If I Could Be Bud Selig...
From a "wanting things to work out quite neatly" standpoint, this 2008 season just hasn't gone Bud Selig's way. Here we sit, in the middle of a rain delay spanning at least a day, and maybe more, while the country tries to figure out what happened to the World Series, while players, coaches, ticket agents, and the commissioner himself all try to get fans in the seats, broadcasts on television, and water off the field in time to play the last 3+ innings of Game 5, which may or may not complete this year's World Series. I'm sure any neutral party is now hoping for the full seven games, at least to make it worth it; the final two games don't have a weather problem, because, after all, what could possibly go wrong in a dome? (Don't answer that.)
Tangentially, the reason why tonight's game might not be in a dome is because of a different Selig rule; shortly after The Great Tie of 2002, Selig decided that the All Star game would "count", and nearly paid for that decision this year, as it took 15 innings to decide a winner. Complain all you want about ending in a tie, but if it was one of our position players (the imaginary A's All-Star slugger) who was next in line to pitch, I'd certainly rather end the game some other way, even in a tie. Selig was in a lose-lose situation of his own making; if he has the authority to change the rainout rules for the World Series, he certainly could have set up a Home Run Derby, winner-takes-all situation to end the All Star Game, couldn't he?
And let's forget about Prime Time programming needs for a minute (which I know is ironic, considering how pleased I was with the A's/Twins approximate 6:00 AM start time for the 2006 ALDS), and consider the poor baseball fans on the East Coast, who must regularly stay up (or at the ballpark) until midnight, one, even two in the morning to get some of these games in. I'm all for making games watchable for everyone, but at least on the weekends, would it be the end of the world if baseball started at 5 or 6, East Coast time?
And for the love of all things baseball-related, unless you live in California, November is not a terrific month for outside games. Yet the late start to the World Series next year would put the possible Game 7 on November 5th. I'd like to take Stadiums Covered In Snow for $1,000, Alex.
The commissioner is never going to please everyone; such is the nature of the beast, but he is certainly not getting any help this year. The All-Star tie made people mad? Sure, let's make it count from now on. Inevitably, there was going to be a game that went fifteen innings with no available pitchers.
The Dodgers and Phillies play each other in the NLCS? The team with the current beautiful 85-90 degree weather without a cloud in the sky can't win; ensuring that the middle games will be played in a virtual monsoon in Philadelphia, forcing Selig to read up on every conceivable rainout rule before making a series' decision.
And even though two games managed not to be rained out, a game that was already pushing it with a 8:30 PM start with two East Coast teams was delayed two hours, and nearly went extra innings, sending the exhausted, but happy, crowd home about the same time as the bars closed.
And just for the fun of it, amidst all the talk of instant replays, and the integrity of calls in a game, let's have the umpiring crew have their worst series in years; blatantly missing calls all over the field. That would be fun too. As if getting Tampa Bay/Philadelphia instead of Los Angeles/Boston wasn't bad enough.
What is a commish to do? Are there things that you would do differently in the position that may please a greater majority? How do you think Bud has done this year? How has he handled the tough MLB issues, i.e. steroids?
Let's discuss.
Tentative game time 5:37 tonight.
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For me, Selig is synonymous with 'douchebag'
He seems unconcerned about serious issues affecting regular fans, like ticket prices. Your typical working family can’t really bring their family to a game unless they’re willing to dish out a few hundred dollars. It just didn’t used to be that way. Teams are building new stadiums with less capacity then jacking up the ticket prices. EX: The new Busch Stadium actually has less capacity and costs far more than the old Busch Stadium. That, and a lot of these teams get public funding for their new stadiums. Busch is an example of this as well. So, basically, they use taxpayers’ money to build a smaller stadium, then they thank the taxpayers by jacking up prices.
Then Selig likes to inject racial politics into baseball. He and Rachel Robinson sat in the broadcast booth with Joe Morgan/Jon Miller during the Civil Rights Game. Rachel Robinson delivered a big “WTF?!” moment by stating something to the effect of
‘We need more black players because they will attract black fans because people like to see players of their own race.’ In fact, the whole game was essentially based on that premise and mostly ignored actual civil rights accomplishments.
by VORP is too nerdy on Oct 29, 2008 1:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They're never gonna give up their 162 game season...
