Is Crosby Dumb?
by solotar on Sep 4, 2007 4:02 PM PDT
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PrintLike most on AN, I know I spend too much time following the A's.
But did you read what Crosby said to the Chron this morning?:
Crosby got the MLB TV package so he could follow the A's while away from the team, but he wasn't entirely up to date.
"I was kind of embarrassed today," Crosby said. "I came in and I didn't know Adam Melhuse was with us again. I was like, 'OK, the Rangers were just here... did Adam stay back after they were here?' For 15 seconds, I was totally flustered."
Not to be unkind, because the guy has always seemed like a good guy, but ... is Crosby stupid?
Remember the time when the A's were hoping to get Crosby back for a playoff series but his back tightened up when he walked a shopping mall all day the day before Game 1?
Wasn't that, um, stupid?
Not making an argument. Truly. Just wondering.
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I'm in no position to judge but...
he doesn't seem like he was ever the smartest cookie in the jar, like academically. I'm just saying...
Or
the sharpest tool in the shed..
by sf drift king on Sep 4, 2007 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
When he was on the DL in 2005
He sat in the booth for the telecasts of a few games. I actually enjoyed listening to him and didn't at all get the impression that he was dumb.
We all say stupid things at times.
I like how every time we say
"when so and so was on the DL," we have to add the date so people know which DL stint it was.
I like a diary title that can
be answered in one word.
"Yes."
Oh.. Macha knew
Or did you forget his substitution of J.Dye for Melhuse in game 5 of the 2003 playoffs?
by sf drift king on Sep 4, 2007 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
given that he could have inadvertently paralyzed himself by playing with a fractured vertebra, I don't think the "walking around a mall" made much of a difference.
That said, he's never exactly struck me as the brightest bulb in the pack, either. He's not borderline retarded like Manny, but then, he doesn't hit like Manny either.
Yes, of course Manny is borderline
retarded, based on rubbish published in tabloids.
Uh...most ballplayers are kind of stupid.
Not that this is any evidence about Crosby's intelligence, of course. But it's well known among sportswriters that baseball players are the dumbest athletes and football players are the smartest.
Are Baseball Players The Dumbest Athletes?
Let's see they have had enough sense to get the best collective bargaining agreement. Football players weren't smart enough to hire the right person to repesent them or to stick together during a strike. They are basically at will employees compared to baseball players. I heard Frank Deford characterized baseball players as being the least cooperative interviewees. This may be why other sportswriters characterize them as dumb. Deford suggest that baseball players support of the union has its roots in the way they are treated as minor leaguers -- pay, travel conditions. It results in an almost universal distrust of owmership.
by NoeValley on Sep 4, 2007 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
is it well known
that baseball players are the dumbest? what makes basketball, hockey, or soccer players any smarter?
i can believe that football players are the smartest, based on the massive amount of memorization and the split-second decisionmaking.
My experience is the opposite.
Football players are dumbasses. Hockey players are beyond dumbass level.
I've always found ballers to be pretty well clued in, and take their lack of chattiness as being a smart move in general, since sports journalists are asses.
Who would have guessed
the smartest most articulate athletes come from Mixed Martial Arts.
I mean, have you listened to some of those guys in interviews? They are well read, personable and intellegent guys.
Granted, there are a couple of knuckleheads, but many represent the best in sports.
Don't baseball players have the highest rate....
of players going to college? That doesn't necessarily mean baseball players are smarter but you gotta think it has a positive correlation. I think the far more likely explanation is that baseball players are harsher towards the media (understandable with ten times the contact compared to NFL) and the media is harsher to the players.
Plus since baseball has the most intellectual lure of the main sports, I have to think more baseball fans are smarter and therefore players are smarter than the average fan and player of another sport.
Almost all pro football players "go to college"
unlike many pro baseball players, who are drafted out of high school. Nowadays more or less all basketball players go to college as well.
Do they actually LEARN while in college? Not really. Of course, neither do college baseball players. I've long been an advocate of deferred scholarships (in which players can choose to defer tuition scholarships and play sports essentially full-time if they so choose) so that guys don't have to trade off their education with their practices. That way if they don't get drafted, or bust out of the pros in a few years, or just want to go back to school once their pro career is over, they aren't screwed. It seems far more sensible to me than the current system. As it is, in order to be a successful D-I football or basketball player, you either have to be insanely diligent, unusually smart, or willing to sacrifice your actual education in the hopes of a pro sports career.
more mlb players go to college
but that should change as more NFL players will start going as the colleges catch up with the Americans with Disability Act compliance.
your mom goes to college
don't football players ALL go to college? look at maurice clarett, he only went for a year and the NFL wouldn't let him into the league.
also, compare ex-baseball player analysts (joe morgan, john kruk, etc.) to ex-football players, even the good baseball players are just not that impressive. when those ex-football players break down plays and explain what happened, it's so complicated i don't even get it half the time.
the jags are cutting byron leftwich and he probably couldn't even be a starting QB for another NFL team this year, even if they desperately needed him. trades almost never happen in football for the same reason.
i'd say the only baseball position comparable to being a football player and having to learn various systems and playbooks and whatnot is catcher.
