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Brewers to, ah ... ah, name, ah ... {chew, chew} Ken, ah, Macha, ah ... manager

Noon Pacific Time press conference scheduled by the Brewers to announce the hiring of former A's manager Ken Macha as the new Milwaukee skipper:

they will name Macha, 58, as the 16th skipper in club history.



I had forgotten (or never known) about this:

Macha passed on the Brewers' offer in October 2002 to remain in Oakland



Congrats to Ken for rejoining the ranks of the MLB managerial brotherhood. Here's hoping he never has to pull a Milton on CC.

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I feel sorry for Milwaukee

The Cubs and St. Louis now have an easier route to the division title.

Go Rays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beat the Inferior League

by Trainman on Oct 30, 2008 10:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It just so happens

that the International Hamburger Hall of Fame is located in Seymour, Wisconsin, reputed to be the birthplace of the modern hamburger. It’s just a couple of hours north of Milwaukee. I think Ken would be a fine celebrity spokesperson.

by Englishmajor on Oct 30, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hooray!

Congratulations, Macha. As the last remaining member of the Ken Macha Fan Club, I’m very happy for him.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2008 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2 members

I’ve hoping he would catch on somewhere, but I was afraid Kotsay and Melhuse burned any chances he has..

Think the brewers will go after Bradley now?

Ellis for President

by tosk on Oct 30, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you have a tontine?

Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This?

au contra ire

by JediLeroy on Oct 31, 2008 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Macha is great

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Oct 30, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he did a decent job too

Most of the complaints about his tactical decisions were pretty baseless. He was actually pretty good at that part of his job.

On the other hand, a baseball Manager is basically a middle manager, and when you’re in that position and have the support of neither those above you (in this case, Beane) nor those below you (the players) you really can’t survive. Hopefully he can avoid such a situation in Milwaukee. (Step 1: dump Kendall)

Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough

by andeux on Oct 30, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure but who'd take him?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 30, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, no ...

Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was one of the best defensive catchers in the game this year.

I think you can find takers.

The Dirty Canuck of the now.

by Blicks on Oct 30, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought his not having the support of Beane was curious.

But Kotsay and Kendall bear some blame in Macha’s problems with the players.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3

"And sometimes, when it seems like all hope is gone, Life tosses you a special gift of a baseball game" . 7/10/08 BaseBallGirl headline

by LongTimeFan on Oct 30, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

6th.

Kinda at least. I never understood the Macha hate. And I still have a soft spot for him bear hugging Milton. And I hated the cowardly way in which Kotsay et al backstabbed him.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Oct 30, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't understand that either when many of us were wondering why play him over Kielty.

The lack of communication with the players seems like a big issue though. Chavez saying that Macha liked him and tried to use him as a medium to communicate with other players is a flag for me.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 30, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did too.

After that I could never like Kotsay again.

by IM4Oakgal on Nov 1, 2008 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HIRE MACHA NOW!

"The Athletics at Fremont" is soooooooo bad

by ArakSOT on Oct 30, 2008 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

congrats, ken

 and good luck to you..

Ellis for President

by tosk on Oct 30, 2008 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FIRE MACHA NOW!!!!!

I’ve missed that …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Oct 30, 2008 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Wonder if Kendall is excited about this choice.

by HRH on Oct 30, 2008 10:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hell no

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Oct 30, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

I’m sure he liked the playing time but didn’t like having a manager who NEVER supports his players in disputes with the umpires.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 30, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this the guy

who managed the A’s to the ALCS IN 2006, and then fired?

Oh.

Congrats, Ken.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 30, 2008 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does it really matter who the manager is?

I mean the players will make the lineup anyway.

"You can have the alimony. But I want some pussy payments!" - Chris Rock

by oaktownmario on Oct 30, 2008 11:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, but doesn't the manager decide what the players should do?

that’s kind of important…

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 30, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that was the point

I believe oaktownmario’s comment was a subtle jab at Macha’s claim that the players determine the lineup by their performance. While he made this claim, he allowed Jason Kendall and an obviously unfit Jermaine Dye to play frequently while others who could have done more to help the team rotted on the bench.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 30, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

point taken. I'll be quiet.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 30, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry :-)

That was an easy trap to fall into!

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Oct 30, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disliked that about Macha

he’d say that on the radio show about “the players put themselves in the lineup” but that didn’t seem true to even the casual observer. I think it was all part of ‘what you tell the media, and what you really do’. The ‘Ken Macha Show’ had the most terribly predictable content I have ever listened to on radio….one game at a time, etc. It was all passive tense talk, and “the players make the decision..” was all part of the package.

Before he was manager, he was a happy-go-lucky guy. Ask him how he was doing, and he’d invariably answer, “I’m at the top of my game!!”.

