Ellis to sign multi-year deal
by BillMoresi on Oct 19, 2008 8:13 AM PDT
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According to ESPN, Mark Ellis has agreed to a multi year deal to re-sign with Oakland!
Mark Ellis, back in green and gold... I was personally worried about losing his defense, he is STILL underrated in my opinion.
How do YOU feel about retaining Mark Ellis to a multi year deal? Happy about this? Sad about this? What is the alternative? (I'm adding words here to make it 75! Ha)
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This makes me soooo happy!
I was terrified the A’s would let Ellis slip away.
by davidvangorp on Oct 19, 2008 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
at this point I am very happy we re-signed but I think we could have traded him to colorado in the beginning of the year for ian stewart… but that ship has sailed
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Oct 19, 2008 8:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome News
Mark’s classy on and off the field. I hope it has some sort of no-trade so BB can’t peddle him to some contender for more prospects in 2009 or 2010.
by muscatel on Oct 19, 2008 8:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so if a deal makes sense for the team
we should keep ellis anyway? no thanks
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Oct 19, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If We Never Keep Anyone, Only The Fanatics Will Stay With The Team
Nuff said
by muscatel on Oct 19, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always disagreed with any argument that ever included “Nuff said,”
by Rocktopus on Oct 19, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about an argument ending with
“res ipsa loquitur” ??
Means the same thing, I think.
Runs Please. A lot of them. The rest of the season. Thank you.
by One won lost won on Oct 19, 2008 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently many trial court judges do not share rocktopus's taste in arguments
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you’re a lawyer, I dare you to conclude your opening remarks with “Nuff said.”
by Rocktopus on Oct 20, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck even in law school it would take guts
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only as a legal term and only in the context of proving negligence.
But yeah, I’m not saying that “nuff said” is a poor logical argument, only that every time I’ve ever seen it used, I’ve always disagreed with the argument. For me, it’s like seeing someone using Wins or a small sample size as an indicator of player performance. I’ve never seen those things mentioned in an argument that I agreed with.
by Rocktopus on Oct 20, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is, shall we say, a leading indicator of illogicality
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 20, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did you find this?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 20, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am picturing 67 at home
with a super computer humming in the background and a massive DB set up to locate any certain term in his archives of articles.
Actually, I first thought of him having a huge book that codifies his archives on dozens of dusty shelves. Then, when he found the phrase, he had to light a torch and walk to the part of the room to find the book….
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Oct 20, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is hilarious.
The fact that my finances have caused me to watch my electric bill a little more closely these days means your last statement is closer to the truth than you may think.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 20, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to watching the PG&E
I think I have mentioned it too much around the house now. My son is now walking around the house asking is he should unplug each thing we are not using that second because it might possibly save another cent or two.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Oct 24, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an old newspaper clipping from Opening Night '81.
The fact that I remembered seeing that quote somewhere among those clipping is the true miracle. Then again maybe not. I tend to recall stuff like this.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 20, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I love you.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Oct 20, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
“Res Ipsa Loquitor”. That IS better than ‘Nuff said! That’s just awesome.
Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40
by #14fan on Oct 20, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just shorten it to RIL right now.
It’s gonna happen anyway at some point.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 20, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay then
that is tons easier to type!
Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40
by #14fan on Oct 20, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easier to spell, too.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 20, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's true
I had to keep scrolling up to check the spelling. It was only after I had already posted that I remembered the magic of copy and paste.
Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40
by #14fan on Oct 20, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I understand it (warning:100% anecdotal )
from the professionals that use it, a simple “Res” (pronounced rezz) indicates the entire phrase, especially when one is struck by a barrel.
I was struck by a barrel on different occasions while working at Montevina winery, so the whole thing resonates with me.
Runs Please. A lot of them. The rest of the season. Thank you.
by One won lost won on Oct 20, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the "Res" tips.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 20, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
&:-)>}]))>>
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Oct 20, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no response.
That’s amazing that you remember that. Wow.
by Rocktopus on Oct 20, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, thinking about this,
I really miss the days when someone could utter a Latin aphorism about a baseball game and not be thought of as sociopathically pretentious.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 20, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love Ellis
but this quote from Slusser’s article is a bit sobering:
Instead, he will be just the third player in the Billy Beane era that the A’s have signed beyond his first free-agent season, joining outfielder Jermaine Dye, who got a three-year deal with an option year in 2002, and third baseman Eric Chavez, who signed a six-year, $66-million extension in 2004.
