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Third Deck re-opening for 2008!!!

So, uh... For the sixteen or seventeen people that are going to keep going to games next year:

3 sections of the 3rd Deck will be open for $35 All-You-Can-Eat tickets, to include hot dogs, nachos, peanuts, popcorn, soda and ice cream -- and maybe more!

I guess that's sort of a reason to go to games... I guess.

Star-divide

Me personally, I don't think I'm shelling out 35 bucks for that.  

If it was for the bleachers, you can bet your behind I'd likely pull the trigger on season tickets, but c'mon... Is this really that good of an idea?

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$35 ... and you get none of the good stuff!

I'll pass ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jan 7, 2008 2:30 PM PST   0 recs

3rd deck opening? HMMMM.

Before you start jumping for joy, consider this:

Those 3rd deck (formally known as "upper reserved") seats are worth about $15.00 or so. At $35.00 or $38.00  a piece, you would have to eat an awful lot of hot dogs, soda and nachos to come out ahead.

Also: consider the strings attached:

You are limited to what you can get each trip, and you cannot take it out of the designated area. So if you have a ticket to (for instance,)317-12-5, you can't take your goodies back to your seat. That means, unless you are lucky enough to be near a tv monitor, you are going to miss al LOT of action.(Didn't look that far into it, did 'ya?)

For us season ticket holders who have already plunked down our hard-earned cash for tickets, that doesn't sound like such a good deal, although I am sure some will think it is.

I also wonder what kind of security will need to be involved to make this work.

I hope they work out the logistics before the season opens. If they don't it won't be a pretty sight.

No matter how important the game, always remember to have some fun.

by larryh on Jan 7, 2008 2:39 PM PST   0 recs

That's not what it says.

So if you have a ticket to (for instance,)317-12-5, you can't take your goodies back to your seat. That means, unless you are lucky enough to be near a tv monitor, you are going to miss al LOT of action.(Didn't look that far into it, did 'ya?)

It doesn't say you can't take it back to your seat - only that you can't take the food out of the area:

"Fans can exit the All-You-Can-Eat level to access the Plaza Level and Field Level, but will not be able to take food outside of the All-You-Can-Eat level. Fans may bring food up to the All-You-Can-Eat level if they choose to buy alternative items at different locations."

It doesn't say anything in the press release about not being able to take the food to your seat if you bought one there.

by Flashfire on Jan 7, 2008 6:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The first time I read that bit

on the A's website, I thought it said "Pizza Level."

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jan 7, 2008 7:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That's exactly what it says..
No matter how important the game, always remember to have some fun.

by larryh on Jan 8, 2008 12:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That's exactly what it says.. ()

The only way for your statment to be true, is if the sections mentioned are part of the All-You-Can-Eat area. If that IS the case, then it shouldn't be a problem. The problem with the press release is that it is unclear what the logistics are. When they say

"dedicated stands near Sections 316, 317 and 318."

That can be anywhere in the vicinity.

It wouldn't be so bad if they brought it to you, but let's face it, that ain't gonna happen.

No matter how important the game, always remember to have some fun.

by larryh on Jan 8, 2008 12:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yep...

...Lines are long enough when you have to pay an arm and a leg for food. I never go stand in line for food because it usually means I miss an inning or two (I live in So Cal, so going to concession lines at Angels Stadium or Dodgers stadium usually means missing 2 innings).

So if lines are that long w/ 5 dollar sodas, how long will they be with free food...??

Juan Pierre: 44 Million Dollars, Juan Pierre's 3.4 WARP3: Priceless

by Travis Buck Nuckin on Jan 8, 2008 12:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Signs of a BB signing??

Maybe ownership thinks more fans will come out to see Barry.

by Hawk on Jan 7, 2008 2:49 PM PST   0 recs

No garlic fries, no deal!

Interesting idea by the A's brass....wonder if it'll catch on. I'd be tempted, if I could get to games that is.

by OldhamA on Jan 7, 2008 2:59 PM PST   0 recs

man, Im watching what I eat

and I am really craving a hot dog right now!

