Starting Pitchers, and the risk attached
There are many options for the A's going into this season; they can stick with the guys they have and hope they're good enough to make a playoff run; they can sign a free agent starter and hope he offers them some stability; or they can swing a deal for a starting pitcher. Let's look at the current options:
Justin Duchscherer
Sean Gallagher
Dana Eveland
Dallas Braden
Gio Gonzalez
Josh Outman
James Simmons
Vincent Mazzaro
I highly doubt Simmons or Mazzaro makes the opening day roster. Gonzalez has nothing left to prove in AAA, while neither of the two kids has spent an entire season there.
Duchscherer, Gallagher, and Eveland seem like locks. Eveland was solid in almost every start after returning from the minors minus the hands-over-the-head thing that Curt Young hates, except for the last start of the season against Texas. Still, he showed enough potential that he should be in the rotation.
Braden is a probably. He was decent, though not spectacular, last year. Braden is a more advanced version of Greg Smith minus the pickoff throw; he isn't afraid to throw inside, and has better secondary pitches than Smith. If the A's pick up a veteran starter, Braden and Gonzalez are likely fighting for the final rotation spot. I'd take Braden in that wager.
Gonzalez was solid in his first two starts against Toronto and Tampa Bay, but was horrible after that. He got blown up in five consecutive starts, allowing four or more runs in every start and never finishing more than four innings. He's got better strikeout stuff than Braden, but he needs to command it better in the zone. Gonzalez settled down in the bullpen, allowing 0 ER in 6 IP as a reliever in three appearances. I'd guess that this is where he'll start the season. I see Outman starting the season in AAA, unless they decide to swap these two and send Gio back to Sacramento.
This leaves us with four, possibly five spots filled. This leads me to the next option, signing a free-agent starter. Here are some options, with what I think they'll get dollar-wise in parentheses:
Derek Lowe (4/$56 mil; wants to go back to the East Coast)
Oliver Perez (5/$65 mil; erratic, but has huge upside)
Ben Sheets (3/$45 mil; injury prone, but is great when he's healthy. I could see this being two years for a little more cash also)
Ryan Dempster (4/$54 mil; had a great year, but has had control problems in the past)
Randy Johnson (1/$9 mil; wants to get to 300 wins. If not on a contender, will he stick around after that?)
Brad Penny (1/$8 mil plus incentives; injury risk, but talented if he stays healthy)
If the A's are going to spend money on a free-agent starter, I can't see it being someone who will be on the roster long-term, as Cahill, Anderson, Simmons, et. al. are on the way up. I don't think Lowe wants to stay on the West Coast, so he's out. Perez will want too many years, and can't get the ball over the plate. Sheets is more injury-prone than Rich Harden, though if he'd take a two-year deal he might be perfect for the A's. Dempster is interesting; if he'd take a three-year deal I'd be interested, but I think he thinks he can get five years somewhere else. Johnson is interesting, but he's a huge injury risk, added to the fact that he's well over 40 and his performance could easily decline. Penny would cost a ton more if he were healthy, but he never is. He needs to prove his health before anyone will give him significant cash.
Out of this group the two that jump out at me are Brad Penny and Ben Sheets. Both are injury risks, but they're both very talented pitchers that could easily be bargains if they can manage to stay healthy. A fully healthy Sheets might even get more money than Sabathia in this market. However, signing either of these two would bring to light the question, if the A's are going to have an injury-prone pitcher for a year, why not RICH HARDEN? I think signing either of these two guys would be a mistake; Billy's looking to add reliable, consistent young players to the roster, and doesn't want more injury risks that could just as easily spend 2/3 of the season on the DL as start 25 games. My prediction: he signs NONE of these guys. I could see him taking a flyer on a guy like Odalis Perez or Jason Jennings on a minor-league deal, but that's about it.