… they’re never gonna play double-headers to shorten the season;
… they’re never gonna play day games during the World Series (unless the A’s are in it and it is against an Eastern opponent);
So, my solution to the problem is Spring Training kicks off in February. Scottsdale can be nice in February, so I’m okay with that.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 29, 2008 1:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseball is far more structured these days.
Pitching staffs (staves?!) couldn’t handle doubleheaders except in rare occasions.
And they can’t have Spring Training in February because they have to fit the WBC in.
How the hell is the WBC going to work, by the way? In 2006 it supposedly caused some pitchers to have real trouble when the season began, and it was kind of a joke because most of the major league players were pretty rusty. The format of it was ridiculous, and there were far too many teams. Italy? South Africa? The Netherlands? Come on.
by VORP is too nerdy on Oct 29, 2008 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
I think the WBC would fit in better if Spring Training started in February. Everybody would be on the same footing.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 29, 2008 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask any ol' school pitcher what they think about modern-day pitchers...
they think they’re pussies.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 29, 2008 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Gibson
agrees.
You know he can’t even straighten out his elbow it’s so messed up?
Speaking of which, Pujols just had some minor surgery on his elbow. Apparently he’s had this injury since 2003 and has still been a total monster anyway…
by VORP is too nerdy on Oct 29, 2008 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Stabler thinks...
JaMarcus Russell is a pussy, too. Because, basically, he is… if Russell ran the ball as much as Stabler did, the Raiders would be 5-2. But, he don’t run… even when I could have gained 20 yards. Why? Modern athletes are pussies.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 29, 2008 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did baseball have some of the laziness/arrogance
of modern players? BJ Upton got in trouble a few times this year for not running the bases. I’ll never forget the play where Manny Ramirez hit a ball he thought was gone, so he stood at home plate with his arms in the air….. then the ball hit the wall. Manny got a single, but David Ortiz scored from first base.
I mean, WTF?
by VORP is too nerdy on Oct 29, 2008 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please...
with few exceptions (Eric Byrnes) they all have the same same laziness’arrogance disease. Dude, once you get paid multi-millions, wouldn’t you be a little arrogant, too? It is human nature.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 29, 2008 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be arrogant, I'd be obnoxious.
I’m talking waving money infront of poor,homeless children while yelling, “No, not yours.”
Pujols makes millions and manages to stay aggressive… aggressive enough to injure two guys in one trip around the bases..and did you see the time he scored from second on a sac bunt?! The guy is by no means fast either. He’s actually a pretty awkward-looking runner.
by VORP is too nerdy on Oct 29, 2008 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
was Pujols in the playoffs?
No… because he’s surrounded by pussies, who should have never, EVER won a 10th World Series.
But, otherwise, I agree with you. I’d be obnoxious, too.
But, I’m teaching my 2-year old to play Texas Hold ‘Em, right now, because I don’t know if he’s left-handed yet. And, I’ll sorta get a kick outta seeing ESPN showing my kid deal cards at 2… much like I did seeing Tiger put on TV when he was 2.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 29, 2008 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
putt, even
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 29, 2008 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charming, highly incisive sub-thread
“Pitchers are pussies.”
“Bob Gibson and Albert Pujols aren’t pussies.”
“Whatever, JaMarcus Russell is a pussy.”
“Okay how about lazy and arrogant?”
“True, except Byrnes. It’s because they’re rich.”
“If I was rich, I’d aggressively mock homeless children.”
“Me too.”
by 74mk on Oct 29, 2008 4:55 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I admit I was frightened by it all.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 29, 2008 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d like to see how people bandying the “pussy” label would do themselves. My guess is much much “pussier.”
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sincerely hope that any male
who calls anyone else a “pussy”
has to pass a golf-ball sized kidney stone someday.
That’s about as close as you’ll ever come to giving birth, boys!
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 29, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sincerely hope that I don't
read that word anymore today. Not on this site, anyway.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 29, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, hate the word "golf"
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Oct 29, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Nice to have you back.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 29, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Golf, of course, is a sport for pussies
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that AN can never have enough of
is the 74mk thread (or in this case subthread) recap.
Seriously, really glad to see you posting more lately. Between this comment, and the one you posted in the SBN thread regarding a PT call-in talk show, I have been laughing all morning..
by AsFanInLA on Oct 29, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Comedic and ridiculous sub-thread.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Oct 29, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for 74mk as well
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Oct 29, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a longtime unabashed 74mk fan
Owner of many of my all-time favorite comments.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Oct 29, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another interesting fact
Every other major sport received it’s dream ending: Pittsburgh vs. Philly in the NHL, New York vs. New England in the NFL, Boston vs. LA in the NBA. It’s like ESPN’s wet dream. And with a rather mundane Series for the average fan combined with a lackluster ASG (although Josh Hamilton’s show at the HRD had….luster), I would not be surprised to see the average American family spend its money towards one of the three other major American sports as opposed to baseball.
Combine that with the current economic woes and MLB is bound to take a huge hit after growing at a rising pace for the last few years. Will that show in this year’s FA market?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Oct 29, 2008 1:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny you mention that..
I’m not sure people are actually reducing their consumption significantly.. and the whole thing could rebound by next year. I don’t necessarily think that MLB will take a huge hit…. at least nothing like what they faced in the mid 90’s.
by VORP is too nerdy on Oct 29, 2008 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh vs. Detroit
Philadelphia and Pittsburgh cannot meet in the SC finals because they are in the same conference (same division, actually).
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to check that again
"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08
by doctorK on Oct 29, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm a douche
Or perhaps a Selig. Of course Pittsburgh and Detroit are in different conferences/divisions, but Pitt and Philly, well …
(Ooh, I reed reel gud.)
"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08
by doctorK on Oct 29, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh whatever
No one watches hockey anyway. Anyways, Philly-Detroit is one of the best finals the NHL could hope for, so the point still stands.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Oct 29, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol... it doesn't matter if people want to reduce their consumption significantly...
banks are going to force them to do so… have you looked at your credit limit on your credit cards recently? Still the same as usual? Give it a couple of months.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Oct 29, 2008 2:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
quick, everybody, let's pool our credit and buy the A's!
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Oct 29, 2008 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me for going all preachy,
but if your level consumption is a function not of your funds/income but of your credit limit then you’ve got a problem. You should be budgeting based on how much you can pay, not how much you can borrow.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Oct 29, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Forgiven, and rec'd
People living on credit card balances/beyond their ability to pay = a significant part of the Economy’s problem.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The people you refer to
would have credit/money problems their entire life regardless of how well the economy is doing.
by VORP is too nerdy on Oct 29, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah what about us poor east coasters!
as a side note, im pretty pumped for this mini-game tonight. should be decent drama.
by oakinboston on Oct 29, 2008 6:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's early, so plan on some rambling here.
1) Blame Finley for World Series games being played at night.
2) Selig was right not to shorten Game 5.
3) Game 5 should never have started. Selig admitted to having “significant trepidation” about allowing it to start. And how often, exactly, do any of us do something that we are significantly trepid about doing?
4) Yes, the All-Star Game deciding who gets home-field is a joke, and yes Bud’s decision to make it “count” is a result of the Great Tie, but let’s say, just for fun, that the home-field was determined by best record. (Hey, just like the rest of the playoffs!) We’d still be exactly where we are now.
5) And for you traditionalists, let’s say home-field was determined the old-fashioned way, alternating each year between each league. This may be even dumber than Selig’s idea, and yet it lasted until 2002! Imagine Game 1 of the 1988 World Series being played in Oakland?? But, yeah, let’s say we alternate each season, and guess what? This year was the AL’s turn anyway! So we would still be right where we are now.
6) OK, so I have tried to sell this idea before, and it’s been treated with silence (or great laughter; can’t tell on the Internet). Play the World Series at a neutral site. Like, say, California. Call it World Series Week, and make it the event it deserves to be, like that one football game they play in January. Let Pepsi and Bud fight for air time (I assume they do anyway, but we don’t pay attention to WS commercials the way we do Super Bowl ads). Let’s show football fans that we can party too, and not just one game, but seven! (Well, at least four). And what happens to those poor fans that supported their team all season? “Hey, hon, didn’t we always talk about a California vacation?”
But seriously, you can ask the same of me, who went to twelve Raider games in 2002 (incl pre-season and playoffs) and when it came time for the Super Bowl, well, let’s just say my lotto number didn’t come up. This happens every year to loyal fans, but the NFL doesn’t seem to lack for paying customers.
Besides when the WS MVP says he’s going to Disnelyland…great, he’s already here!
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 29, 2008 6:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's easier to fill a stadium once in a neutral location than 7 times
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Oct 29, 2008 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stanford Stadium hosted four World Cup games in nine days in '94
And every single one drew over 80,000 fans. Not one of those games featured the US.
Granted there were similiar contests played throughout the country at the same time (with similiar results).
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 29, 2008 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok well say you are a fan of the phillies
You have tickets to game 6 of the world series in California. How do you schedule for that? you don’t know if there actually will be a game 6. You could take time off work and buy a plane ticket for absolutely nothing. It’s too risky; the current format works fine the way it is.
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Oct 29, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, rain on my parade with logic.
I was just trying to get the Series back here. I guess we’ll have it here soon enough?
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 29, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that the site of the game matters much more in baseball
What with the fields being so different, and teams being used to their home field.
I imagine the Red Sox, for example, would be pretty miffed to play a whole World Series without the Green Monster.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah the whole playoff atmosphere would be ruined
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Oct 29, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
Intersting though; I read this on Gammon’s blog today:
In the mid-‘90s, several owners went to a Miami Super Bowl and discussed the notion of having a 10-day World Series at a neutral site. They’d have to get local fans to buy into destination and vacation packages. There wouldn’t be the feel in Anaheim, San Diego or Los Angeles that there is in New York, Chicago, St. Louis or Boston. But then the Cardinals are the only team since the 2002 Angels to win in front of their home fans. It would be a hard sell, but the notion of a World Series week has some advantages.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 29, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really interesting....and what a fun vacation!
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Oct 29, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure..but the World Cup is an event that is held every four years
And 1994 was the FIRST time it was ever held in the United States. Totally different set of circumstances. And of the four games, 2 of them had Brazil in them, probably the most popular team in the tournament and whose fan base set up camp in Los Gatos for the tournament.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Oct 29, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
{Withdraws application to MLB}
Goes back to writing Rickey piece.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 29, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Counterpoint to #5
Alternating home field between the two leagues is WAY better than deciding it with an exhibition game. I actually think this was fine before interleague play, where both league champions had completely different sets of opponents…my 100 wins in the National League isn’t necessarily better than your 92 wins in the American League, for example…but how could anyone tell?
Now WITH interleague play, relatively small as it is, I think it should go to the best record (in other words, I agree with #4).
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 29, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would probably do a few things
1) Move the WBC to November
2) Shorten the # of off days during the postseason
3) For the all star game I would have a few pitching reserves only for cases where its gone to 10 innings or longer
4) I think Bud has done a lot of good things that are just not noticed because he looks like such a dork in public
5) I’d like to investigate putting teams in Portland and maybe San Antonio
6) I’d like to bring back once or twice weekly ESPN west coast games
7) I’d jack up the revenue sharing
8) I’d allow trading of draft picks
…..and so on
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
by closetasfan on Oct 29, 2008 6:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think portland can support a ML team
the market is smaller than Sacramento
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Oct 29, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland's full of androgynous people in skinny jeans
who like to ride their bikes in the rain or go to thrift stores rather than see spectator sports.
More power to ’em.
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 29, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My .02
Down the road people will look back on Selig’s time and I truly believe he will be considered one of the best, most forward thinking commissioners baseball has ever had. The game has grown tremendously under his watch, not all of it is his doing but he’s made some great decisions. No one will ever do everything right, hindsight is 20/20 and everyone makes mistakes, but interleague play, expanding the Playoffs and revenue sharing are/were vital to the games success. Its easy to look back and say he/MLB could of done more about steriods before it blew up, but where were you the fan back then saying that? No one cared until Bonds/Canseco’s book and the media blew it up.
But its easy to pick on him since hes in charge, like anyone else in that position…plus he isn’t a great speaker which goes a LONG way in how the public/media perceives leaders.
My only issue with him is the MLB Extra Innings deal with regards to trying to have it all on DirectTV instead of letting Cable outlets have a fair shake.
Whatever he does is criticized, part of the job….his decisions on the World Series thus far have been the best thing they could of done with what mother nature gave them.
Gas to Chicago- $23.87 A's/White Sox Tix- $28 Watching the A's whipping the Sox in July 05'- Priceless
by WiscoFan on Oct 29, 2008 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Down the road people will look back on Selig's time
and realize that de-juicing the baseballs to make it look like they de-juiced the players was one of the most cynically brilliant moves in sports history.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Oct 29, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Any more information to back that up? Not saying it can’t be true but I have my doubts.
Gas to Chicago- $23.87 A's/White Sox Tix- $28 Watching the A's whipping the Sox in July 05'- Priceless
by WiscoFan on Oct 29, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edit
I mean Bonds hitting home runs at the pace he was on, considering how loathed Bonds is and Canseco’s book….I realize Bonds didn’t write the book or was even part of it.
Gas to Chicago- $23.87 A's/White Sox Tix- $28 Watching the A's whipping the Sox in July 05'- Priceless
by WiscoFan on Oct 29, 2008 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The All Star Game issue....
I think the way to solve the All Star Game problem is to add 3-4 young starters from each league to the rosters. The pitchers would be told that they are only on the team to throw 2 innings each if the game reaches a point that the rest of the staff has been used and the game is in extra innings. Each pitcher would be used for 2 innings max (to appease the guy’s team and to protect arms) and would ensure that the game could go about 18 innings (assuminng the regular staff is done by innign 10 or 11) without having a pitching issue. These pitchers would be treated as if they are full members of the team (pay, festivities, team pictures, jerseys, etc) and be able to take in the whole All-Star game weekend, but it would be very clear they would only pitch if needed. What young pitcher wouldn’t relish the chance to spend the weekend as an All Star with all the festivities and gettin to know and learn from the stars of the game? And the managers would have a safe feeling knowing they could use their pitching staff with the knowledge they have these young guys in reserve.
Also, I would add a roster spot, but it would have to be a for a catcher and each team would be required to have 3 catchers. This position would be allowed to have re-rntry into the game. This would avoid the crazy 10 innings someone like Russell Martin ended up catching this year. The manager could get all the catchers in for 3 innings if he wanted and know he could bring another catcher back in the game for extra innings to avoid one guy geting stuck with a crazy workload.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Oct 29, 2008 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, that's the best idea I've ever heard about the ASG.
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Oct 29, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the best idea I've ever heard about the ASG ...
… is to eliminate it.
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Oct 29, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOOOOOO
flings poop at ('.')
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's an odd one
Guess I can’t write your sig face in a post…
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
@(‘.’)@
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Oct 29, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird, how are you doing that?
('.')
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
& # 64 ;
= @
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Oct 29, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, there's certainly no need to start swearing
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Oct 29, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too fancy for me
And who really needs @ to be a shortcut for “do annoying gray box thingy” anyway.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I think we should turn the All-Star game into the All-State Major League Baseball Awards show, where we dish out mid-season awards to all the players. JUST THINK ABOUT IT! We could have a red carpet, celebrities (like Lindsay Lohan!) and really funny comedians like Adam Sandler hosting! And it could be 3 hours long! All the players can sport the latest fashions and talk about who they’re currently dating/separating from. Frankly, this sounds like a really good idea to me, and I’m going to get Selig on the phone about it right away.
Also, Jose Canseco will be the guest of honor. Every year.
by VORP is too nerdy on Oct 29, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
will it he held in Los Angeles of Anaheim too?
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Oct 29, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally disagree about the time situation...
this is the World Series 2 of the games are on the weekend and then you are telling me that people on the east coast can’t stay up late 3-5 times to watch the world series. This isn’t something that goes on throughout the year it is the world series.
by mattman on Oct 29, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
any way to get more ratings
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Oct 29, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But asking people (and kids) to stay in a venue until 2am
with rain delays (always an issue for some parks) and extra innings (always a possibility) just seems crazy. It’s the weekend for everyone. 8:30pm is really late to start a “family” event.
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Oct 29, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are trying to maximize their ratings,
as far as the weather goes I don’t understand how they could control that, I think baseball did what they should have done in trying to get that game in with the information that they were given, however it would have been nicer to have seen the game called a few innings earlier when the rain started to fall harder than it had the first few innings. It is the world series and it happens one time every year, if this is such a concern for baseball, they would move the World Series to a neutral side, which would be a travesty.
by mattman on Oct 29, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
game time temperature in Philly is
38 degrees with a wind chill of 31
and next year they’re going to play even later in the year
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
by closetasfan on Oct 29, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's obvious
That for the sake of baseball, the A’s and Giants need to make it to the WS next year. And the A’s need to win.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Oct 29, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would actually not be great for baseball if the A's won the World Series,
most likely they are looking for more of a marquee matchup with the likes of the Bostons and Angels of the world, but I would love it. It would make a compelling story, but that would be pretty irrelevant after what the rays are doing this year.
by mattman on Oct 29, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no need for the Giants in any World Series - ever!
