Open Game Thread: Playoffs - Day 5
How can you not love the month of October? It's Halloween-time (my favorite holiday), the unbearably hot California summer is finally showing signs of letting up, all three major American sports return to prime-time television, the Red Sox are once again dominating the Angels in the post-season and the Cubs are doing their best to make sure that the next 100 years follow in the path of the last 100 years! It's glorious I say!
Today is chock full of post-season baseball, as all but one of the division series' (the one that ended last night) will be on-display. In the first action of the day (10:00am PDT), the Phillies and Brewers square off one more time at Miller Park after the Crew staved off elimination last night with an inspired 4-1 win. The Phils will be going with former Athletic Bazooka/Joe "Cupcakes" Blanton, while the Brew Crew will counter with the most grizzly of grizzled vets, Jeff Suppan. I'm rooting Brew Crew all the way here. I like their style and several of their players particularly - I'm constantly dreaming up scenarios where Beane trades for JJ Hardy this winter!
In matinee action (1:00pm PDT), everyone's favorite Tampa Bay Rays look for the kill in Chicago's south side as they send Matt Garza to the mound to counter fellow-green-thumbed youngster John Danks. While I always try to wish Swisher the best, I despise Ozzie Guillen (and Orlando Cabrera) and the Rays are just so cute and lovable!
Then in the night-cap (4:07pm PDT), the BoSox will look for the K-O at home at Fenway against the hated Angels. I know it's wrong of me to root for one of the "big, bad, free-spending Evil Empire wolves" of the game that always come into the Coliseum once or twice a year and make it seem like Fenway west, but I honestly can't stand the Angels. Post-season stud Josh Beckett, still recovering from a strained side muscle, will toe the rubber for the Sox while Joe "Colonel" Saunders goes for the Halos.
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Soup v. Cupcakes will be fun.
Lots of runs scored and lots of bullpen usage.
Fenway East? I think you mean Fenway West.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
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Corrected - it's f***king early.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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White Sox are on the southside
(Cubs are northside)
by OaklandSi on
Oct 5, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
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Corrected - it's f***king early.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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Is Leroy Brown starting?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Oct 5, 2008 10:11 AM PDT
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Mmmm....baseball for breakfast....
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on
Oct 5, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
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Just add a little salt.
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by pam5981 on
Oct 5, 2008 10:56 AM PDT
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what time does the game in Milwaukee actually start?
I turned on 1050 AM but all they have right now is football.
I can put on mlb.com radio, but prefer the local radio it it’s on.
Just made my omelet and coffee…mmmm…
by OaklandSi on
Oct 5, 2008 10:15 AM PDT
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It's on right now.
Phils up 1-0 with HR from Rollins.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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It's on now
Rollins hit a lead off home run and there’s a runner on 1st with one out
May the Angels suffer one more agonizing defeat in Boston and may K-Rod accidentally get in the way of a 120 mph line drive off David Ortiz's bat
by Trainman on
Oct 5, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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It's on now.
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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I tuned in on MLB.com audio
just after Rollins’ HR.
Strange, they were advertising on the radio last night that they’d carry all three games today…not so, at least not for the first game.
by OaklandSi on
Oct 5, 2008 10:28 AM PDT
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How'd the first run score?
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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Jimmy Rollins leadoff HR.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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Was it a grand slam?
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by Nico on
Oct 5, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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Or just a solo lead-off HR?
Where’s Dick Stockton when you need him? (Answer: It’s a trick question – you never need Dick Stockton.)
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by Nico on
Oct 5, 2008 10:18 AM PDT
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Ah. Was anyone on base?
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by Nico on
Oct 5, 2008 10:30 AM PDT
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mmmm grand slam
[drives to denny’s]
by oakinboston on
Oct 5, 2008 10:25 AM PDT
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Bottom of 1st now after DP
May the Angels suffer one more agonizing defeat in Boston and may K-Rod accidentally get in the way of a 120 mph line drive off David Ortiz's bat
by Trainman on
Oct 5, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
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Cupcakes!
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on
Oct 5, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
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Jeff Suppan is horrible.