That leaves a trade as the only way that would make much sense of adding a starting pitcher to the roster. Some possibilities include:
Jake Peavy
Bronson Arroyo
Javier Vazquez (though apparently his NTC includes all West Coast teams)
There's one guy that never seems to get a fair shake in my mind. That's Brewers SP David Bush. He always seems to have a job and then have it snatched away, even though he's a decent enough pitcher. He put up a 1.14 WHIP last year, and yet was splitting starts with Seth McClung for a couple months. Bush seems like a perfect Beane trade candidate; more actual value than perceived value. He could probably be had for Gregorio Petit and Jason Fernandez, or something like that. The scenario of Beane trading for an obscure starter to fill the final rotation spot makes a lot of sense to me, so I will go out on a limb and say that's what will happen: Billy Beane trades for David Bush.
That would give the A's a rotation of Duchscherer, Gallagher, Eveland, Braden, and Bush. That seems decent enough with plenty of upside.
I think the options, in order, should be ranked:
1. Trade for a starter that doesn't cost much
2. Stick with what we have
3. Sign a free agent starter
What do you think? Let me know.
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juan cruz?
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on
Nov 15, 2008 12:28 AM PST
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As a starter?
No thanks.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 15, 2008 1:30 AM PST
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he was decent when he was a starter
i don’t see why he shouldn’t be given a shot
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by Cheezombie on
Nov 15, 2008 2:06 AM PST
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He's a type A
He’d cost us our second-round pick.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on
Nov 15, 2008 7:06 PM PST
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And Cruz wants a multiyear deal, hands down.
There are plenty of teams gearing up to give out big deals to relievers.
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by Blicks on
Nov 15, 2008 9:19 PM PST
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Let the prospects spend more time in the minors.
If Eveland and maybe even Braden have decent years, they become pretty decent trade bait. Look at what a crappy Blanton season netted us (yes, Blanton had a better track record, but was also more expensive).
The A’s need all the money they can get for offense. The A’s have so much pitching it’s ridiculous. Our starting five could potentially be entirely replaced in three years or so, IF most most of them panned out… It’s late, I need to rosterbate and go to sleep
Now it’s Duke, Gallagher, Eveland, Braden, Gio/Outman
In three years, it could be Anderson, Cahill, Simmons, Mazzaro, Inoa, Gio, Arnold Leon
and guys like Carignan, Hunter, Demel and H-Rod closing
Ahhh I love it. It’s a beautiful thing isn’ tit?
by NateHST on
Nov 15, 2008 12:49 AM PST
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If I didn't make it clear, my stance is that the A's should not go after any free agent pitchers.
by NateHST on
Nov 15, 2008 12:50 AM PST
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Why is the existence of a lot of future pitching an argument against signing current pitching?
A one-year deal for RJ or Penny or whoever will not compromise anything long-term.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 15, 2008 1:32 AM PST
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I still like the idea of signing The Big Unit
to a 1 year deal that is in the 7-9 million per range. I think RJ would do well in the Coilseum and add stability to the young rotation. Plus, looking at things right now, the A’s would still have plenty of cash to acquire another bat.
by mrod on
Nov 15, 2008 12:56 AM PST
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No Randy
I predict that if Randy J. pitches in the AL, he will suck. Borderline good NL pitchers usually blow up when they pitch in the AL. This means….
C.C., get ready to be booed a lot at Yankee Stadium.
by batterbatter on
Nov 15, 2008 1:01 AM PST
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CC is "borderline good"?
Perhaps, if you mean the border between “good” and “frickin’ awesome.”
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 15, 2008 1:31 AM PST
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Uh dude
CC is an AL pitcher. He has spent practically his whole career as an Indian. I also think you are wrong about RJ — but seriously that CC comment is pretty funny.
by AsFanInLA on
Nov 15, 2008 11:17 AM PST
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Although if he starts the season the way he did in 2007
He’ll get plenty of boos.
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by nevermoor on
Nov 15, 2008 3:10 PM PST
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I think that border is
somewhere between 2007 AL Cy Young Winner and 5th place 2008 NL Cy Yound playing half a season
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by closetasfan on
Nov 15, 2008 4:57 AM PST
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If CC pitched the whole year in the NL Lincecum's was probably still better
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by iamawesomer on
Nov 16, 2008 10:56 AM PST
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Oliver Perez should sign with the Angels.
