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Outlook for 2008

Looking at the current roster and projecting it to 2008 …

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** Sure bets for the offensive lineup:

Mark Ellis (2B) – His OPS is still under .800, but if he hits closer to .300 and draws a few more walks, Ellis will be an elite second baseman considering his defense and run production. Twenty HRs, 80 RBI and 10 SBs from a middle infielder is pretty good, especially with the great glove.

Nick Swisher (OF/1B) – Two thoughts on Swisher: he needs to be in the OF to be most valuable, and he has to have someone good hitting behind him. His 2007 numbers were a big drop from 2006, and that hurt the A’s. Give him a position and lock him into it; get some protection in the lineup for him. Even with the pathetic lineup, he drew 100 walks this year. His average came up, his power went down. He’ll still be in the lineup for three more years, of course, but give him some help.

Jack Cust (DH) – The A’s want to keep him, and they should if they can do so cheaply. His .937 OPS was best on the team, by far, and along with Swisher, he drew 100 walks this year. He had power, but he will have to grow as a hitter for 2008, since pitchers/scouting reports will be on to him. His presence also forces other position issues.

Travis Buck (OF) – He was pretty productive when he was healthy. An .850 OPS for a rookie is good, but he’ll have to produce for a full season. He had 34 XBH in only 285 ABs. If he’s a RF, Swisher can play LF or CF regularly, depending on who else the A’s sign in the offseason.

Kurt Suzuki (C) – In 197 ABs, he hit 7 HRs and had 37 RBI. He’s hitting .254, which is solid for a rookie catcher. His .758 OPS is also solid, when taken in context. His handling of pitching staff should improve with an off-season of work and relationship-building.

Daric Barton (1B) – He’s only got 50 ABs, but with a .927 OPS in 57 PAs, he’s the A’s new future, in the Jason Giambi-style. He’s young, cheap and good. He’s going to be in the line-up until 2013, at least.

** Question marks for the offensive lineup:

Eric Chavez (3B) – His health is in question, and he’s making too much money. His days as an everyday player for the A’s may be over. If the A’s can move him in the offseason, they should. His swing might work in New York, and if A-Rod leaves the Yankees (as he should), the Yankees might have an interest in Chavez (let’s hope?). Either way, he is not worth the money he’s due, and the A’s have a decent alternative on the roster (see below).

Jack Hannahan (3B) – In 123 ABs, he’s hit .293 with 14 XBH for a .848 OPS. Those are better numbers than Chavez, although he surely doesn’t have Chavez’ glove ability. But at some point, it becomes about cost efficiency, and for a cheap salary, he can produce just as much as Chavez can in the overall game.

Dan Johnson (1B) – With Barton and Cust, he’s basically a man without a position now. The A’s should keep him for depth, though, since he could get 3-4 starts a week even as a backup first baseman since Cust can play RF. Buck, Barton and Cust will all get days off here and there, and DJ can fill that spot effectively and somewhat cheaply. They really should keep him, unless they get an offer for him they can’t refuse (i.e. a MLB-ready starter for the tail end of the rotation).

Shannon Stewart (OF) – Is he worth re-signing? Not really. He produced fine this year, but he’s just not an impact player. Considering he’d be getting a raise in any offer he receives, the A’s should let him seek employment elsewhere and find better bang for their buck(s).

Bobby Crosby (SS) – Absolutely worthless at the plate with that .619 OPS. As I said before, giving this fool 372 plate appearances in 2007 sunk the A’s (although certainly not single-handedly). The As have a better, everyday shortstop already on their roster. Maybe it’s injuries, maybe it’s not, but Crosby has become a liability. Trade him if you can, Beane.

Marco Scutaro (IF) – His offense is better than Crosby’s, and his defense is fine. He has a knack for clutch hits, and in general, he’s a good clubhouse veteran at this point. He should be kept and installed as the starting shortstop, period. He’s affordable and productive enough.

Mike Piazza (C/DH) – He’s gone, and he was a waste of money. Maybe if he’d been healthy all year, the A’s would have contended for the wild card, but it’s all water under the bridge now. Adieu, Mike.