Please remove him.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 10:38 AM PDT
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They must want to lose because he is almost automatic
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by Trainman on
Oct 5, 2008 10:41 AM PDT
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I'd say he's more compulsively mediocre
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by Nico on
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Could he be
Automatically compulsive
May the Angels suffer one more agonizing defeat in Boston and may K-Rod accidentally get in the way of a 120 mph line drive off David Ortiz's bat
by Trainman on
Oct 5, 2008 10:55 AM PDT
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Joe tries to eat baseball. Suppan balances baseball on back.

by whiteshoes40 on
Oct 5, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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I hope the Brewers win. I want a Game 5.
by whiteshoes40 on
Oct 5, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
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Yes
Game 5’s are good
except where the Angels are concerned where Game 3 sound like a good way to finish the series.
May the Angels suffer one more agonizing defeat in Boston and may K-Rod accidentally get in the way of a 120 mph line drive off David Ortiz's bat
by Trainman on
Oct 5, 2008 10:56 AM PDT
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Hope a little harder.
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by pam5981 on
Oct 5, 2008 11:04 AM PDT
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Jeff Suppan is a worthless POS.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
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Gasoline
I laughed when they said he was one pitch away from getting out of it.
Had he done so, then it would have only delayed the implosion.
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by Trainman on
Oct 5, 2008 11:09 AM PDT
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Yovani Gallardo just owned Suppan
1-2-3 inning, something Suppan didn’t even have one of today.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 11:20 AM PDT
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I'm ready for the Rays.
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
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It's just the 4th?
Sigh.
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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at least, the Dolphins are entertaining this morning
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by FoolshGame22 on
Oct 5, 2008 11:24 AM PDT
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I'm stuck with the Chiefs.
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
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Filly Cupcakes!
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
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Those are CUTE.
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by pam5981 on
Oct 5, 2008 11:28 AM PDT
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What happened?
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 11:44 AM PDT
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I love Joe Blanton
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
by miggyk2 on
Oct 5, 2008 11:37 AM PDT
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He's owning the Brewers
Me no like that.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
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I want to see CC throw again, but it is always nice to see Big Joe pitching well
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
by miggyk2 on
Oct 5, 2008 11:42 AM PDT
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Suppan: Guaranteed $25 million over the next two seasons.
What an albatross contract!
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 11:46 AM PDT
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Brewers need to eat some salary and trade him.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 12:02 PM PDT
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He was justified as a guy who would "pitch as well as Zito for a fraction of the cost"
He’s done that, I must say.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 12:03 PM PDT
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WOW!!
WOW!!
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 11:48 AM PDT
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this is an albatross contract too
2009: $11.5 million, 2010: $12 million, 2011: $12.5 million club option w/$3 million buyout, 2012: Free Agent
by Asfan4ever723 on
Oct 5, 2008 11:49 AM PDT
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Survey says?
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
by miggyk2 on
Oct 5, 2008 11:50 AM PDT
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Lemme guess....
He used to play 3rd base…
He’s not Mexican enough…
He’s too blunt in interviews…
Am I getting closer…?
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by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
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Just turned on the game. Doesn't look to good right now
by likeiwouldtellyou on
Oct 5, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
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looking good for Blanton
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by FoolshGame22 on
Oct 5, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
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Jason Kendall is so unclutch.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
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Pretty sure Parra or Gallardo would have been my choice to start this game
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
by miggyk2 on
Oct 5, 2008 12:26 PM PDT
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Most of Brew Crew Ball wanted Gallardo.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
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Daric Sveum's moves just aren't working out.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Oct 5, 2008 12:34 PM PDT
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I would hate for all four divisional series to end today.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
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*three, since Cubbies ended yesterday.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
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Braun = clutch.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 12:42 PM PDT
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I don't know about that, but
Braun = good. Me wants. :-(
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Oct 5, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
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Crew down to their last 2 outs
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
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Was she just beating his crotch?
With a thunderstick??
"It's a PIVOTAL series! There's only ONE OcTOber! And there's LOTS of unsold AD TIME that we have to FILL with my inNANE bullSHIT!" -Nick 10/06/07
by afansnotes on
Oct 5, 2008 1:00 PM PDT
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Kendall in huge situation
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 1:01 PM PDT
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Awwww Poor Kendall and Brewers. But congrats to the Phillies!
by likeiwouldtellyou on
Oct 5, 2008 1:02 PM PDT
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I hope Jeff Suppan is gone next year
This loss is all his.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
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I am probably picking Phillies over Dodgers since I am a part time Giants fan
by likeiwouldtellyou on
Oct 5, 2008 1:02 PM PDT
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Replace probably with definitely for me
And I can’t stand the Gnats.
