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Rickey Henderson Should be the First Unanimous Hall of Famer

Every year, members of the Baseball Writers Association submit their ballots to cast votes for new inductees into baseball's Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York. And so far, after decades of voting, no player has entered the hall with unanimous support.

It takes 75% approval to make it in, and so far, the record is Tom Seaver, who was named on 425 of 430 ballots, for a 98.84% vote. In 2007, Cal Ripken came close, with 98.5%, and Tony Gwynn nearly matched him, gathering 97.6% of the vote.

But let me make myself clear. Whatever the reasons are for these so-called baseball experts to not vote in some of the legends of the game should be thrown away when it comes to Rickey Henderson, who deserves to go into the hall with 100% of the votes. Any writer who knowingly casts a ballot that does not include Rickey should be banned from ever voting again in the future, and they should be openly mocked, for they do not know this game.

Writers typically vote for a player based on multiple attributes, including: Statistics, Longevity, Awards and All-Star appearances, and Post-Season play. Rickey Henderson has each of these in spades, as I'll explain.

Rickey Henderson is no marginal, arguable, Hall of Famer. The man is a living legend who didn't just set records with his craft - he destroyed them and rewrote the record books. His 1,406 stolen bases, 468 more than Lou Brock's 938, the second-place mark are so far ahead, it's the equivalent of having 1,142 home runs (versus Barry Bonds' 762 mark), pitching 766 wins (versus Cy Young's 511), or striking out 8,565 batters (versus Nolan Ryan's 5,714).

In addition to his steals mark, RIckey Henderson scored more runs than any baseball player ever, with 2,295. He also led off 81 games with a home run, and holds the all-time mark for steals in a regular season, notching 130 in 1982, beating Lou Brock's 118 from the 1974 campaign. Again, put in Barry Bonds home run terms, that would be more than 80 dingers in a season.

Henderson led the league in stolen bases 12 times, and led the major leagues in runs scored five times. He was the AL MVP in 1990, and a ten time All-Star.

Rickey was no single-dimensional player. He hit more than 20 home runs in four separate years, accumulating 297 over his 25-season career. He hit .300 or better in seven seasons, as late as 1999, when he hit .315 for the New York Mets at the age of 40. He hit more than 500 doubles, and walked 2,190 times, second only to Bonds, and first overall at the time he stopped playing.

Lest it be said he was a man focused on statistics first and team second, Rickey won a pair of World Series titles, including in 1989 with the A's against the Giants, and in 1993 for the Toronto Blue Jays against the Phillies. In his 14 World Series games, Rickey batted a robust .339, and slugged .607, with 7 swiped bags against two caught stealing.

Yet, somehow, I bet some ink stained wretch is going to find a reason to not vote for Rickey. They'll make some question of his character. They might call him selfish, or remember the time when, while on the Mets, he was playing cards in the clubhouse. But in an era when players turned to drugs and steroids, Rickey supplied his own speed - at a level never seen before or since.

We may never see another player like Rickey, unless he comes out of his non-playing state and picks up the batting gloves. While everyone believes Rickey will be a first ballot Hall of Famer, and discussions are already going on, saying he'll wear the A's cap into the hall, I want to make it very clear - this man deserves to go in unanimously, period.

100% voting is all I will accept, and as fans, we should start making noise about it now. I can think of nobody else more deserving.

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I agree 100%

But you know, some east coast writer is going to say no 300 HR’s and no batting title to attempt to justify themselves.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Oct 7, 2008 5:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't the "no"-voter excuse...

…that neither Ruth nor Cobb was unanimous, so nobody deserves to be?

That this is seen as a real argument has always seemed to me to be an indictment of sports writers everywhere.

So some members of the BBWAA made some idiotic decisions in the past. That’s no excuse for some others to continue making idiotic decisions in the future.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 7, 2008 5:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's pretty much the case.

A unanimous vote just won’t happen. It’s like there is this fear of setting a precedent and then all of a sudden other players not seen in the same light as Ruth, Cobb, et all, might get in unanimously in future votes, which will really piss of the purists. Makes you wonder if they “elect” which voters are to leave a certain player off a ballot each year; like if they draw straws or something. I’m also not convinced that voters don’t “save” votes for players from year-to-year to spread out who goes in. Which is another issue- this whole “first-ballot HOF’er thing”. Either you are a Hall—of-Famer, or you’re not. (OK, so maybe some are borderline and are worth a little more time to evaluate but still).

