Kirk Saarloos signs minor league deal with Oakland
Welcome back Kirk.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/st.htm
For me, this is good news. I wished that he would have stayed in Oakland all along, I thought he was a much better (much cheaper) option than signing Esteban Loaiza to the godawful contract that LAD thankfully took off our hands.

Anyway, I'm happy. Kirk's a good dude, and when given the chance to be a full time starter he was a solid back of the rotation guy. See: 2005. 159 innings of 105 ERA+ for next to no salary at all. If we can get that back, I'm a happy camper.
But yeah, I've gotten into many internet arguments on various A's boards about hating the fact that Saarloos wasn't given the 5th starter job straight away in 2006 and that Loaiza was signed. Consider this my vindication. How sweet it is. :D
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God, how many pitchers do we need?
I'm kinda surprised we have any room in the entire system for anyone else.
I agree that Saarloos is a good guy to have around, though it's a little hard for me to say exactly what the practical difference between the Saarloos and no-Saarloos scenarios would be.
And I noticed in the transaction list you liked to that the M's have signed Arthur Rhodes to a minor-league contract, as well.
by Nick on Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM PST 0 recs
Plus ca change-up
plus c'est la meme chose.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Jan 15, 2008 6:58 PM PST
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a person with vision
a very good call for you to suggest that they sign Saarloos, congrats
by cowman on
Jan 15, 2008 7:11 PM PST
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It was hward86 who called this
but you're right, I am a person of vision. Very perceptive of you to notice, if I may say so.
by Nick on
Jan 15, 2008 7:21 PM PST
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hward86
pretty much called it...
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comme...
by xbhaskarx on Jan 15, 2008 6:57 PM PST 0 recs
I really liked Saarloos as an A.
I didn't think he was a big talent but he was very professional and effective most of the time. He fullfilled his duties as a number 5 starter for us fairly well.
However, he did so poorly for Cinci last year...it worries me to see him back. We have enough so so pitchers.
by IM4Oakgal on Jan 15, 2008 7:03 PM PST 0 recs
you got to be fucking kidding me?
A Major League contract? When we already have our roster FULL as far as pitchers go? I could understand a minor league deal, but a MLB Contract, with a guy who nobody wants, and couldn't even get a minor league deal with anyone else?
by Zonis on Jan 15, 2008 7:08 PM PST 0 recs
Wait, nevermind. The Title of the diary...
is VERY misleading.
OAKLAND ATHLETICS-Agreed to terms with RHP Kirk Saarloos on a minor league contract
Saarloos was NOT given a MLB deal with Oakland.
by Zonis on
Jan 15, 2008 7:09 PM PST
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Oops you are right, Zonis.
I thought that they meant with the A's too not the farm team.
by IM4Oakgal on
Jan 15, 2008 7:12 PM PST
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Look closer. I put M"i"LB contract
MiLB.com = Minor League Baseball homepage.
by mikev on
Jan 15, 2008 7:53 PM PST
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No
Saarloos was signed to a minor league contract.
by Shippee33 on
Jan 15, 2008 7:12 PM PST
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lenny and kirk
can battle it out for a spot in the rotation!
by gotgreen on Jan 15, 2008 7:11 PM PST 0 recs
umm, sorry to break it to you, but...
Saarloos and DiNardo are the same guy.
I know it's hard to believe, and it sure took a toll on him pitching multiple days in a row and flying back and forth between Cincy and Oakland, not to mention having to satisfy two wives and keep his secret identity secret...
At least now he can end his charade, and we can all root hard for Mr. DiSaardo.
by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on
Jan 16, 2008 1:22 PM PST
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Narloos!
by monkeyball on
Jan 16, 2008 3:31 PM PST
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More impressive is the fact that
Kirny DiNarloos is ambidextrous.
by thejd44 on
Jan 18, 2008 12:43 AM PST
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This time around, he needs to go by
Saaarlooos. Mostly so that when we pick him up again at age 38, he can be Saaaarloooos.
by Nico on Jan 15, 2008 7:15 PM PST 0 recs
This year's version of Colby Lewis
Saarloos will probably show up in Oakland at some point, but he is around mainly to fill up the River Cats' rotation and allow the organization to keep some of the real prospects at Midland rather than rushing them to AAA.
by Soaker on Jan 15, 2008 7:19 PM PST 0 recs
I do wish Kirk the best.
by IM4Oakgal on Jan 15, 2008 7:26 PM PST 0 recs
Everyone seems to have the idea that Saars
will join the A's rotation sometime this year. I personally don't see that happening. I don't even see him joining the bullpen, we have too many players ahead of him that are better.