"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08
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Oct 5, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
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congrats to the Phillies
in particular, Blanton, Rollins and Burrell….and I salute the Brewers too. They have nothing to be ashamed of.
by OaklandSi on
Oct 5, 2008 1:02 PM PDT
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Agreed
I would prefer to see Phillies over Dodgers, so I want a Rays-Phillies WS now.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
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Except for fighting each other in the dugout and calling each other out for lack of effort...
and for firing their manager in the last few weeks of the season that guided the team to contention for most of the year…but yeah, they’re a good, pretty young team. Good future.
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by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 1:05 PM PDT
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I was only referring to their getting into the postseason
and not totally stinking it up in the NLDS
by OaklandSi on
Oct 5, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
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I was referring to their off and on the field escapades of the past few months, but i agree with you:
their performance all year was pretty solid and they’ve got a nice future ahead.
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by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
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Ned Yost "threw away victories" with his mismanagement
On several occasions. You have two of the best pitchers in the game in CC/Sheets, top notch players in Braun and Fielder, and other solid contributors in Hardy, Hart, Bush, Parra, etc. Way too much talent not to make the playoffs.
And, the Brewers were several games back when Yost was fired.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
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I don't understand champagne showers after
winning in the first round.
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
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What if your team had gotten eliminated in the 1st round for 4 straight seasons...
and then finally broke through a year or so later (a la the 2006 A’s). I think the “getting the monkey off your back” is worth the celebration.
But if the Red Sox do it after (hopefully) eliminating the angels? Not so warranted…
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by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
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No.
Do it after the win means something.
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 1:13 PM PDT
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So you didn't think it was appropriate for Swish and Company to celebrate in 2006?
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by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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Did I enjoy watching it? Yes.
Did I think it was necessary? Not really.
I just think the celebration should be done after the LCS. They don’t make fancy “WINNERS!” shirts when you win in the LDS.
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
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I don't think it's ever necessary until a World Series is won.
But these guys play 162 games just to get to the Division Series and I’d just as well cut them slack for taking some time to celebrate each and every step along the way to the Series.
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by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
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we were waiting in the stands for them
to come back out on the field…so disappointed that they didn’t
by OaklandSi on
Oct 5, 2008 1:56 PM PDT
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But if you were in a clubhouse with Sweeney you'd push for a champagne shower after a loss in August.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on
Oct 5, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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Maybe a maple syrup shower.
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
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"Maybe" maple syrup? Stop waffling.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on
Oct 5, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
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Said just 30 mins.
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by pam5981 on
Oct 5, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
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The end is near.
We’re getting Frank TV ads on AN now.
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It figures that Country Joe gets it done for Phillies
All the others guys we traded who are considered to be more talented, ended up on teams who flamed out, there is some poetic justice here.
Still begrudging his sucktitude this season with the A’s, but I’m happy for Joe.
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Oct 5, 2008 1:17 PM PDT
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Swisher's team hasn't flamed out yet.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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Not yet
One minor technicality that will be remedied shortly as soon as the weather coorperates
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Oct 5, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
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Swish has also been benched
Even if WhiteSox wins a game or 2, I doubt anyone would look at Swisher trade being a factor
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I'm very happy for Cupcakes
This was his first postseason start, and he threw a great game. I’ve never had any reason to dislike him personally, even when he’s been in slumps. I hope the Phils keep going.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
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I want there to be baseball tomorrow.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
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There isn't?
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If both the Rays and Red Sux win.
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Oct 5, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
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I might actually root for Slegna to win
so there actually is a game tomorrow.
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Oct 5, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
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I need a day game tomorrow.
I didn’t get fired just to sit at home the first day and NOT watch baseball.
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
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I have really bad congestion
Baseball and chicken soup cheer me up.
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Oct 5, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
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I'm sorry you got fired :(
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by Taj Adib on
Oct 5, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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You got fired?