I think it’s a great sentiment, and I am behind it 100, but I have my doubts that it will ever happen. Would make for one cool "100 Baseball" commercial though, with just Rickey highlights, the last words being “100% votes is…”

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 7, 2008 6:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure why "%" didn't show up, not even in preview

except for the last one…

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 7, 2008 6:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See, Even you couldn't get 100% on the first Ballot

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Oct 7, 2008 6:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's that word that seems to floating around

AN at a annoying furious pace these days? Oh yeah, Fail.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 7, 2008 6:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ouch

you direspect the fail, the fail will find you ;)

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Oct 7, 2008 8:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So said my car keys

from inside my locked car ;)

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 7, 2008 9:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thy will be done

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Oct 8, 2008 12:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I certainly agree

But what kind of fan “noise” do you suggest?

A HOF trip next July to cheer Rickey and Bill King would indeed be priceless.

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by LongTimeFan on Oct 7, 2008 6:58 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1 (really + an infinite amount, but you know that)

I would love to see Rickey go in, but don’t think I could swing the money for the trip right now.

But if Rickey and Bill were going in, I might have to start selling plasma in advance for a good hotel room.

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Oct 7, 2008 8:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He should be, he probably *won't* be, and the BBWAA is full of idiots

The fact that some of the people in the BBWAA have HOF votes is borderline criminal.

by mikev on Oct 7, 2008 8:19 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For starters,
"Listen, people are always saying, ‘Rickey says Rickey.’ But it’s been blown way out of proportion. People might catch me, when they know I’m ticked off, saying, ‘Rickey, what the heck are you doing, Rickey?’ They say, ‘Darn, Rickey, what are you saying Rickey for? Why don’t you just say, ‘I?’ But I never did. I always said, ‘Rickey,’ and it became something for people to joke about."

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 7, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like this one.....

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"

by RIPHalsey on Oct 7, 2008 1:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rickey to Jon Olerud, when both played for NYM:

Rickey: “Hey, I used to play with a cat who wore a helmet in the field”

Olerud: “That was me, Rickey.” (In Toronto, 1993)

by elhefe on Oct 11, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BBWAA

All it will take is one clown like a Jon Heyman, Bill Plaschke, etc, to screw this up. My guess is someone will focus in on Rickey’s career BA of “only” .279 to argue that he really wasn’t that good as a leadoff hitter, and his SB numbers were inflated by the 1982 season, or that his presence at the top of the Yankees batting order didn’t prevent them from sucking during the late 80’s (his time with the Yankees, of course, would be the only relevant part of his career for HoF consideration).

Any BBWAA member who does not vote for Rickey should be immediately stripped of his/her membership, as it is immediately obvious that such a vote indicates zero knowledge of the game of baseball.

"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08

by doctorK on Oct 7, 2008 9:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: the walk record

Pretty sure that Rickey still holds the non-intentional walk record, easily, as once you subtract Bonds’s 688 free passes, it’s not even close.

by sarchasmic on Oct 7, 2008 9:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh...

How is this statistic relevant, or even something to be proud of? Aren’t intentional walks “better” than normal walks because the pitcher is so afraid to pitch to you that he won’t even risk throwing a strike? Towards the end of his career, Bonds commanded so much respect from opposing pitchers/managers that he didn’t even get a chance to draw “normal” walks half the time.

...and the future is now!

by gio_is_the_future on Oct 7, 2008 11:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is a strong coorelation between Rickey's having drawn the most unintentional walks ever and having scored the most runs ever.

"Lefty relievers are like the different Mountain Dew flavors. New ones keep appearing, and people are willing to buy, but in the end most of them suck." - Gallagher's Watermelons

by scatterbrian on Oct 7, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IBB's usually happen when somebody is on base ahead of you

making stealing more important for the UBB’s (unintentional)

by MobiusKlein on Oct 7, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ricky.

I remember when Ricky returned to the A’s in 1989. He definitely helped to define that special year with his talent and explosive offense. Not to mention his MVP award the following year. He will remain one of the many shining memories for me as a kid growing up and watching the A’s dominate.

He should absolutely dominate this voting.

by Gromit1025 on Oct 7, 2008 9:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Louis, with you 100% . . .