Let’s hope Ellis’ multiyear deal works out better than the other two.
by OaklandSi on Oct 19, 2008 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ironically Chavez was the only healthy one when he signed
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Kotsay also signed beyond his FA season?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was worried someone else was still going to try to sign him
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Oct 19, 2008 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
great news
The one and only player the A;‘s needed to bring back of the free agents. This does mean that Crosby days are most likely to be his last. I read the commisioner asked that no big trades will be made until after the world series. They are trying to keep it all world series news. After watching during the playoffs how valuable a bullpen is I can say the A’s phone will be ringing alot for Street. Of the playoff teams cubs, brewers, rays, dodgers, and whitesox need help there.
by Arcman on Oct 19, 2008 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say the Rays had bullpen problems.
The Rays pen of 2008 was one of the best in the game. As was the Dodgers. Both top 5 in all MLB.
One bad implosion does not a bad pen make.
The best use of that money and trade chips for the Rays would be attempting to lock up Upton long-term and/or bring in more power. The best uses of that money and trade chips for the Dodgers would be to bring in another SP and/or resign Manny.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on Oct 19, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure the Rays can expect a repeat of their 2008 bullpen performance, though
Balfour, Wheeler, and Howell are not as good as they pitched this year. I would expect some major regression from them in 2009.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howell
I think Howell is going to be a solid left-handed reliever for a long while. Previously he was used as a starter, and that was a bad, bad thing. I don’t think it’s right to say he’s not this good since he’s in a role he hasn’t been in before. His minor league numbers are very good and he strikes out a bunch, doesn’t walk too many, and doesn’t give up a bunch of homers. I think he’ll be fine.
by thejd44 on Oct 19, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson should do pretty well in the pen. They've got Davis too. And Niemann.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson sucks
I have no idea where his decent performance numbers this season came from, but the guy can’t pitch. His FIP has been remarkably consistent at about 4.90 throughout his career, which is barely acceptable for a 5th starter or long reliever.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 20, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but he supposedly throws in the high nineties as a reliever.
I think that 4.90 is mostly as a starter. In any case they’ve got lots of guys in case Wheeler – Howell – Balfour aren’t the answer.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He throws in the high 90s, yes.
Throwing in the high 90s does not equate to pitching ability. Straight high-90s heat with minus offspeed stuff will not cut it at the MLB level even in the bullpen. (Imagine Santiago Casilla without the slider, and you’ve basically got Jackson in the bullpen.)
His strikeout rates are fairly pathetic— 5.30 K/9 this year is well into Joe Blanton territory— and he doesn’t have anything like the kind of control you need to succeed with that kind of K rate.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 20, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eeeeee!
SO. EXCITED.
!!!!!!!!
“I know it wasn’t a very good year for anyone in the organization, myself included,” Ellis said. “But I’m very proud to be a part of this organization and I’m excited about things here – not to sound like a total cheeseball, but you see what the Rays have done this year and what the Rockies did last year, and it’s not out of line to think we can compete and do well soon. We have a lot of young pitchers on our staff, but they’ve got the stuff to be pretty good. Look how quickly things snowballed for Tampa Bay.”
Awww… he’s optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 19, 2008 10:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just commented on the other one too, but I DON’T CARE!!!!!!!!!!! MY UNICORN’S COMING BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and awwww…. cheeseball and snowball! Whiteshoes40 beat me to it. That’s cute!!!
:D :D :D :D
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 19, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want that as my sigline somehow! But it's really long...
hmm…. I’ll figure something out.
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 19, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheeseball. That's just sweet.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on Oct 19, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute - isn't that Justin Timberlake?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 19, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NEVER. SAY. THAT. AGAIN.
Ellis is AWESOME. Timberlake is NOT.
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 19, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I think he's only saying it because Ellie said that people tell him he looks like JT
that’s all :)
by schmifty on Oct 19, 2008 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that
Those people are idiots. I sort of have a grudge against Timberlake… and I see no resemblance between the two, hence the “idiots” statement.
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 19, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First clowns now Timberlake....what next?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
grudge vs. fear
There’s a big difference. If I were to see JT, I wouldn’t run away, where as if there was a clown, I’d run as fast as I could in the other direction. I just don’t like the guy. is that so bad???