Mark Kotsay (OF) – He’s a backup OF at best now. Injuries or not, his game has just disappeared since 2004. The A’s gave him 225 PAs at the worst possible time, and with his .575 OPS, he just killed any offensive rally he was in the middle of as the A’s plummeted down the standings. He’s always been an overrated defender, and there’s no offense of which to speak. What a waste of money in 2008 …

** Projected line-up (for now)

1 – RF – Travis Buck
2 – SS – Marco Scutaro
3 – LF – Nick Swisher
4 – DH – Jack Cust
5 – 1B – Daric Barton
6 – 2B – Mark Ellis
7 – CF – Free agent signing
8 – 3B – Eric Chavez/Jack Hannahan
9 – C – Kurt Suzuki

** Free agent hitters

The A’s have money to spend with Loaiza and Piazza off the books. They need some pitching help, perhaps, but they need at least ONE serious hitting addition to the lineup. Who is available at CF this off-season? Torii Hunter? Rumor has it he may want to return home to Texas. There are CF options: Hunter, Mike Cameron, Andruw Jones, Kenny Lofton, Corey Patterson, and Aaron Rowand. The A’s can sign any of these guys, and they’d be better off than with Kotsay in CF. In a perfect world, I’d love the A’s to go after Jones, Hunter, Patterson or Rowand. Jones and Patterson are represented by Scott Boras, however, so automatically that’s bad. I know the rumors about Andruw Jones’ decline, and he was terrible this year, so … Patterson is ideal in my mind for this line-ups needs, but Boras will want too much for him. So those two are out. Hunter may want Texas, which leaves Aaron Rowand. He plays like Eric Byrnes, so there’s always an injury risk. But I like his grit, effort and ability. He will be moderately expensive, but I still think he’s an underrated player. The A’s should target him as a top free agent signing. He would change the above lineup significantly, probably hitting second and bumping Scutaro to eighth in the line-up and moving the third baseman to seventh. With DJ off the bench, that would be a solid, every day lineup assumking Barton hits, Buck and Cust maintain, Swisher improves, etc. Maybe you hit Rowand sixth, and move Ellis down to seventh. Either way, the A’s need a real everyday CF, and they have many options on the market.

If the A’s want to try free agency for the two other position needs (3B and SS), they’re not going to find much. At shortstop, you have Omar Vizquel, Juan Uribe and David Eckstein – none of whom will be worth what the market will pay them. At 3B, you could have A-Rod (don’t I wish) and Mike Lowell, followed by a bunch of overpriced scrubs. I think the Sox would keep Lowell, and I think A-Rod will command more money than Beane/Wolff are willing to commit, which is a shame. He’d be the perfect remedy for what ails the Oakland franchise.

Other random hitters who could be appealing: Luis Castillo, Tadahito Iguchi and Kaz Matsui are all second basemen, and if signed, Ellis could play shortstop – putting Scutaro back on the bench as the valuable asset he already is there. Crosby could be waived entirely. But in affordability terms, none of these guys will be “bargains”. What about Jason Kendall? As lame as he is with the bat, if the A’s could bring him back CHEAP to tutor Suzuki, that might be a nice idea. A guy like Brad Wilkerson might be good for outfield depth, or if the A’s wanted to make a BIG SPLASH, they could go for Adam Dunn. I wonder what his market will be, in truth. Bobby Abreu might be available, or even Jose Guillen, Geoff Jenkins, and Sammy Sosa (don’t laugh!). The A’s can find some affordable players, if they want to, this offseason, because they cannot continue to be such an offensive joke.

** Sure bets for the rotation in 2008 …

Dan Haren – Great season, by any measurement, although his second half lagged behind the first half. The A’s need consistent seasons like this from Haren for the next two years.

Joe Blanton – He is still too hittable, so he needs to re-discover whatever kept his OBA down in 2005. But he’s averaged 15+ wins in his three seasons as a starter, so he’s consistent there.

Rich Harden – He’s a sure bet to be in the PLANS for 2008, but whether or not he pitches anything significant is the real issue, of course.

