A's Decline Embree
by Syphon on Oct 31, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
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The Oakland A's announced on Friday that they had declined the 2009 option on veteran left-hander Alan Embree.
"In an unsurprising move, the Oakland A's declined their 2009 option on left-handed reliever Alan Embree. Embree went 2-5 with a 4.96 ERA in 70 appearances last season for Oakland, his second year with the A's. Oakland has filled the veteran's 40-man roster spot with infielder Joe Dillon, who had been cut by the Milwaukee Brewers earlier in the week."
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Not a big surprise
The question now becomes whether they offer him arbitration, and I see no real reason not to since he’s likely to make more on the market than an arbiter would award.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 31, 2008 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The offer is required for a comp pick still, right?
Assuming he’s a Type B?
by mikev on Oct 31, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we've cleared that up
All players must be offered arbitration to return draft pick compensation.
He will be a Type B. tigersthoughts.blogspot.com has full estimated Elias rankings for all players up now.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 31, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It still doesn't make much sense to me that you can decline an option and still offer arbitration
But, at this point, I say they may as well offer the arbitration and hope Embree declines then signs on elsewhere.
by thejd44 on Oct 31, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why... one is part of the CBA, the other is part of the player's contract
They’re two different processes.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Dillon?
The boy’s got some good minor league numbers recently (after starting his career out slow), and he can play some third base. Does Billy intend him to be a backup option in case Chavez isn’t ready to go? What does that mean for Baisley?
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Oct 31, 2008 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess AAA roster filler
and an injury replacement option.
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by DMOAS on Oct 31, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope Beane didn't sign a 33-year-old career minor league with the intention of relying on him
by thejd44 on Oct 31, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and relying on Chavez is better because?
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Oct 31, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chavez is 75% healthy, he'll be
7x better than Dillon if he’s 100% healthy?
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by Nico on Oct 31, 2008 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Dillon is this year's Brooks Conrad
…yay?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Oct 31, 2008 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh crap
You’re right. This means when Dillon hits .340 in spring training all the people who don’t know better will be demanding he gets 6 starting jobs.
by thejd44 on Oct 31, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we shuld put him at ss bocro suxxxxxx!
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Nov 1, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay, arrogance!
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Nov 2, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you accusing of arrogance--
the fans who don’t know better, or thejd?
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by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The latter.
Condescending probably would have been a better word.
The attitude towards people around here who offer opinions that contradict the statistical braintrust gets really tired, even if those opinions are in fact dubious.
There are better example’s than thejd’s post, anyway, so in retrospect, I should have pointed it out another time.
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by jeepers on Nov 2, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It has been my experience that most people who complain about arrogance or condescension
are really complaining about the fact that they cannot refute someone’s arguments in fair debate. It’s a time honored tactic of anti-intellectual “populists.”
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by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So let me get this straight
your argument is that people who complain about arrogance or condescension are just jealous? There’s nothing wrong with being right, but you can be right without being an ass (speaking generally, not towards anything above). It’s been my experience that most people who are arrogant or condescending may be right some of the time but have egos too big to ever admit they’re wrong when they are and generally follow with a jealousy response.
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by DMOAS on Nov 2, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically, yes, that is my position
I’d say, throwing myself out of the equation here, that I disagree with comments characterizing another person’s opinion as “arrogant” at least 80% of the time.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My position is that people
who complain about arrogance or condescension just find arrogance or condescension both irritating and also entirely unnecessary. My current sample size of one supports this theory. Cindi remains “undecided”.
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by Nico on Nov 2, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
{targets Cindi for robocalls}
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 3, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you the one who woke me at 3 AM last night to vote for McBama?
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 3, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
transmission must have been garbled
I’ve been hired by McDonald’s to create a groundswell of astroturf support to bring the McRib back.
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 3, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRibwich!
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 4, 2008 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they actually hired John Updike to write an early promotional campaign
The Ribwiches of Eastwick
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 4, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Clint Eastwood to direct
the Ribwiches of Madison County
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 4, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the Tracy-Hepburn classic
Adam’s Ribwich
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 4, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JK Rowling's Companion book
Ribwich Through the Ages
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 4, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
But I’m curious whether you’d consider that 80%, how often do you think the comment made was a little over the top or gone a little too far when making their point? I would characterize a lot of those commenters as being annoyed when they post, but a little too frequently respond without restraint.
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by DMOAS on Nov 2, 2008 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'll miss grandpa just because he was nice to me when I met him.
I don’t think I’m going to miss his pitching much.
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by #14fan on Oct 31, 2008 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good.
Remove the dead weight.
The Dirty Canuck of the now.
by Blicks on Oct 31, 2008 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so embree is more dead weight than joe dillon?
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by xbhaskarx on Oct 31, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More expensive, and plays a position which the A's have a surplus at.
The Dirty Canuck of the now.
by Blicks on Nov 1, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait. Ignore the surplus part. The A's have bench infielders.
Just that Embree’s expensive.
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by Blicks on Nov 1, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players with guaranteed contracts are, virtually by definition, more dead weight than players without them
Dillon can be cut loose at any time (cf Jay Marshall, Jeff Fiorentino, etc etc).
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by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't know him, but nice pictures!
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by #14fan on Oct 31, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that first photo, he looks strangely like John McCain.
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by Nico on Oct 31, 2008 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the first photo he looks like he's on pot
the last photo he looks like he’s on the pot.
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by DMOAS on Oct 31, 2008 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he looks more like he's
on THE pot. Strain
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Nov 1, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he even looks like brooks conrad
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Oct 31, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did he get his lips sutured together?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 31, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his face is so intense!
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Oct 31, 2008 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no wonder....on the wrong side of 30
and still trying to stick on a major league roster…
by OaklandSi on Nov 1, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
third photo
“I’m gonna sit here and hold my breath until someone hits the ball to me.”
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Oct 31, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprising they thought Embree couldn't be traded if his option were picked up, or
maybe the booty would have been less valuable than a sandwich.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 1, 2008 12:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Think we could have gotten a meatball sub for him?
by OldhamA on Nov 1, 2008 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends.
Footlong or six inch?
by VORP is too nerdy on Nov 1, 2008 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that Embree
wants to retire in Seattle. (He lives in southern Washington state, near Portland, OR.)
Not sure the Mariners would want him, though. Maybe with a discount.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Nov 1, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd read that he wanted to go to a contender
or if not, then to Seattle. Since he plans to play just one more year, I’d be surprised if he turned down an offer from a contender.
by OaklandSi on Nov 1, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you met the Mariners?
They’d sign the exhumed corpse of Pee Wee Reese.
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by Joey C. on Nov 1, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
..who finished first on the team in OPS
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 2, 2008 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dillon
Could end up being the right-handed hitting portion of a corner IF platoon with Hannahan/Barton.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Nov 1, 2008 3:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's a scary trio
for us and no one else
by chipper1001 on Nov 1, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't even fathom that DIllon would be the best right-handed infield platoon option
That would be a really, really bad sign.
by thejd44 on Nov 2, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On a Side Note: Foulke Files for free agency.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Nov 2, 2008 1:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what a coincidence, i declined on him about 3 months ago.
alaska A residing in colorado.
by ak_A on Nov 2, 2008 10:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Declining Embree is unfortunately all too easy
This year, for the most part, his declension was only appropriate in the accusative case.
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 2, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
When I think of Embree,
“declining” is a word that comes to mind rather quickly.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 2, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You may decline Embree, but who could decline a hearty bowl of Embree-Os?
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Nov 3, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Declining Embree
Nom. embree
Gen. embreetis
Dat. embreeti
Acc. embreetem
Abl. embreete
Example: Cum primum clavator domumcursum percussisset, gubernator Gerenus embreetem traxit.
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by Nick on Nov 2, 2008 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pompous ass
Cute, definitely firm, but still pompous. The rest of you is fine, though.
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by Nico on Nov 2, 2008 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pampas grass
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by iglew on Nov 3, 2008 3:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 3, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
embreetis?
Does that mean “A condition in which a manager is irrationally unable to resist giving high-leverage innings to over-the-hill relievers despite better available options”?
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by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it meant you were carrying a ginormous fetus
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 2, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i approve this latin based joke
just getting involved.
late.
BB should send scouts to watch cricket players.
by alea iacta est on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose you're also in favor of the A's signing more Latin free agents
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 4, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We had an option all this time??
Damn.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Nov 2, 2008 12:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty easy call.
The A’s will be a lot better off next year with Blevins in that role.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Nov 2, 2008 3:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
but what if Embree has an unhittable but statistically unsustainable 3 weeks in spring training?
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 2, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too late, Jeff Gray is having an unhittable but statistically unsustainable 3 weeks in the AFL
and he’s cheaper.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
from previous AFL
mcbeth, mitchell, robertson, etc were very good and we know how that turned out
at the very least gray if taken off the 40 man , has a decent chance of getting picked in the rule 5 like jared burton
or maybe a throw in addition in some deal
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 2, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yay, arrogance!
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by xbhaskarx on Nov 3, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
our outman, braden, etc
if they deided to have a 2nd lefty
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 2, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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