DiNardo: Hey Kurt, do you eat babies? Suzuki: Yes.

by Amnesiac727 on Jan 7, 2008 3:39 PM PST   0 recs

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by methodrampage on Jan 7, 2008 3:57 PM PST   0 recs

If they included....

BBQ mystery meat sandwiches and garlic fries I would be there for every home game.  As it is, I'll probably try it once and play it by ear from there.  

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Jan 7, 2008 4:51 PM PST   0 recs

Soylent Green and Gold is prospects!!!
Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 5:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

They did this a Dodger Stadium -- big success.

If they do it at Angels Stadium -- bug success.  But I wanna know how Brian in 317 is gonna feel to have so much company?  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 7, 2008 5:02 PM PST   0 recs

"big success" in the sense that ...

... this is (especially with the A's application of it, as FSU notes below) a way to maximize revenue/attendee without actually devoting any extra resources/expenditures.

And "big success" in the sense that lots of people are dumb enough to fall for the putative "deal."

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 6:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Look, I'm not sitting there, nor do I intend-to.

We bring stuff from home for nearly free.  However, Occam's razor suggests the simpler explanation that the A's are just copy-catting the Dodgers' documented success.  I'll bet other teams will, too.  

I'd be less-than-candid, though, if I didn't add that I, for one, am growing weary of the constant belaboring of the very obvious point that the A's are a capitalistic enterprise.  Maybe there's a better team to root for in Kazakhstan?    

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 7, 2008 7:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Playing the love-it-or-leave-it card, eh?

Not too cool.  Is there some fan loyalty requirement that says we have to root for ownership's prosperity?  You call the Dodgers' program a "success"; monkeyball observes that it's thus solely because it profits the team at the expense of unsavvy consumers.  

It's not that the A's are a business; it's that their business strategy is increasingly geared to a higher strata of fan.  You can argue that's a good move, good for the quality of the roster, the chance of winning, and even good for the fan experience.  But to suggest those who feel otherwise should find another team to follow is a low blow, and unbecoming.

Edging his way along the crowded paths of life, putting a Milo on all human sympathy and feeling the richer for it.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 7, 2008 8:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oh, bullshit. /skip Oh, bullshit. /skip Oh,

bullshit...  That's the card I'm playing.  

It's as tiresome as your characterizations of my post are off-the-mark.  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 7, 2008 9:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Cmon FSU

This seems like willful misinterpretation on your part.  Do you really take Dogfather's suggestion--that Monkeyball quit rooting for the A's, pack up all his bananas and move to Borat's home country in order to find a new sports team to support--that literally?    

But getting back to DF's original post--I'd guess that Brian in 317 isn't going to notice the company, because he's not going to be "in 317", because it's now $35.

The more I look at this, the more I suspect incompetence in operations and/or marketing.  After the Haren and Swisher trades, I joked that they should tarp off the second deck--but I was half-serious.  Instead, they're going in the opposite direction.

So aside from the obvious capitalistic reasons to charge $35, I guess I'm focusing more on the fact that they're choosing to do this promotion in the third deck--that choice seems to me like an admission that the whole tarp thing was pointless, and that they don't know why they did it in the first place.  

It's incompetence, or to use a (quasi-)word thrown around a few days ago, it's nefarious-ness.  My guess is the former.  (RS flagged for gratuitous insertion of extra punctuation and wordiness)

Brainless Automaton #439

by rubin sierra on Jan 8, 2008 12:44 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I don't think that at all.

I think the tarping was a good idea. Made the stadium more tight knit, and it freakin' looked great, just quietly.

But the idea behind it was to create more demand for tickets, and obviously with the team being sliced and diced, that's not going to happen this season, so they're looking to another option.

I don't have an issue with that. Good for them for trying something different - and not for nothing, but I'd spend at least $20 on food and soda most games, especially if there was no limit on what that bought me.

It's a shame it doesn't cover every food item in the stadium, but obviously you can't police people getting food all over the place, and it doesn't make economic sense to have every concession up there for just three sections.

Oh, and the reason it's being done up top is obvious - easier to police. If you allowed the bleachers to do it, the place would be a giant food fight.