** Other possibilities for the rotation in 2008 …

Chad Gaudin – He’s proven he can pitch in the majors, but he’s no better than a No. 5 starter. The WHIP is over 1.50, and it’s a miracle his ERA is at 4.52 right now, through 187+ innings. He gives up more hits than IP, and he walks a batter every other inning. He’s just not that good.

Lenny DiNardo – Same as Gaudin, albeit in a different way. More hits than IP, and while his walks are lower, he only has five more Ks than BBs. A high WHIP (1.43) is hidden behind his decent ERA (4.18). He’s No. 5 fodder, at best, meaning if the A’s have both Gaudin and DiNardo in their rotation, they’re in trouble.

No one else on the roster is worthy of consideration for the 2008 rotation. Dan Meyer has been terrible, Dallas Braden is terrible, etc. The A’s need at least one, if not two, new starters for 2008.

** Free agent possibilities for the rotation in 2008 ….

The A’s could use a decent lefty in their line-up, and the ballpark can hide a lot of deficiencies. Guys like Tom Glavine, Kenny Rogers and David Wells could be good fits for the A’s, but … Glavine would be ideal, in truth. But does he want to come to the AL this late? Would the Mets let him go? Rogers will stay in Detroit, if anywhere, and Wells is not suited for the AL anymore. Glavine would be a good mentor to the rest of the staff and fit nicely in the No. 4 slot (if Harden is healthy) if he was signed to a mid-level contract to end his career. Randy Wolf could be an option, but he’s an injury risk. With Harden already on board, you don’t want too many of those. You want someone who will log 200 innings. On the righty front, there are more options, albeit mediocre ones. A lot of injury risks out there (Kris Benson, Matt Clement, etc.), but maybe a workhorse like Livan Hernandez would help. The market is full of Brett Tomkos and Carlos Silvas, however. Someone like Victor Zambrano could be an intriguing option, but if the A’s go this route, they need reliability. Injury risks are out, which means the pickings are slim. But if the A’s have to go into 2008 with a rotation of Haren, Blanton, Harden, Gaudin and DiNardo, they’re in trouble.

** Bullpen outlook for 2008 …

If everyone is healthy (big if), the A’s should be fine here. Embree will be back, giving the A’s a lefty boost there. Casilla has been alright, so he’s an early option. Street, Calero and Duchscherer (if they’re all healthy) can be dominating. Throw in Andrew Brown and Flores, and the A’s have a solid bullpen. No free agent needs here at all.

** Overall outlook …

In general, the A’s need two free agent hitters and two free agent starters. Let’s see what they do this offseason.

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Interesting...but

Forget Rowand, he will command big money and there is no way to tell if he is actually that good. Fukudome or  Denorfia in CF in my opinion, unless Cameron comes at a great bargain big price.

Also, Scutaro over Crosby at SS is just silly. At least Crosby has range on defense, and even if there is only a 3% chance of him becoming a star in the league at this point, a totally arbitrary figure, it would still be 3% higher than the chance of Scutaro becoming a star.

Sign Fukudome!
Pray for Chavez!
Pray for Harden!

If 2 out of those 3 work out A's will contend big time imo.

by SwisherSweet on Sep 26, 2007 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Starting Marco Scutaro as your shortstop

on Opening Day is functionally equivalent to declaring the season over before it begins. I can't see any reason to simply write off Crosby's contract and give millions to a guy who, while friendly, is unlikely to produce even equal value over a full season.

In CF terms, Kosuke Fukudome is a far, far better option than Aaron Rowand. They have somewhat similar profiles, but Rowand's coming off a career year in an extreme hitters' ballpark, while Fukudome has been a routine MVP candidate in NPB. He's also a huge marketing opportunity, particularly with the A's opening next spring in Japan. He could potentially recoup millions of dollars of his contract in marketing and promotional work.

I mentioned this on Rob Neyer's ESPN blog: The Dodgers are in disarray right now, with the vets turning on the rookies. The A's have a real opportunity here; Bill Plaschke is talking about the possibility of Matt Kemp being dealt. Would the A's go for a blockbuster deal of Blanton and Chavez for Kemp, Chin-Lung Hu and Andy LaRoche? Should they? It would leave the rotation awfully scrawny for 2008, but the A's have at least 4 quality pitching prospects in the pipeline (Mike Madsen, Trevor Cahill, James Simmons and Andrew Bailey) and could have more if Jared Lansford figures things out or Craig Italiano recovers fully. And they could form the nucleus (with Buck, Swisher, Barton and Suzuki) of a dynamite offense.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2007 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't exaggerate.