I haven’t been on the game threads in ages, so if you gave the details before, I’m sorry I missed it.
Sorry that happened to you. I know how much that sucks.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
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Yeah, Friday.
We did contract work and lost a major contract.
Strangely, I wasn’t upset about it, even though I loved my job most of the time.
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by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
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You should go apply at that car wash
that Sweeney was sighted at.
j/k, j/k.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 1:50 PM PDT
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I thought about it.
But I don’t like washing MY car.
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who would have guessed that of all the a’s traded over the last year, swisher, haren, harden, gaudin, blanton…
blanton would be the guy helping his team the most in the playoffs.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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Oct 5, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
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well...
unlike Macha oops Geren, the Phillie’s manager took Blanton out at first sign of a meltdown.
by MobiusKlein on
Oct 5, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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And the offense actually existed.
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that too
but certainly feels like many a game slipped away when the relief was sent in a batter or two too late.
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Oct 5, 2008 1:50 PM PDT
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Or the relief consisted of Alan Embree.
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Oct 5, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
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That's not Geren's fault
Blame Billy for that.
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Oct 5, 2008 1:53 PM PDT
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what are we blaming beane for?
the a’s bullpen is filthy, i’m sure most teams would love to swap relief pitchers.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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Oct 5, 2008 1:55 PM PDT
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embree used to be good too...
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
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embree is still not that terrible
if embree is your bullpen’s scapegoat for ignorant fans, that’s a pretty good situation to be in.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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Oct 5, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
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hey, i'm not ignorant!
I know I’m using him as a scapegoat!
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Oct 5, 2008 2:09 PM PDT
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I'm not saying the A's relief was bad
I’m just saying that Embree was at times used inappropriately, which falls on Geren.
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it goes beyond that
whether it was good luck or clutchness, but after being mediocre in both leagues this year, today he had 0 bb and 7ks.
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well, also in the NL pitchers often get taken out quicker
for pinch hitters, etc.
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Let's Go A's
Oops, I mean rAys
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swisher
got on base 3 of 5 times last game, so ozzie sits him back down.
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Ozzie is a bozo.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
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A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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I mean it's not just some dumb issue Ozzie has with Swish
He’s just generally an idiot. It’s nothing personal.
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i know, it was just a joke
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Rays/Phillies is going to be an odd world series
but i guess any series with the Rays is going to be odd. I still haven’t quite realized that they are an actual baseball team.
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Believe It!
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
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well they play games at Disneyworld from time to time
can’t they be a fairytale?
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wow Garza only threw 6 pitches in the first...no wonder they don't play swish
he would slow down their game
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ozzie wants to get the offseason started ASAP
maybe he has a big santeria animal sacrifice scheduled for later this evening…
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stop stranding guys on 3rd rays
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lets go pears
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this section of the Rays lineup makes all the A's look like bonafide sluggers
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It's arguable that none of the current A's are bonafide sluggers
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ok well thats true. Cust is a slugger no doubt...but I mean when you think of power hitting teams
you don’t think of the A’s
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shit, did we just trade jack cust?
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Cust can bop,
but i wouldn’t say he is feared, and a bonafide slugger needs to scare the oppostion
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did you poll all AL pitchers or something? “who do you fear?”
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I just don't get all that excited about the guy.
When big Frank would come up, I would take notice. Not to mention two years of playing time in the bigs, that is hardly a track record.
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...
i’m bailing out of this one while i still have a few brain cells left.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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that's what the carbona will do
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lol are you sure
i’d take navarro/bartlett/iwamura on the A’s
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this year i would have too...
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I'd take their SS, 2B, and 3B.
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i'd take their record
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Hahahahahahaha
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Nice catch there, AssJack
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I remember that clutch double in the 9th, BJ
Another one would be nice.
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Awwww, 2 pitch out.
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access denied
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Hmm...Looks like Shakespeare was right -
fowl is fair.
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OT: Joe Saunders is fugly.
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so is lackey
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griffey was pivotal to their success
who knew 3 home runs from a lousy defensive corner outfielder could make such a big difference…
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Probably the same people who don't fully appreciate
that Ozzie Guillen is “fiesty” and therefore brilliant.