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 20, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was the "grudge" statement that made me think there was a fun story
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you ALWAYS think it's a fun story?
this one’s not. i just think he’s stupid and overrated, among other things
Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40
by #14fan on Oct 20, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
picture that I took of him = necessary (or at least I'm going to pretend it is)
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 19, 2008 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Faboo
Even if Ellis is in decline, he’s going to be worth the money… and if he gets back to full health, he’ll REALLY be worth the money.
I also like the decision to go with a 2-3 year contract because it’s more likely to bring draft picks at the back end. A one-year deal, as some were suggesting, would have made it hard for Ellis to be Type A or even Type B because his numbers would have been weighed down with the wretched season this year.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If the deal is, as Rotoworld suggests,
about $5-5.5 million/year, it seems to me like a steal, especially considering you are paying for his years ages 31-34.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
That’s a bigger underpay than Polanco’s contract, which is probably the best value-for-money free agent contract in baseball right now.
Second basemen are apparently the Rodney Dangerfields of baseball.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tell ya, I get no regard
No esteem, neither.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Oct 19, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, that's pretty low. good stuff
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Oct 19, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per ESPN, its 2 years guaranteed with 10-12MM guaranteed money
With an option for a 3rd year and incentives that could bring max value to 18MM.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on Oct 19, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 3 year- 20 million contract
For a .230 hitter coming off shoulder surgery is a good contract? Not so much.
by pbra17 on Oct 19, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career .265 hitter with one of the best gloves in the game
Much.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Oct 19, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but if he's injured the glove can go bad pretty quick.
But it’s so cheap it doesn’t matter that much
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you read?
Per ESPN, its 2 years guaranteed with 10-12MM guaranteed money
A 3 year- 20 million contract
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If incentives are met
Its a 3 year 20 million dollar contract, so I guess your hoping he does bad which makes it a bad contract, thanks for reading.
by pbra17 on Oct 19, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he hit .270 this year like usual
he wouldn’t have signed this deal, so be greatful. thanks for reading.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Oct 19, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would i be grateful
For having a 230 hitter coming off of surgery? thanks for reading. gotta love A’s fans who cant be realistic and realize that the only argument for Ellis is, " he plays good D" which doesnt matter because we are a below 500 team. It would matter if we were a championship contender, which we are no where near. Spend the money on some bats that can actually hit.
by pbra17 on Oct 19, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, because when you score a run, it counts twice as much as when you stop the other team from scoring one
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not only A’s fans who think winning is about scoring more runs than the other team.
by Rocktopus on Oct 19, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you been reading too many articles
from Rob Neyer or Joe Sheehan from the late 90s?
And Ellis doesn’t play “good” D. He plays phenomenal D.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Oct 20, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is beside the point,
but what on earth were Rob Neyer and Joe Sheehan writing in the late 90s?
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by PaulThomas on Oct 20, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC, you would end up with a team like the 98-00 A's
if you were a disciple (defense, speed, baserunning, etc. don’t matter, just get a bunch of guys like Matt Stairs and John Jaha and you’ll be ok).
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Oct 20, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What sal said
Basically, we (meaning Neyer / Sheehan) can’t assess D, so let’s ignore it; also, D very likely doesn’t matter much anyways, even if we (Neyer / Sheehan) could measure it.
Whenever they would write about a player like Ellis, they would first say that he “hit” some lousy / mediocre OPS. They would then acknowledge his defensive reputation, then blithely brush it aside by saying that it very likely doesn’t matter much anyways, and then conclude that he should be replaced by someone with a better OPS / VORP, but (much) worse D.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Oct 20, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a rather large difference
between saying “we can’t measure defense, so we’ll ignore it” and “we know this guy is good at defense, but we’ll ignore it anyway because scoring runs is more important than preventing them.”
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 20, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rather large differences between what is said and what rfloh thinks was said are nothing new.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Oct 20, 2008 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
xbhaskarx posting nothing but boring snark
is nothing new either.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Oct 21, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you missed the additional part?
where they blithely brush aside any possibility that it would like matter much anyways? Go look up some old Neyer or Sheehan columns.