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
by Monday Fan on Oct 29, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which bridge shall we break this time?
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Oct 29, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree with WBC in November
Move Spring training to February or have less off days during the season and playoffs. Make the World Series earlier!
by A'sfansince1970 on Oct 29, 2008 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess that would be the ideal situation,
there has also been some talk about moving the World Series to a neutral site with the lengthening of the season next year, but I think that would be a terrible idea.
by mattman on Oct 29, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won't happen but I'll toss it out there anyway
Eliminate the playoffs entirely and completely separate the two leagues again. The winner of each league earns a trip to the World Series. There’s no need for two levels of postseason tournaments that send weaker teams to the Series and force the likes of Joe Buck and Tim McCarver on us for weeks.. The winners of each league have already proven themselves worthy over the course of a 162-game regular season. We have pennant races again for the first time since 1968 and the World Series ceases to be an anticlimactic afterthought.
There will be no off-days during the World Series so the participants can’t bury the back end of their starting rotations and their bench. The World Series becomes a 25-player effort for each team.
Barring bad weather, the World Series will run from October 1-7 (shorter if the full seven games aren’t needed, naturally) and October 8 will be a national holiday on which the champion’s victory parade will be held. The first Sunday after October 8th is the opening day of the NFL season.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
by Monday Fan on Oct 29, 2008 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well you know Selig was rooting for the Sux
even though the weather was likely to be sucky there at this time of the year
by OaklandSi on Oct 29, 2008 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you were Bud Selig
I might consider buying a used car from you. Hell, if you smiled nice I might even shell out for the undercoating.
I'm a street walkin cheetah with a heart full of napalm.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 29, 2008 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
THE GAME IS BEING RE-AIRED RIGHT NOW ON FOX
if anyone wanted to see innings 1-5 1/2
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Oct 29, 2008 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The projected Nov. 5 date for the end of next year's World Series...
…is based upon the expectation that the playoff schedule will follow the same pattern that it did this season. But Selig has already said that he plans to remove a few off days from the playoff schedule next year to compensate. So, although the regular season is starting a week later (Monday, April 6th), the World Series probably won’t end quite THAT late, even if goes seven games.
I’d wager that the ’09 WS will be scheduled to end (Game 7) Nov. 1 or so, with 3-4 playoff-off days removed.
The problem with starting Spring Training in Feb. is that it would probably need to be collectively bargained, since it means cutting in to the players’ off-time. And the players probably strongly feel they need that off-time, since they basically “work” every day for eight months straight.
There’s also a second problem with starting ST in February, and effectively beginning the regular season in March (to avoid bad-weather World Series in late-October):
League-wide, the weather is probably just as bad in March as it is in late October!
That’s why he’s bumping the regular season opener back one week (April 5-6) next season in the first place – to have less April rainouts.
So really, Selig’s already enacting a very reasonable solution – less playoff off-days.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Oct 29, 2008 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If I ever start my own band, I'm going to call it the Virtual Monsoons
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Oct 29, 2008 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If I ever start my own band, I'm going to call it the Virtuous Monsieurs
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Oct 29, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the Virtuoso Mongooses (Mongeese?)
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Oct 29, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mogoosii
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
err... Mongoosii
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
World Series start times should be based on the teams involved...
If there are two East Coast teams, like we have this year, start at 7:05 ET.
If there’s a Central Time team in there, start at 8:05 ET.
If there’s a West Cost team in there, start at 8:35 ET — at least allow them to get home from work first!
Those are for weeknights. For weekends, I echo baseballgirl — no later than 6:05 p.m. ET.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 29, 2008 5:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Commissioner For A Day:
(These probably require collective bargaining, but I’m assuming absolute power in this hypothetical):
1. Allow the trading of draft picks and institute “hard” draft pick slotting (NBA style), which would instantly ensure that the projected best talent is always taken in the first round as it should, and as it is in every other sport with a draft. Slotting and trading of picks go hand-in-hand, because if you’re going to tell the team drafting No. 1 that they HAVE to pay the top player an $8.5MM signing bonus, it’s only fair to allow them to trade out of that position if they think they can find better value in a lower slot.
Obviously the specific slot figures would be written into the CBA and would increase each year with inflation and with the continued health of the game, just as FA prices do. In addition to the obvious benefits, it would mean that players would simply sign their deals immediately (since there’s no dollar figure to negotiate) and get a few extra months of minor league development instead of holding out and not playing until the following spring.
I have a wild hunch this could become a hot-button topic after the ‘09 draft. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Strasburg demand $15-20 million if he has a healthy, dominant junior season. If he falls past No. 1, and someone ends up paying that figure, that might create enough animosity in the Player’s Union and among small-market owners that they’d actually agree to bargain the issue of “hard slotting” draft picks. And draft pick trading is a logical short step from there, for the reasons stated above.
2. Include International players in the Rule 4 (North American amateur) June draft. There’s certainly enough intelligence and resources league-wide to make this a possibility now, even if there wasn’t a few decades back. This would help to remove some of the ethical concerns associated with agents, bonus-skimming, and broken promises that currently give a black eye to the International scene. Critics say this would “ruin” baseball in Venezuela and the Dominican Republic; I highly doubt that two incredibly passionate baseball countries would simply quit playing over this.
3. Completely revise the archaic ELIAS player ranking system and the FA compensation system. I’m pretty sure they’ll do something with this in the next CBA (2011). It’s a good idea to compensate teams for lost free agents; it’s a really bad idea to use things like fielding percentage and batting average as key determinants for that compensation. It creates crazy inequities like this, where Juan Uribe is worthy of compensation, but Jason Giambi isn’t.
4. Eliminate ALL playoff off-days.
You can’t really eliminate regular season off-days, because you need buffers for rainouts, and you occasionally need an off day/travel day for the quality of play to remain high and for players to remain sane.
But no one should have trouble getting up adrenaline for two and half weeks of playoffs.
What if teams had to actually use their 25-man roster in the playoffs? That’s what got them there, isn’t it? This also helps allieviate the rainout problem. The season could still still start on April 6 and be comfortably done before Halloween if there were no scheduled playoff off-days.
Allow 5 days for the division series, 7 days for the LCS, and 7 for the World Series = 19 days total.
You want a day or two off? Kick your opponent’s ass early.
Let’s look at how this would play out in in the ’09 season, when the season begins on April 5th and ends on Sunday, October 4th.
*Allow Monday for Game 163/one-game playoffs that decide the race.
*The Divisional Series each start on Tuesday, Oct. 6th. Eighteen days later, Game 7 of the World Series would be played on October 24th, with perhaps no rain at all.
Sure, there’d be four playoff games every day for the entire first week of the playoffs. Isn’t that kind of awesome though? The NCAA seems to think so each March, and so do thousands of people who skip work on the first Thursday and Friday of March Madness, and millions who watch their productivity plummet with the office TV on.
In fact, here’s a revenue-generating olive branch in the direction of those networks who lost ratings by playing daytime playoff games:
You could make the Division Series a best-of-seven in this proposal, and it would still end by October 26th. That’s a few extra games of revenue for the stations to compensate for inferior time slots.
Or, the league could treat the Division Series the way CBS treats Day 1 and 2 of March Madness – play two playoff games simultaneously, and the network can pop back and forth, covering the most interesting one. During blowouts, rainouts, and pitching changes, there’s still some relevant action to switch over to. With four daily games, two of them could start at 5:30 and two of them could start at 8:30 Eastern., kind of like Sunday morning NFL coverage.
What do you guys think?
(Wow, this turned into a mammoth “comment”. I might re-post this as it’s own thread at some point for some more feedback).
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Oct 29, 2008 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd ban turf
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Oct 29, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's crazy
What are they supposed to play on? Dirt?
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
by Monday Fan on Oct 29, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gravel
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2008 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's big enough

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 30, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he's certainly gritty enough
Oh, if people only knew how frugal we are. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More support for international baseball...
The WBC, while flawed in execution (hoping they get it together to be the best it can be), helps expose more people abroad to the sport and generates interest for the future, short and long term.
The removal of baseball from the Olympics after this year is a blow. I know Selig is adamant about not letting any active roster MLB players attend the games, and ideas of an extended All-Star break allowing the best players to represent their country in the games have been floated. Don’t know what the best solution would be, but it’d be nice to see some support for getting the game back into The Games.
I was going to buy a copy of The Power of Positive Thinking, and then I thought: "What the hell good would that do?"
by Jackson23 on Oct 29, 2008 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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