Saarloos has never really had an awe-inspiring K rate in the Majors, nor a good WHIP, and now no longer can put together a good ERA. He had a 3.95 ERA in the NL last year and a 7,17 ERA in the minors.
As I see it, the following players would be ahead of him for an MLB job, discounting the obvious locks. In no order;
Dan Meyer
Dana Eveland
Jeremey Blevins
Gio Gonzalez
Andrew Brown
Dallas Braden
Joey Devine
Lenny DiNardo
Santiago Casilla
Brad Ziegler
Jeff Gray
Greg Smith
Thats a lot of frogs to leap to get to the Majors, and a lot of potential injuries.
by Zonis on Jan 15, 2008 7:59 PM PST 0 recs
That is the A's in a nutshell
a lot of potential injuries.
by theblackpearl on
Jan 15, 2008 8:09 PM PST
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Exactly - I have Saarloos down
as the Opening Day starter.
by Nico on
Jan 15, 2008 8:11 PM PST
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Nope
Harden will sit out most of spring training, throw a few B games trying to save himself for the season. He will then start opening day, throw 17 pitches, 16 for strikes and THEN leave the game with an injury. That is when Saarloos will enter the game and throw 6 strong innings. AN will then call for him to be our #1 starter and to trade Harden to the Dodgers. Billy will pick up for Harden 6 Dodger dogs, 3 with everything and the other 3 plain, just so he can send them to the minors for more seasoning hoping to be ready in 2009-10.
by ChickenStanley on
Jan 15, 2008 8:30 PM PST
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No-this is the A's in a nutshell
"HELP-IM IN A NUTSHELL..oh man, the shell is locked and there is no one here to break it down anymore. And now I strained a muscle trying to break the shell and will be day-to-day."
by 5Aces on
Jan 15, 2008 9:05 PM PST
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And no Macha
to break down the door to the nutshell with a kung fu kick.
by str8tarrow on
Jan 16, 2008 6:11 AM PST
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Don't forget Jerry Blevins
I think I'm going to start calling you Zambonis
by JediLeroy on
Jan 15, 2008 8:17 PM PST
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Goes to junk drawer
to find that drink coaster Kirk signed in the Field Irish Pub back in....when was that...2005 or 06? And to think I could have gotten it co-signed by Robert Buan...thus tripling its value.
by ak_A on Jan 15, 2008 8:24 PM PST 0 recs
What this does
is open possibilities to trade Blanton without necessarily gunning for a Major League ready starter. Of all the pitchers Zonis listed, none can be counted on to pitch full seasons. If Blanton is traded, and assuming the A's don't get a 2008 rotation competitor in return, I count 8 guys who could start.
Harden - MAJOR injury concerns
Duke - slightly smaller injury concerns
Gaudin - ditto
Eveland - never pitched a full season
Smith - never pitched a major league inning
DiNardo - oddly, the most reliable guy in the rotation, or bullpen
Meyer - Injury history, poor results in limited MLB experience
Braden - Poor results in limited MLB experience.
Add Saarloos and you've got 9. 9 pitchers to spread out roughly 1000 innings of work. I considered leaving Harden off the list entirely, due to his certain uncertainty.
Nine potential starters isn't too many. In fact, it may be too few. Save for Blanton, I'll bet anybody here a Sacagawea dollar that nobody in the A's organization right now throws 190 innings next year.
Saarloos had a bad year last year, but only threw 43 innings. In 305 innings with the A's, he compiled a 4.43 ERA. Not terrible, actually pretty average, especially for a minor league contract.
Better Saarloos for the minimum than Loaiza for $7 million.
by BWH on Jan 15, 2008 8:48 PM PST 0 recs
I'll take that bet
I think Gaudin will go 190+
by Colorado Fan on
Jan 15, 2008 10:55 PM PST
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me too
by flipgatey3 on
Jan 15, 2008 11:33 PM PST
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IF Gaudin does pitch 190 innings...
....then he'll probably pitch most of them for someone else. If he's healthy enough to eat up that many innings, he's prime trade bait at the deadline. Does anyone on this thread realistically think that a guy generously listed at 5'10" can have a durable career as a pseudo-power pitcher in the loaded AL? It's just a matter of time before he breaks down again and finds a permanent spot in somebody's pen. Let's hope he does start off well so he can build up value!
by kitoko on
Jan 16, 2008 6:35 AM PST
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Fastball/Sinker/Slider/Change
I wouldn't call Gaudin a "pseudo-power pitcher". He throws 4-Pitches, and is very erratic at time... His best pitch is his low-90's Sinker.
Gaudin might have some trade value after putting up another 190+ this season, but not before the trade deadline.
by Colorado Fan on
Jan 16, 2008 10:06 AM PST
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Does he actually throw a 4-seam fastball?