We went to the ALCS with Scutaro as our SS. He didn't start the season but he played there most of it.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 26, 2007 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Scutaro as injury fill-in"

=/= "Scutaro as best available option."

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2007 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scutaro as SS

would not mean an end to our season hopes. You did exaggerate but I understand your point.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 26, 2007 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Unlikely to produce equal value"

That's an odd thing to say about someone who vastly outperformed Crosby this year.  In any case, I agree that starting either of them is a problem.  Unfortunately, it's one for which we don't currently have a good solution.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Sep 27, 2007 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard for me to imagine changes

at shortstop or third base. Even in center field, really.

You can't demote these long term guys coming off injuries, and you potentially lessen trade value or severely limit your trade partners by packaging them in a deal. Here's how I see it break down:

Kotsay– I'd love to dump him, but I doubt it's gonna happen. Maybe they can pay half his salary and get some reclamation project in return, but it's far more likely he's the Opening Day starter in an attempt to salvage any value from his contract. I'm sure the A's hope for his resurgence or for Denorfia to force his way into the lineup. I am crossing my fingers for Fukudome...

Crosby– He's much more valuable than Kotsay, a better player at a better price at a premium position. If they do trade him, they'll need to move someone else to find a considerably better replacement than Donnie Murphy (doesn't make sense otherwise). That's a tough task. I'll take Crosby hitting ninth and playing great defense for the A's in 2008, thank you very much.

Chavez– Why would you trade him now? With the surgeries, his value is at rock bottom. Wait and hope for the best, as they've already chosen Hannahan as an insurance policy.

I also don't think there's any need to bring back Scutaro. It might be a nice gesture, but he'll almost never play if he's slotted behind Murphy and Hannahan (the way it should be). Anyway, if Murphy and Hannahan make up the starting left side of the infield in 2008 for a long stretch, it's probably another gaggle of injuries, in which case they'll be out of the race. Bring on the minor leaguers at that point.

In my opinion, via free agency, the A's should be looking to sign Fukudome, which should slot Denorfia and Kotsay down nicely to protect against injuries, and one more dynamite bullpen arm. Building a great bullpen is much more cost effective than trading or signing starters, and it will allow them the flexibility to deal from that strength to fill any needs that arise.

I find your lack of Faith disturbing...

by rebus on Sep 26, 2007 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

You're right that a great bullpen

is more cost effective. There's a reason why: it's not even close to as useful.

Look at the difference between Seattle and Cleveland to see why. Seattle's holding opponents to no runs in innings 5-9 after giving up 7 in the first 4. Cleveland gives up 2 runs in innings 7-9 after allowing only 1 in the first six. Cleveland is also winning a lot more.

Absent a truly exceptional offense, you cannot win without a lot of quality starting pitching. The last thing the A's need now is to spend money on the bullpen, which is fine and probably the one area of the team that LEAST needs work. I'd actually rather they spent money on the rotation than the bullpen, even given the famine's harvest of pitchers out there this winter... but I'd REALLY rather they spent it on the offense.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2007 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mariners bullpen

Seattle's holding opponents to no runs in innings 5-9 after giving up 7 in the first 4.

Is that really an accurate description of the Mariners over the full season? I'm not sure where to find the exact numbers, but my recollection from just half-following the team over the season is that your description was reasonably accurate only until about the end of July. After that the Mariners bullpen totally tanked, and then they were giving up runs in all innings.

Not coincidentally, that's also when their W-L record collapsed.  On Aug 1, Seattle and Cleveland were only a half game apart in the standings.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Sep 27, 2007 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're probably right

but I'd raise a couple of additional points in response. First, the fact that it collapsed in late summer is probably not a coincidence, given the huge numbers of appearances everyone in the pen was making trying to win games where the starters faltered early on. This is a problem you're going to face if you have a strong bullpen but a weak rotation.