Hell, even today, Sheehan still has a tendency of falling into the walks + homers, minimise everything else including D trap. Even Neyer does this though occasionally. A couple years back he called Adam Everett the worst player in MLB. The flame where MGL excoriated Neyer, and ripped his argument to shreds is still worth reading. It’s on BBTF.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Oct 21, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's good reason to "blithely brush aside" defensive reputation
Good reason being, that reputation is frequently rubbish. Torii Hunter: not good defensively. Yet he keeps winning Gold Gloves.
In evidence law, they talk about “probative value” versus prejudice. That’s fancy terminology for “is this piece of evidence going to help the decisionmaker reach the right decision, or obscure the issue?” If I think “defensive reputation” obscures the issue rather than helping, it’s totally valid to decline to take it into account.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
* sigh *
What I said:
blithely brush aside any possibility that it would like matter much anyways
as in blithely brush aside any possibility that defense, not “defensive reputation” would matter much.
Also, ignoring something just because you, ie Sheehan / Neyer drawing conclusions, and then making outrageous claims lack the ability to assess it is stupid.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Oct 22, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about having your cake and eating it too
You insist it’s a 3 year 20 million dollar contract if he hits all his incentives. Do you really think those incentives will be met if he hits .230 and only plays in 100 games due to injury? I think not..
by GusanoQuemador on Oct 20, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if his option is picked up.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on Oct 20, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he's hoping he does good
In which case he’d be worth the under 7 million a year for 3 years which Ellis at his norm both offensively and defensively is worth a lot more. If he’s not worth it, then no 3rd year and you’re looking at a 10/12 million risk during a time where we have a lot more money than that to play with. Good deal, good risk.
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by DMOAS on Oct 19, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hehehe
First of all, minor factual problem. What I’ve read says it’s 5-6-6 with 2 total in incentives. That equals $19 million, max. Even if Ellis has the exact same year as 2008 in terms of performance, he’s worth much, much more than that. Like $5 mil per year more than that.
Tango ballparked the numbers and said Ellis was probably worth 4/50 on the open market. The A’s have him for 2/11ish with the option for a third year if he’s healthy and productive. This is the epitome of a great deal.
by thejd44 on Oct 19, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tango's numbers are for a healthy Ellis
I like the deal, but it isn’t like he was stupid or generous for signing it
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He penalized Ellis for missing games
If Ellis plays a full season he’s 4+ WAR.
i don’t think Ellis would’ve been offered a two year deal if the shoulder was a concern going forward.
by thejd44 on Oct 20, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, if anybody was going to sign a Wakefield-like contract
I bet it’d be Ellis.
by mikev on Oct 20, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
does this mean Pennington moves to short?
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on Oct 19, 2008 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he could share time with Crosby.... if crosby's still around
he’s also a good backup for Ellis if anything happens
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 19, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping it means he moves to the bench
after the A’s replace Crosby with someone who is good at baseball.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and who are you thinking of to replace Crosby?
Pennington isn’t terrible… at least in my opinion.
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 19, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Street for Asdrubal!
Add pieces as needed for equity.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he played 2b. He plays SS well too?
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 19, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a SS in the minors, both with the Indians and the Mariners
The Indians moved him to 2b for MLB, because they don’t crap there.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Oct 19, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn.
The Indians moved him to 2b, because they have crap there.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Oct 19, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope both versions are true
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
love it, but doubt it
maybe settle for a wes hodges +
i know A’s dont need another 1b/DH type, but in past yrs i think garko is the kind of cheap, controllable bat beane would go for
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 19, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK. Asdrubal and Hodges for Street, Eveland, Carignan and Crosby!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay! My favorite deal!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Pennington sucks
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For now, yes, with Crosby gone.
Or 3B. Whichever position the A’s don’t fill this offseason…if neither is filled, then one of 3B/SS
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on Oct 20, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merry Christmas, Poppy!
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on Oct 19, 2008 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to.
I’m going to love (love, love, love, love…) seeing MaEl in green & gold for a little while longer, but I have to say:
He’ll be traded by midseason, or on my birthday in 2009. Because… in Billy I “trust.”
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Oct 19, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can't trade him for six months,
because he’s a signed free agent – so if you can just hurry up and have your birthday, it should be “trade free” (which Cindi thinks means "organic").
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nico, Did he actually file for free agency yet?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 19, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I believe Poppy is right, he can be traded at any time.