Not the A’s.
I like the idea of trading for Bronson. What do you think the Reds would want?
No starting pitching on longer than a one year deal. The young guys will be ready and budding in 2010, hopefully. Cahill/Anderson can pull a Wainwright in 2009.
If Vazquez can waive his NTC, he can probably be had for a bag of balls. There are rumors that the Swisher trade was motivated by Ozzie/Swisher stuff, and if that’s the case, Vaz will be dumped.
This.
by Blicks on
Nov 15, 2008 7:52 AM PST
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Vazquez
2 years @ $11.5 million annual remaining.
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by grover on
Nov 15, 2008 8:14 AM PST
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That is really not so bad
I know Vazquez has a bad rap, something like emotional issues, “not clutch,” etc, but honestly the guy has been very durable -having thrown 200+ innings in 8 out of the last 9 seasons (the other season was 198 innings!). He is a strike-out machine —having averaged about 190 Ks per season over his last 6 seasons. AND over that same time period he has allowed approximately 60 BBs per season. Factor in that he has always been pitching in hitters parks for a long time now- NYY, AZ, CHW, and he could really step up his game. He turned 32 years old in July.
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by ChadGod on
Nov 15, 2008 9:28 AM PST
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Oops, shoulda previewed....here is the text again.
I know Vazquez has a bad rap, something like emotional issues, "not clutch," etc, but honestly the guy has been very durable – having thrown 200+ innings in 8 out of the last 9 seasons (the other season was 198 innings!). He is a strike-out machine – having averaged about 190 Ks per season over his last 6 seasons. AND over that same time period he has allowed approximately 60 BBs per season. Factor in that he has always been pitching in hitters parks for a long time now- NYY, AZ, CHW, and he could really step up his game. He turned 32 years old in July.
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by ChadGod on
Nov 15, 2008 9:30 AM PST
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It's not emotional issues
It’s that he has amazing stuff and is somehow still a mediocre pitcher.
by thejd44 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:39 PM PST
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He's still a solid #3 starter - almost the epitome of
what a #3 starter is: #2 stuff with #4 consistency. He would bolster the A’s rotation as:
Duchscherer
Gallagher
Vasquez
Eveland
Braden
A little weak at the top, but strong at the bottom.
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by Nico on
Nov 15, 2008 6:59 PM PST
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I like Vazquez, but rumor is his no-trade clause prevents him from being traded to the West Coast
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on
Nov 15, 2008 7:07 PM PST
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No trade prevents a trade to the AL or NL West
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by grover on
Nov 15, 2008 7:44 PM PST
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So he can't be traded to
the West Coast city of Arlington, Texas.
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by Nico on
Nov 15, 2008 8:06 PM PST
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Exactly
Denver, CO is out as well
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by grover on
Nov 15, 2008 8:19 PM PST
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You'd think that he'd block a certain EC city as well
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, just to stay out of Citizen’s Bank Bandbox.
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by Blicks on
Nov 15, 2008 9:22 PM PST
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Although he could waive it if someone convinced him it was in his interest
Which, unfortunately, would mean a contract extension/renegotiation.
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by nevermoor on
Nov 15, 2008 10:05 PM PST
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ok I like many others laughed at that CC being a borderline good pitcher. Give me a break. borderline. Really now? how does one figure???
Anyways I would like the idea of trading for Bronson too I must say. Last season certainly wasn’t his best but I really like him as a pitcher..and I agree, Vazquez will be dumped. Ozzie has aloooooot to say about him this past season and not much of it was very nice. Big shocker there!
by ilovegregsmith on
Nov 15, 2008 11:45 AM PST
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How much would RJ
cost the A’s to sign ?
by IM4Oakgal on
Nov 15, 2008 5:56 PM PST
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Probably 8-10MM
and possible incentives.
Great price for his steal.
Penny would come for cheaper though, but he is an injury risk.
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by Blicks on
Nov 15, 2008 6:02 PM PST
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And Randy isn't? At his age?
