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Kirk Saarloos signs minor league deal with Oakland

Welcome back Kirk.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/st.htm

For me, this is good news.  I wished that he would have stayed in Oakland all along, I thought he was a much better (much cheaper) option than signing Esteban Loaiza to the godawful contract that LAD thankfully took off our hands.

Star-divide

Anyway, I'm happy.  Kirk's a good dude, and when given the chance to be a full time starter he was a solid back of the rotation guy. See: 2005.  159 innings of 105 ERA+ for next to no salary at all.  If we can get that back, I'm a happy camper.

But yeah, I've gotten into many internet arguments on various A's boards about hating the fact that Saarloos wasn't given the 5th starter job straight away in 2006 and that Loaiza was signed.  Consider this my vindication.  How sweet it is.  :D

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God, how many pitchers do we need?

I'm kinda surprised we have any room in the entire system for anyone else.

I agree that Saarloos is a good guy to have around, though it's a little hard for me to say exactly what the practical difference between the Saarloos and no-Saarloos scenarios would be.

And I noticed in the transaction list you liked to that the M's have signed Arthur Rhodes to a minor-league contract, as well.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM PST   0 recs

Plus ca change-up

plus c'est la meme chose.

They hung a sign up in our town: "If you live it up, you won't live it down."

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 15, 2008 6:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

a person with vision

a very good call for you to suggest that they sign Saarloos, congrats

by cowman on Jan 15, 2008 7:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It was hward86 who called this

but you're right, I am a person of vision.  Very perceptive of you to notice, if I may say so.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jan 15, 2008 7:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

hward86

pretty much called it...

http://www.athleticsnation.com/comme...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 15, 2008 6:57 PM PST   0 recs

YES. YES.

I love this.

by BWH on Jan 15, 2008 8:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I really liked Saarloos as an A.

I didn't think he was a big talent but he was very professional and effective most of the time. He fullfilled his duties as a number 5 starter for us fairly well.
However, he did so poorly for Cinci last year...it worries me to see him back. We have enough so so pitchers.

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 15, 2008 7:03 PM PST   0 recs

you got to be fucking kidding me?

A Major League contract? When we already have our roster FULL as far as pitchers go? I could understand a minor league deal, but a MLB Contract, with a guy who nobody wants, and couldn't even get a minor league deal with anyone else?

by Zonis on Jan 15, 2008 7:08 PM PST   0 recs

Wait, nevermind. The Title of the diary...

is VERY misleading.

OAKLAND ATHLETICS-Agreed to terms with RHP Kirk Saarloos on a minor league contract

Saarloos was NOT given a MLB deal with Oakland.

by Zonis on Jan 15, 2008 7:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oops you are right, Zonis.

I thought that they meant with the A's too not the farm team.

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 15, 2008 7:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Look closer. I put M"i"LB contract

MiLB.com = Minor League Baseball homepage.

by mikev on Jan 15, 2008 7:53 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

No

Saarloos was signed to a minor league contract.

"I Will Not Relent, I Am Driven"... Clutch
Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on Jan 15, 2008 7:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

lenny and kirk

can battle it out for a spot in the rotation!

by gotgreen on Jan 15, 2008 7:11 PM PST   0 recs

umm, sorry to break it to you, but...

Saarloos and DiNardo are the same guy.

I know it's hard to believe, and it sure took a toll on him pitching multiple days in a row and flying back and forth between Cincy and Oakland, not to mention having to satisfy two wives and keep his secret identity secret...

At least now he can end his charade, and we can all root hard for Mr. DiSaardo.

"The more self-centered and egotistical a guy is, the better ballplayer he's going to be."- Bill "The Spaceman" Lee

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jan 16, 2008 1:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Narloos!
What the hell are these opposable thumbs doing for me, anyway? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 16, 2008 3:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

More impressive is the fact that

Kirny DiNarloos is ambidextrous.

by thejd44 on Jan 18, 2008 12:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

This time around, he needs to go by

Saaarlooos. Mostly so that when we pick him up again at age 38, he can be Saaaarloooos.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 15, 2008 7:15 PM PST   0 recs

some would argue that he's already

sAAAArloss

And when he's 38, he'll meet the minimum age requirement, and join the Giants.

by Zonis on Jan 15, 2008 7:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

This year's version of Colby Lewis

Saarloos will probably show up in Oakland at some point, but he is around mainly to fill up the River Cats' rotation and allow the organization to keep some of the real prospects at Midland rather than rushing them to AAA.

by Soaker on Jan 15, 2008 7:19 PM PST   0 recs

I do wish Kirk the best.
If he's successful I will be very happy for him.  Surprised but happy.