I really think he will be around a while longer.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 19, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you think he'll be traded on my *next* birthday?
No… that will be Ziggy.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Oct 19, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well this is yummy.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well the 2b depth is taken care of
it does buy time for cardenas/weeks
getting patterson is useless now
pennington has probably guaranteed a utilirt spot at least
petit i have no idea whats planned for him, i think the A’s screwed him. everyone has gotten an extended shot other than him
how about trading patterson for an equally rated 3b stuck in a depth chart…hello david freese. cards need a 2b
patterson and casilla/brown for freese
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 19, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting Patterson was useless because he's not a major leaguer
by thejd44 on Oct 19, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he's truly terrible
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second base depth
i recall the need for depth at second base in 1989, so the A’s got Glen Hubbard from Atlanta. From the whispered accounts, he was a bit of a strange dude.
Runs Please. A lot of them. The rest of the season. Thank you.
by One won lost won on Oct 21, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er, make that for the 1988 season, the A's got Hubbard
he was released mid-1989. They liked Tony Phillips more.
Runs Please. A lot of them. The rest of the season. Thank you.
by One won lost won on Oct 21, 2008 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont recall hearing the "strange dude" part when the A's got him.
What were the whispered accounts?
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, this isn't the real thing.
I’m not giving you a real example. I just don’t remember the real example. But something like
He’d tape a string to a ten dollar bill, then put it in a prominent place while hiding the string from view. Someone would walk by, reach for the bill, and he’d pull the string, then laugh maniacally at the “miss”. Repeat over and over, and if someone said, “Ah, Glen, I think you’re going to pull a string taped to that bill, just like last week..” he’d still laugh maniacally.
Ask BBeane. He was on that team.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Oct 22, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I could find, the joke was on him.
As told by Big Mac:
“I remember when I was still with the Oakland A’s, our third-base coach, Rene Lachemann, and Glenn Hubbard, our second baseman, were in a merciless practical joke battle. Hubbard just would not stop lighting the guy’s shoelaces on fire. So one day Lachemann gets to the ballpark early to take his morning crap. And as soon as he’s done, he grabs a tongue depressor from the trainer’s table, reaches into the toilet, and scoops up a huge piece of crap. I couldn’t believe it. I watched Lachemann shove the entire thing inside Hubbard’s game cleats, and I made sure to get a good spot to watch him put on his shoes. I saw every facial expression as his toes and toenails were getting covered in crap. I don’t think I’ve ever laughed harder in my life.”
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol wtf
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Oct 22, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm so happy! :)
""These guys are a different breed of ballclub." - Twins manager Ron Gardenhire on the A's
by gotgreen on Oct 19, 2008 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Congrats guys, I'm glad to see Ellis is staying where is his skills are properly appreciated.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 19, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
Now lock up BJ, you guys.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on Oct 19, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to happen, IMO
Upton wants his money.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Oct 19, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
allegiance...
ellis took quite a hometown discount, considering he’s getting between $5 and $6 mil a year to come back. he could have gotten close to $10 mil on the open market, especially seeing as how important defense has been in these playoffs…
by stranahanahan on Oct 19, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe not right away, because of the surgery
he might have had to sign a one year deal. Then again, perhaps a team like the Diamondbacks (if they lose Hudson) or even one of the Chicago teams might have given Ellis a two year deal. But that bit of uncertainty tipped the scales in Oakland’s favor — not that I’m complaining.
by OaklandSi on Oct 19, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way 10mill
his injury, bad season prevented that
castillo 4 yr/24mill probably at best
if A’s pick up his 3rd yr 3/18mill sounds about market value
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 19, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must've missed how he had a bad season
Since he was still something like 3 to 3.5 WAR.
by thejd44 on Oct 19, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ending it with surgery reduces his market value
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way 10 million
At the most I would say 8 million a year for Ellis but more like around the 6 -7 million range and 3 years. Not many teams needs a 2b coming off a injury. The yanks, angels and redsox are in no need. The indians, tigers, marlins, giants, mariners, rangers, orioles, pirates, phillies, brewers, and reds are not in the market so it comes down to mainly whitesox, jays, and d-backs with hudson being the #1 free agent.
by Arcman on Oct 19, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets, Cards, Cubs, Dodgers
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd see 3/24 for Ellis on the open market.
I do think Ellis took a hometown discount though; he easily could have gotten 3 guaranteed years on the open market.