I was under the impression (and his pitch chart over at THT does nothing to disprove this) that he threw pretty much exclusively sinking (2-seam) fastballs.
by PaulThomas on
Jan 16, 2008 10:42 AM PST
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Tough to tell
But I would say that the majority of his fastballs are 2-Seamers w/ sink.
by Colorado Fan on
Jan 16, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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i would say
there probably isn't a big enough frame of work for someone to give us a deal that would really be worth it for him. this time next year, after he wins 15-17 games, maybe it's a different story.
by flipgatey3 on
Jan 16, 2008 7:31 PM PST
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I'd take the bet
I don't know who will go 190 innings, but I think it's more likely than not that someone will.
(Besides, Sacagawea dollars are cool.)
by iglew on
Jan 16, 2008 1:01 AM PST
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why did we sign him?
david forst says:
"We need as many bodies as we can get and Kirk is looking for a place to get himself back on the map," A's assistant general manager David Forst said. "It's good risk/reward from our standpoint and Kirk is a good guy to have around."
and kirk says:
"There's hardly anyone I even know," Saarloos said. "But it's exciting, it kind of feels like when I first came over, like I'm back where I started - coming into the spring not on the roster and trying to win a spot."
and on his terrible season with the Reds:
"Nothing seemed to go right," he said. "But the A's know what I can do and I think this is the best fit for me. Oakland's going young, they're in a rebuilding phase, and for me, it's a great opportunity because they might need a little filler so they don't have to rush these young guys or start their clocks too soon."
by gotgreen on Jan 15, 2008 8:56 PM PST 0 recs
Yaaay!

by drmmerchk on Jan 15, 2008 9:27 PM PST 0 recs
God, the A's offseason is not a pretty sight
26 comments on a diary about signing Kirk Saarloos to a minor league contract.
I wonder what it's like to be a fan of a team that signs actual good players in free agency.
by PaulThomas on Jan 15, 2008 9:31 PM PST 0 recs
No, I said GOOD players
Not "overpaid players who were good five years ago."
by PaulThomas on
Jan 15, 2008 9:50 PM PST
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I was referring to
Rowand, mainly. Good player if you don't factor in his salary.
by BWH on
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Or all those years he wasn't that good
like 2005.
And 2006.
by Nate on
Jan 16, 2008 12:12 AM PST
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I thought it was just because people liked me.
Hrmph.
by mikev on
Jan 15, 2008 10:58 PM PST
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How 'bout Ryan Goleski?
He's buried in the Indian's system, and we could still use a Right Fielder, I bet he'd be cheap now.
by connie mack on Jan 15, 2008 9:53 PM PST 0 recs
according to Forst the A's need
"bodies", that's why they signed Saarloos to a minor league contract with a spring training invite.
Think about it. Even if they don't trade Blanton, they are looking at a rotation that could include some combination of Meyer/Eveland/DiNardo/Braden (gulp...Windsor?Komine?)...
Gaudin won't be ready at the beginning of the season. Harden cannot be assumed to stay healthy.
So yeah, Saarloos is a body.
by OaklandSi on Jan 15, 2008 9:59 PM PST 0 recs
the Chron article linked above
also quotes Saarloos as saying he'd be "filler" -- presumably so the A's wouldn't have to rush some of their new young prospects up to start.
We'll probably see Saarloos and DiNardo in the rotation to begin the season...they may be the #2 and 3 starters (assuming that Blanton isn't traded, and Harden isn't healthy).
by OaklandSi on
Jan 15, 2008 10:25 PM PST
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Saarloos seeing himself as filler
At least he's honest and knows his place. And I actually respect him more for that. Most players seem to be pretty arrogant, at least when it comes to interviews, and believe that no matter what they do, where they sign or what they sign for, they are the most important piece. I guess you can call that competitive drive, but I remember there was a pitcher the A's signed a few years ago to a minor league contract from CIncinatti who assumed that, since he was signed to a minor league deal, he'd be the A's #4 starter.
Saars knows that there is a slim chance he will make it to the Majors again, at least with out a very good AAA season, and he knows that at this point he might well be a placeholder or filler for Sacramento. But I'd rather have that then someone like Ryan Sweeney, who was quoted as saying that he saw nothing wrong with his 2007 AAA campaign, and acted like he was better than most other prospects and players and that he was already an above average MLB player.
by Zonis on
Jan 15, 2008 10:51 PM PST
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Yeah, you can tell he's an A
when he talks about starting their arbitration clocks.
by iglew on
Jan 16, 2008 1:02 AM PST
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lol
That's exactly what I thought.
by batgirl on
Jan 16, 2008 3:30 PM PST
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A body with his arms and legs still attached
Just what Oakland needs.
by grover on
Jan 15, 2008 10:28 PM PST
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That link doesn't want to work for me...
