Advantage Beane, Swisher to Yankees
by MayorofCurveballcity on Nov 13, 2008 1:10 PM PST
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To all the GM's out there, just in case you were wondering, Beane is better than you. No, I am not referring to the recent trade for Holliday, although I love that one as well. No, I am delving back a year to the trade of Nick Swisher to the White Sox. The A's received Gio Gonzalez and right-hander Fautino De Los Santos, along with outfielder Ryan Sweeney. Today, the White Sox traded Swisher to the Yankees for Minor league pitcher Jeff Marquez. Advantage Beane. Swisher had the lowest batting average in the league last year while Sweeney hit well. In addition, Gio tore up AAA (although the majors weren't pretty) and Fautino got hurt, but is supposed to be the best of all three of them. Do you think that Beane would even trade Sweeney straight up for Swisher now? The man is the master of the sell-high.
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beane would definitely trade sweeney for swisher straight up
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Nov 13, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
seriously. if the yanks are interested in sweeney, please give billy a call. sweeney was the greg smith of that trade.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Nov 13, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome.
If the Yanks are planning on playing Swisher in center, they might rather have Sweeney and sign Tex to play 1b. Sweeney is the superior defender in CF. Maybe Cashman is an idiot and will fall in love with Sweeney’s age and Batting Average.
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by miggyk2 on Nov 13, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cashman is not an idiot, so the plan has a flaw.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 14, 2008 5:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very seriously doubt that
If the contracts were equal, maybe. But maybe not since Sweeney can play a competent CF.
by AgitationStation on Nov 13, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher is the better player ...
Sweeney probably got a little lucky in2008 and Swisher (particularly in terms of doubles) got unlucky … defensively, they’re probably fairly comparable. Sweeney, though, is a much better value …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Nov 13, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Sweeney did pretty good for his rookie year and Swisher costs more and is inconsistant as last year shows.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved Swisher but Sweeney has a future with the A’s. Just think how good he would have been had he not had to play a lot of the year with his fingers taped together and in pain.
How about Barton for Swisher straight up?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 13, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I loved about Swisher that I also loved about Tejada and that was that both were cheerleaders.
I loved to watch their antics and it would get the rest of the team going.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 13, 2008 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of this except that they're comparable defensively
Swisher won’t kill you in the corners; Sweeney is a plus corner OF. Sweeney won’t kill you in center; Swisher just might.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no thanks on swish
I’d rather have sweeney.
I’m over the .245 hitting…GDP rally killing, huge wiffs with men on…no thanks
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.
by carp on Nov 13, 2008 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 13, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 12 recs
lol
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Nov 13, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
Some of us like watching pretty baseball.
That it’s worse doesn’t detract from it any. Not at all.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on Nov 13, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's one for your files
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Nov 13, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Heh. Three of my favorite internet memes in one. That's just grand!
"I'm going to take a camera crew and march into Billy Beane's office and demand to know why instituting his newfangled cost-saving measures means that the run manufacturing plant had to get shut down." FJM
by Elvez on Nov 13, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul, I rec'd the hell out of this for a myriad of reasons:
a.) You’ve learned the art of posting images after a year of frustration.
b.) Jean-Luc Picard is my role model.
c.) I enjoy the subtleties of “face palm” in all varities.
c.) Star Trek TNG is the greatest TV series of all time.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Nov 13, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Sweeney
I think he’s closer to .245 than you might think. A lot of seeing eye singles.
Swisher > Ryan Sweeney
by Colorado Fan on Nov 13, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or rose-colored glasses?
I’m not even sure why that saying means…but I think you get my point
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.
by carp on Nov 13, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about it
If you wear rose-colored glasses, everything you look at looks rosy.
See?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 13, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but rosy colors don't equal :) to me...
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.
by carp on Nov 13, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially a palm
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Nov 13, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Nov 13, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
highlight of my day :)
you, sir, are awesome.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Nov 13, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That clip is awesome.
