A's sign Chris Schroder
by Reg on Nov 19, 2008 4:56 PM PST
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Here is the link:
Yay, this is really exciting. I have no idea who this guy is but I figured I should create a FanPost about it.
I miss Adam Piatt, Mark Kotsay, Donnie Hill, Dwayne Murphy, Mike Heath, Bruce Bochte, Don Sutton, Bill Krueger, Joaquin Andujar, Alfredo Griffin, Ted Knight and Monroe, and Ted Kubiak. JediLeroy rules! Go A's! Small sample!
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Gotta love that 95 career ERA+
Any article that specifies a “major league” contract is probably a tough one to read. I really hope we aren’t paying this guy anything.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 19, 2008 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and ryan webb
is on the 40 man roster. that brings the total up to 39. webb was not too spectacular at midland.
by travdog6 on Nov 19, 2008 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Webb has shown a lot of promise in prior seasons.
Charlie Brown GO A'S WIN
by Charlie Brown on Nov 20, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of old A's
Apparantly former 1st round pick Ariel Peitro is the new Arizona Rookie League pitching coach.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Nov 19, 2008 5:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dang.
I thought for a second that they had signed this guy.
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Both Schroder and Webb seem like puzzling additions to the 40-man.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They signed Schroder for Peanuts
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 19, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong "Sch". And trust me, I know my "Sch"
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 19, 2008 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was kidding with my snarky reply
What’s the joke?
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 19, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh what a tangled Schroeder we weave...
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 19, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better than a shorn Schroder
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 19, 2008 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
13 Across (8): New A's pitcher is shorn of belly hair
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2008 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So did no one get this, or was it just too idiotic to justify a response?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't get it, felt stupid, and therefore maintained silence...
…oops.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Nov 19, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+2/3
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 20, 2008 6:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The dialogue reminded me somehow of a cryptic crossword clue
so I actually wrote a cryptic crossword clue, albeit a crappy one. Particularly in retrospect.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, but can opposing hitters ever figure out the Schroeder-equation?
ultra-geek humor (physics) merged with baseball blog in offseason = sign of no social life
by rollierollieOxenfree on Nov 19, 2008 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sadly I know the Schroeder equation from my 2 semesters of Physical Chemistry
and alas am sitting in the same boat
by petitceebee on Nov 19, 2008 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey
there is no such thing as a bad physics joke.
i was going to say, maybe he’d be a Planck in our rotation.
or make a cat joke.
incidentally, my favourite physics fact ever -
when the state of Isreal was created post war, Albert Einstein was offered the presidency.
ain’t that just dandy?
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 20, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, he couldn't shake the "elitist intellectual" problem...
…and no Israelis wanted to have a Manischewitz with him (or, quite frankly, at all)?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should get this Heisenberg kid to pitch
Opposing batters will never know the velocity and the location of his pitches simultaneously.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Nov 20, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
momentum, actually
sorry. i feel like a jerk for correcting you there.
especially as your joke was better than mine.
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 20, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I find this thread really Bohring
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 20, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the other great physics fact -
Harald Bohr once played in goal (soccerball, not ice hockey or other) for denmark. his better known brother, Niels, played for a danish club team but was never picked for his national side.
see, some physicists have interesting lives.
apparently not this one, mind…
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 20, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, i call it football
but i believe in america it’s called something like soccerball.
yknow, you kick a soccerball ball around.
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 20, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhh, that.
I prefer to call it “naptime.”
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you be certain?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Nov 21, 2008 4:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Webb definitely would've been drafted in the Rule 5...
…and we’re probably not going to take more than one guy from someone else anyway. Makes sense to me…
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Nov 19, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What doesn't make sense is that the A's have other guys who were eligible and more deserving
Based on Webb’s numbers, if somebody wanted to take him they can have him.
by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Webb’s upside is way, way higher than Kilby. Kilby is at best a good lefty specialist. Webb is four years younger, has way more projection, and if he reaches it, is a capable major league SP.
"I'll make a list for the record. These people should be trusted: Sal, andeux, rfloh, danny...and no one else. Certainly not me. And even extra super-certainly not NSJ."
by notsellingjeans on Nov 20, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he's so far away from being useful that it would be insane for a team to actually take him
What team wants to put up with 3 years of way below replacement performance hoping a longshot will turn into something decent?
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A team that has no chance of the playoffs and/or can't afford to pay starters 10MM a year
Name this player:
2000: 86 IP, 64-54 K-walk ratio, 6.49 era, 1.81 whip
2001: 43 IP, 28-16 K-walk ratio, 4.74 era, 1.51 whip
Hint: he was the most dominant pitcher in baseball for the next five years.
I’m not saying Webb can become that guy. However, the argument that no team should tolerate a terrible year or two from a Rule 5 draft pick is hard to defend. Worst case, a team that drafted Webb tolerates one terrible year as their 7th reliever, then options him down for the next two. The upside is still there when he’s 25-26, when he might become a 400K, adequate 4th starter. Those have a ton of value in a league where Carlos Silva and Kyle Lohse make eight figures.
"I'll make a list for the record. These people should be trusted: Sal, andeux, rfloh, danny...and no one else. Certainly not me. And even extra super-certainly not NSJ."
by notsellingjeans on Nov 20, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Santana was also 2 years younger than Webb when he was taken
Webb has a longer history of being a bad minor leaguer, and at higher levels.
It was more reasonable that Santana, at that point, could’ve put it together (even after 3 awful minor league seasons), than there is about Webb. And I think other teams would think that, too.
With all the pitching depth on the A’s, Something like 4 guys would have to lose their arms in a freak chainsaw accident for Webb to even show up on the radar for the next handful of years.
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Webb improves and becomes a viable trade chip.
You can never have too many trade chips, especially on a team with limited payroll.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on Nov 20, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Point being that just because the A's have depth
shouldn’t mean that they should leave young pitchers with high upsides for others to freely grab.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on Nov 20, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think calling Webb a "high upside" guy would be like saying Rajai Davis has 50 HR "potential"
I don’t see why anybody would want Webb. There have to be a good 15-20 pitchers around the league who won’t be protected who are more likely to be even mediocre major leaguers.
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Rajai will reach 50 in his career
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
all these posts about Ryan Webb?
I’m sure he’s a nice guy and all, but he’s the definition of organizational filler. He’s been insanely hittable even in the low minors. Ryan Sweeney would get whiplash if Webb ever took the mound in Oakland. His upside is blowout time long reliever. I hate to say that about a guy but it’s probably true.
by jdr on Nov 20, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Which is why I don’t see why protecting him is worthwhile when there are other guys much more likely to be taken in the Rule 5 Draft AND much more valuable (especially to the A’s).
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But don't say who it is till after
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could it just be..
That Beane has rec’d the most inquiries about Ryan Webb over the past 3-4 seasons. I’m sure Webb’s name came up at least a couple times during the 100’s of trade discussions Beane has had, and he probably thinks the Reds (or some other team) will select Webb in Rule V if not protected. No one is asking about Jesus Guzman, Luke Recker, Brad Kilby, etc.
Maybe the A’s think that Webb is a late bloomer. It took Vin Mazzaro 2-3 years to figure things out. Maybe it takes Webb 4-5 years?
by Colorado Fan on Nov 21, 2008 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if davis goes on the performance enhancers and hits 50
can we expect him to have ’roid raj?
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 21, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oiy
"I'll make a list for the record. These people should be trusted: Sal, andeux, rfloh, danny...and no one else. Certainly not me. And even extra super-certainly not NSJ."
by notsellingjeans on Nov 21, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Schroder's stats are good
seems like a good pickup. Not sure why he was in the minors last year….
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2008 6:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Because they're the LOLNats.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on Nov 19, 2008 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
owned by Jeff LOLria
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 19, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Ted Lerner
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they'll trade for Rich ORLYa
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Nov 19, 2008 11:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean the nationLOLs
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2008 6:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his TRA regressed has been solid across the board.
He seems like he could be an above average pitcher for us, and possible even good enough as a setup man, though we probably have that covered with Ziegler at this point (assuming Devine is the closer).