Is this the same article?
by Poppy on
Jan 16, 2008 7:33 AM PST
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Jack Cust
was just "plasma", so if Kirk Saarloos is a body he might rack up 300 K's this season.
by Sigur Ros on
Jan 16, 2008 10:28 AM PST
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Great News!
I wonder if Keiichi Yabu is still available.
by Jeremy Belvins on Jan 15, 2008 10:14 PM PST 0 recs
Wouldn't surprise me
to see Langerhans show up as signed again too, at this rate.
by ak_A on Jan 15, 2008 10:36 PM PST 0 recs
Where's ol' Brad Halsey these days?
by The Dogfather on Jan 15, 2008 11:33 PM PST 0 recs
Halsey is currently on the Rivercats roster
by iglew on
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dark days in Oakland, dark days
The sad thing is that he might be our best starter if Blanton is traded and Gaudin starts the year on the DL.
Next signing: John Wasdin
by jubjub on Jan 16, 2008 1:35 AM PST 0 recs
Thankfully Wasdin....
signed with our ol' buddy Tony LaRussa and the StL. Cardinals
by athleticsBB4life on
Jan 16, 2008 11:42 AM PST
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wow, didn't know he was even still playing
I just picked some random dude from the mid-90's A's.
by jubjub on
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Brad Fisher
Buried in the same USA transaction listing was:
PITTSBURGH PIRATES-Agreed to terms with 1B Adam LaRoche on a one-year contract. Named Brad Fischer manager, Sid Bream coach and Wilson Alvarez pitching coach for State College (NYP) and Gary Green manager for Hickory (SAL).
So it was good to see that Fish hooked (no pun intended)on with someone, even if it only was in the Pittsburg minor league system. I remember many a chat with Fish in the A's bullpen, where my season tickets are located. He's a great guy and still wonder how he rubbed BB wrong to get the heavy ho after more than 20 years in the A's organization.
by robertmelvin on Jan 16, 2008 2:34 AM PST 0 recs
Amen!
I miss Buckley too, already.
My favorite A's bullpen moment was when Buckley chatted up a young parent with an adopted baby from Albania in the front row, and asked where Albania was. After I gave my little 30 second "History Of Albania" lecturelet, we ended up chatting between innings about philosophy and European history, and Huston Street complimeted me on my yellow '76 Pirates cap. That was a good day... That and the A's beating Cleveland 12-4. Saarloos piched a great game.
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wait a minute
buckley must have gotten his teaching degree...haven't seen him since last year. he used to come around and coach catchers at chabot every once in a while when i played there. what a shame.
by flipgatey3 on
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Welcome Back CPT Kirk
Now go kick some AAA butt!
by Crapper Jon on Jan 16, 2008 4:35 AM PST 0 recs
hey a pitcher
who's thrown in a no hitter
for whatever that's worth, I guess not much
he's also part of a major league record iirc
by closetasfan on Jan 16, 2008 6:09 AM PST 0 recs
Shutout at Seattle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...
Anyone remember this game?
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jan 16, 2008 1:15 PM PST 0 recs
I never understood...
...why people absolutely LOVED Saarloos, while everyone hated Joe Kennedy. They seemed like the same type of pitcher to me. THeir numbers are pretty similar.
Saarloos isn't really a good pitcher. I doubt he even makes are very thin rotation...or even makes the team.
Also keep in mind Saarloos's "good" year with us, he put up a 2.9K/9IP.
Ranked 207 out of 211 pitchers...
by Travis Buck Nuckin on Jan 16, 2008 1:49 PM PST 0 recs
saarloos vs kennedy
-saarloos is an overachiever
-we traded chad harville (not duke) for saarloos, byrnes/omar q for kennedy/payton
-saarloos once had a semi mohawk
-saarloos once removed a mouse from the field using his hat (photo was in the chronicle)
-saarloos almost gave us an entire rotation of sub 4 ERAs in 05
-saarloos isn't a complainer
-saarloos was in moneyball
-saarloos recognizes his own value (called himself "filler" whereas kennedy said the a's were cheap for getting rid of him)
-a's teammates said saarloos was the most competitive guy on the team, in both baseball and golf
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I think we just answered
bbg's question as to who the next Scutaro would be: Saarloos is lovable but not very good, and he's back where AN can love him.
by BlameChannel53 on
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But...
"hot little piece of Dutch man candy" doesn't have the same ring to it.
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There have to be people somewhere in Venezuela
that wear wooden shoes . . .
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