Swisher Acquired by Yankees
by Morgasm on Nov 13, 2008 12:53 PM PST
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Yankees Acquire Nick Swisher By Tim Dierkes [November 13 at 2:41pm CST]According to ESPN's Jerry Crasnick, the Yankees acquired Nick Swisher from the White Sox for minor league pitcher Jeff Marquez. It's not yet known if other players are involved.
Swisher, 28 this month, hit .219/.332/.410 in 588 plate appearances this year. He's set to earn $5.3MM in '09, $6.75MM in '10, $9MM in '11, and has a $10.25MM club option for '12 with a $1MM buyout. So, about $22MM over the next three years.
Excuse me while I cry.
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wow
For a 24 year old non-prospect? Straight out salary dump.
Marquez probably becomes a top 5 prospect in the White Sox system
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
unfortunately for the Sox
that says more about their system than it does about Marquez
"All Marquez's are the same"
- Kenny Williams, 11/13/08 to the AP
Wilson Betemit is also a part of this deal according to 670 AM in Chicago.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions
and to think, we could have given them crosby, who is at least TEN times less valuable
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 13, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
S***!
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
The Yankees have acquired first baseman Nick Swisher and Class AA right-hander Kanekoa Texeira from the White Sox, according to major-league sources.
Swisher, a switch-hitter, likely will play first base for the Yankees, replacing Jason Giambi, who is a free agent.
The exact players going back to the White Sox are not yet known, but sources say the White Sox will be receiving two minor leaguers and one major-league reserve. ESPN.com is reporting that Yankees Class AAA right-hander Jeff Marquez is in the deal.
and it sounds (from multiple sources now) like the major-league reserve is Betemit.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
I'm hoping Giambi is demanding a 10 year/$1 billion deal or something
I realllly do not want him on the A’s.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Because it's better to just play Barton
Giambi does not hit well enough to justify his defense plus salary (and he’s 38, so the “fall off a cliff” season is coming soon).
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
so do the angels have to inside track on Tex now?
by UOSportsDude on Nov 13, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
A's should go all in and sign him. Then trade him to the NL in 2010.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
The third player the Sox receive is minor league pitcher Jhonny Nunez
What a stupidbad trade for the White Sox.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 1:06 PM PST reply actions
were it not for one year when a bunch of bum SPs all put up career years at the same time
Williams would still be getting properly ridiculed as he should be.
i love how in the espn article
in the box on the right showing the lowest BA among qualified hitters, three of the bottom 5 are A’s, and the other is a former A.
so i guess this means that they aren't getting teixera
unless swisher is actually taking abreu’s spot?
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
I always thought the phrase was "hear hear", as in "we hear you"
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
heaux heaux
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Nov 13, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, it's the French Santa Claus
Something clever
I shouldn't have asked; it's just going to grow into another linguistic pet peeve
a la “untracked” and “could care less.”
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
You shouldn't of asked?
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
there are less comments then I would of expected hear
I guess their are to many examples.
Save Rajai Davis
Yeah, there are over 10 of them.
(I feel like most people wouldn’t notice anything with that sentence…)
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
its a basically good sentence
but its got it’s faults….
"...in baseball you wear a cap." -- george carlin
by Hot Cup Joe on Nov 14, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
“More than” should be used when referring to numbers.
And, typically, “10” should be “ten” in this context.
Some people would also have a problem with the “there are” and "them, " since in my sentence I never actually say what the subject is. I don’t have a problem there; people can infer the meaning just fine.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
People can *imply* the meaning just fine.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
accept they don't!
"It wasn't the snooze. Everybody thinks it was the snooze. It was the volume." - the one and only WaddellCanseco
by notsellingjeans on Nov 14, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I have many linguistic pet peeves, and I enjoy others who do.
I’ve just started reading one of John Gardner’s books on writing fiction and he’s deliciously obnoxious in how rude he is. I love it.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, you can enjoy people in a way that is not at all gross.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
he's hating on your grammar skilz, jd
"It wasn't the snooze. Everybody thinks it was the snooze. It was the volume." - the one and only WaddellCanseco
by notsellingjeans on Nov 14, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, I didn't notice because the word "also" at the end of the sentence is pretty unnecessary
And I don’t think by using “do” in that way I’m violating any rules.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
the Nats, Orioles, and some other random team are interestedin Tex
its not guaranteed he’s and Angel
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 13, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
yeah but it increases the likelyhood the angels get him
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
Talk in NY
Is there is a chance that Swisher might play some CF and Corner for the yanks, and there is still a shot they go after tex.