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Funny thing is, Danny Richar was less pivotal.
It was such an insignificant trade.
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i wonder if AJ’s parents are also douchebags… is that a genetic thing?
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Douchebaggery and Asshattishness: Nature or Nurture?
Don't blame me, I voted for Bill King.
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oh carl, you can do better
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Love Garza's arm
He has a chance to be really good.
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garza = gallagher?
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Maybe if Gallagher threw more strikes.
A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.
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Garza is 24 with 2 seasons under his belt
and Gallagher is 22 with 1 season under his belt – they’re very comparable. I like Garza’s curve a lot better at the moment; personally I would like to see Gallagher focus on developing a good slider and not throw the big curve so much.
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My kid knows his younger brother.
His brother also pitches. He’s injured a lot, which can only mean that the A’s will end up drafting him.
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then lets trade gallagher
for a delmon young type hitter
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and crowd the outfield even more
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I really dislike AssJack a very large amount
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Apparently he is finally starting to play some "real baseball" now
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who actually likes him?
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The Devil had some good things to say
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thats a first for Ozzie
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Steve Perry, right?
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i was just looking at FAs
and I realized that we could probably sign Mulder this offseason, lol. It’s too bad he’s pretty much done, because otherwise i wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on him.
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and crowd the rotation even more
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I'd take a flyer on him
I just wouldn’t take Mulder himself. I like flyers, though – sometimes they can be quite informative.
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I myself prefer radio flyers....
you can schlep stuff around with one of those.
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i'd want P.F. Flyers
apparently you can outrun really really big dogs. you could probably also give them to Jack Cust, and he would be able to get to some fly balls outside of a 5 meter radius
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You're killing me Smalls.
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what would be in this flyer about mulder?
better yet, what would be in a flyer about mark pryor?
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How to use
ether properly…..Oh wait, wrong Prior.
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eh, pryor prior...only a senators difference
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It's really sad how far the Big Three have fallen
And its mostly injuries. I still have a soft spot for all 3.
Mulder will probably sign a minor league deal with someone this offseason or retire (probably the latter)
Huddy will hopefully come back after TJ surgery in ’09 and kick ass.
Zito will be Zito.
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Zito being Zito....
That means cashing rather large checks.
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Barry Zito; The A's Number One Giants Killer.
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oh so thats why we trade away all our decent players?
so they can transform into suckiness and allow us to beat them?
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Zito? Decent player?
Haven’t heard those words strung together in quite some time.
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He's been average since All Star Break.
Just not pitching to contract.
And, if you look at W-L record, his is better than Greg Smith’s. That’s a silver lining if there ever was one.
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I would think that "average" is a bit of a stretch
at this point. He’s been abysmal, and there’s no reason to think he’s going to be any better. Smith’s losses can be attributed to a lack of run support. Smith was unlucky, Zito was just plain bad.
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Note I said post-ASB
6-5, 4.59 ERA, 82.1 IP, a .232 BAA is pretty average.
And, Zito’s run support, although better than Smith, is still in the bottom 10 among qualified starters in MLB (Smith: 2.88, Zito: 4.05)
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We have beat Huddy and Zito this year...but...
that Zito contract will stop the Giants from sniffing playoff contention for a while. Unless he turns into the ace his contract warrants. That and the Rowand contract have strapped a LOT of the Giants finances, and Rowand doesn’t supply the adequate power for the Giants.
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Barry Zito: Number One Giants Killer
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My son decides that he wants to practice
baseball while the playoffs are on. Little dude wears me out sometimes. Oh well, it was fun!
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So what's the NL
consensus on AN? Phillies or Dodgers? I’m conflicted on pulling for the Dodgers. I’m already sick of the inevitable Gibson retro shots, but on the other hand, I’m ecstatic at the thought of more misery being inflicted on Giants fans.
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I want Phillies.
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I've been rooting for Phillies-Rays and so far so goodish
(but I predicted Dodgers-Red Sox).
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wonder which one Selig is rooting for?
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
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At this point,
it has to RS vs Dodgers. Until last night it would have been Cubs vs Anybody.
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I assumed Bud was rooting for the Brewers
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
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I'll agree with your original prediction
I don’t have any sense that the Red Sox are one of the greatest teams of all time, but three World Series victories in five years would tend to argue otherwise.