And second (not a direct response but just something I neglected to mention earlier) the starters pitch a lot more innings than the bullpen. Basically, your bullpen is going to pitch about 1/3 of your innings and the starters about 2/3, with the consequence that the bullpen has to be twice as good to have the same impact. (Yes, this is not strictly true. Creative leveraging of your better relievers can cut this down some. But the basic math is against the relief strategy.) It's a lot easier to get a 4 ERA starter than it is to get a 2 ERA reliever.

by PaulThomas on Sep 27, 2007 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

a couple things...

first, if scutaro actually was the starter at short (ugh), he would not hit second.

second, gaudin is still very young, and it was his first full season in the bigs as a starter. remember his first half, and chalk up the second half as a learning experience.

third, victor zambrano has never been an intriguing option for anybody.

everything else i agree...shortstop crop for this year is weak. it's gonna be crosby again, for better or worse.

"He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Sep 26, 2007 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

2008 Outlook

As far as Free Agents are concerned, the only Free Agents I see as players who we could get more out of than we would lose would be Adam Dunn (if the Reds do something stupid and decline his option), Barry Bonds (on a 1 year contract to DH), Kosuke Fukodome (good hitter, can play CF, and opens up big marketing opertunities) and Alex Rodriguez (even if he costs a fortune, it'd be the same as signing Bonds 10 years ago, and we'd have him when he broke the record and got in the HOF as an A, since he'd spend 10 years here...).

Of those guys, all would cost a lot of money. But I think the first three are actually plausable (depending on the Reds). Dunn is the A's prototypical player (Well, he's basically Cust but with more Homeruns), Bonds is the A's ideal hitter, and Fukudome would give the A's a foothold on the international scene as well as fill a organizational hole.

But they all cost a lot of money. But, we have a lot of money off the books for 2008, and more could come if SOMEONE will take Kotsay and Crosby. Hell, ideally, I'd love to sign 2 of the 3 above, assuming that we'd never get ARod and he'd never come here. That is to say, Fukudome and one of Dunn or Bonds, to have either act as the DH.

Fukudome could take over CF for us easily. Bonds makes sense on a 1 year contract because he would produce, then leave, and we could simply move Cust back to DH after he leaves. Dunn makes sense because we'd have him in his prime years and for a long term 1B/DH.

Aaron Rowand makes no sense to me. He will get a big payday, I believe, and has always played in hitters parks. He is on the wrong side of 30 for a long term contract which he will get. He won't just sign a 3 year contract, he'll go for a 4 or 5 year contract, and why wouldn't he?

If Fukudome is not signed, I say go with either Buck or Denorfia in Center Field, depending on if either Bonds or Dunn are acquired.

Thus, my positional roster would look as follows.

Scenario 1, we do nothing:
LF Travis Buck
1B Daric Barton
RF Nick Swisher
DH Jack Cust
3B Eric Chavez
2B Mark Ellis
CF Chris Denorfia
C1 Kurt Suzuki
SS Bobby Crosby

Senario 2, we sign Fukudome:
LF Travis Buck
1B Daric Barton
CF Kosuke Fukudome
RF Nick Swisher
DH Jack Cust
3B Eric Chavez
2B Mark Ellis
C1 Kurt Suzuki
SS Bobby Crosby

Scenario 3, we sign Barry Bonds/Adam Dunn:
CF Travis Buck
1B Daric Barton
DH Barry Dunn
RF Nick Swisher
LF Jack Cust
3B Eric Chavez
2B Mark Ellis
C1 Kurt Suzuki
SS Bobby Crosby

Scenario 4, we sign Fukudome AND Bonds/Dunn:
CF Travis Buck
1B Daric Barton
3B Kosuke Fukudome
DH Barry Dunn
RF Nick Swisher
LF Jack Cust
2B Mark Ellis
C1 Kurt Suzuki
SS Bobby Crosby

Granted, the 4th is very unlikely and would be essentially trading Chavez, or assuming he'd be out for the first half of the season with back surgery (Please tell me he actually got it).

Personally, the one I prefer the most is #2, with #3 coming in second (Bonds on a 1 year contract) and #1 being most likely.