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 15, 2008 7:26 PM PST   0 recs

Everyone seems to have the idea that Saars

will join the A's rotation sometime this year. I personally don't see that happening. I don't even see him joining the bullpen, we have too many players ahead of him that are better.

Saarloos has never really had an awe-inspiring K rate in the Majors, nor a good WHIP, and now no longer can put together a good ERA. He had a 3.95 ERA in the NL last year and a 7,17 ERA in the minors.

As I see it, the following players would be ahead of him for an MLB job, discounting the obvious locks. In no order;

Dan Meyer
Dana Eveland
Jeremey Blevins
Gio Gonzalez
Andrew Brown
Dallas Braden
Joey Devine
Lenny DiNardo
Santiago Casilla
Brad Ziegler
Jeff Gray
Greg Smith

Thats a lot of frogs to leap to get to the Majors, and a lot of potential injuries.

by Zonis on Jan 15, 2008 7:59 PM PST   0 recs

Exactly - I have Saarloos down

as the Opening Day starter.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 15, 2008 8:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Nope

Harden will sit out most of spring training, throw a few B games trying to save himself for the season. He will then start opening day, throw 17 pitches, 16 for strikes and THEN leave the game with an injury. That is when Saarloos will enter the game and throw 6 strong innings. AN will then call for him to be our #1 starter and to trade Harden to the Dodgers. Billy will pick up for Harden 6 Dodger dogs, 3 with everything and the other 3 plain, just so he can send them to the minors for more seasoning hoping to be ready in 2009-10.

by ChickenStanley on Jan 15, 2008 8:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

No-this is the A's in a nutshell

"HELP-IM IN A NUTSHELL..oh man, the shell is locked and there is no one here to break it down anymore.  And now I strained a muscle trying to break the shell and will be day-to-day."

by 5Aces on Jan 15, 2008 9:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

And no Macha

to break down the door to the nutshell with a kung fu kick.

I'm not a big wine guy... Where do you grow the BEER?

by str8tarrow on Jan 16, 2008 6:11 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Don't forget Jerry Blevins

I think I'm going to start calling you Zambonis

LawDaddy's Signature

by JediLeroy on Jan 15, 2008 8:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Goes to junk drawer

to find that drink coaster Kirk signed in the Field Irish Pub back in....when was that...2005 or 06?  And to think I could have gotten it co-signed by Robert Buan...thus tripling its value.

count-down to ST.

by ak_A on Jan 15, 2008 8:24 PM PST   0 recs

Three times nothing...

... is still nothing.

by LoveDemAs on Jan 16, 2008 8:53 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

What this does

is open possibilities to trade Blanton without necessarily gunning for a Major League ready starter.  Of all the pitchers Zonis listed, none can be counted on to pitch full seasons.  If Blanton is traded, and assuming the A's don't get a 2008 rotation competitor in return, I count 8 guys who could start.

Harden - MAJOR injury concerns
Duke - slightly smaller injury concerns
Gaudin - ditto
Eveland - never pitched a full season
Smith - never pitched a major league inning
DiNardo - oddly, the most reliable guy in the rotation, or bullpen
Meyer - Injury history, poor results in limited MLB experience
Braden - Poor results in limited MLB experience.

Add Saarloos and you've got 9.  9 pitchers to spread out roughly 1000 innings of work.  I considered leaving Harden off the list entirely, due to his certain uncertainty.  

Nine potential starters isn't too many.  In fact, it may be too few.  Save for Blanton, I'll bet anybody here a Sacagawea dollar that nobody in the A's organization right now throws 190 innings next year.  

Saarloos had a bad year last year, but only threw 43 innings.  In 305 innings with the A's, he compiled a 4.43 ERA.  Not terrible, actually pretty average, especially for a minor league contract.

Better Saarloos for the minimum than Loaiza for $7 million.

by BWH on Jan 15, 2008 8:48 PM PST   0 recs

I'll take that bet

I think Gaudin will go 190+

by Colorado Fan on Jan 15, 2008 10:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

me too
President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 15, 2008 11:33 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

IF Gaudin does pitch 190 innings...

....then he'll probably pitch most of them for someone else. If he's healthy enough to eat up that many innings, he's prime trade bait at the deadline. Does anyone on this thread realistically think that a guy generously listed at 5'10" can have a durable career as a pseudo-power pitcher in the loaded AL? It's just a matter of time before he breaks down again and finds a permanent spot in somebody's pen. Let's hope he does start off well so he can build up value!

by kitoko on Jan 16, 2008 6:35 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Fastball/Sinker/Slider/Change

I wouldn't call Gaudin a "pseudo-power pitcher".  He throws 4-Pitches, and is very erratic at time... His best pitch is his low-90's Sinker.