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 19, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
minorleaguesplits.com and BB-Pro say his MLE's are
3.76 and 4.26 respectively for 2008. His 2007 tRA* was 3.50 for the Nats. I don’t think it’s a bad pickup when the main bullpen options are Casilla and Brown after the three main guys.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which stats are good?
He’s 30 and had one good year. His career stats are below average and his one good year he had a freakishly low HR/9 of 0.4.
I see a long reliever and don’t really get it. I assume we’re only paying league minimum here.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 19, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't really been a multi-inning reliever since 2006 in the minors
His strikeout rates are fairly impressive though — over 10 per 9 IP every year since 2005. He seems to be able to strikeout both lefties and righties. He became something of a GB guy just in 2008, so I’m not sure whether that’s a fluke or he added a new pitch or something. He’s probably no worse than Andrew Brown or Second Half Casilla.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent K numbers, BBs aren't good, but not terrible
Good combo if he gives up a reasonable number of HRs.
OPS against for his ML career is .691. Excellent tra the last few years.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm rec'ing this because it might be more newsworthy than it seems, and I hope everyone at least gets to glance at it
Tomorrow is the last day that teams can add players from within their own system to their 40-man for protection from the Rule 5 Draft on Dec. 8.
If you look at the MLB transaction page, there’s been a flurry of “purchased contracts” league-wide the past week as teams prepare for this date by protecting some of their best minor league prospects who have been in the system for 4-5 years.
PaulThomas and I and several others had been speculating for a few months as to whom the A’s would add/protect, if anyone.
Part of why I say this fanpost is worth any A’s fan reading is that, we just found out that Ryan Webb IS being protected…and that Anthony Recker, Justin Sellers, and Brad Kilby are all very likely not. (If they were going to be added within the next 24 hours, the team would’ve simply put them in the same announcement with Webb).
Webb’s stats suck at Midland, but there’s logic to protecting him because he’s only 22 years old. There’s still plenty of projection left in him at this point, and if the team believes he still has even a decent chance of one day becoming a 200-inning fourth starter, it made sense to protect him. (Those types make at least 10MM annual on the open market now, so teams would never want to be in the position of needing to get one if they could avoid it). The 40-man roster was pretty position-player heavy, which was another argument for adding two pitchers.
I also think that Herrera and Robnett might actually survive the offseason and remain on the 40-man. If they were going to be waived, I think it would’ve happened by now.
Of course, those two could always be dropped if the team ends up adding 2 more players this offseason. The team could also DFA Dillon and Chen, two minor league infielders they added via waivers this offseason.
But with 39 guys on the 40-man, let’s assume for a moment that the A’s don’t want to DFA any of the guys they currently have, and they only make one more move this offseason:
Spot #40 on the 40-man roster:
-Embree, if the team offers arbitration and he ends up accepting. (I’m assuming Big Frank won’t get offered arbitration, since I don’t think the team wants him back).
-A Rule 5 Draft Pick
-Giambi?
-Furcal?
"I'll make a list for the record. These people should be trusted: Sal, andeux, rfloh, danny...and no one else. Certainly not me. And even extra super-certainly not NSJ."
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2008 7:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
u forgot to mention that Webb had an unlucky BABIP (.361) which is likely to regress at least to some extent next year.
He had ok-to-decent strikeout totals and ok-to-decent walk totals, so as long as those hits come down, he very well could be a #4 or #5 type guy.
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 19, 2008 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Webb has never posted an ERA under 4.76
His K/9 isn’t great, his BB/9 is somewhat decent. He just spent his age 22 season in AA, but he still haven’t been very impressive over his career.
by NateHST on Nov 19, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is Webb's given up a ton of hits at every level he's been at
At some point you have to figure the guy’s just hittable.
by jdr on Nov 20, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if he was so hittable, would he really strike that many people out?
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 20, 2008 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is 6.25 K/9 IP impressive?
He does get a lot of GB though (50%), so having Chris Carter at 3B and Adrian Cardenas at SS probably didn’t do much for him.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carter was 2000 miles away every time Ryan Webb took the mound
so if he was playing third base, I can, uh, see how that would be a problem.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You may have a point there
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree he plays too deep at 3B
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 20, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are we talking about the same Ryan Webb?