I think you’d definitely get 100% votes here on AN because we all understand how great Rickey was [not “Ricky” gromit]. But there are how many BBW that vote? If only for the attention it would garner, there are those who think more highly of themselves than they do of baseball history. They will state that they have principles and standards to uphold, but such comments will really be a farce and a way to get some cheap notoriety.

And while the younger generation doesn’t think as much in these terms, I also think race will be a factor in the 100% question but it will be painted as follows: “Well if Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb didn’t get 100%, then why should Rickey?” Of course this ignores the strong argument that Babe and Ty played before integration and consequently did not put up their numbers against the very best competition. But we all know how messy that argument gets. So while I’m hoping its unanimous, I think at least one asshat will ruin it for Rickey.

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by oaktownmario on Oct 7, 2008 9:46 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops.

By “Ricky”- I meant “Rickey”. :(

by Gromit1025 on Oct 8, 2008 9:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bill James on Rickey Henderson:
If you could split him in two, you’d have two Hall of Famers.

Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough

by andeux on Oct 7, 2008 10:01 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the only problem is

when one said “Rickey __________” you wouldn’t know if he was talking about Rickey or about Rickey.

"Lefty relievers are like the different Mountain Dew flavors. New ones keep appearing, and people are willing to buy, but in the end most of them suck." - Gallagher's Watermelons

by scatterbrian on Oct 7, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've stopped caring about the HOF because I have zero respect for the writers

If there’s a group on this planet that has a more undeserved role, I’d like to see it. Maybe in 20-25 years when all the dinosaurs are dead the voting might have some competence to it, but until then I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rickey never get in and David Eckstein get in unanimously.

For what it’s worth, Rickey and Tim Raines getting in on the same year would be amazing. But it won’t happen because people don’t realize that Tim Raines might have been the best player in baseball for a couple years during the early 80s.

by thejd44 on Oct 7, 2008 10:55 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, there are some real dim bulbs doing the voting but they’ve done a pretty good job. It’s the Veterans Committee that has put in most of the absolutely undeserving members.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 7, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bert Blyleven thinks you're very, very wrong.

Also, Tim Raines not being a first-ballot hall of fame inductee negates the credibility of the entire organization.

by thejd44 on Oct 7, 2008 11:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you sure?

Bert Blyleven may think they are wrong about him but I suspect he would agree the baseball writers have done a pretty good job overall in recognizing the game’s greatest players.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 8, 2008 9:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"drive your taxi"

do not let the voters view this and taint rickey’s chances

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9RD-d6ihp4

by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 7, 2008 11:15 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

100% is really not worth getting worked up over...

Some voters believe that because no one has been voted in unanimously, no one should. Some will not vote first-ballot for any player who was active during the strikes in 1981 and/or 1994. Some will even hold playing in the steroid era against players simply on principle, without evidence.

Who really cares though? Rickey’s a no-doubt Hall of Famer, we all know that. We all know he was the greatest leadoff hitter ever. Most (I hope) believe he was the greatest player ever to don an Oakland A’s uni. Many think he’s worthy of “inner circle” status once he’s elected to the Hall of Fame. I’d be happy if Rickey topped Tom Seaver’s 98.84% but my faith in the BBRAA has worn thin to the point that I don’t really care about the stuff they vote on.

Either way, I just want a freakin’ Rickey bobblehead.

"Lefty relievers are like the different Mountain Dew flavors. New ones keep appearing, and people are willing to buy, but in the end most of them suck." - Gallagher's Watermelons

by scatterbrian on Oct 7, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if a Rickey bobblehead...

…could be done with him sliding head first into second with the helmet coming down over his left eye. I think that’d be cool.

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 7, 2008 5:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree, mostly

Rickey is undoubtedly a first ballot Hall of Famer, and there is no defensible reason for a writer to not vote him in. Your comment about him being the first and of “nobody else” being more deserving is a bit far-fetched, however – do you really believe that Rickey Henderson was the greatest baseball player of all time?

I do wonder, though – who’s the guy refusing to vote these players in just for the sake of making it non-unanimous? Is it a different person every time? How do the writers make sure that at least one person won’t vote for Rickey? If it’s the same guy every time, what’s the point of even giving him a vote if he will never vote anyone in?

