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LA Angels Die by the Aggressive Sword

You know there are times that I watch the team that is based down the road from where I live now and wish that the A's had the same aggressive edge to their play.  And then I'm reminded on nights like tonight of just how terrible a death it can be if you're overly aggressive.

The Angels battled the Red Sox to get to a 2-2 tie going into the ninth inning thanks to Torii Hunter, Kendry Morales led off the ninth inning with a double off the wall.  Scioscia pinch ran for Morales with Reggie Willits.  Willits was then bunted over to third and Erick Aybar had a chance to bring in the go-ahead run and Scioscia being Scioscia, he put on the squeeze, only Aybar flailed aimlessly at the pitch, missed it and Willits was hung out to dry and Varitek put on a tag and wound up dropping the ball falling to the ground (gee, a controversial play in the playoffs involving Jason Varitek in Boston against an AL West opponent in the first round - where have I seen that before?).  It made me smile because Aybar then made the final out of the inning grounding out to, yes, Mark Kotsay.

Sometimes that aggressive play works for you and you look good doing it, but when it goes awry, damn does it look bad because then it looks like you can't do fundamental things like bunt.

Regardless, the Angels season is over and really, their great regular season means nothing when all is said and done because they ultimately only got two more home games than the A's did.  It will be interesting to see what happens with that team now.  What about Vlad's future?  What about Teixeira (is he headed to Baltimore)? And do they lose a lot of the fickle So Cal fan if the Dodgers happen to go to the World Series and win?  Interesting times in LAAAAA LAAAAA land.

Who would've thought if there were four teams left playing that the former A's playing major roles in this playoffs would be Joe Blanton, Mark Kotsay, Andre Ethier and Carlos Pena?  Not I.

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and when the angels did score

it was after teixeira and vlad walked.

it’s weird seeing such a patient hitter like teixeira in the angels lineup, fortunately he’s almost certainly leaving.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2008 9:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No question about it, the Angels' strength - their aggressiveness - was

their undoing in this series. Too much or little of anything = failure.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 6, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly

i wouldn’t consider their aggressiveness as a strength

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Oct 6, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, this irony tastes good

Mediocre team wins huge number of games, despite barely outplaying opponents. Mediocre team is fawned on by analysts. Mediocre team then loses playoff series in which it arguably outplayed its opponent substantially.

It’s times like these when I can confuse myself into thinking that there is actually justice in the universe.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 6, 2008 9:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just curious, I didn't watch all of every game, but listened to plenty of the series

and from what I heard and watched, it seemed apparent that Boston outplayed LAA.

I know you said arguably, so I’m curious to hear your break-down of how they outplayed them?

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Oct 6, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was talking about the Angels in the regular season

Boston DEFINITELY outplayed LAA this season.

Now with 100% more Canuck.

by Blicks on Oct 6, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Angels made SO many bonehead errors

They also hit horrifically in the clutch despite outhitting Boston overall. They actually equalled the Sox in walks, yet stranded most of the runners. They scored 5 fewer runs, yet left 9 extra runners on base.

They handicapped themselves horribly with a combination of managerial stupidity and bad on-field decision-making, along with just plain bad luck. At the very least, they should have managed to pull out one of the first two games to send the series back to Anaheim.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 6, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yesI agree with all these

so I’m assuming you agree Boston outplayed LAA in every facet of the game except starting pitching, where they seemd about equal..

I just thought you were saying in your original post that LAA outplayed Boston…might of read it wrong.

But yeah point being LAA sucked it up bigtime and they don’t deserve to move on.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Oct 6, 2008 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really consider untimely hitting and boneheaded plays like the botched squeeze and the dropped popup

as evidence that you were outplayed. More like evidence that you succumbed to nerves or had a bad day/few days/series.

As far as the actual mechanics of baseball are concerned, it seemed like LA was clearly the better team to me over this small, four-game sample.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 7, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I don’t know. I saw four different Angel outfielders misplay fly balls that should have been outs and that isn’t counting the popup that landed between Kendrick and Hunter. Their infield play wasn’t much better with their shortstop and second baseman giving extra outs to Boston. On the other hand, Boston’s defensive play was pretty solid, even with two or three guys playing out of position. Visually, I saw Boston as the sharper team.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 8, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Fawned on by analysts"

As opposed to the Red Sox? C’mon.

I'm a street walkin cheetah with a heart full of napalm.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 6, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Sox are COVERED massively by the MSM...

that’s not the same thing. The Angels got a lot of unjustified accolades as “the best team in baseball.” The Red Sox might actually BE the best team in baseball (though it’s safe to say the beat up, Lowell/Drew/Beckett ineffective roster is not).