The amount per year looks the same.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on Oct 19, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three years? Really?
I’m not so sure, but i don’t study FA with any attention to detail. I think GMs are wary of players who just went through surgery.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Oct 21, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little devil's advocate
Our team’s history with the health of their long term contracts has not been good. Remember when we re-signed Kotsay? We were all happy then too. Signing guys who have never been awesome hitters (save 2005) and who rely on defense hasn’t worked out for the A’s before…
Ah, screw it. Yay MaEl! You were the first step in any offseason plan to compete next year (unless you wanted to trade for Uggla).
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Oct 19, 2008 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we gor devine for kotsay
Good trade for A’s but why didn’t we use Kotsay at first? Damn redsox.
by Arcman on Oct 19, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because CF is a more important position than 1B
Kotsay was effectively blocked at CF, and Lowell was injured. More desperation by the Sux.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on Oct 19, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the couple times Macha played Kotsay at 1B,
there was wild mutiny on AN. That was, of course, before we re-set our 1Bman standards to Dan Johnson and Daric Barton.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember this wild mutiny. I thought he didn't play there because they had Swisher
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Devine for Kotsay was a fluke
Just because Beane somehow someway managed to flip a terrible contract for a very good prospect does not mean that it is good procedure for the A’s to sign terrible contracts. And Kotsay’s main attribute is great CF defense (when healthy) combined with slightly above average offense (when healthy). Playing him at 1b means taking away his defensive edge and playing him at a position where his O is well, well below average.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Oct 19, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently he's great defensively at 1B too
although the point still holds. First basemen just don’t have as many plays to make as CFs.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay is just an above avg player
Wasn’t he the closer for CS Fullerton in the College World Series?
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Oct 21, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your point is...
The A’s got burned on two long term contracts, and therefore shouldn’t sign anyone ever.
I don’t think that would work out so well.
This is a good contract. If Ellis never comes back, it won’t kill us. If he comes back, it’ll be great value. Long term contracts always involve risk – that’s part of the game. This looks like a good risk.
by MrIncognito on Oct 19, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's ironic about the Dye "mistake"
is that if the A’s had just “screwed up” a little more, and signed him to that “mistake” for an additional five years, everything would have worked out great for Oakland.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SIGN EVERYBODY TO 8 YEAR CONTRACTS ASAP!!!
by mikev on Oct 19, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what if their 9th year is their finest?
LIFETIME CONTRACTS FOR EVERYONE!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only they could trick every player into the Tim Wakefield contract
Reserve Clause LIVES!
by thejd44 on Oct 19, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Wakefield who tricked the Red Sox judging from his postseason
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously he was suffering from a "dead arm"
just like Harden in late May. it just took Wakefield until October..:^)
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Oct 21, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, if they had signed him for just 4 years, they'd have added another playoff appearance
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the article is about Ellis
but, man, Chase Utley is stupidly good.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I like about Utley
is everything. He simply looks like the A’s slogan…“100% Baseball”. And, he performs that way, too.
Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I think of Steve Garvey in his prime when I watch Utley.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Oct 21, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so a (hopefully healthy) Ellis anchors the infield
for 2009-2010, thus allowing some of the A’s 2b prospects to develop at their own pace, move others to SS or 3B, and/or make some available in package deal trades. It also makes it likely that the A’s will try to deal Crosby, probably in a package deal that includes a more desirable player such as Street.
by OaklandSi on Oct 19, 2008 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt trade him
but dont forget teams were asking for cardenas right after A’s from philly
if anything, patterson is most useless right now
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 19, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good 2B/SS prospects are always in demand.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on Oct 19, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY!!!!!!!!!!
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is." -Bob Feller
by Christine on Oct 19, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Time will tell
It’s hard for me to have much confidence in the A’s ability to determine when a player with known injuries is worth resigning given their track record with guys like Chavez, Kotsay, Dye, and Calero.
However, Ellis would need to lose quite a bit of effectiveness or miss significant time not to be worth the reported 10-11 million dollars in guarantees.