I’m not seeing a particularly impressive K-rate.
by jdr on Nov 21, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean it by impressive, but he's not terrible either
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 21, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in retrospect, it wasn't my strongest argument, lol
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 21, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of odd, though... they're all BABIP hits...
and the reports on him are that he has pretty solid stuff. It’s not like he’s working off some slop mid-80s heater or something.
It could be that he’s just been kind of unlucky. Mazzaro had the same kind of statline coming into this season, and then the fluky BABIP suddenly went away and he looked like a different pitcher. (Of course, cutting his walk rate way down didn’t hurt either.) I think he was definitely worth keeping, for another season at least.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The track record on major league pitchers named Webb is pretty solid
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 20, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus they can hit doubles and bowl.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but not on Shabbos
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Nov 21, 2008 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And lead the "California Brigade" in combat!
Everything comes full circle here at AN.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 21, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, hopefully he doesn't end up like these Webbs
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/webbha01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/webbjo01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/webble01.shtml
Not sure if this one counts, but it should!
by thejd44 on Nov 21, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mazzaro's HR rate also went to essentially zero
Which helps.
by jdr on Nov 21, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's any way Billy doesn't leave a spot open for a Rule 5 guy
Why the hell not? They’re not great players most likely, but Josh Hamilton and Johan Santana were Rule 5 picks…
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Nov 19, 2008 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Ryan Goleski!
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Nov 19, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan LOLeski!
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Nov 19, 2008 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A 40-man spot with relation to Furcal is sort of moot
Because if they sign Furcal, one of the many infielders they have is going to be dropped. I won’t speculate on which one, but Furcal coming in won’t really be a true 40-man addition, but a replacement of somebody else.
They can make the Furcal move and some other move and the only real loss will be a shortstop/infielder they don’t actually need anymore.
by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does his name begin with "C" and end in "rosby"?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it starts with "C"
and ends in “rap”
99 MPH with as much control as a deflating balloon - CurveballKing on H-Rod
by Scottbass on Nov 19, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not necessarily
I don’t think the A’s eat the $5.25 million (unless it’s via trade a la Kotsay). If they can’t trade Crosby, I’d expect Dillon or Miley or maybe even Petit to lose the 40-man spot first.
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 1:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised they signed Schroder instead of protecting Kilby
Neither of them are particularly spectacular, but Kilby’s younger and left-handed, and the A’s have lost a bunch of left-handers off the roster in recent weeks (WIng to free agency, Embree’s option declined, Meyer to waivers).
I expect both him and Danny Putnam to get picked in Rule 5.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2008 7:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
me too
although I think Kilby struggled by the time the playoffs rolled around, and briefly in Winter League. Maybe the team knows he’s hurt or something.
"I'll make a list for the record. These people should be trusted: Sal, andeux, rfloh, danny...and no one else. Certainly not me. And even extra super-certainly not NSJ."
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope Putnam gets a chance
Because I think he can be a useful 4th outfielder for somebody. There’s not really a place for him in the A’s organization though.
I also wish they would’ve given Ryan Wing a shot. He’s one of those guys who has had injuries and has never gotten a chance, but I can’t really figure out why. He’s gotta be better than some of the left-handed turds who keep getting recycled.
by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has Wing signed with another team yet?
A’s could still resign him to a minor league deal (like the Nats did with Langerhans). I really want to see one of Kilby/Wing protected. Unless the A’s plan on picking up a F.A.T. LOOGY or something.
Wing’s my preference, he hasn’t really gotten much of a shot with any team.
They could still add one of the two today, cutting someone off the roster (Chen?). There is zero need to hold on to Chen; there’s this really good 2B on the A’s roster…his name is Ellis…ring a bell…Hannahan can back up 2B if Ellis were to get hurt.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on Nov 20, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Chen might be Sacto's opening-day 2B
"I'll make a list for the record. These people should be trusted: Sal, andeux, rfloh, danny...and no one else. Certainly not me. And even extra super-certainly not NSJ."
by notsellingjeans on Nov 20, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not an Eric Patterson fan eh?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What jumped out at me was 2006
Schroder pitched 28.1 innings and had 39 strikeouts!