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 6, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure it's safe to say that the Red Sox aren't the best team standing, even as is.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 6, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa.

I just saw the highlights. Crazy stuff. I’m so, so glad the Angels are gone. And now I can go back to rooting against the Red Sox, which just feels so much better. Go Rays!

by whiteshoes40 on Oct 6, 2008 10:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He definitely outpitched Harden, who the Cubs payed more for

and despite it being his only bad start since the All-star break, Sabathia looked a lot worse than Blanton too… Irony is amazing…

Sabathia definitely established his value in the regular season, though.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Oct 6, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh?

For whom? It’s kinda obvious that CC is not afraid of pressure, considering that Game 162 of the regular season was more of a “must win” than Game 2 of the postseason…

He had a somewhat unlucky inning and gave up a grand slam. OK. What does this tell us?

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 6, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't give up grand slam home runs

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 6, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Cubs paid more for Harden than the Phillies did for Blanton

Somehow the Phillies have been vindicated.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 6, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That’s all I have to say about tonight and this Angels series. I don’t like the Sox, but I can deal with them, as Evan, Kazmir, Upton, and of course, Shields.

Now with 100% more Canuck.

by Blicks on Oct 6, 2008 10:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+100000

Except for the dealing with the sox part.

We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis

by #14fan on Oct 6, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now Just need Boston to lose in the ALCS

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Oct 6, 2008 10:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hold on.

No baseball till Thursday?! No more tripleheaders?? Crap.

by whiteshoes40 on Oct 6, 2008 10:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This will sound like I care, which I don't

But the last two times the AL West sent a rep to the World Series was 2002 (the Angels)…and 1991 (the Twins!)

Every other division has been represented at least twice in the Series this decade.

I am thrilled that the Angels lost but never to the point where I actually cheered for the Red Sox. Thankfully I won’t have to face that dilemma next round.

As intriguing as LA and Boston sounds with several subplots as side dishes, do we really need another LA-Boston anything? Or any championship game/round involving Boston?

Give me Philly and Tampa and who cares if no one watches. Atlanta and Minnesota weren’t supposed to serve up a classic in ‘91 but that’s exactly what happened.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 6, 2008 11:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome point...

the fact is the Rays would be the best team to see go for a WS ring to cap an amazing season, so the fuck what if Boston isnt’ in it?!?

I don’t care either way between LAD and PHI, although Cole Hamels facing Ecan Longoria would be pretty sweet.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Oct 6, 2008 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For my money...

…and purely from a “baseball fan” standpoint… that ’91 WS is still the best I have ever seen.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Oct 7, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

K-Rod wants to CRY (Angels site mlb.com)

"Once again, we fell short," said closer Francisco Rodriguez, about to embark on free agency and sensing this might have been his final game with the organization that brought him off the streets of Caracas, Venezuela, and made him rich and famous. "It’s really disappointing. I’m about to cry. I don’t know what to say, what to think, what to do."

May the Angels suffer one more agonizing defeat in Boston and may K-Rod accidentally get in the way of a 120 mph line drive off David Ortiz's bat

by Trainman on Oct 6, 2008 11:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

With Anaheim and the Chi Sox gone...

…I have no problem with any of the remaining teams.

I could make a case for each:

Boston: In my eyes currently have the best front office in the game, and it’s nice to see that rewarded

Philly: Who doesn’t love their offense? Charlie Manual is that crazy drunk uncle you always wanted

LA Dodgers: The Manny factor is the story here. Also, it’d be nice for all the arrogant stat boys to have to acknowledge that the GMs of two of the last four world series winners are Colletti and Williams. I bet some would still credit DePo though!

Tampa Bay: World Championships won by Tampa Bay: 1 ; World Championships won by San Francisco Giants: 0.

Meh, thank pucking God it’s hockey season!

by Pucking Insane on Oct 6, 2008 11:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You are aware that it was DePo

who signed Lowe, no? So, yes, DePo still deserves some credit for the Dodgers. And Colletti has relied a lot on the Dodgers farm which was already excellent before he got there: he doesn’t get Manny and Blake without trading away the prospects produced by the farm, Billingsley has been outstanding, etc,

Not to say Colletti hasn’t made good moves, he has, Kuroda, Saito, but he also has made some horrendous moves like Pierre.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 7, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pierre, jones, schmidt, kent, garciaparra

how much payroll is that for pretty much zero postseason performance?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 7, 2008 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“After the 2005 season, Kent signed an extension that would take him to the 2008 season”

depo was fired in october 2005.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 7, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As someone that lives in LA

I am as happy as anyone that the slegnA were knocked out of the playoffs. I don’t have to hear anymore about “the best team in baseball” and how they are so well managed and use their agressiveness and small ball run-manufacturing to win games that other teams would lose.