...and the future is now!

by gio_is_the_future on Oct 7, 2008 11:49 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paul Ladewski, a Baseball Writers Association of America member at the Daily Southtown near Chicago,

turned in a blank ballot, assuring that Cal Ripken’s vote total would not be unanimous.

Walter Johnson, Cy Young and Honus Wagner didn’t receive such Hall passes. Neither did Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth and Ted Williams. In fact, nobody has in the history of the game. Based on the standards set by the Hall of Fame voters decades ago, is there a neutral observer out there who can honestly say Gwynn and Ripken should be afforded an unprecedented honor?’’

"Lefty relievers are like the different Mountain Dew flavors. New ones keep appearing, and people are willing to buy, but in the end most of them suck." - Gallagher's Watermelons

by scatterbrian on Oct 7, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I forget who mentioned it

but Maddux and Jeter are going to be good barometers for unanimous voting.

"Lefty relievers are like the different Mountain Dew flavors. New ones keep appearing, and people are willing to buy, but in the end most of them suck." - Gallagher's Watermelons

by scatterbrian on Oct 7, 2008 12:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If there are 500 voters, Jeter should get 501 votes -

Merely a unanimous vote is not sufficient.

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by Nico on Oct 7, 2008 5:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joe Morgan will only make it happen

if he can also ensure that Gary Sheffield gets 502 votes.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 7, 2008 11:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by then

Jeter will probably be a player/manager with an honorary membership to the Veteran’s Committee, as well as being the Yankees beat writer, granting membership to the BBRAA.

"Lefty relievers are like the different Mountain Dew flavors. New ones keep appearing, and people are willing to buy, but in the end most of them suck." - Gallagher's Watermelons

by scatterbrian on Oct 8, 2008 2:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ladoucheki

obviously that is a load and that is the sort of stuff that makes people despise baseball writers. and seriously, is anybody surprised at something like that from a chicago baseball writer? talk about a miserable bitter constituency…

rickey has always been my favorite baseball player (and athlete) of all-time. he is the reason i started liking the A’s and even after (each time) he left, i stuck with the A’s because they’re rickey’s team. not to brag, but… ok i’ll brag. a friend of my family works at the HoF and i will be attending next year’s ceremony with free VIP tickets. once in a while life throws you a bone…

and i really wish the story about rickey and john olerud while they were on the mariners was true.

by jlanning17 on Oct 7, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does he do this every time?!?

Unbelievable. I wonder if he always turns in a blank ballot when there’s a chance that someone will be inducted unanimously? Why does he even still have his vote?!?

...and the future is now!

by gio_is_the_future on Oct 7, 2008 1:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've always liked monkeyball's solution

(I assume he’s otherwise occupied and unlikely to post at the moment.)

The Hall should literally have an inner circle, or several circles, wherein garden variety HOF’ers get enshrined at the first level, really great HOF’ers qualify for the second level, and only the absolute GOATs make it to the ultra-exclusive top tier. Such an arrangement would have much more meaning than facile measurements of percentage of the vote or number of years on the ballot before enshrinement.

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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 7, 2008 12:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a great idea.

The inner circle should be limited to the 25 greatest players. If a superstar arises and puts up gargantuan numbers, he goes in and someone else gets bumped out. The second tier should be composed of the, “greats”, but shouldn’t be limited by numbers. Let the BBWA decide who goes in on the third tier.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Oct 7, 2008 12:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How would you define "25 greatest"?

By what measure? Similarly, how would you rank them in the various circles? By what measure? You say numbers. Fine, what numbers? And do you put equal value on career value and peak value, or do you weight one more heavily?

As it is, the current method of election to the HoF is already controversial enough.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 7, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The top 25 would be just that.....

the best 25 players in baseball. Will there be subjectivity involved? Without a doubt. It would have to the best 25 guys over say….a ten year period. You could put a minimum number of years in baseball requirement, but it really wouldn’t be necessary. I guess a better way of categorizing it would be, “The top 25 careers”.

There’s room in the second tier for those who had flashes of brilliance over a short duration.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Oct 7, 2008 4:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again, what measurements do you use to select your

top 25 players? What would make your choice of measurements the “correct” choice?

And why 10 years? Would you then omit someone like Sandy Koufax? Why not 15 years then?

What makes your proposed system better than the current one?