Check out my baseball analysis blog FANalytics
Talk is cheap
Tex (and CC) are expensive.
by green star oakland on Nov 13, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
HA !!!!
What’s the over/under until the new york media turn on his ass. a couple months of hitting .230 with questionable power and man is it gonna be on.
Yeah
but think of all those $1000.00 bottles of Grey Goose he can plow through…..plus he’ll be closer to Cupckes now.
Blanton has more postseason homers than Swisher and it may stay that way for a while
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Sadly you could add Cust to Swisher's name
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Blanton has more postseason homers than Swishercust?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
CustSwisher?
SwishCuster?
one of my friends is a pastry chef, i think she does that
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 13, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
This reminds me stirring another's porridge which is gross
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
FIRE MACHA NOW!
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 13, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
There is no "I" in Texeira
OK there’s only one.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Actually there are two I's in Teixeira
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
But only one in "Texeira"
None in “Texera” and five in “Iteixeiriai”.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Right. The Yankees got the one-I'd Texeira
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
QOTM
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
T M I
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 13, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
well...
kenny williams is back to being an idiot. perhaps he should write a book. “kennyball: the art of getting blind lucky for one season and never realizing that fact”
He's been lucky in two seasons so far
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Hey rfloh want to see why statheads abhor Kenny Williams
Tada!
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Who exactly abhors Williams?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
goddamit
Don’t make me root against you, Swisher.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
Remember how Moneyball made White Sox GM Kenny Williams look like a fool because Beane essentially tricked him into taking closer Billy Koch off his hands? Sure, it was a dumb move, but Williams currently has a championship ring on his finger and is widely called one of the best GM’s going. And he doesn’t spend Yankees money. Beane? Zilcho on the jewelry front. When you’re making a list of the greatest performers in any sporting pursuit, you always have to give strong consideration to the guy with the rings. They matter.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
The White Sox have a $100 million payroll every year.
This year it was $121 million.
I hope Rick Paulus takes up sword swallowing and immediately fails horribly.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
right, when he’s not trading carlos lee for scott podsednik, foulke for koch, giogon/DLS/swooney for jeff marquez…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
were it not for one random year when a bunch of bum pitchers all had career years at the same time
He would still be getting properly ridiculed as he should be.
Are you saying that career years from 7 or 8 pitchers was a fluke? No way!
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
You think it might be possible...
For a team, or a group of players, to somehow get “insider knowledge” of when they are scheduled for “random” steroid testing?
Just a thought.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Nov 13, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Buehrle and Garcia were legitimately good.
Contreras was talented, and may have had as good years in Cuba.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Legitimately good players have career years all the time
Buehrle is my favorite pitcher in baseball right now, but up until that point that was his best season (just barely).
Off the top of my head, Garland, Buehrle, Hermanson, Pollitte, and Cotts all pitched far better than they ever had before. I think Contreras had a career year that year, too.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Contreras definitely did
And Garcia had been pitching poorly for a few years prior, then had a good 2004 and a good 2005, and now has been back to pitching poorly (well not poorly exactly, league average-ish). They didn’t really have much of a lineup either – their best hitters were Konerko (136 OPS+) and Dye (118). But they got four huge years from their SPs and 5 or 6 great to good years in the bullpen. It was lightning in a bottle.
I think this dumb move by the White Sox
calls for action from the highest levels of White Sox fandom….
He should make Kenny apologize publicly if Kenny wants to retain his committee chair
Did you overpay for those eggs? @('.')@
well played
Some of the most violent things I’ve ever seen were at Raiders games. And I’ve been to jail. - leopold bloom
by designatedforassignment on Nov 13, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
You want
William Ligue Jr. to beat the crap out of someone?
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
Well
Whatever the article says, I’d be surprised if they actually got him to play 1B. Wouldn’t seem like a Yankee move to go into a season comfy with Swish’s numbers playing there. I think more likely this means they aren’t going to offer Abreu arbitration. Clear even more payroll for runs at Teixeira and Sabathia.
by AgitationStation on Nov 13, 2008 1:28 PM PST reply actions
Agreed, it's much more plausible that he plays outfield for NY than that he plays 1B
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Sweeney for Swisher.
If Swisher is supposed to be their starting CF in 2009, Cashman might decide to go with the better defensive CF, Sweeney. One can only hope Cashman would be that idiotic.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
They might be better off with Damon in CF and Swisher in LF
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder what Javier Vasquez would cost.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
at minimum,a few must-win games in september.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Very true. If he can be had on the cheap he would be a nice 4th or 5th starter.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
At this point, the A's could probably get him for Dan Meyer and Stomper
Yes, I know Meyer was claimed by Florida last week.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
That's extremely insulting
Don’t you drag Stomper’s name through the mud on this.
rebuildingseason.blogspot.com
by Rebuilding Season on Nov 13, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Have you seen the awful mascot the Sox have?
They could really upgrade at that position.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
OMG!
That thought just blew my mind! I don’t know how the whole “Dirty 30” thing is going to work there!
"He's day-to-day," Geren said. "But aren't we all?" - 5/29/08
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Nov 13, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
that just made me even more sad!
Swisher without creative facial hair? BOOOOOOO!!!!!!
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
He'll just have to be more creative.
Maybe color his facial hair the same color as his skin during games so Mr. Steinbrenner can’t see…
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Nov 13, 2008 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
or go the Giambi route...
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 13, 2008 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
golden thong?
or steroids.
swishoid!
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 13, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
If Swish shows up on opening day
with a Giambi-esque stache, he’ll have no problem with his .230 AVG in New York. He may be an absolute rockstar here.
Swish is going to be a Superstar in New York
( if he can just put up decent numbers )
Ellis for President
I just read the on MLBTR that the Marlins are interested in O-Dog
if thats true, that means Uggla could be on the trade market, and possibly playing a corner infield position for the A’s next year.
Gotta love rumors
I saw that, too. But this has to be one of the least substantiated rumors I’ve seen in a while. The Marlins have started their offseason by getting rid of arb. eligible guys (Jacobs, Olsen, Willingham, Gregg) who are going to make more than the league minimum (say it ain’t so!) for young guys that will be projects, but they’re dirt cheap. Somebody is going to overpay for Orlando Hudson, and it’s not going to be the Marlins. I would like to see Uggla’s power bat in our lineup, too, but I don’t think this rumor helps it happen.
Related question-can Uggla play 3B? I’m sure he could manage at 1B, but I haven’t heard whether or not he could handle the hot corner. I think he has been strictly a 2B at the big league level.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
He's considered very poor at 2b, so...
I think he’d have plenty of trouble at 3b too.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Nov 13, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
So he can do it!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
But you need different skills for those two positions
You can be quick enough to snag balls at third, but still have limited range at second. I don’t know if this is true about Uggla.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Uggla is just a putz in the field no matter where you put him
He’s not fast, he has no range, his hands are made of stone. He’s totally lacking in defensive tools.
Might as well leave him at second, I’d say. His bat plays better there.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Oh, I agree.
I just wanted my statement to be a general one.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Great!
He’ll contribute to the current team which does well in the first half and then rolls over and dies in the 2nd half.
rebuildingseason.blogspot.com
by Rebuilding Season on Nov 13, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Trying to figure out why this is this upsetting
or at least this unsettling..but it is.
Oh well, at least he’s not a Red Sock or an Angel.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
I'm a socks?
rebuildingseason.blogspot.com
by Rebuilding Season on Nov 13, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
This just, again, ruined my day.
I HATE the yankees. the Sox didn’t bother me much, but why did he have to go to THEM?? I guess I should just be glad he didn’t go to the BoSux.
Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40
That's just an unbelievably bad deal for the Sox.
I’ll bet a few AL GMs are wondering, “Christ Kenny, that’s just what we all need to do – HELP the $220MM payroll team get better. Thanks.”
Huge upgrade for the Yanks either way – they have insurance if they lose out on Tex, they have insurance if they don’t get Abreu back, OR they have an upgrade in CF. Basically they can’t lose wherever they slot Swish. And, they just gained a ton of flexibility in their off-season machinations.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Nov 13, 2008 2:48 PM PST reply actions
Seriously
This deal just sucks all around. Not only does it make NY better, but it might actually make it more likely for LAA to re-sign Tex (which no one around here would want to see).
I mean, crap, I am sure we would have been willing to give up an actually decent prospect (HRod? Mazzaro?) for him. Or, with Kenny’s “need for speed” we should have offered him Davis and Patterson — not one but two speedy guys! — for Swisher and seen if Williams might have sent us something else back. My guess is that somehow Kenny would “lose face” if he sent Swisher back to the A’s, so we were probably out of the running from the start (despite how stupid that is compared to what Kenny ended up getting).
I also just think Swish is a perfect guy for us to acquire now. Instant upgrade at 1B, and can slot into a corner OF position in 2010 if Holliday leaves, and Barton regains his form in AAA.
I think he really liked Betemit. I wouldn't have minded Betemit for the A's either.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
I actually like Betemit as well
and think he would be a nice piece for the A’s to have — can play SS (admittedly not well — but look at his competition) and a back up plan that is superior to Hannahan at 3B. I made one of my few fanposts (or as they were called back in the olden days, diaries) about trading for Betemit. However, trading away Nick Swisher (even coming off a down year) for Betemit is just drastically overpaying.
No argument that he overpaid
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Rallies on Wall Street and Moscow stock exchange!
Vodka importers rejoice!
Absolut swish!
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
Well, good thing it's Thursday
Time to get rip-roaring blasted, weep while curled in the fetal position in the shower, and call various ex-girlfriends long-distance at 4 AM.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
Don't forget to
play Berlin’s Greatest Hit in the background. Adds just the right touch.
I'm here to talk about the past.
Wails and lamentations set to "Take My Breath Away"? I'm in.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
The Yanks didn't give up much for him...
so it was a good pickup. They can dump him later if something better comes along. But they aren’t going to like him in Center. If Nick does succeed though, with his winsome personality he will be a STAR.
I don't think the NY media or fans...
… are savvy enough to appreciate him for high OBP and 20-30 HR power. They’ll look at that .250 average and run him out of town.
(Please, God, make it happen…)
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
I think NY fans are plenty savvy. They 1996-2000 Yankees were built on OBP.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
The parenthetical was supposed to show I was being less than genuine
But I’m no good as this internet smarm stuff.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
This is why swisher is not a oakland A
I could hear the phone call. Billy this is Kenny calling how about a do over on that trade last year. No Well then how about Sweeney stright up? No Gonzalez stright up? No Santos stright up? No Well then I will trade him away to one of your rivals.
Kenny would never have traded him back to the A’s to save face.
Also we didn't have a 3B to give him.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Um, hello - Jack Hannahan?
Only because Donnie Murphy is untouchable.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
And a free agent
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Not according to Cot's.
Did he refuse his outright assignment?
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
He elected free agency, yes
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
But I'm sure there are a few spare shovels lying around
to help Kenny bury his precious little White Sox….surely that has to hold some kind of weight?
I wonder when NickSwisher.net will be updated.
It is going to be strange seeing pinstripes on his website!
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
Especially after wearing them for a year in Chicago already
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
Haha. Good point, but he only has his Black Jersey on the site.
Dirty thirty no more.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
For what it's worth
People in Chicago seem to think this is a good move. I call these people “morons.”
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 5:32 PM PST reply actions
New York fans are generally pretty savvy
Chicago fans not so much.
isn't obama a white sox fan?
i wonder if this is change he can believe in
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 13, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
If he leaves them now, he'll take away the biggest part of them
Obama, they just got to have your lovin’, yeah
au contra ire
the current president and the arizona track team think this trade is a real shocker…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
You have GOT to be kidding me
That’s like the picture of the Sacramento Kings flipping everybody off. I love it
au contra ire
I believe that's Arizona State, not Arizona
The hand symbol is supposed to be a pitchfork. If you’ve ever seen the “talent” on that campus, well you’d find that symbol to be quite appropriate.
I wonder if there is an appropriate fannypack that goes well with a suit
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Nov 14, 2008 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
i think this says more about the people you spend your time with than "people in chicago"
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
I think he is referring to the blogging community
And I live in Chicago, they are in fact idiots when it comes to baseball.
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uh huh.
sure looks like you’ve got this one nailed down. sorry for interrupting.
just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.
Yeah, actually, a couple friends of mine hate it or are reserving opinion
I’m referring mostly to radio opinion, which while often dumb and uninformed, is also quite representative.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN let everyone know of the company our players keep with Swish
with at least 502 plate appearances from this past season
From the bottom up
Nick Swisher, White Sox .219
Daric Barton, A’s .226
Michael Bourn, Astros .229
Jack Cust, A’s .231
Mark Ellis, A’s .233
Rickie Weeks, Brewers .234
Kevin Millar, Orioles .234
Yeah I know
That explains why our lineup was last year last in runs. They all had runners on and shit themselves either by making an out or walking.
Obvious had our 3 had Batting averages of even .250, we would have scored many more runs. But lets just either make an out or leave them on base for the next “Hitter” to come thru. My though is players with batting averages of less than .250 should be euthanized (joking of course) but what do I know.
This is my once a month rant.
When I saw the stats with Swish and our 3. I just thought, what’s wrong with this picture
And adding to that
I think Holliday will make a big difference on our lineup. Now lets get Furcal and get rid of Crosby and we should be fine. At least Cust will have someone to help him get better pitches to hit.
If Barton and Ellis both had OBPs and SLGs that equaled what Cust had
The A’s would’ve scored a lot more runs, even if their batting averages were the same.
by thejd44 on Nov 13, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason this trade bothers me is because the White Sox essentially traded Gio Gonzalez, Ryan Sweeney, and Fautino De Los Santos for Nunez, Betemit, and Marquez.
F*** YEAH
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
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Do. Not. Want.
""Bobby Crosby’s Release" - Sounds like a good title to Mr. Crosby’s first work in his next career now that we know he can’t play baseball." - Joey C.
So... why didn't the A's trade for Swisher?
was it a case of:
A) (as arcman notes above) Kennyball saves face by not re-trading with the A’s, fully exposing how much value he’d shed in his transactions
B) nobody expected it to be this easy, and the Yankees were the first to inquire, thus winning the Nick Swisher Giveaway Sweepstakes
C) he doesn’t fit in the A’s plans… this option includes: Swisher sucks = strickouts!!1, look at our outfield clusterf$&%, his contract is too pricey/long, etc
(I have a hard time finding any argument supporting this that doesn’t have serious flaws)
D) I didn’t take the time to look at this trade in depth and i don’t understand baseball very well (both probably true) and this really wasn’t that lopsided of a trade
E) something else
Save Rajai Davis
No, this was a lopsided trade.
Wilson Betemit is a poor man’s Juan Uribe. Jeff Marquez was the Yankees’ #14 prospect last year according to John Sickels. #14 in a system that has a couple very promising guys (Joba, Kennedy, Tabata were in that list), but isn’t very deep. Nunez wasn’t in the top 20.
The Sox also gave up Kanekoa Texeira, a 22-year-old minor league reliever who has a 2.25 ERA in 144 pro innings. 149 Ks, 44 walks, and THREE home runs. Texeira is only a reliever, but I think he might be the best pitcher involved in this deal.
To recap: The Sox gave up the best player (Swisher) and possibly the best prospect (Texeira). You can’t get much more lopsided.
I think your A is most likely, and C is part of it. Clearly, you could get Swisher back without trading Buck/Cunningham/Sweeney (or Barton). Based on what the Yankees gave up, including any of those guys would be an overpay. But if you get Swisher and give up Pennington, Gray, and Dallas Braden (that package might actually be more than what the Yanks gave up), you have created a larger logjam at a deep position. You almost have to trade Sweeney or someone, but it’s silly to do so if they aren’t asking for that much.
If the A’s really wanted Swisher back, they could get him from the Yankees now. The price, I’d suspect, would be somewhere between what the A’s got for him and what the Sox got for him.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
re:logjam
swisher at 1B and send staplehead down?
i mean, if the A’s are going for contention this year, why not make the upgrade, even if you think Barton is bouncing back and Swisher would only be a marginal upgrade?
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Nov 14, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
also
couldn’t this be part of the “buy low sell high, generate value” type of move notsellingjeans and others have been trumpeting recently?
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Nov 14, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
and then swisher replaces holliday on as corner OF next year
or gets traded three prospects who are almost certainly better than betemit, marquez and nunez.
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With the trade you mention, thejd44, the A's
would just be in a better position to trade surplus the OFers/1Bmen for help on the left side of the infield. The logjam isn’t really a problem.
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Oh, well, sure
If there would then be another move down the line. I suppose it’s wrong to assume there would not be another move since it’s only November.
Ok, so, let’s get Swish!
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
If I were the Angels; I would go after Texeira, and Milton Bradley;
I still see Manny going to the Yankees or Dodgers…
"What do we do with Crosby? Well, in my neighborhood, trash goes out on Mondays." ~ Nico
correction on spelling from above "Teixeira"
"What do we do with Crosby? Well, in my neighborhood, trash goes out on Mondays." ~ Nico
Oh fuck no I hope not.,
Since K-Rod probably won’t be signing with the Angels, I hope they up Kerry Wood to take his place. Better pitcher, but spends a ton of time on the DL.
I’d prefer Manny on the Angels any day, because one of him or Vlad will have to be in the field, and that’s good for the opposing team.
This.
Wood seems to be healthy now that he's smaller and pitching in relief
I’d rather they give a crapload of money to K-Rod.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm...Arte said stuff that made it sound like the slegnA were done with K-Rod.
I want a crapload given to K-Rod, but don’t see it likely.
If not, why don’t they bring back K-Rod’s predecessor!!!!
This.
You're probably right
But I’m not sure the K-Rod market is going to be as strong as he thinks. Maybe he’ll lower his demands and the Angels will be interested again.
by thejd44 on Nov 14, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
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