But there is another option, as mentioned above; trading Joe Blanton and Chavez to the Dodgers for, say; Kemp, LaRoche and Hu (though honestly I think we'd ask for a pitcher).

Doing such a trade would negate the need for any Free Agent signings, and would give us a lineup of;

LF Travis Buck
1B Daric Baton
RF Nick Swisher
DH Jack Cust
3B Andy LaRoche
CF Matt Kemp
2B Mark Ellis
C1 Kurt Suzuki
SS Chin-lung Hu

That would be a great trade for the A's, but knowing the A's as I do, this is the roster I would do, expecting them to do basically nothing in the off season outside of shedding some spare parts.

LF Travis Buck
1B Daric Barton
RF Nick Swisher
DH Jack Cust
3B Eric Chavez
2B Mark Ellis
C1 Kurt Suzuki
CF Chris Denorfia
SS Bobby Crosby

C2 Rob Bowen
SS Donnie Murphy
3B Jack Hanahan
OF Chris Snelling
OF Mark Kotsay

SP Dan Haren
SP Joe Blanton
SP Rich Harden
SP Chad Gaudin
SP Lenny DiNardo

RP Huston Street
RP Justin Duchscherer
RP Alan Embree
RP Andrew Brown
RP Dan Meyer
RP Jeremey Blevens

by Zonis on Sep 26, 2007 9:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I think I'd rather have Barry Dunn playing LF

than Jack Cust.

He really is that bad a fielder.

Maybe it's just one of those "devil you know" things with Adam Dunn, but I know for a fact that Bonds is a better fielder, even at his age.

Fukudome is an outfielder... it would be an adventure, to say the least, with him at third base. I think I'd rather stick Travis Buck there, but I'd really rather just stick with Chavez if the Dodgers don't deal for him.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2007 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

My 25 man roster if they actually did what I want

and not what I expect them to do, however, would be;

LF Travis Buck
1B Daric Barton
CF Kosuke Fukudome
RF Nick Swisher
DH Jack Cust
3B Eric Chavez
2B Mark Ellis
C1 Kurt Suzuki
SS Jed Lowrie

C2 Jeremey Brown
SS Donnie Murphy
3B Jack Hanahan
OF Chris Snelling
OF Chris Denorfia

RHP Dan Haren
RHP Joe Blanton
RHP Chad Gaudin
RHP Freddy Garcia
RHP Jason Jennings

RHP Rich Harden
RHP Huston Street
RHP Justin Duchscherer
LHP Alan Embree
LHP Lenny DiNardo
RHP Andrew Brown

Acquisitions:
CF Kosuke Fukudome (Free Agent)
RHP Jason Jennings (Free Agent, 1 year Incentive Deal)
RHP Freddy Garcia (Free Agent, 1 year Incentive Deal)
SS Jed Lowrie (Trade whomever for him)

by Zonis on Sep 27, 2007 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

couple of things

Saying that Gaudin is no better than a number 5 starter doesn't make any sense.  The average #5 starter slot posts around a 85 ERA+... which this year would be around a 5.50 ERA.    Couple that with the fact that he didn't get injured while pitching all those innings, and Gaudin has been just fine.  

In fact, besides the terrible starts by Braden and Meyer, the A's starting pitching has been pretty good this year, despite getting 2 starts from Loaiza and almost nothing from Harden.  

The A's relievers on the other hand have been a bit worse than average for the season.  For us, a bit worse than average is a disaster.

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Crosby will be the starting SS and Chavez will be the starting 3B, barring some kind of surprising trade.  Other people have already gone into this...
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There are other ways to spend budget money besides signing Free Agents.  Trades for big contracts.  I wonder if Barton is untouchable, or if he is now able to be the kind of centerpiece which could get a big time pitcher, ala the Lowell/Becket deal.  
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It would be nice to find a #4 starter somewhere, even from our current roster if they think that Meyer or Braden still have that potential.  I like the Dave Bush suggestion.
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I don't have confidence at all in our bullpen.  I see that as the biggest project in this off-season -- doing a good job identifying Duke's readiness, whether Casilla, Brown and Blevins are reliable, whether Calero can come back, etc...

by jakarta on Sep 27, 2007 12:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Blevins is a 23-year-old rookie

I don't think it's either wise or fair to expect him to make the roster out of spring training. I'd figure he'll be a midseason callup next year.