Overall, there are risks here, but I think the reward outweighs the risk. The A’s have money to spend, and this contract should not end up precluding other moves. We’ll just have to see how healthy Ellis is in the next two years.
by BlameChannel53 on Oct 19, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To me the biggest reason it's a good risk
is that the A’s have too many holes to fill elsewhere – needing to fill 2B would just make it less likely they could take care of SS, 3B, power, etc. they way they need to.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
beane values his experience
and leadership…thats a bigger reason i think why he’s resigned.
plus with cahill/anderson/mazzaro etc and their high GB rates it wouldnt hurt to have ellis around
i just hope beane doesnt follow through with the same leadership of embree, take the type B pick, plus already having good BP depth
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 19, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I shouldn't be reading ESPN, let alone the comments on the ESPN board...
…but I’m a bit of a masochist and I did. The comments there are very unappreciative of Ellis and the value of this contract. It’s weird to realize that AN makes up such a small contingent of A’s fans, and that the average fan thinks that the A’s are a “farm team for the rest of the MLB,” that “Ellis isn’t even a top 20 second baseman,” and that the A’s are generally a poorly run organization. I am just SO thankful that we have a place like AN.
by Rocktopus on Oct 19, 2008 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so true
Some of the other websites comments are all about the A’s being a farm team. The funniest ones are the yank or mets fans that think hey we can flip pavano to the A’s for duke and street. How about the Cano rumor for Matt Holiday. Now thats funny.
by Arcman on Oct 19, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Yankees fans said the "farm system" comment to me at a game this year.
I asked them to name anyone they “drafted” out of our farm system that was really worth it… Then blank stares. I said “Giambi really put you guys over the edge, huh?” I think they read the “farm system” thing in a newspaper.
by A'sian on Oct 19, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read a trade proposal including
Cano and Melky for Cain and Rowand
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Oct 19, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it okay to openly wonder what the hell need Eric Patterson fills within the organization now?
by mikev on Oct 19, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone to make Crosby look better?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wise janitor?
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Oct 19, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key hitter for Sacramento's bid to three-peat
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there it is
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Oct 19, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its true, sometimes i feel like billy is more concerned about winning the PCL championship
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
by DyeLongJustice on Oct 19, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade bait
for any equally rated SS/3b type that is stuck in a depth chart situation
maybe they ignore his mlb stint and look at a pretty good minorleague track record
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 19, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your idea of flipping him for Freese/Craig is a good one
I’m going to have to steal it.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
utility player
Beane even said he visions him as a tony philips who plays every where.
by Arcman on Oct 19, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Phillips played everywhere well
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
excepth i'm not sure epatt
is even avg defensively at any position. he just gets slotted in the OF due to his speed
he’s better off as trade bait. pennington will beat out epatt due to SS defense
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 19, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figgins is like that. Playing all positions crappily but not disastrously has value
Trouble is Patterson can’t hit, even as well as Figgins
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But where can he play?
And, again, why do people assume he’s going to hit? Yeah, great minor league numbers. But he’s going to be 26 next year and he’s shown ZERO ability to hit in the majors. At some point that talent just isn’t going to translate.
by thejd44 on Oct 19, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I remember taking that picture of you!
Glad you used it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 19, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TOTALLY OT
Hey, Batgirl! Can you email me at babybeats@gmail.com? I picked up a Stomper puppet (http://www.athleticsnation.com/2008/9/16/615472/an-trading-post-9-16-08-a) to swap with ya and want to give both you and 33SwisherSweet plenty of warning before I head up to the East Bay again. (I have his email addy but not yours.)
Thanks! And great, great pic’!
by PositionPlayerProd on Oct 19, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOO!
One more MaEl photo for celebration… mine from Yankee Stadium
by schmifty on Oct 19, 2008 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good picture!!! beats mine!!
We're in a team-wide funk. ~Mark Ellis
by #14fan on Oct 19, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprisingly I'm happy.
I said during the season that I would not mind seeing Ellie’s pop-up inducing swing leave Oakland next season, but of course that was a heat of the moment thought. I know how valuable he is both on and off the field to this team, especially a young team, and having him back at a bargain price is a great business decision. Here’s to hoping he cuts down on the pop-ups just a bit next year so I don’t start pulling my hair out.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Oct 19, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I really expected him to be gone!