Kudos to the writers.
by OldhamA on Nov 14, 2008 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it funny how KITT is this super high-tech car, and Michael Knight still has to reach down and open his door with a handle just like a regular schmo in a factory Trans Am?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Nov 13, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And they downgraded and made KITT a Mustang in the current series
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 13, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The GT500 Shelby is one of the most beautiful cars in the world,
but I take it they’ve used a new model in the current series?
by OldhamA on Nov 14, 2008 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
I like Swooney and all, but over the past 3 seasons Swisher has averaged 13-14 DPs a season. That’s playing about 153 games per season. This year in 115 games, Swoooney had 9 DPs. Swooney GDPs 2.07% of his PAs. Swisher GDPs 2.08. (Yes, I’m using 3 years for Swish and 1 for Sweeney so it’s not a 100 fair comparison. I think the point is really effing clear though).
Huge whiffs? Well, Swooney struck out more frequently this year. Swisher had a higher number, but he also had 150+ more PA.
So, uh, who you crappin’? (Or should it be “Who you carpin’?”)
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I didn’t realized how much people loved the Swish so much to ignore that he has become an extremely mediocore player.
by MayorofCurveballcity on Nov 13, 2008 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How can you "extremely" mediocre?
How can being in the middle be superlative?
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Nov 13, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grammar burn!
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Nov 13, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if you're really good at being nothing special?
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Nov 13, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then your name would be
david eckstein
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Nov 13, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
these guys are extremely mediocre
http://www.mouthpiecesports.com/blog/2008/11/13/baseballs-2008-statistical-mean-awards/
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Nov 13, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be confused with the Statistical Meanie award
which I’m expecting any day now.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 13, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
arrogant prick.
:P
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Nov 13, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Nov 13, 2008 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to make a joke about him voting Obama
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 13, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like to go in clothing stores
And ask if they have any extra medium shirts.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 13, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you and
anyone who shops at abercrombie and fitch
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Nov 14, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not great english on that last post, but you get my point
by MayorofCurveballcity on Nov 13, 2008 2:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If all it took was Marquez or a comparable (HRod?)....
Beane should have reacqired Swish. I highly doubt that Williams would have traded him back though. It would be too much like admitting he soured on Swish.
Speaking of Williams is there any GM who makes as many obvious win or obvious loss trades? Garcia (both in and out), Thome, AJ, Danks, Quentin were all amazing pickups. But Swish (out), Koch, Podsednik were all terrible deals.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 13, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Henry is a zillion times better than Marquez.
A zillion is a big number.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 14, 2008 5:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In a way
It’s Brilliance. It’s a head fake. “Look at me! I’m willing to make other teams better by giving away my Top Prospects! Carlos Quinton for Chris Carter and Aaron Cunningham????”
by Colorado Fan on Nov 14, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Ritchie was also a terrible deal
And I think it’s pretty easy to argue that the Thome deal wasn’t “amazing” since they’ve had a black hole at center field without Rowand. You’ve gotta factor cost and defense into that deal.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hear Hear!
Beane is indeed the master of the high sell! I wouldn’t trade Sweeny for Swisher at this point, no way, no how. That said, let’s revisit this question next offseason……..
by may7 on Nov 13, 2008 3:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i wouldve traded
mazzaro or simmons
patterson
reliever
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 13, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
None of those guys is a 3B
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 14, 2008 5:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
sweeney needs a full healthy season. then again, full healthy seasons have been hard to come by in oakland recently…
and wasn’t sweeney a rookie last year??? are you guys seriously making a direct statistical comparison between a rookie and a 5 (?) year veteran? sensationalism and rushing to take a hard line on issues have killed sports journalism and apparently AN is no better…
that said, as i told some yankee fan friends yesterday, i think swish will do well in ny. he’ll be batting lefty a lot and loving it. not to mention ozzie could wear on a player, chicago is a miserable city, and pierzynski must be a douche to play with. i hate the yankees, but girardi seems like a good guy for younger players, and how could playing with jeter not rub off on you well? i think swish’s awesome personality and clubhouse presence wil do well with the yankees, too. unfortunately, he’ll probably make them a lot better…
by jlanning17 on Nov 14, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
trade deadline 09
yankees: holliday and duke
A’s: swisher, hughes, kennedy, jackson
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 13, 2008 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can take Kennedy out of the deal
I don’t want him. Maybe if they offer him for free.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 13, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But you can't take the deal out of Kennedy
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 13, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'd insist on being included in the deal
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 14, 2008 5:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes would be nice, but other than that...
by NateHST on Nov 13, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson's nice too. Maybe nicer than Sweeney.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 14, 2008 5:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord
That would be such a waste of a trade for us.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Nov 13, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie Jackson?