We should play Jack Cust at shortstop for a week, just so we can feel good about Crosby again.

by Ozzz on Jan 8, 2008 2:10 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm a bit sensitive to "if you don't like it

go somewhere else" rhetoric, having heard it in many contexts for many years.  That might not've been DF's main theme, but find "a better team to root for" were his actual words, and I replied accordingly.

I've not concluded that this move is incompetant on the A's part...I don't think it'll be that successful, but it's a pretty low risk.  Unless a bunch of malcontents go from concession stand to trash can to stand to trash can a couple hundred times a game.  But that would be wrong.

Edging his way along the crowded paths of life, putting a Milo on all human sympathy and feeling the richer for it.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 8, 2008 8:29 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

hey, look, I'm in *favor* of capitalism

When you get right down to it, I'm with LowcountryJoe (whatever happened to him?) -- in that I think entrepreneurialism is a wonderful machine for progress and innovation.

And I've been quite consistent (not to mention insistent) on that.

Which, actually, is one of the big reasons I'm a fan of Beane -- in the way that he approaches the on-field and front-office management.

But that approach most certainly does not carry over to the marketing and customer-service aspects of the franchise. In those areas, the A's are as moribund and monopoly-reliant as any other franchise in the game. If Beane applied the same lackadaisical and neglectful methods to building the roster as the franchise does in marketing and customer service, then we'd be the Pirates.

What bugs me is that the organization knows they can rely on 2M+/- showing up no matter what shitty condition they let the Coli fall to, no matter what ludicrous cash-extraction scheme they dream up, no matter how fan-hostile an atmosphere they foster. By flinging my poo at them, I am fulfilling my role in the system by providing them (indirectly) and my fellow fans with feedback that we should demand more from them in exchange for our dollar-votes.

Your solution -- that I lie back and think of Oakland -- I actually find pretty offensive.

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 8, 2008 8:26 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

i agree on the marketing

who is in charge of that aspect of the organization?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 8, 2008 9:00 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Aleister?

I knew there was something diabolical going on.

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2008 4:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I agree, A's Marketing is poor

I just find the attempt to draw in people who really don't want to be at the game, don't know who is batting, don't care...it is a big negative with me.

Look at the recent hockey game that drew 73,000 people to sit outdoors in very frigid conditions....

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07364...

Why were they there?

To watch "dot racing"?  Read the comments.  The way you create attendance is to "honor" those who "honor the game" and want to be there to absorb all aspects of the game.  They don't go to see who's birthday is on the scoreboard, dot racing, a crappy selection of music played at an inescapably-loud volume.  They don't go for the "honor" of paying $8 for a beer!  

In Europe, it's CHEAPER to buy snack food inside the theatre than outside!

What do you get for buying a ticket, then going to an Athletics game?

The opportunity to be shamelessly gouged in every aspect: food, parking, and souvenirs.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jan 8, 2008 11:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Since I started this little shytstorm, ...

... let me further ‘splain what I actually meant, vs. what’s been inferred, reasonably or not.  

My objection is to the consistent harangue that ascribes the worst motivations to Ownership’s every move, despite the fact that much simpler and higher probability explanations exist, founded on neutral or fan-positive motivations.  That’s the Occam’s razor idea, which counsels against looking too deep under rocks when the obvious (and less sinister) explanations stare you right in the face.  Here, it seems bloody obvious to me that the A’s are simply copy-catting the Dodgers, ‘cuz the Dodger fans apparently like the idea of an all-you-can-eat section.  It's a huge stretch to suggest that this is part of the plot to raise the socio-economic profile of the average A’s fan – rather, it’ll appeal, if at all, to hungry, young, bargain-hunting men who watch hotdog-eating contests on ESPN.   I think if Lew so much as took a dump at the stadium instead of at home, he’d be accused of doing so to take up stall space at the expense of the fans.  Why stretch so far to reach for the outliers when the high probability explanations – and good predictive models of behavior – are Right-the-fark Here?    Repeated over months and in several contexts, it gets tiresome to read.

The Kazakhstan comment was not, as mis-framed above, a love-it-or-leave-it proposition.  It was an attempt to say this:  the beneficent owner/civic contribution model of sports ownership is Long Since Dead and Gone.  As is direct taxpayer subsidization of facilities, at least around here (good).  Those being the case, we should expect Ownership to act like capitalists, in a risk-reward context.  If you want public involvement, you need to look for it in a collectivist culture, not here.  Kazakhstan came to mind because I can spell it, in contrast to Tajeeki/Usbecky various other –stans.    