I’m really glad he’s staying. Having some solid defense behind our young pitchers is great for the mental side of their game. Sweet!
by A'sian on Oct 19, 2008 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great news
Excellent player at a very reasonable price. I don’t think its unreasonable to expect him to rebound slightly offensively either.
by SkipT on Oct 19, 2008 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually I believe he is a good hitter every other year, and that will be 2009. He only struggles in the even years.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 19, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, that's the well researched Even Year Syndrome
discussed in detail at statso.com
by OaklandSi on Oct 19, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll buy that
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 20, 2008 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A second cousin, perhaps?
Is EYS relate to the odd-even rule of Star Trek films (which, admittedly, was broken with the last one and will hopefully not apply to the next one, either)?
by PositionPlayerProd on Oct 20, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Oct 19, 2008 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So, what you're say is..
Ellis is going to die next year, only to be turned into a cyborg police officer?
Or is Robocop going to ride Ellis?
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Oct 19, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Oct 19, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
is there a website called robocopridesunicorns.com or something?
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Oct 19, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
found it.
I like this one:
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Oct 19, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Oct 19, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Oct 19, 2008 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just rec'd an image for the first time
which is a nod in the direction of your awesomeness.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Oct 20, 2008 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ellis stats analysis before 08
compared to other 2b.
interesting that hudson/ellis same age, same career OPS + 99, obviously one has the edge of hitting in a better park
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/18511-under-the-radar-oakland-athletics-mark-ellis
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 19, 2008 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know the article is about Ellis
but, man, Chase Utley is stupidly good.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean that the Most Interesting Man in the World won't be showing up at McAfee any time soon?
by thejd44 on Oct 19, 2008 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
does he have a huge banner hanging off the side of the coliseum??
that is undeserved, due to a fluke AAA/rookie season?
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 19, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone should photoshop beane's head on this...
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by xbhaskarx on Oct 19, 2008 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
His hair looks really good there.
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by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 20, 2008 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
i never knew beane had such a long neck…
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by xbhaskarx on Oct 20, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a horse.
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by Nico on Oct 20, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
??? beane's a horse?
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by #14fan on Oct 20, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“who’s the best looking horse in baseball?”
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by xbhaskarx on Oct 20, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Ellis was a Unicorn.
Beane can be a horse all he wants. but he will NEVER be a unicorn!
so in answer to that, I don’t know who the best looking horse is, but I hope there are other options, because I DON"T like beane.
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by #14fan on Oct 20, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing speaks for herself.
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by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 20, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!!
Ellis=unicorn
Beane= person with really long neck.
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by #14fan on Oct 20, 2008 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by drmmerchk on Oct 20, 2008 2:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
patterson for freese
this is the best minor deal they could make this offseason. fills a need for both teams doesnt hurt your depth…call beane now!!
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 20, 2008 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on all counts
Welcome back and welcome home Mark Ellis.
by mrod on Oct 20, 2008 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome happy
mos def. best option, especially given the hometown discount he gave.
by Mark Borgschulte on Oct 20, 2008 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nice
now that mark ellis is back, 2nd base is set
we can try out the prospect we got from phillies as backup, and probably a call up later in the season with weeks
by Wreckonized on Oct 21, 2008 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Weeks has never played above low-A ball
I’ll eat my hat if he plays a single game for the A’s next season.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 22, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would take Weeks over Eric Patterson anyday of the week
by Wreckonized on Oct 22, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So safe to say you'd take Weeks on a weekly basis?
OK, that was weak.
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by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 22, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jemile Weeks over Eric Patterson as a back up,
Eric patterson did nothing but strike out when he played
by Wreckonized on Oct 22, 2008 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, so you have no idea how player development works
Good to know; I can safely ignore anything you say on the subject.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 22, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So have the mariners asked to interview you yet?
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by Cheezombie on Oct 22, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but that's their loss
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by PaulThomas on Oct 22, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incidentally, for those of you wondering about that situation for real
They have apparently hired the farm director (?) of the Brewers. He’s not known as being a particularly “stat-happy” guy, but as is always the case for GMs, it’s as much about his ability to surround himself with useful assistants as it is about the man himself.
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by PaulThomas on Oct 23, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
You don’t have to be an expert to understand that promoting a raw talent fresh out of college straight to MLB is a dumb idea. Point to where PT said anything about being god’s gift to talent development anywhere in his above point, and I’ll give you a cookie.
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by nevermoor on Oct 23, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no i wasn't really being that sarcastic
I am in awe of PT’s knowledge
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by Cheezombie on Oct 23, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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