I’d give Sweeney to the Yanks straight up if Reggie’s HOF uniform got traded to us.
by danmerqury on Nov 13, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i dare you to
post that on minorleagueball and see what happens
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Nov 14, 2008 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Um... the Swisher trade was
Swisher for Wilson Betemit, Jhonny Nunez and Jeff Marquez.
Not really that great, but quite as bad as before. Ok fine, so it is bad. But still.
facepalm.jpg
by Zonis on Nov 13, 2008 4:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Can't Find a Betemit" - Pearl Jam
by Colorado Fan on Nov 14, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Just Betemit" - Michael Jackson
Did you overpay for those eggs? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 14, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is with all these mothers
naming their children “Jhonny”? Is dyslexia on the rise? Or is it on the rsie?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a latin thing
I saw it all throughout Guatemala.
I think someone famous spelled it wrong, and it snowballed from there.
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 13, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some "Jhonny come lately"?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 13, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
un Jhonny recien vino
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 13, 2008 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Join me and my fellow proud members of DAM
(Men Against Dyslexia)
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 15, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher and minor league reliever Kanekoa Texeira
for those three.
It might not have been a great move if KW had left Swisher out of the deal. He really got close to nothing in return for a very good major leaguer and a decent relief prospect.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I have already mentioned Ben Grieve today
but if Swisher doesn’t have a good season next year he might be at risk of Big Ben’s fate. I really liked both guys and thought they would be butt kickers on their new teams. Here is hoping Swisher can withstand New York and its fans/media.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Nov 13, 2008 5:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Swisher and Matsui will have a creative home-run high-five
It’s practically guaranteed.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Nov 13, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Godzilla themed maybe?
I hope he hits enough to get good at it.
wait a second, i hate the yankees! It’s going to be hard to root for Swish will he is there. DOGS!
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Nov 13, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Swisher's happy go lucky attitude will make him a fan favorite
Provided he hits over 250. I think he will have a bounce back year of about 250 to 265 with 20 to 25 HR.
"AN, Reducing Work Productivity since 2003", connie mack 11/06/08
by adragon on Nov 14, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is pretty ridiculous on so many levels
One unlucky season and Swisher’s already a terrible player? (Of course, I dont think Grieve was terrible)
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher is who we thought he was
Sweeney is a much better defensive outfielder, younger, more athletic, and ultimately more power than Swisher. Swisher is an excellent 1st baseman, and apparently that is why the Yankees got him. I don’t know the dimensions of the new Yankee stadium so hard to say how that will affect his power, but he didn’t do that well in a hitters park in Chicago.
by Laoren on Nov 14, 2008 10:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ultimately more power?
I would be willing to place a wager on the fact that Sweeney will never hit 35 homers in a single season
by mikev on Nov 14, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen anything to suggest Sweeney has more power than Swisher, now or ever
And the new Yankee Stadium will have the same dimensions as the old one.
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Nov 14, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's one of the silliest statements in AN history
I’m already on record that I will eat my hat if Ryan Sweeney ever posts an 850 OPS in a full season in Oakland. I will not only eat my hat, I will eat any item of clothing suggested by AN, including
a. a brassiere
b. a pair of underwear
c. a raincoat
d. galoshes
if Ryan Sweeney ever hits 35 home runs in a season.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 14, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, they just hired giambi's 'fitness' coach
so perhaps they think the steroids coast is clear?
as twer.
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 14, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
{notes implied "but not limited to" in promissory statement}
Did you overpay for those eggs? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 14, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Might young master JP supply a qualifying undergarment?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Nov 14, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
{chortle}
Did you overpay for those eggs? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 14, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be the perfect time to start calling you "The Goat"
But watch out for Nico.
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Nov 14, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never wanted to root for an individual Athletic
as much as I will be rooting for Sweeney next season.
I also want photographic evidence should this come to fruition!
Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"
by popcornjames on Nov 14, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On behalf of AN, I accept, and offer you a peppercorn if he never does post at least an 850 OPS as an A.
Undergarment to be sourced later.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Nov 14, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean a "mere peppercorn"
but yeah, I see a valid contract with consideration.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 15, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To BBeane: Now get rid of Crosby and
all is back in order…
"What do we do with Crosby? Well, in my neighborhood, trash goes out on Mondays." ~ Nico
by MMunoz33 on Nov 14, 2008 12:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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