Brown's mediocre numbers of late are almost entirely a matter of BABIP; his FIP is in the high 2s because he rarely gives up homers and strikes out a lot of hitters.

I'm far less worried about the bullpen than about the rotation.

by PaulThomas on Sep 27, 2007 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chavez and Crosby

I don't see Billy Beane trading Eric Chavez if Chavvy doesn't want to go, and I don't see Chavvy wanting to go to any of the teams that might want him. (Honestly, I don't see Chavvy wanting to go anywhere except possibly San Diego.)

That being the case, I think Chavez's contract remains on the A's books no matter what. If wishing makes any difference, I say stop wishing for a trade and start wishing for his surgery to do some good and make him a decent player again.

I don't much like Crosby (I do like Chavez), but given what else is out there, I think I agree that putting him on the field batting 9th probably makes the most sense right now.

Suppose we didn't have Crosby. We'd still be looking for a SS and finding nothing good available. If he were on some other team, I could see looking at him and saying, "What about that guy? He looked promising once upon a time, and he's got decent defense. Maybe he can be a reclamation project."

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Sep 27, 2007 4:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?

You think Chavez wouldn't be willing to go to the Dodgers?

I agree with you that Beane isn't going to move him without consent, I'm just not sure why you think he'd veto L.A.

As for Crosby, he might be a reclamation project, but the A's are evidently not the team to reclaim him. Sometimes guys need a change of scenery. And so far, nothing I've seen has convinced me that he's better than Donnie Murphy would be for $2M less.

by PaulThomas on Sep 27, 2007 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, really.

Chavez is an odd duck.  I think he likes to stay put.  That said, I'll agree that him going to any California team is more likely than him going to any non-California team.

I also agree about Crosby needing a change of scenery (something I've been saying for years).  If there were another player exactly like Crosby but on another team, we could trade one for the other and both would benefit from it.

"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Sep 27, 2007 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I sure wouldn't mind Jason Bey

mlb trade rumors thinks he'll be shopped
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

He had a down year in 2007 but is still young and affordable. I've really enjoyed the opportunities I've had to see him play.

by OaklandSi on Sep 27, 2007 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

He can flat out play.

Isn't that great of a centerfielder, though.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Sep 27, 2007 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fielding-wise,

he's basically Shannon Stewart with a slightly better arm, as far as I can tell.

Good hitter, but I think he only has 2 years left until free agency. Would we really want to trade, like, Travis Buck for him?

by PaulThomas on Sep 27, 2007 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course not

but how about a couple of players like, oh, DJ, Ron Flores, etc?

If he's not an option for CF (I really don't think Swish should be there), then it probably doesn't make alot of sense.

by OaklandSi on Sep 28, 2007 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the Pirates are brainless enough to do that,

obviously, pull the trigger. I just don't think the A's can get him for spare parts.

But who knows. The idiocy of the Pirates front office has shocked me before.

Still, with a new GM installed, it's hard to believe he'll be as dumb as the last one.

by PaulThomas on Sep 28, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, I was trying to suggest

some (not injured and not totally valueless examples of trade bait).

Another idea: MLB trade rumors thinks Tampa Bay is looking for relievers:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/0...

If the A's could successfully offer some relievers for Carl Crawford (who is affordable until 2010, I think), that would address the CF problems plus add some speed to the lineup.

by OaklandSi on Sep 28, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

How about Embree, Mike Mitchell and Richie Robnett?

Robnett is such a D-Rays kind of player-- good power but mediocre OBP and about 8 billion strikeouts a season.

by PaulThomas on Sep 28, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like it

don't know if Beane and Forst and the Tampa GM would...

by OaklandSi on Sep 28, 2007 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

kendall has had a decent year batting

he was extremely hot in august.  he should finish at about what the expectations were at the start of the season in total #s.  but, in any case, he's too expensive, some team will pay 3 or 4 mil for him, though his defensive arm has really gone to hell.

by notah8er on Sep 28, 2007 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

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