Sure he walked 15, but if Young can work with his control…he obviously has the arm.
by Hang Man on Nov 19, 2008 7:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
control is a lot easier said than done, my friend. but i'm with you.
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 19, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's easier done than strikeouts.
But not strickouts of course.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
daniel cabrera just called, and he begs to differ....
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 19, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5.9 billion people just called me, and they beg to differ with Daniel
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How the heck is no one talking about Yung Chi Chen?
I mean, this is Yung Chi Chen we’re talkin’ ’bout!
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Nov 19, 2008 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You first
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he hit the first grand slam ever in the WBC
So… yeah.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Nov 19, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I think he'll be a good AA 2B.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good prospect 2 yrs ago
played in AFL 07, futures game in 06…very good defensively
, but shoulder/kneee injuries since
i dont see the point in having dillon on the 40 man
unless both of them are temporary spots, and they wouldnt care if they DFA them later on
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 19, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dillon makes more sense than Chen.
3B is a position where the A’s need all the warm bodies/depth they can find.
2B isn’t.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on Nov 20, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Ellis has a spotless health record?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 20, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's better than Chavez's
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on Nov 20, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the A's have a gang of guys who can play second.
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
by rebus on Nov 20, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
all of whom, if arrayed side-by-side on the field at the same time, might just barely approach Ellis's range
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 20, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But they'd look cool snapping their fingers and singing
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM
I’d attempt a witty riposte, but I’m laughing too hard.
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 20, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you're an A you're an A all the way from your
debut game to your arbitration day! :-P
by OldhamA on Nov 20, 2008 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
{cough}
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 20, 2008 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
< imagines a chorus of Rule 5 eligibles singing “There’s a place for us.” >
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Nov 23, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
schroder kind of has a side arm delivery
rising fastball…i can see why righties have it tough with him
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w_id=517975&w=2006/open/tp/archive09/091706_milwas_schroder_reel_tp_350.wmv&pid=mlb_tp&gid=2006/09/17/milmlb-wasmlb-1&mid=200609171668068&cid=mlb&fid=mlb_tp350&v=2
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 19, 2008 9:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seems like his career numbers vs. righties alone
make him worth signing for a look-see.
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by Nico on Nov 19, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mlb contract/40 man spot
is still a bit puzzling with the bp depth…unless they are considering trading away some of that depth eventually
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 19, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Jeff Gray really qualify as depth?
by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, nor do Andrew Brown nor Post June Santiago Casilla.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrew Brown > Chris Schroder
Brown gave up 7 of his 12 ER in 2008 in just 2 outings. Yeah, he was really, really bad in those two appearances. In his other 29, he was really, really good.
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 1:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but he's also coming off an injury
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 5:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pre-injury Andrew Brown, no question, I'd take
but he looked awful after coming off the DL. Apparently the doctors couldn’t find his appendix and instead operated (badly) on his shoulder.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming that a case of appendicitis didn't ruin him forever
I’m not sure if it was rust; hurting himself by trying to do too much, too soon after the layoff; or what. In a lot of ways, his season doesn’t make a ton of sense. If I had to put money on it, I’d bet on him being more like the good Andrew Brown in 2009.
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to agree with that, because he seems like a fun guy and I wish him well
I’m just way down on guys with shoulder injuries. It’s such a negative red flag. Guys come back and they just aren’t the same pitcher at all. Velocity, control, losing the handle on pitches— there’s just a smorgasbord of problems that can crop up.
He deserves a shot— the guy has good stuff if he’s right. He misses bats, which is critical for relievers. But he was not right at any point after the appendicitis last year.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the surgeon took out the wrong organ
and he was trying to pitch without a lung or a kidney or something. You know, one of those cases where the wrong organ was labeled?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 20, 2008 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're does Gray matter?
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Nov 20, 2008 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, posting here isn't brain surgery
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, by the way
GO AND BUY LEFT 4 DEAD. RIGHT NOW.
It’s the funnest game evar.
by mikev on Nov 20, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything about it looks cool except it's a first-person shooter.
I won’t play a FPS. I’ve just never liked how they played at all. Too bad though, because I think if it was in third-person this game would rock.
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
someone should do an SPS game
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 20, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in Manhunt the entire premise is that everybody is trying to kill you...
