Open Thread: Game 154 - A's vs. Mariners
Well, do you know what’s even more interesting than today’s A’s game? In my softball game last night, we turned a triple play. Yes, really. I believe it was scored 2-1-3-5-6-3. And if that is the highlight of a game preview in September, you know that it might not have been the best year for your team. As is the case for the A’s, who have survived the whole season on ‘what if’s’, and a whole lot of ‘too little, too late’s. Oh; that reminds me. Rich Harden is starting on Sunday.
Starting today’s game is Dan Meyer, who has been...how do we say this nicely...flat-out awful at the big league level so far. He will be replaced by Harden in the rotation, but no one has any illusions that he’ll be in the ‘pen for long.
Just out of mild curiosity, watching the very, very good Rivercats this year, I wonder how much of an allure the ticket to the show has to be for players like Meyer and Barton to leave that team in favor of the big league club. One might have the distinction of being a Major League team, but I’m not sure who would win in a head-to-head contest.
Oh, you want to hear about today’s game? Well, let’s just say that there’s a certain symmetry between today’s game and the first of the season. The A’s face Felix Hernandez for the fourth time this season. He has not lost.
Everything on paper points to this being a very one-sided Mariners win today, but that’s why they play the (meaningless) games. I’d still like to get to .500.
Lineups
Seattle
OldSuzuki
Lopez
Ibanez
Guillen
Beltre
Vidro
Jones
Burke
Betancourt
Oakland
Stewart, LF
Barton, 1B
Cust, RF
Johnson, DH
Ellis, 2B
Hannahan, 3B
Scutaro, SS
Bowen, C
DaVanon, CF
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
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Ah, the ever elusive goal
of 500! Dare we dream of such lofty goals?
The Allure of the Show
I don't for a minute believe that any Rivercat would minimize the allure of playing for the big team. I don't care how lousy the A's might be; I would imagine it's a no-brainer for Barton, Meyer, Blevins, etc., to want to be in Oakland rather than Sacramento. That's what they live for! And I don't think it's all about money (although that's gotta be a consideration). Think of all the extra scouting eyes on them at the big-league level. If the A's suck for years to come, and those guys can shine, they'll be out of Oakland and on their way to a better team sooner rather than later. That said, I'm not sure either that the current iteration of the Oakland A's would beat our Triple A team head to head.
This would be a good topic for Gettin' Ziggy.
I know :-)
The show is ALWAYS going to win out, but must be a let-down on SOME level...leaving a great team that is going all the way in favor of one that absolutely stinks.
by baseballgirl on Sep 19, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
there are 9 games left counting today
A's have won 74 and lost 79. In order to finish the season at .500 they will need to win a minimum of 7 of the remaining games.
Hey, I didn't say it was LIKELY ;-)
by baseballgirl on Sep 19, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
triple play
What position does a baseballgirl play?
3
First base. :-)
by baseballgirl on Sep 19, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
2-1-3-5-6-3 triple play ?
Am I the only one who wants more details on the triple play ? Can you give us the play by play :)
Okay, sure!
Bases loaded (obviously no one out). The batter barely makes contact and the ball dies just fair. No one seems to realize this fact. Our catcher throws the ball to the pitcher. (2-1) I realize it's a live ball and cover home. The pitcher throws the ball to me to get the force at home. (1-3, one out). I throw the ball to third (3-5, two out). Third throws the ball to shortstop, who is covering first since the runner never ran to first(5-6). The throw is wild, so I run back to first and take the throw from the shortstop, who ran down the right field line to get the ball (6-3, three outs. Not the prettiest play, but it's softball.
We could probably beat the A's. ;-)
by baseballgirl on Sep 19, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That rocks!
I don't remember the specifics, but I played a game in Jr. College where the last out on a triple play was our centerfielder tagging out a runner at 2nd base.
As much as I hope Meyer gets it together..
today, that quote from Geren worries me a bit. Neither Meyer (nor Braden for that matter) have shown stuff so far to be a solid #5. Now granted, it's not like we have an unlimited amount of possibilities, but c'mon now. (And for the record, I don't think DiNardo is the answer either.)
And files this under the "hmmm" file, Rich apparently thinks he is not injury prone. (Ok, I must have a different definition then). But the writer getting the story protested so much that this was not an off season trade showcase, that in the back of my mind I wonder if it actually is. Anyways, point being, is that I do not want us to become Texas.
by AsWin on Sep 19, 2007 12:33 PM PDT reply actions
Okay, it's lunch time, game hasn't started yet...
Here's some interesting tidbits for everyone about Felix Hernandez.....
