB thinks November baseball is terrible, it’s one of the best solutions. I just think the solution is worse than the problem.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 3:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But there were a good 20 years of overlap ...

when pitchers were used in more or less the modern fashion and there were still scheduled double headers. It’s a small complication, but I really don’t see this as a serious argument against.

I, personally, think scheduled double headers are good for baseball. It’s better to have a couple more games on Sunday afternoons instead of Monday/Thursday nights …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 20, 2008 3:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

And it is certainly possible because it still happens from time-to-time. I just think that it’s a strain on the team, a stretch on the bullpen, etc.

I’d much rather just play a couple games in November.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 3:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would mean a few extra innings for lesser relievers

and a couple of extra starts for the backup catcher … to me, that’s a very small price to pay for more summer weekend day games …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Nov 20, 2008 4:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Because it rained during one game in one post season?"

Exactly. A gross overreaction. Understandable in the immediate aftermath, but stupid now. Especially when some of the most proposed solutions, such as one playoff game, or one home and one road playoff game, are much worse.

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by rfloh on Nov 20, 2008 5:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we were to have a one-game playoff

Make the wildcard two teams, they do a play-in game against each other to face the league champion. It rewards teams that win 100+ games but wouldn’t otherwise make it, it rewards the league champion by making the wild card team play an extra game, and everyone still gets the excitement of their team having a chance to stay alive late in the season.

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by whaxed on Nov 20, 2008 2:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 ideas

1. LDS in 3 games: shortens postseason (the main goal) and each squad gets one game from their top 3 starters.
2. 2 rounds of 1 game playoffs (8 teams each league); LCS in 3; WS in 5 - thats ridiculous, i know, but it would also be entertaining.

i also like the play-in game idea

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by exebache on Nov 20, 2008 6:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's my "other" ...

The problem is the schedule; it should begin a week sooner. (Yes, spring begins a week sooner, too.) The first playoff round is very crucial, too crucial for a one game series. If the A’s lost the first round because of one game screwed by a lousy umpire, or an overwhelming pitcher, or whatever, that would suck. But if they lost that first game and came back and won three … or, better yet, four (yes, a seven game first round playoff is my choice but only if the season started sooner), then momentum takes them into the next ALCS. And who, by the way, wants the season to END? Start sooner and keep it longer, if possible. If it’s one game and the A’s had to play away that would equally suck because not unless they win it would we, the fans, be able to be apart of it

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by Johnny U on Nov 20, 2008 7:45 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plurality, not majority ... but still disturbing ...

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by devo on Nov 21, 2008 2:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet Jesus

I cannot believe that the majority vote is going towards this one game gimmick. I’m shocked and demand a recount.

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by thinwhiteduke on Nov 20, 2008 7:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 8:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My sheep flat out exhausted

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by Nico on Nov 20, 2008 9:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you boys just don't drink enough orange juice...

…and sheep are supposed to get 2 breaks and a lunch during their eight hours, just like humans…

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 1:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lew apparently wrote a votebot script

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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 20, 2008 10:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

And I used to think AN was a place where people had some basic understanding of baseball…

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by nevermoor on Nov 21, 2008 1:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Do you have a better suggestion?"

Is there a worse one? OK, maybe a “1/3 of a game playoff” where the one-game playoff starts with a rain delay in the 6th inning of a tie game.

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by Nico on Nov 20, 2008 9:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can think of a worse suggestion

Internet fan poll.

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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 20, 2008 10:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the Yankees have won their 12345325609th consecutive fan poll playoff game today

Despite losing the actual game 11-5

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by nevermoor on Nov 21, 2008 1:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

STFU LEW

We scrutinize over 162 games just for a 1 game-crap shoot. That is so irritating. Jake Peavy would become quite a bit more valuable…

Best of 3 would be reasonable if it was like football in that the best teams got a bye from that round.

I think it is perfect like it is. I wouldnt complain about best of 7 all the way through.

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by ChadGod on Nov 20, 2008 10:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah let's watch a ton of baseball...

and then have it boil down to one game. It would totally suck and make the playoff experience less fun and the championship (if eventually won) less meaningful.

by IM4Oakgal on Nov 20, 2008 10:38 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My idea is still the best

After further review I still like my idea:
For a 14-team league, each team plays the other thirteen clubs10 times. No divisions. At the end of 130 games, August 31st, the top six teams, by W-L record, enter into a “Super September Series”. For 30 games, the top six teams only play each other, three home, three away. The bottom eight only play each other, so they can play “September callups”, etc. At the end of the thirty-game-“Super September” the best team of the top six teams goes to the World Series.

This is more in keeping with baseball’s unique character. In a basketball series of five games, seven games, any single game never hinges on one play like it does in baseball, which seems to carry over to the playoffs. In the current 5-game playoffs, ONE DUMB PLAY (failure to slide, stopping at third instead of continuing home, failure to catch a ground ball) can psychologically damage a good team (a la the Cubs, with Derek Lee’s fumbled grounder), with the best team overall failing to go to the World Series. IMO the 2000-2004 A’s clubs should have been in one WS, since they were so good. But those A’s teams IMO were not structured for playoffs.

Leave “playoffs rounds” to hockey and basketball. Those sports are more suited to it. Not baseball. A six-team 30-game playoff ends the season on September 30, the World Series is the first 7-9 days in October.

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by One won lost won on Nov 20, 2008 11:16 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's my solution

Stop paying so much attention to the playoffs.

Derive your fan joy from how many wins your team wins in the regular season. Then treat the playoffs like they’re just exhibition games that don’t count, like spring training or the Pro Bowl.

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by iglew on Nov 21, 2008 3:19 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many wins your team wins?

Don’t they win all of them?

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by Nico on Nov 21, 2008 12:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even the Royals win all of their wins

The Lions, on the other hand, are confused.

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by nevermoor on Nov 21, 2008 1:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

let's just let everybody into the postseason...

why not have the postseason be a 32 team tourney, with the Japanese Pacific and Japanese Central league champions thrown in?

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 21, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With random seeding

Your record does not matter.

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by Nico on Nov 21, 2008 7:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not shorter season...

add a 2nd wildcard and double elimination for the bottom 4 to meet the best record team in the champion round.

by chrich on Nov 21, 2008 9:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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