That being said, I have to take issue with some of what you wrote Blez. As a fellow A’s Fan, I think you would know better then to make a comment like “their great regular season means nothing when all is said and done because they ultimately only got two more home games than the A’s did”. This is the same sort of crappy logic I had to listen to Angels fans spout at me when the A’s were knocked out in the first round of the playoffs. This is just not true, making the playoffs is an admirable acheivement whether or not you go on to “win it all” or not. How many times have I heard you and other front page writers talk about how it is such a great achievement that the A’s have been able to stay competitive for so many years, even if they did not win the big one.

So, lets enjoy the fact that the Angels worship at the altar of over-aggressive baserunning and run-manufacturing finally bit them in the a** multiple times this postseason. Lets be happy they will not be winning a World Series this season and that they may be losing many good players. But lets not sink to their level and claim that their season is meaningless because they lost in the first round. We of all teams should know better.

by AsFanInLA on Oct 7, 2008 12:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Very well said.

You have to tip your hat to the teams that made the play-offs, no doubt.

My utter disdain for Boston is/was the reason I wanted the Angels to win … I hate the Angels as well, but the thought of Boston winning another title (which could very well happen) scares me to death.
Please, please, please Tampa Bay … BEAT BOSTON!!!

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Oct 7, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I would rather my morning be ruined by a first-round exit than look at those final standings one more time.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 7, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll admit it, I'm happy the Angels lost

It brought a smile to my face and everything.

But the moment’s passed. Time for the A’s to get their act together and build a team that will win some more ballgames in 2009. This sub-.500 crap has gone on long enough.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Oct 7, 2008 1:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 7, 2008 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh it sucks,

but it could be worse… we could be Baltimore fans.

by buddahead9 on Oct 7, 2008 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Teixiera Trade

If the Angels can’t keep Teixiera, then suddenly that trade makes them a worse team next year.

Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.

by Threepwood XX on Oct 7, 2008 2:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gee, ya think?

I thought that trade was stupid at the time… and my opinion on it hasn’t changed.

Maybe Teixeira won them one extra postseason game. Whoop-de-frickin-doo.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 7, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope the Angels re-sign him

I’d like to see them blow a big chunk of their resources on a first baseman instead of something they really need.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 8, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone think the Angels were just unlucky?

Lackey and Willits were complaining and saying how they were clearly the better team. That’ll help them beat Boston next year . . .

it is not possible to strategize while the ball is coming towards you

by eastcoasta'sfan on Oct 7, 2008 5:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

they got beaten 3 games to 1

so they clearly were NOT the better team….unless they’re referring to the Bizarro World

by OaklandSi on Oct 7, 2008 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm not sure how they can say that ..

especially when Boston won the first two games in Anaheim! The guy who really surprised me (in a bad way) was Kendrick. He’s a good hitter – definitely the best part of his game — and he completely wilted under the pressure. Horrible job.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Oct 7, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish there were a way for both Boston and LAA to have lost

Oh well – I’ll be cheering when the Rays own the Red Sox in the ALCS!

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Oct 7, 2008 5:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who? Oh, the Angels? You mean those losers who got sent home last night?

Yeah, nobody cares about them anymore.

NEXT!

I blame Englishmajor.

by McFood on Oct 7, 2008 7:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that both Chicago teams are out ...

"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08

by doctorK on Oct 7, 2008 7:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, you can't tell me

that this doesn’t hurt, just a little.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 7, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The posting on Bleed Cubbie Blue said it all

The one where Al said, basically, nothing.

Of course, that doesn’t prevent me from executing a tired Fark cliche in a most cruel fashion.

"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08

by doctorK on Oct 7, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just cried.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 7, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lovely morning,

that dawn Angel free! Hope the boys from Anaheim had a lovely flight home last night.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Oct 7, 2008 8:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah that guy pena

he really can play, eh? i understand that his development has taken quite a while, but try to remember stories like his when you’re trashing young A’s who aren’t making an immediate adjustment to the big leagues.

by jlanning17 on Oct 7, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

couldnt be happier to see the angels out and lackey crying.

look, i know where lackey is coming from. its the same whine i had when we lost to the twins in 2002 and to boston in 2003. bottom line is that you NEED to finish games and series, neither of which the angels did over the last week. lackey needs to realize that boston earned the series having gone through lackey twice and giving the k-rod the L in game two.

now, time to root for america’s underdog, the rays.

by put em in a body bag johnny on Oct 7, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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