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 7, 2008 11:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

problem

you put the 25 greatest players in the inner circle, and then what happens when some future player is good enough to be in the top 25? do you drop someone else out of the inner circle or does it become the top 26, 27, 28…?

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by xbhaskarx on Oct 7, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only the 25 best.

If someone better comes along, someone else gets the boot.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Oct 7, 2008 4:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

That Bill Simmons monkeyball is wise.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Oct 7, 2008 3:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always get those two mixed up

It’s all that stomach-turning Red Sox love.

I'm a street walkin cheetah with a heart full of napalm.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 7, 2008 4:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enjoy it

Rickey will be recognized as one of the all-time greats. Don’t let a handful of sourpuss sportswriters rain on our parade. Ignore them and enjoy it for what it is.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 7, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 7, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lets say mcgwire got in eventuallyan

anyone assume it would be w/ stl…its as if he never played with the a’s, a part of his career the didnt exist

by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 7, 2008 2:50 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't care about unanimous votes

It’s a bad idea for sportswriters to be the judges anyway. Is it a “Hall of Fame” or a “Hall of Accomplishment”?? The fact that a writer would turn in a “blank ballot” for Cal Ripkin just shows you; someone will do it and there is nothing you can do, because it was a flawed system to begin with.

In the time I took to write this, anothr person on Planet Earth died from malaria. 2.5Billion…billion people will be taking a shit on the ground today, because they have no proper sanitation…..and someone is “worried” and “outraged” about a congentially-flawed system of voting for the MLB Hall of Fame?????

Runs Please. A lot of them. The rest of the season. Thank you.

by One won lost won on Oct 7, 2008 3:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a baseball blog

We talk about baseball. I’m sorry we’re so morally unconcious compared to you. How dare we debate baseball ethics at a time like this!

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 7, 2008 3:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about degree of involvement?

A matter of degree. Everyone has their pleasures, and takes their recreation. But to spend time on a matter that is unworthy and unfixable and plan to work further on it, make commotion… don’t “dare” me, just justify yourself.

Runs Please. A lot of them. The rest of the season. Thank you.

by One won lost won on Oct 7, 2008 3:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why are you posting on a baseball blog instead of doing something about it?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 7, 2008 5:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why aren't you doing something about posting on a baseball blog?

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by Nico on Oct 7, 2008 5:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This could be the dumbest argument made in the context of sports

I’m tired of people telling me I need to put things into perspective. I’m tired of people saying that in the grand scheme of the world really sucking, sports doesn’t matter that much.

Who in the blue hell doesn’t know that already? Seriously. It’s pompous and obnoxious to even suggest that anybody who posts on AN really thinks Rickey’s HOF induction is anywhere near as important as real-life world issues.

I’m pretty sure we’re all smart enough to “get it.” There’s a reason most of us are here in place of doing work or schoolwork or whatever. It’s a distraction. We’re not putting these silly things ahead of the important stuff. We’re talking about them because we might not want to focus on all that stuff all the time, especially when none of us have the power to do anything about it. I don’t know about you, but I’d much rather be “angry” about some silly BBWAA voting than getting seriously worked up about global situations that I can’t change no matter how hard I try.

by thejd44 on Oct 7, 2008 11:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seconded

Just because we like to talk and obsess over baseball doesn’t mean we don’t care about or aren’t aware of all the atrocities going on in the world.

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by walk off bunt on Oct 8, 2008 12:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

We use sports as entertainment and distraction/escape from the problems of the world and our daily lives. That’s what we’re doing here.

It’s not as though we’re complaining on a news site saying “In the time it took all those people died of malaria, a baseball writer could have turned in a blank Hall of Fame ballot.”

"Lefty relievers are like the different Mountain Dew flavors. New ones keep appearing, and people are willing to buy, but in the end most of them suck." - Gallagher's Watermelons

by scatterbrian on Oct 8, 2008 3:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

some voters do not believe that ANYONE should be a first ballot hall of famer. As such Rickey (and most likely no one ever) will get 100% of the vote. He should get at least 95% and likely will be closter to 97 or 98%.

by jasonlbe on Oct 7, 2008 3:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

F'n Rec'd!

"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King

by Buck Turgidson on Oct 7, 2008 4:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great topic, great post

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Oct 7, 2008 10:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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