Now to me, expecting them to act like capitalists does not equate with expecting them to act like Evil Capitalists.  They’ve taken a large risk with more money than most of us will make in our lives.  Part of that risk relates to fan loyalty – so it makes no rational sense to me that they’d purposely drive away fans.  They may target more and other fans to broaden investment appeal, but that’s very different, and not evil, in my view.  They may trade away the present in favor of the future, but that’s not evil, either.  You have to make so many Byzantine assumptions to make the evil capitalist model work that you drive Occam (with me on his back) screaming for the hills.  

That’s what I’m complaining about.  I don’t want anybody to find a new team – I just want some folk to find a new, simpler predictive model of ownership behavior.  If it turns out you’re right and the A’s move to East Bumfark Vegas, then I’ll eat a crow on the Coliseum pitcher’s mound.  

But if I’m right, will you eat one there, on Opening Day at Cisco Field?                

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 8, 2008 12:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Good for you, Dog!

I agree, I'm getting extremely worn down with the explanations and divine-tea-leaf-readings of every management move, Beane or Lew/Fischer.  Does every move have to be nefarious at its heart?

Like I've often said to others:

________________World's Easiest Job: Critic____________________

..just keep it in mind.  Not that I don't criticize!! 8^d.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jan 8, 2008 12:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

disarticulate your responses ...

... and careful where you're pointing that "unreasonable inference" stick.

I very specifically stated that the AYCE plan "is (especially with the A's application of it, as FSU notes below) a way to maximize revenue/attendee without actually devoting any extra resources/expenditures" -- and I double-Dogfather-dare you to refute that. The reason the Dodgers and Slegna adopted this plan -- and the A's are copycatting it -- is that, on aggregate, most people who buy the tix don't max out their consumption, especially those who wouldn't have eaten that much attending on an a la carte basis; ergo, increase in revenue per attendee -- without actually providing any real value-add to most of the fans who buy those tickets.

Now, yes, FSU broke out the "Lew is targeting Milo Moneybags instead of Joe Lunchbucket" argument -- but tangentially (as is his wont), not specifically to describe this plan.

I think it's pollyannaism of steroid-denyer levels to fall back on the "Lew is just a Barnumesque crowd-pleaser and absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence" arguments. It's quite clear that the new stadium as planned will target a higher (and more aggregatedly corporate) demographic; is it not the height of simplicity (yes, I know, that can be taken a different way) to presume that Lew has an overarching plan and thinks ahead and coordinates the franchise's efforts across departments? Sure, that theory and my personal rawhide chewtoy of "the A's have undermarketed for years in order to get a new stadium/location" could be wrong -- but they are simple, they do explain many otherwise disparate or unmotivated actions, and they are not necessarily indicative of evil intent (I think they're both very shrewd and apt approaches by management) merely of profit-motivated intent (which is surely the most simple, banal, and conventional of motivations for ... entrepreneurs).

Your argument isn't really that these theories aren't simple enough -- it's just that you're tired of hearing them and/or you don't like them and/or you don't agree with them.

"If you're right" -- about what? I don't see any counter-theory there.

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 8, 2008 12:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Tough to make a living and keep up around here.

1--no intention to disarticulate, esp. on orders.  I simply don't care enough to go back an piss myself off all over again by developing an inventory of the respective conspiracy theories of the various theorists.  On the basis of how much I don't care, you might want to re-holster that turd you were about to fling -- might not be worth the effort.

2--pure/simple profit maximization is dramatically simpler than all these Machiavellian machinations variously attributed to Lew and Co. -- about their "real" vs. stated motivations, thinly-veiled intention to move away, straw men, Trojan horses etc. etc.  One is straight-forward, the other relies on complicated mis-direction -- on the order of the difference between a QB sneak and a statue-of-liberty play. So I'll stand by my argument, thanks.

3--it's "if I'm right" about the A's' intention to build the new stadium -- that "counter-theory" can be derived from the "Opening Day at Cisco" language, I think.  It is, after all, the logical conclusion of the straightforward profit-max model.          

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 8, 2008 6:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

what's more ...

... nowhere have I ever invoked the Grand Old Benevolent Owner theorem -- not only because I don't presume current ownership to act in such a way, but because I don't think owners ever acted in that way (on the whole, I think that sports-franchise ownership in this day and age is likely more responsive to and respectful of fan desires and experiences (or at least the ones that can be monetized) than ever before). And IIRC, FSU has made pretty much this same argument himself on more than one occasion.

And while I'm at it -- this dumb-as-a-post, implement-it-with-no-real-value-added copycattism is precisely what I was talking about in terms of the marketing/customer-relations moves the franchise makes that, were Beane to adopt analogous approaches with the roster, we'd crucify him for.

So why, exactly, is criticism of the roster open for debate along those lines, but criticism of the fan experience ain't?

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 8, 2008 1:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Criticize away -- I don't think the team markets

... very well either, fwiw.  

It's the assumption that that dark secrets underlie every move that I think has been vastly overdone.  If you ain't overdid it, then I'm not complaining about you.  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 8, 2008 7:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

now I just can't help myself ...

I honestly think the organization will need a sea-change in attitude/approach/budgeting for these matters when/if they move into Cisco. The problem with marketing to a higher demographic with higher prices is that the new consumer demographic will be far more demanding.

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 8, 2008 1:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yep. It's always harder to win new customers ...

... than to keep existing ones, too.  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 8, 2008 7:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Two needless points
  1.  It's so much easier to tar arguments with the nefarious/conspiracy brush than it is to actually deal with them.  No one says here that the inconsequential View Level Pig Out idea is the linchpin of an evil master plan, just that it fits with their business model geared towards more per-fan-dollar return.  Do you dispute that's their intent?  Seems pretty obvious, most other teams already do that, and, as monkey notes, it's the simplest explanation.
  1.  You may have intended to make the "there's no benevolent ownership argument."  I would have agreed (though perhaps wondered why you had to again belabor that painfully obvious truth).  But what you said was "perhaps there's another team."  If you don't want to be mis-framed, you might consider your words more carefully.  Though it may not resonate with you, and you say wasn't your intent, the "why don't you move to Russia" theme is one which I remember very clearly and painfully, and is a very sore point for me.
Edging his way along the crowded paths of life, putting a Milo on all human sympathy and feeling the richer for it.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 8, 2008 1:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

in former Soviet Union ...

... why doesn't Russia move to you!

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 8, 2008 3:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

...followed by two superfluous rejoinders ...

... just because.

1--the term "linchpin" is new, and yours, alone.  I do think you view the new section as "an inconsequential and ultimately doomed part" of an evil master plan.  It could also be as easily explained as "just something new," or "a way to draw new, hungry young men who watch hot-dog eating contests on ESPN" (or, most likely, a combination of them all).  I don't know their specific motivations -- it's the underlying evil master plan theory that I dispute, when there are easier explanations, every time.  

2--I belabor the ownership point only in counterpoint  to theories based on assumptions that a simple, profit-max model doesn't explain Ownership's actions.  I believe you pine for the Haases, and so think these guys should act like they did -- unless there's evil afoot.  

Obviously, the Borat point hit an unintended tender spot.  I believe my intent was contextually clear in the juxtaposition of "capitalist enterprise" with "team in Kazakhstan."  That said, I will endeavor to follow my Daddy's advice and "speak so I can't be mis-understood" IF you promise to read my words for meaning, rather than  for ammunition.        

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 8, 2008 7:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

OK, so about that underlying evil master plan

I submit it's about maximizing profit for the ownership, by multiplying the value of their investment several times over through a new stadium, which will draw a crowd which pays more per ticket.  Shocking, I know.  An ancillary part of that plan is that they need not worry too much about the current segment of the fanbase that doesn't profit them much.  I've cite the third deck, the de-emphasis on public transit in the new park, the 80% decrease in $2 tix sold, the elimination of many discounts and the re-tiering of others toward pricier sections.

I have consistently articulated these views here for years.  How exactly is this conspiratorial?   Reads like capitalism 101 to me.

I say again: it is easy and simplistic to straw man an argument by calling it conspiratorial, nefarious, evil capitalist master plan mongering, etc etc etc.  Try dealing with the content...if you can stand reading words for meaning, rather than ammunition.

Edging his way along the crowded paths of life, putting a Milo on all human sympathy and feeling the richer for it.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 8, 2008 7:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Gawdammit! I "knew" I should have ...

... trademarked that phrase.  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 8, 2008 7:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

When my first royalty check rolls in

it's all yours (if you promise not to sue me).

Edging his way along the crowded paths of life, putting a Milo on all human sympathy and feeling the richer for it.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 8, 2008 7:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

LOL--it's a promise. Now, what about that crow?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 8, 2008 7:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Marketing in the Big Leagues

You're right, "Dogfather".  What marketing people do is look at other "successes" and then copy it, regardless of the fact that, taken as a "clean sheet" idea, it makes no sense.

First, look at the attendance at Dodger Stadium.  Does the Oakland Coliseum resemble that situation in any way, as a percent of occupied seats for a game? NO.

How is the weather in Southern Cali, compared to here?  I'm sure the weather for most games down at Chavez Ravine is much more amenable to "eating outdoors".

For those of us who like to go to the game for ONE REASON, to watch a Major League Baseball game, this type of "marketing" to bring in people who would otherwise be elsewhere unless "tipped into action" by a  non-baseball motivation... it simply degrades our outlook on the team's management.

It reminds me of the whole "music between innings" garbage.  Once someone did it, all the other teams needed to "We Do that!" with the idea, lest they be considered "uncreative".  The irony is, there is no creativity in copying others, it just spreads a bad idea everywhere.  Similar to "Smiley Faces" for your office, because someone else had them.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jan 8, 2008 11:26 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Also in the sense

that it seems to have attracted lots of rats.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jan 7, 2008 7:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

All you can drink beer?
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Jan 7, 2008 5:35 PM PST   0 recs

Yeah ...

for $6/cup ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jan 7, 2008 6:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i can dream
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Jan 7, 2008 9:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I would get way more

Than my 35 dollars worth if they had a free beer plan...lol

"I Will Not Relent, I Am Driven"... Clutch
Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on Jan 7, 2008 5:45 PM PST   0 recs

Yeah, right

At a basic ticket unit price of $9, and much less with various discounts and freebies, this deal appears to be offering me the right to pay $25-35 more than I usually would, to sit in worse seats and choose from a selection limited to the most pedestrian of ballpark food offerings.  I do believe I'll opt for quality burritos and affordable beverages on the preferred free pregame asphalt instead, followed by my choice in quality upgraded seating, made easier still by the ever more sparse crowds.

I keep expecting the $2 ticket days to be eliminated. This might be the year, as the team continues its campaign of excising the least profitable of their existing fanbase.  It's no accident, methinks, that this plan is aimed at the more conspicuously consuming of the ticket buying masses.

Edging his way along the crowded paths of life, putting a Milo on all human sympathy and feeling the richer for it.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 7, 2008 5:52 PM PST   0 recs

amen to that

For my part, I shall continue my practice of either quality-food-tailgating outside or home-roasting quality dogs and buns and bringing them in to avail myself of Lew's Free Condiment Stands.

Yes, people, my unethical cadging of free relish, kraut, and chopped onions is why Beane had to trade Swisher and Haren.

Believe it or not, it felt wonderful when blood spurted out. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 7, 2008 6:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

entreprenetuerial wheels kick in

Yes, Lew, I would like to get a permit to open a Quality Foods concession....uh, no, pedestrian walk the dog type foods, but I can pull a lot of folks in at first.

count-down to ST.

by ak_A on Jan 7, 2008 7:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Monkeyball -- the new Joe Gould n/t
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jan 7, 2008 7:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

as an ex-Section 317 regular

(and they were not bad seats if you enjoy sitting behind home plate), my first reaction was "is this April Fool's three months early?"

Then when I read that you have to eat at least $25 worth of crap, I was really disgusted.

No thanks, I'll stay in Section 226...

by OaklandSi on Jan 7, 2008 6:11 PM PST   0 recs

I used to sit in 317 a lot too.

I got used to it...and liked the seats for the money. But I would never ever pay that kind of money for those seats. I don't care much about the food...I usually have a hotdog and bring my own water. If it is cold I buy some coffee. I would much rather spend the 36 bucks on good lower level seats.

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 7, 2008 6:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe you can sneak up ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jan 7, 2008 6:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

freeseatdowngrade?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 7, 2008 10:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oh yay

Encouraging a heart disease and diabetes ridden America. Woohoo!

I am a bitter Red Sox fan.

by FlynnSox on Jan 8, 2008 8:51 AM PST   0 recs

All you can eat

Some regular patrons might need to buy two tickets . . .

by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jan 8, 2008 9:08 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm just trying to figure the money aspect.

Ok, we'll call it a $15 ticket since it's behind the plate. Let me figure how much ballpark food I have to eat for this to make sense for me.

When I get a hot dog at the park, I usually get a big dog, which was $6.75 last year. (I'm sure it'll be $7 or more this year, but let's go with last year's numbers.) I'll get a large soda with that, which I think was $4.50. I don't get peanuts or popcorn, but I might get nachos. I'm assuming these are plain nachos, with I think go for about four bucks. Throw in another soda for another $4.50 and an ice cream (probably either the ice cream bars or malt cups that tend to go for $3.50.) This is more than I usually eat, but let's assume that if I'm seeing in all-you-can-eat, I'm planning to eat more than normal, (i.e. I'll probably eat 2 or 3 hot dogs to match the big dog, etc, and assuming they're only giving small sodas, I might get a 3rd one if the game's not good enough that I want to prevent bathroom trips,)

$15.00 ticket
$ 6.75 big dog
$ 9.00 2 sodas
$ 4.00 nachos
$ 3.50 ice cream
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$38.25

So this is how I would need to eat for this ticket to make sense. If this was a "premium game" I'd be saving a whole quarter. Now, compare this to the ticket I actually buy and what I actually eat. (using last year's prices, since that's what I used in the previous comparison)

$10.00 bleacher ticket
$ 6.75 big dog
$ 4.50 soda
______
$21.25

I might get an order of nachos or an ice cream that day, but I also might get a BBQ sandwich or garlic fries or a beer or something else I can't get from the all-you-can-eat plan. Or I might head up to the west side club and get a taco salad or some fruity rum drink or whatever. For all-you-can-eat to make sense for a person, not only do you have to be of the mindset that you're there to stuff yourself, you have to be willing to stuff yourself only on what they actually give you there.

Yeah, this doesn't make sense.

by Nate on Jan 8, 2008 10:10 AM PST   0 recs

Indeed it makes no sense

..however you slice it.

That's why I maintain, the idea was presented as "Hey, look what the Dodgers are doing.  We could do something similar!" ...and no one did a "clean sheet analysis" like the reasonable patrons of AN have done.

Why not?

I realize "no one ever lost a buck underestimating the American public" but, does it have to be demonstrated, or attempt to be demonstrated, over and over???

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Pretty lame ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jan 8, 2008 12:50 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

re: arggh!

How goofy.  I've pined for my old seat ever since they sent me downstairs, but now I've got to pay way more for it than I can afford to.   OaklandSi pretty much summed up my feelings about it in her post.  I still think the seats in 317 are awesome... MUCH better than the one they've traded me in sect. 225.

I do however think this is a great deal for the customer who likes to "chain eat".  I've witnessed these sorts over the many years I've attended ballgames.  Think about it, these people do exist... they may even be among our ranks! I don't like to eat a lot of ballpark food, mostly  'cause I don't want to miss the game standing in lines, but also because I think the food is unreasonably priced.  But for the chain eaters out there, this could actually be a cost-effective ticket solution.  I have noticed though, that these also tend to be big beer drinkers as well, and I doubt the sodas are going to be appealing to them.

by Brian in 317 on Jan 8, 2008 12:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Whoa.

OaklandSi pretty much summed up my feelings about it in her post

Not that it makes a difference, but I always assumed she was a he.

LawDaddy's Signature

by JediLeroy on Jan 8, 2008 3:58 PM PST to parent up