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's pretty much the premise of all *F*PS's
I imagine that an SPS game would consist of one guy standing in front of you, obscuring all the action while he engages in a stream-of-consciousness account of every single thing that you’re doing.
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 20, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like it would quickly turn into "second person gets shot"
by thejd44 on Nov 21, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Now you're shooting me! You're pummeling me with your fists! You're throwing your TV out the window!"
I also have a pretty high shame threshold. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 21, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there's not really much bp depth
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Nov 19, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i like look-see's
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 19, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wolff ... just another lookie Lew.
Chocolate Truffle
by Ice Cream on Nov 20, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All I know...
is the guy sucked with the Raiders.
Romey out.
by easyraider on Nov 19, 2008 9:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm honored that my name was used--praised, even--to get to the word limit.
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 19, 2008 10:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Andrew Brown
…was superb before his appendicitis. I think it’s possible he came back too soon and hurt his arm in the process. I wouldn’t write him off just yet.
by richwol1 on Nov 20, 2008 1:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
sure but *that* he hurt his arm is a little more important than *why* he hurt his arm
“harden was just turning off his alarm clock, no big deal!”
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2008 6:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be concerned with the players on...
the 40-man roster as of now. Players like Robnett, Chen, Dillon, and Schroder are roster filler who the A’s believe have some potential, but have no intentions of keeping on the 40-man by opening day. I believe Dillon and Schroder would be able to elect free agency if the A’s waive them, since they’ve already been involved in the waiver process at least once in their careers, Robnett and Chen on the other hand, if they aren’t selected when waived, would have to accept the outright assignment to Sacramento.
Teams tend to try to sneak these guys through waivers when other teams are distracted by their own 40-man issues. With 2-3 FA signings and and Rule V selection, it’s possible that 3-4 players on the current 40-man 39-man will not last the winter.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 20, 2008 7:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
the reason people are concerned with it
Is there are a handful (maybe 3) or guys who are up for 40-man consideration who might be taken in the Rule 5 draft. The A’s feel Webb is more valuable than all of those guys. I’m not so sure about that.
by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lets list some
kilby
everidge
recker
sellers
putnam
leslie
windsor
madsen
how does minor league FA, influence guzman/wing?
basically anyone college players from the 04/05 draft or hs picks 19 yrs old when drafted in 05
anyone else?
looking at past drafts where’s jason ray, steve kleen, jimmy shull are they still injured?
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 20, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everidge is also a minor league FA
Minor league FAs will be Rule 5 eligible. EG Brad Ziegler could have been picked last season in Rule 5, but wasn’t.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, NM on Everidge, I was thinking of Rogowski
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised about Kilby and Recker, none of those other dudes though
Recker because I think he’ll one day be a major league catcher, and catchers are often picked in the Rule 5 since it’s easy to stash a backup catcher.
Kilby because he might’ve been valuable in the Windsor/Komine role for the next two years, shuttling back and forth from Sac to Oakland depending upon bullpen injuries. You wouldn’t want him as a key reliever, but his contractual flexibility would’ve been attractive for the next three years (using his options).
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by notsellingjeans on Nov 20, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Guzman's a Giant
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Aaron Heilman?
I know BB liked him in the past. He did have a bad year in 08, but considering the A’s starting pitching uncertainties, he might be worth taking a flier on if he could be had at a reasonable price. Considering how unhappy he is with the Mets’ organization, it probably wouldn’t take much to acquire him. Opinions?
by AEP2007 on Nov 20, 2008 8:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think they'd want a good reliever for him. In our case someone like Ziegler or Blevins or Devine
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wats the point then?
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 20, 2008 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's only a good deal if you think a 4th starter is more valuable than a good reliever.
I don’t think that applies to the A’s situation.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This put us over the top...
I can’t see how we’re not playoff/world series contenders now. I mean Chris bleeping Schroder. That’s why I wake up every morning — Acquisitions like this. I’m booking my Spring Training tix now. Any news on what number this future hall of famer is wearing?
Home of the Rod Barajas Movement
by CyZito on Nov 20, 2008 8:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
this was pointless
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Nov 20, 2008 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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