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they'd have to beat manny...
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Hurry up.
Let’s get to the White Sox bullpen.
They’re a show!
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Maddon has balls
leaving Garza in there after he gives up 4 runs.
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Speaking of balls... :-(
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why.the.eff.do.you.walk.griffey?
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I'm honestly surprised Garza is still in there.
Nice play by Longoria!
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My question: Why throw hittable strikes
to batters who routinely swing at balls and never walk?
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The Rays have these arms just sitting in the pen.
Use them. NOW.
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Maddon knows he doesn't HAVE to win this game
and he’d rather have those relievers ready to go 2 tomorrow if needed. Getting 6 out of Garza makes sense to me.
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I thought so initially
but after Anderson gets on 2nd, you bring someone in.
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The Rays are going down like flies
:-(
The ALCS won’t be complete without the Rays.
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Oops...scratch that...BJ!!!!!
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Pena on first with Longoria coming up
Let’s go Longoria!
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Single makes this a 1 run game.
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BOOOO!
That ump is loving that outside corner. Eff that.
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Dotel California, serving it up like the good old days!
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
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He got lucky on that one though!
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
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More "Maddon's playing to stay in the game, not win it"
Trever Miller?
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What do you want, for Maddon to put in Balfour?
It’s bad managing to pitch your best guys every day no matter what as if you’re desperate – especially when you’re not!
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by Nico on
Oct 5, 2008 4:16 PM PDT
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Anyone but Trever Miller
Not in a 2 run game.
Trever is arguably the Rays’ worst non-starter on the playoff roster.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 4:18 PM PDT
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He's a LOOGY and he was brought into face one lefty,
so at least he was used situationally.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Oct 5, 2008 4:21 PM PDT
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Induces the DP YES!]
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
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I hope Bobby Jenks brought his D game.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
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One more inning. LET'S GO RAYS.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 4:40 PM PDT
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Do something BJ.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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Beckett walks in a run
asshole
"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08
by doctorK on
Oct 5, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
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Beckett is sucking and the White Sox managed a win. So far not so good lol
by drmmerchk on
Oct 5, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
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Game over :-(
White Sawx win 5-3.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
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Carlos Pena's game ending K
looked almost as bad as Soriano’s game ending K from yesterday.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 4:50 PM PDT
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As much as I hate the slegnA, I wouldn't be heartbroken if the Bloody Sawx lose tonight
"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08
by doctorK on
Oct 5, 2008 4:51 PM PDT
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I enjoy wathcing the Massholes seeing their precious team lose
"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08
by doctorK on
Oct 5, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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No F**ing way
Those bastards need no life at all.
May the Angels suffer one more agonizing defeat in Boston and may K-Rod accidentally get in the way of a 120 mph line drive off David Ortiz's bat
by Trainman on
Oct 5, 2008 4:53 PM PDT
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The more the Red Sawx play, the more it helps the Rays.
Especially if the Sawx/Slegna play all 5, and the Sawx dont’ have time to reset their rotation.
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by Blicks on
Oct 5, 2008 5:02 PM PDT
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Loss at home! WOO!
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on
Oct 5, 2008 5:00 PM PDT
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I would love to see the Sox sweep the Slegna
but, on the other hand, it would be hi-fucking-larious to see the Red Sox blow a 2-0 series lead, too.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on
Oct 5, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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If only games 3 and 4 were a double-header
Then both teams would probably lose.
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by Nico on
Oct 5, 2008 4:53 PM PDT
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Yeah, that's always been the sweet thing about this series
Somebody we despise is going to lose. I think we’ve engaged in some self-discovery and realized that we despise Slegna just a little bit more.
by Soaker on
Oct 5, 2008 4:53 PM PDT
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You can learn so many valuable life-lessons from baseball, can't you?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on
Oct 5, 2008 4:56 PM PDT
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Like the value of learning how to choose the lesser of two evils
Which is all we have to look forward to in this series.
"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08
by doctorK on
Oct 5, 2008 4:58 PM PDT
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Lesser of two evils, or greater of two schadenfreudes?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on
Oct 5, 2008 5:01 PM PDT
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