Gaudin might have some trade value after putting up another 190+ this season, but not before the trade deadline.

by Colorado Fan on Jan 16, 2008 10:06 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Does he actually throw a 4-seam fastball?

I was under the impression (and his pitch chart over at THT does nothing to disprove this) that he threw pretty much exclusively sinking (2-seam) fastballs.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 16, 2008 10:42 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Tough to tell

But I would say that the majority of his fastballs are 2-Seamers w/ sink.

by Colorado Fan on Jan 16, 2008 4:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i would say

there probably isn't a big enough frame of work for someone to give us a deal that would really be worth it for him. this time next year, after he wins 15-17 games, maybe it's a different story.

President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 16, 2008 7:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'd take the bet

I don't know who will go 190 innings, but I think it's more likely than not that someone will.

(Besides, Sacagawea dollars are cool.)

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Jan 16, 2008 1:01 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

why did we sign him?

david forst says:

"We need as many bodies as we can get and Kirk is looking for a place to get himself back on the map," A's assistant general manager David Forst said. "It's good risk/reward from our standpoint and Kirk is a good guy to have around."

and kirk says:

"There's hardly anyone I even know," Saarloos said. "But it's exciting, it kind of feels like when I first came over, like I'm back where I started - coming into the spring not on the roster and trying to win a spot."

and on his terrible season with the Reds:

"Nothing seemed to go right," he said. "But the A's know what I can do and I think this is the best fit for me. Oakland's going young, they're in a rebuilding phase, and for me, it's a great opportunity because they might need a little filler so they don't have to rush these young guys or start their clocks too soon."

link

by gotgreen on Jan 15, 2008 8:56 PM PST   0 recs

Yaaay!

"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on Jan 15, 2008 9:27 PM PST   0 recs

God, the A's offseason is not a pretty sight

26 comments on a diary about signing Kirk Saarloos to a minor league contract.

I wonder what it's like to be a fan of a team that signs actual good players in free agency.

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 15, 2008 9:31 PM PST   0 recs

Giants fans.

You're describing Giants fans.

by BWH on Jan 15, 2008 9:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

No, I said GOOD players

Not "overpaid players who were good five years ago."

cardinalprecepts.blogspot.com

by PaulThomas on Jan 15, 2008 9:50 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I was referring to

Rowand, mainly.  Good player if you don't factor in his salary.

by BWH on Jan 15, 2008 9:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Rivercats do have a AAA

Championship to win...

by OldhamA on Jan 15, 2008 9:43 PM PST   0 recs

How 'bout Ryan Goleski?

He's buried in the Indian's system, and we could still use a Right Fielder, I bet he'd be cheap now.

by connie mack on Jan 15, 2008 9:53 PM PST   0 recs

according to Forst the A's need

"bodies", that's why they signed Saarloos to a minor league contract with a spring training invite.

Think about it. Even if they don't trade Blanton, they are looking at a rotation that could include some combination of Meyer/Eveland/DiNardo/Braden (gulp...Windsor?Komine?)...

Gaudin won't be ready at the beginning of the season. Harden cannot be assumed to stay healthy.

So yeah, Saarloos is a body.

by OaklandSi on Jan 15, 2008 9:59 PM PST   0 recs

the Chron article linked above

also quotes Saarloos as saying he'd be "filler" -- presumably so the A's wouldn't have to rush some of their new young prospects up to start.

We'll probably see Saarloos and DiNardo in the rotation to begin the season...they may be the #2 and 3 starters (assuming that Blanton isn't traded, and Harden isn't healthy).

by OaklandSi on Jan 15, 2008 10:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Saarloos seeing himself as filler

At least he's honest and knows his place. And I actually respect him more for that. Most players seem to be pretty arrogant, at least when it comes to interviews, and believe that no matter what they do, where they sign or what they sign for, they are the most important piece. I guess you can call that competitive drive, but I remember there was a pitcher the A's signed a few years ago to a minor league contract from CIncinatti who assumed that, since he was signed to a minor league deal, he'd be the A's #4 starter.

Saars knows that there is a slim chance he will make it to the Majors again, at least with out a very good AAA season, and he knows that at this point he might well be a placeholder or filler for Sacramento. But I'd rather have that then someone like Ryan Sweeney, who was quoted as saying that he saw nothing wrong with his 2007 AAA campaign, and acted like he was better than most other prospects and players and that he was already an above average MLB player.

by Zonis on Jan 15, 2008 10:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, you can tell he's an A

when he talks about starting their arbitration clocks.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Jan 16, 2008 1:02 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

lol

That's exactly what I thought.

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Jan 16, 2008 3:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That link doesn't want to work for me...

Is this the same article?