"well known among sportswriters"
I think I just broke my funny bone swinging too hard at that beach ball.
odd
I always heard biathletes were the dumbest. Archers are the smartest.
actually, now that I think about this one ...
... when did this "baseball players are the dumbest of all pro athletes" meme start?
I'd be willing to bet it gained traction right around the time that Latin American players started to really increase in numbers in the majors -- and I am NOT implying that LA ballplayers are in fact dumb, but that sportswriters think/thought of them as dumb due to the players not being native English speakers.
Sportswriters, in addition to being pretty dumb as a class themselves, ain't 'specially noted for their polyglot ways. They're also (and especially so in baseball, though overall less and less so), pretty durn white, pretty durn male, and pretty durn nativist.
but baseball players are the whitest
of any (non-ice hockey) sport! (but also the most latin-american...)
Is Solatar Rude and Uncalled for?
YES!
Grow up, ball players are not brilliant, we all know this. Do you have to be rude about it? No. Don't you have anything better to talk about and focus your energy on than a silly comment by Bobby? I certainly hope so!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Sep 4, 2007 4:36 PM PDT reply actions
This rant sponsored by the words ...
..."disinterested" and "unbiased."
by The Dogfather on Sep 4, 2007 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't see why crosby is "stupid"
and "dumb" because he didn't know melhuse was back with the A's.
i don't think he spends all his time on the DL surfing the internet for A's updates and is it his fault nobody on the team told him melhuse was back?
He needs to read AN
It would be pretty damn funny if Crosby posted a snarky reply here.
AN really IS the best place
for A's info!!
i mean, somebody (OaklandA23) even posts press releases before they appear on the A's official site! :)
LOL
[waits for Thunderbutt]
My real response:
If Bobby was only following along by EI, then yeah, he wouldn't have known. We've rarely had Bay Area coverage since Adam came back, so unless the other teams mentioned it... but seriously, why would they? No one really gave a damn Milhouse was back. I didn't. Maybe Adam's mother did, but that's it.
I read about it on AN. Bobby hasn't been in the Bay Area to read the papers, so unless he's online cruising for A's news, this one incident does not make him stupid.
dumb and dumber
Bobby did figure it out before I did - but he IS on the team, after all
my name is john olerud
Stupid?
Maybe. But, not knowing Adam Melhuse is back with team speaks more to a lack of intellectual curiosity than stupidity. When I think of stupid, I think of Lenny Dykstra (who now writes a column on thestreet.com picking stocks) and my wife's cousin (who, as a college freshman thought the Nile was in Arizona).
i dont think he's being totally serious.
i think he's joking...
by ConditionOakland on Sep 4, 2007 5:47 PM PDT reply actions
Boo Hoo
So Bobby didn't know that the third string catcher (who didn't even play as a second string catcher) is back on the team....
by Travis Buck Nuckin on Sep 4, 2007 5:52 PM PDT reply actions
Crosby:
Crosby is dumb at hitting, yes.
"Me Crosby, me like straight pitches! Me swing real hard!"
by SwisherSweet on Sep 4, 2007 6:48 PM PDT reply actions
Well he can't be that smart
seeing as it took him the better part of a season to realize it is easier to hit when you are closer than five feet away from the plate.
That's nothing--
It's the relearning curve that I'm worried about.
What am I saying? The curve alone is enough to strike him out.
When Crosby learned that...
..he forgot how to drive.
so dumb he makes more money
than all of us who read this board combined.
So do many drug dealers, prostitutes,
and lottery winners--that doesn't make them geniuses.
Which reminds me: I need to call a...um, lottery winner I know.
To say nothing of the Pre[urk]
s of many companies.
by The Dogfather on Sep 5, 2007 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
i think mlb offers a better pension
though the health care may or may not be better than the medical attention given to the average Athletic
Back in my brief time as a sportswriter...
The ballplayers I interviewed weren't dumb, exactly, but they weren't as cooperative or articulate as football players, more of whom had been to college. (The best were tennis players -- Evert, Navratilova, Gerulaitis were excellent interviews.) I remember reading something about Robin Yount -- he came from a family of engineers, and they didn't think he was dumber than the rest of them, only that he put all his intelligence into baseball and didn't have much energy left over to think about anything else.
That said, Crosby is dumb.
I was articulate until
I got Gerulaitis. I was never really the same after that. Or before. And certainly not during.
jim evert?
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