Since he has a degree in engineering you’d think he’d be more articulate with the baseball talk, along the line of the Rays’ Madden. But nooooooo………

Officially awaiting the 2009 season.

by One won lost won on Oct 30, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ever talk to an engineer?

I know a few, nice smart guys….most seem to have some social issues deficiencys though.

Gas to Chicago- $23.87 A's/White Sox Tix- $28 Watching the A's whipping the Sox in July 05'- Priceless

by WiscoFan on Oct 30, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can it's true

And I started at the College of Engineering. Though not an engineer, I’ve worked in a couple of engineering depts. Just like most professions, the best are very good in every aspect of life. The not-as-good, well…still better than the general population at large as far as “social deficiencies”.

Officially awaiting the 2009 season.

by One won lost won on Oct 30, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

are there metrics

on the plus / minuses that skippers bring to a team? or, ahem, value over replacement?

this sprung to mind as tbs / fox would continually bang on about how great scoscia / darth torre are all through their playoff games. this annoyed me. maybe i just hate LA teams?

alright

BB should send scounts to watch cricket players.

by alea iacta est on Oct 30, 2008 11:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I look forward to seeing him on the top step of the dugout

The very picture of square-jawed resolve, Patton on the hill, Kirk on the bridge, Ahab on the Pequod, leading his men into battle.

I'm a street walkin cheetah with a heart full of napalm.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 30, 2008 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Patton?

Shit, he shoulda just slapped Harden for malingering.

Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yo

alaska A residing in colorado.

by ak_A on Oct 30, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahab ?

Shit, he shoulda just harpooned Blanton.

by green star oakland on Oct 30, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kirk?

Shit, he should just put Emil Brown in a red shirt.

by AsFanInLA on Oct 31, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why all the Macha hate?

I’ve never understood why Macha was fired in the first place. I mean next to Tony LaRussa he’s the most sucessful manager of the A’s in the last 35 years. I would think frickin’ Bobby Crosby not liking you would be a plus. Good luck to Ken and the Brewers.

by briandouglas on Oct 30, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't hate him...

…but I wouldn’t want him managing my team. I think his negatives outweight his positives and I don’t see that he does anything that makes one want to keep him. He’s not a strong tactician. He’s not a motivator. He didn’t have the support of his players.

Now it’s possible he learned someting in his experience with the A’s. Maybe he understands that you can’t tell your players you’re going to do one thing and then do just the opposite. Maybe he realizes he has to back his players in disputes with the umpires, even when he thinks the umpire may be right. If he wants to have the support of his players, these things are important. And if he doesn’t have the support of his players, he won’t last long.

If he’s going to manage the same way he did in Oakland, the Brewers won’t be happy with him. If he learned from his mistakes and changes some of his ways, the Brewers could have a decent manager.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 30, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope so

He’s also had two years to reflect on those four years in Oakland. I can’t imagine being an MLB manager for the first time being anything but a learning experience.

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 30, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good for him.

Congrats Ken.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 30, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd be happier if Seattle signed him.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 30, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Or Mike Scioscia had quit and the Angels got him.

That would be worth another 10 in their loss column

by Trainman on Oct 30, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scioscia is not a good manager

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Oct 30, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now

His Grit Above Replacement is through the roof… GARRRR!

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Oct 30, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you believe this?

His record of success in Anaheim says otherwise.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 31, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So does Macha's

Macha averaged a 92-70 record in his 4 years as Oakland’s manager.
Scioscia has averaged 89-73 in 9 years in Anaheim.

In both cases, that says way more about the talent they had to work with than it does about their abilities as managers. And anyone who thinks that those A’s teams would have averaged 100+ wins with Scioscia, or that those Angels teams would have been sub-.500 with Macha is just totally delusional.

Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough

by andeux on Oct 31, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked Macha

And I wish him the best!

"RIP: UserID: 553"

by Masaryk on Oct 30, 2008 4:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My wife just asked me if Ken Macha was going to be Bill Gates for Halloween.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2008 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Eithr that or John Hodgeman

I'm a street walkin cheetah with a heart full of napalm.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 30, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he looks like Larry David in that "I can turn my body into a big X, umpire!" picture that 67MARQUEZ posted

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 30, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I seriously stopped going to Nation's

ever since Macha left and stopped doing that hunger-inducing monotone ad for them. :(

by A'sian on Oct 30, 2008 8:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It was effective

It sounded so authentic! Like he was there, telling you it was a once-in-a-lifetime event to eat at Nations.
In fact, I stopped at In-and-Out Burgers (by mistake) because I was salivating so badly! I confused one non-McDonalds joint with another.

Officially awaiting the 2009 season.

by One won lost won on Oct 30, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats to Macha and the Brewers,

they now have a better chance of going deeper in the playoffs, great move.

by mattman on Oct 31, 2008 10:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Adding Macha while subtracting Sabathia and Sheets?

Methinks they might not go farther in the playoffs than watching said playoffs at home.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 31, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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