"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Jan 16, 2008 7:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Jack Cust

was just "plasma", so if Kirk Saarloos is a body he might rack up 300 K's this season.

by Sigur Ros on Jan 16, 2008 10:28 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Great News!

I wonder if Keiichi Yabu is still available.

by Jeremy Belvins on Jan 15, 2008 10:14 PM PST   0 recs

Wouldn't surprise me

to see Langerhans show up as signed again too, at this rate.

count-down to ST.

by ak_A on Jan 15, 2008 10:36 PM PST   0 recs

Where's ol' Brad Halsey these days?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jan 15, 2008 11:33 PM PST   0 recs

Halsey is currently on the Rivercats roster
"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Jan 16, 2008 1:05 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

dark days in Oakland, dark days

The sad thing is that he might be our best starter if Blanton is traded and Gaudin starts the year on the DL.  

Next signing:  John Wasdin

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jan 16, 2008 1:35 AM PST   0 recs

Thankfully Wasdin....

signed with our ol' buddy Tony LaRussa and the StL. Cardinals

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Jan 16, 2008 11:42 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

wow, didn't know he was even still playing

I just picked some random dude from the mid-90's A's.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jan 17, 2008 2:15 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Brad Fisher

Buried in the same USA transaction listing was:

PITTSBURGH PIRATES-Agreed to terms with 1B Adam LaRoche on a one-year contract. Named Brad Fischer manager, Sid Bream coach and Wilson Alvarez pitching coach for State College (NYP) and Gary Green manager for Hickory (SAL).

So it was good to see that Fish hooked (no pun intended)on with someone, even if it only was in the Pittsburg minor league system.  I remember many a chat with Fish in the A's bullpen, where my season tickets are located.  He's a great guy and still wonder how he rubbed BB wrong to get the heavy ho after more than 20 years in the A's organization.

by robertmelvin on Jan 16, 2008 2:34 AM PST   0 recs

Amen!

I miss Buckley too, already.

My favorite A's bullpen moment was when Buckley chatted up a young parent with an adopted baby from Albania in the front row, and asked where Albania was.  After I gave my little 30 second "History Of Albania" lecturelet, we ended up  chatting between innings about philosophy and European history, and Huston Street complimeted me on my yellow '76 Pirates cap.  That was a good day... That and the A's beating Cleveland 12-4.  Saarloos piched a great game.

"The more self-centered and egotistical a guy is, the better ballplayer he's going to be."- Bill "The Spaceman" Lee

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jan 16, 2008 1:33 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

wait a minute

buckley must have gotten his teaching degree...haven't seen him since last year. he used to come around and coach catchers at chabot every once in a while when i played there. what a shame.

President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Jan 16, 2008 7:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Welcome Back CPT Kirk

Now go kick some AAA butt!

Take two pills and call me in the morning.

by Crapper Jon on Jan 16, 2008 4:35 AM PST   0 recs

hey a pitcher

who's thrown in a no hitter

for whatever that's worth, I guess not much

he's also part of a major league record iirc

Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC

by closetasfan on Jan 16, 2008 6:09 AM PST   0 recs

I never understood...

...why people absolutely LOVED Saarloos, while everyone hated Joe Kennedy. They seemed like the same type of pitcher to me. THeir numbers are pretty similar.

Saarloos isn't really a good pitcher. I doubt he even makes are very thin rotation...or even makes the team.

Also keep in mind Saarloos's "good" year with us, he put up a 2.9K/9IP.

Ranked 207 out of 211 pitchers...

Juan Pierre: 44 Million Dollars, Juan Pierre's 3.4 WARP3: Priceless

by Travis Buck Nuckin on Jan 16, 2008 1:49 PM PST   0 recs

saarloos vs kennedy

-saarloos is an overachiever
-we traded chad harville (not duke) for saarloos, byrnes/omar q for kennedy/payton
-saarloos once had a semi mohawk
-saarloos once removed a mouse from the field using his hat (photo was in the chronicle)
-saarloos almost gave us an entire rotation of sub 4 ERAs in 05
-saarloos isn't a complainer
-saarloos was in moneyball
-saarloos recognizes his own value (called himself "filler" whereas kennedy said the a's were cheap for getting rid of him)
-a's teammates said saarloos was the most competitive guy on the team, in both baseball and golf

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 16, 2008 2:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think we just answered

bbg's question as to who the next Scutaro would be: Saarloos is lovable but not very good, and he's back where AN can love him.  

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 16, 2008 3:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

But...

"hot little piece of Dutch man candy" doesn't have the same ring to it.

"It is almost impossible to exaggerate the complete unimportance of almost everything."

by Poppy on Jan 16, 2008 3:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

There have to be people somewhere in Venezuela

that wear wooden shoes . . .

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jan 16, 2008 4:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs