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And So It Begins

Despite a less-than-auspicious first inning by Scott Kazmir, who allowed two early runs and wriggled out of quite a bit of trouble (he would allow 3 runs in his 6 IP), the game did not turn into the slugfest it might have been. Instead, the Rays’ bullpen gave us a genuine pitching duel, as Kasmir and his replacements matched Cole Hamels almost pitch for pitch. Hamels went seven, but only allowed two runs; the difference in the game-- this game was one swing from tied from the fifth inning on. Contrary to the League Championship Series’, only two homeruns were hit tonight; one by Crawford, one by Utley.

Clinging to their 3-2 lead for most of the game, the Phillies’ pitching took it all the way to Lidge, who absolutely destroyed the heart of the Rays’ lineup in the bottom of the ninth to secure the road win.  Crawford put up a valiant at-bat at the end, but was finally retired.

And what a game it was. If you like baseball, this series might be a dream come true. When all was said and done tonight, both teams left baseball fans wanting a little bit more. I’d like six more games like this, please.

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Great game

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I miss it already. :-(

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 22, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carry on my wayward son.

There’ll be peace when you are done. Lay your weary head to rest… don’t you cry no more.

[breaks it down]

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good song.

I’m excited that I actually know a few of the ones you’re quoting.

by whiteshoes40 on Oct 22, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I missed those.

My older sibs made it to them tho.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

So . . .

There IS someone older than you on here.

by lynnzgal on Oct 22, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

perhaps

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I went to a Day on the Green...

and I’m younger than 67.

39 remarkable innings.

by ZigFan31 on Oct 22, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You looked pretty spry for a 66 year old jumping over that rope

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

SWANS

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Days On The Green

I saw Led Zep/Judas Priest/Rick Derringer in summer of ‘77. Went to a few of them in ’78. Rolling Stones/Santana/Eddie Money/Peter Tosh on Mick’s 36th birthday. The really good one was Aerosmith/Foreigner/Pat Travers/Van Halen/AC-DC. (What the hell was Foreigner doing there?) There was another good one in ‘78 that had Ted Nugent, Blue Oyster Cult, AC-DC, and Cheap Trick (I think I’m leaving someone out – can’t remember). A few years later there was The Who & The Clash. Those were great times for concerts.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Oct 23, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

My older sibs were at a lot of those. Bastards.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 23, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Memories...

all alone in the moonlight.

39 remarkable innings.

by ZigFan31 on Oct 22, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can smile at the old days

I was beautiful then
I remember the time I knew what happiness was

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always sung it "carry on my hayward son"

Of course, I’m odd.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It has a better ring that Carry on my San Leandro son

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

How did you know?

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose it'll be Carry on my Fremont son now

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's the next city from Hayward

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you picked it randomly

I was born and raised there. Parents and most of the fam still live there.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cool

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

you are an odd duck.

but we love you anyway.

39 remarkable innings.

by ZigFan31 on Oct 22, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

aww... how sweet.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ducks need love too

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course they do.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're a quack.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

{cough}

It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Utley homered in the 1st

So that makes 2 with Crawford’s.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 22, 2008 9:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Plus the people scoring at home

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fixed it...announcers were wrong in the ninth & I forgot

"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers

by baseballgirl on Oct 22, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

They do that

often sometimes

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey! both you AND zigfan are here! woot!

I wish I had more time, and my head wasn’t splitting open with my 5th headache in a row!!

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

what would that do? make my headache worse?

are you trying to make me suffer, or are you offering a miracle cure?

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll try it, but if it doesn't work, or makes it worse,

I’ll hunt you both down and you will both be VERY sorry. VERY VERY sorry.
So lets hope it works, ok?

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

holy crap

I’d take care of that before the headaches

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

take care of what? hunting you guys down?

I’ll only do that if my headache doesn’t go away.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

you want me to chase after you anyway?

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

depends

what happens if you catch me?

by mikev on Oct 22, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well yeah.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those work

I just realized I haven’t had a migraine in a long time. Cool.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Truly awful.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was told not to take that, for whatever reason.

Apparently whatever is splitting open my skull is not a “full” migrane, so I’m not supposed to take migrane medicene.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

there's more in it than just caffeine.

I’m just sayin, it helps. Go drink a soda.

by mikev on Oct 22, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

alright!

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

... would you mind beaming over some of your magical sprite?

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

never mind. i found a coke.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

also, pinch the webbing between your left thumb and index finger

There’s a pressure point in there somewhere that relieves headaches too.

Need to apply a good amount of pressure though.

by mikev on Oct 22, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you know all this?

Cuz you’re right.

39 remarkable innings.

by ZigFan31 on Oct 22, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

just one of those things you pick up.

A chick I knew a long, long time ago knew all kinds of that weird pressure point stuff.

I remember the hand one because it works.

by mikev on Oct 22, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

so your cure of headaches is...

drink a soda and pinch your finger? I like the way you think. I hope it works though. It is REALLY bad. If it’s not gone by tomorrow, I’m going to stop by the doctor. I HOPE IT’S NOTHING SERIOUS!! To be honest, I’m a little worried… it hasn’t gone away for 5/6 days. ugh.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That doctor thing sounds like a good idea

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

not really. I mean, it's not like it's a cureall.

caffeine helps, and pressure points help.

If you’ve had a headache for a week, you may wanna call a doctor. Seriously.

by mikev on Oct 22, 2008 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now you guys are making me scared!!!

{shivers} my friends say it’s because I’ve been staring at a computer screen too long.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could be

You may need glasses.

But still, a DOCTOR.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

fine. I'll go tomorrow. Happy?

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm half-content, yes

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

and I'll tell you if it's anything bad

but only if you care.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

sometimes.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your RX might have changed.

Or you could be sitting funny at the computer.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's possible.

Read here.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff, Jennifer

I almost called you Jen. Weird.

I shorten everyone’s name at work. Well, I ask first.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jen is fine.

No Jennie.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you think that's necessary.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good. :)

Because I don’t know I could answer to that. Plus, it makes me insecure.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank Jen.

No Jennie. I don’t do “nies”.

Besides I am going for less typing. Fat fingers and all.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get bad headaches.

I usually take a hot shower and let the water beat down on my head and back. Then I take lots of drugs, stuff my nose full of Mentholatum and sleep for a few hours.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

and I'll try that too. But I really need to go.

Talk to you guys later!!!!

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some of the drugs you can take for headaches actually

has caffeine in them.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Oct 22, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've taken tylenol and and motrin

aond something else that I can’t remember the name of. No dice. It hasn’t gotten any better at ALL.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I thought I was suffering...

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

or a doctor

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

KEEP ME AWAY FROM THOSE!

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite enough.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

You want to know about he electricity usage too?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well yeah.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

and they can also be bad. very, very bad.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

and do you punish them when that happens?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes.

Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40

by #14fan on Oct 22, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

People are fucking crazy. They are going crazy in a town hall meeting about a sex offender/former murderer.

Leave the guy alone, he served his time. So annoying how people are branded in our “modern” society.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Oct 22, 2008 9:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate those people with a passion.

OK, not really.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should just pay the parking tickets

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dunno, there's really no good answer here without specifics.

I can completely understand people flipping out over a murderer/sex offender. I can also understand somebody serving their time and getting out.

by mikev on Oct 22, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're only modern by today's standards

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 22, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay so I just went to your blog.

From what I gather you are teaching in Japan. Is this the traditional program being offered to college students, “Go to Japan/China and teach us english.”? Seems like a pretty sweet deal. Anyways if that is your daughter running around in one of the videos, please make sure she learns Japanese. She will hate you when she is older if she is not taught a second language at such a young age.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Oct 23, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way, I was totally kidding about the Christmas invite thing

I’m actually part of the JET Program, the biggest one in Japan. You need a degree and some desire to get to know Japan. It’s a grueling interview process, and pretty competitive. But it’s awesome.

As for the language, she’s learned a few words so far, but we’d actually like her to learn Spanish (I’m fluent in Spanish and learning Japanese now).

au contra ire

by JediLeroy on Oct 23, 2008 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, to be trilingual would be amazing.

I hope Japan is treating you well!

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Oct 23, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

How strange, I go to CSU Sacramento.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Oct 23, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's worse is when people are branded sex offenders

for statutory rape. Thanks to our modern, enlightened laws, a 20 year old who has sex with a 17 year old (and depending on where you are, you may not even have to know the other party was underage) can be essentially stripped of all rights (including the right to vote for politicians who don’t believe in stripping people’s rights for minor mistakes in judgment).

Criminal laws should be drafted by experts with no input from the general public (or, worse yet, legislators) other than, maybe, picking among 2 or 3 options.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 22, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

It truly is the worst system ever invented

Except, of course, for all the other ones.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Oct 23, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pitching for both teams was excellent

considering the strike zone was very tight.

As a casual Phillies Fan (I grew up near there) it’s very troubling that I could get Ryan Howard out right now.

by Miata71 on Oct 22, 2008 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Anyone hear Buck say buddy-boy?

That was from when he was on Conan O’Brien around the ASG this year and they were talking about how Buck had said something during the previous year’s ASG that Conan had wanted him to say. It was some abnormal phrase but I forget it now. Anyways Conan had asked him this time to use buddy-boy (pronounced budday-boyyy) during the ASG this year but Buck never did until tonight around the 8th inning I believe. I found it funny, wonder if anybody else made the same connection I did.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 22, 2008 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Game Indeed!

Baseball Girl is correct, game 1 was a lot of fun to watch. I did not have an opinion about favoring or disliking either team….it was just a good baseball game. I particuarly liked listening to the main announcer on tv….John Miller?

by hokecole on Oct 23, 2008 4:36 AM PDT reply actions  

this was a very good game!

I really enjoyed watching it — and hope the rest of the series is as good.

by OaklandSi on Oct 23, 2008 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Even though I'm rooting for the Phillies

I am rooting harder for a tied Series tonight. Ah, the beauty of not hating either team.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 23, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Phillies really needed Game 1

after Hamels there is a real drop off in starter quality, while the Rays have overall a better starting rotation.

by OaklandSi on Oct 23, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

I wonder if they considered throwing him on short rest twice so that he could throw Games 1, 4, and 7 instead of just Game 1 and Game 5.

"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ

by notsellingjeans on Oct 23, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's probably their best chance of winning

He’s hugely better than all their other starters. As it is, the two games he pitches are virtual must-wins for the Phils, because they’re not likely to win 3 of 5 games where they’re at a starter disadvantage. 2 is doable.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Oct 23, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree - would like five or six more games like last night

although with Rays winning 4 of them!
I really did enjoy the game – just good baseball, just what I wanted.
And I agree with OaklandSi above..I think the rest of Rays staff is stronger than Phillies.
But, we shall see.

"And sometimes, when it seems like all hope is gone, Life tosses you a special gift of a baseball game" . 7/10/08 BaseBallGirl headline

by LongTimeFan on Oct 23, 2008 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

No love for Big Joe?

And Moyer has been great all year. Joe I think will pitch as good as Hamels, keep them in the game. Same with Moyer. I don’t think TB has that much better of a rotation. I think the Phillies are a complete team. Go Phils! I met my wife in Philly so have more interest in the Phillies winning, although I like the small marketness of the Rays.

by A'sfansince1970 on Oct 23, 2008 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

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