But I hear ya…and I am all for bringing him here. He’s always been a real warrior. I like that about him. We really need some proven pitching for 2009.
by IM4Oakgal on
Nov 15, 2008 6:11 PM PST
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Well, Penny is currently injured. Randy is currently healthy.
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by grover on
Nov 15, 2008 6:14 PM PST
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Yeah.
I meant I am for Bringing Randy. Not Penny. I always hated Penny.
by IM4Oakgal on
Nov 15, 2008 6:21 PM PST
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Penny also has more incentive to pitch well and sign cheaper
than Randy does. Penny’s younger, and might have several good years ahead of him.
First of all, the Coliseum is a pitcher’s paradise. If Penny were to put up a career season in Oakland in 2009, he’d be in line for a fat contract from some dumbass in 2010.
Randy just has to get his 5 more wins, which he’ll get pretty much anywhere.
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by Blicks on
Nov 15, 2008 6:24 PM PST
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Maybe Randy will feel inspired ...
pitching in front of his childhood friends.
by IM4Oakgal on
Nov 15, 2008 6:28 PM PST
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A freak of nature like Johnson had no childhood friends!
His momma had to a tie a whole string of pork chops around his neck just the get the family dog to come near him!
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by grover on
Nov 15, 2008 6:38 PM PST
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Now Now ...we can't all be beautiful...
like you,grover and Mrs. Coed wife. :-)
by IM4Oakgal on
Nov 15, 2008 6:49 PM PST
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That should be her screen name if she ever joins!
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by grover on
Nov 15, 2008 6:58 PM PST
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What's Maddux's status?
Is he a FA again?
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by Nico on
Nov 15, 2008 7:22 PM PST
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I don't know - I hadn't heard if that's the case
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by Nico on
Nov 15, 2008 7:31 PM PST
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He's supposed to be retiring
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on
Nov 15, 2008 7:34 PM PST
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Boras said he's ...
“leaning towards retirement”
by IM4Oakgal on
Nov 15, 2008 7:39 PM PST
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Do you trust what Scott Boras says?
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by Blicks on
Nov 15, 2008 9:20 PM PST
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I heard he says milk is bad for you
chug
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on
Nov 15, 2008 11:34 PM PST
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Pfft, haven't drank it in forever, wouldn't know.
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by Blicks on
Nov 16, 2008 7:59 AM PST
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I don't see Johnson or Maddux having an ERA under
5.00 and 4.50 respectively in the AL. There must be others at a similar price who can give you a 3.50 to 4.30 range. Those two would get hammered by the AL.
by Trainman on
Nov 16, 2008 10:44 AM PST
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Maddux is retired for now
Why do you think Johnson would post a 5 ERA in the AL?
While pitching his home games in the Colesium?
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by grover on
Nov 16, 2008 10:51 AM PST
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He had a 3.81 and 3.91 ERA over in the NL
Last 2 years.
He is a year older
The AL is much tougher (consensus)
IMO , he is not worth 10 million. That is throwing money away. Yes, Oak is a pitchers park but his record against the AL in recent years is not good. 5.01 with Yankees was horrible in 2006, injury or not.
Look at Jake Peavy, he wants to stay in NL cause he knows which side his bread is buttered.
by Trainman on
Nov 16, 2008 11:26 AM PST
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The difference between the NL and AL isn't close to a full run
The difference between Arizona and Oakland might be zero. Hell, it might be negative! (That’s unlikely, because of the DH. But it wouldn’t shock me.)
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 16, 2008 8:45 PM PST
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John Patterson
Huge upside, and I am sure would sign minor league contract.
by Bud Light on
Nov 16, 2008 7:43 PM PST
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I'm huge on the F.A.T, but one thing
The A’s are looking for a proven arm. The A’s have no shortage of cheap arms with upside arms in Eveland, Braden, Outman, Gio Gonzalez, etc. They don’t need more of those, unless they’re planning on using him as relief depth (if someone gets hurt, etc.), but the A’s have plenty of that as well.
And, I assume the AAA rotation will be filled with Cahill, Anderson, Simmons, Mazarro, Gio Gonzalez, etc. (although all of those guys might not be starting in AAA). There just isn’t a spot for him.
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