- In his career, he has pitched worse on the road vs. at home.
- His ERA is almost half a run higher in day games vs. night games.
- Not including teams against whom he has only pitched once, he has his lowest ERA against the A's, and it's under 2.00. This is sick and wrong and MUST COME TO AN END!!!
So, a road game, during the daytime, and Felix on the hill? Mariners lose, that's my guess....
Stats aside...
by AsWin on Sep 19, 2007 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I want them to roll over
and get my drink, bitch!
I think between Meyer and Braden
One of them will get it together next season. Lets just pray that Harden is healthy so that only one of them has to. Oh yeah, Dinardo is bad.
by SwisherSweet on Sep 19, 2007 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
its really windy on the penisula i wonder how the
wind is at the park
by smasfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:47 PM PDT reply actions
22 MPH out to right field
according to Gameday.
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
GOD put this team out of its MISERY
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions
Sorry... God's busy.
According to ESPN, the Red Sox & Yankees are no longer playing and God has to play catch up
Well let's just be happy it was only two runs...
C'mon and get it together Meyer..
by AsWin on Sep 19, 2007 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
I can't remember the last game he didn't K
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
THOSE STUPID CAMERA PEOPLE FROM OTHER TEAMS
TEXAS ones took pictures of seagulls and seattle a shot looking right into sun
by smasfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:57 PM PDT reply actions
well we always do good and get people on with 2
outs but we dont score
by smasfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:58 PM PDT reply actions
Certainly not I...
which is why you don't trade established SP especially (with them being such a commodity) for prospects. Hopefully they turn out as advertised, but sometimes they don't.
I mean when the Brewers are talking about acquiring a FA SP there is no excuse why we can't. Meyer's current ERA is at a shocking 9.00 right now.
by AsWin on Sep 19, 2007 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Although to be fair in BB's defense...
I think the Hudson trade was a bit of an unusual circumstance. (And much like the Texiera trade). BB knew that Tim wasn't going to be apart of the future for financial reasons and happened to get an offer from Tim's hometown team. Much like Tex, Tim pondered the idea of what it would be like to pitch for the Braves. I think he traded Tim more out of respect... with that said, I still think it was a horrible trade and I hope history does not repeat itself.
by AsWin on Sep 19, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
BB was actively shopping Tim for months
and trying to get a deal with the Braves that included Marcus Giles. The deal nearly fell apart when Bobby Cox lobbied not to trade Giles. BB also was shopping Hudson to St Louis, but the Cards hesitated on the demands.
Beane finally called the Braves back and said he wouldn't require Giles, wherupon they made the deal bringing Meyer, Cruz and Thomas to Oakland for Hudson. Then the Cards were offered Mulder for the package they had been trying to get for Hudson and the Cards agreed.
In later interviews Beane said that when they decided even before the end of the 2004 season that they were going to try to shop Hudson, in his words "why not two?" meaning, why not shop two of the big 3.
I'm really impressed by his ability
to give up hits. We should try him out as a batting practice pitcher.
Another train wreck
I take it? Why do we suck so badly?
ITS SO BORING that seattle announcers are talking
history and not baseball
by smasfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:35 PM PDT reply actions
And over at Lookout Landing
they're talking about chocolate-covered bacon. Oh, I forgot to get lunch.
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Put me in the group that defends
the Hudson trade as a perfectly good one at the time. And one that has not worked out well at all. At ALL.
Definitely
At the time, it would have been perfectly reasonable to believe Thomas would at least be a decent 4th outfielder, Cruz would be a flamethrower in the 'pen, and Meyer... c'mon, he was "The Guy" in the Braves' minor league system.
Not every trade will work out, even for Billy Beane. For instance, I wish we still had Byrnesy. I know he's not the hitter that NL pitching is making him out to be, but I wish I could have seen him play steadily out in left for the last few seasons instead of Jay Payton and Shannon Stewart. Plus, we wouldn't have had to watch Joe Kennedy pitch.
(Note: no disrespect to Stewart. I like the guy, but he's obviously a stopgap solution. But definitely disrespect to Payton. Lots of it).
Hey. Meyer didn't give up any runs that inning
THE ANNOUNCERS on seattle channel are giving
everyone a history lesson alcatraz lol
by smasfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
I want to smoooosh
Jack Hannahan and Mike Schmidt.
That's right... Jack Schmidt.
This makes me cry on the inside.
Gameday still says the wind is 22 mph at the park
Good, if true, because it's like 222 mph in the block between my office and the burrito place.
Why is Hannahan so GOOD!!!??!?!?!?!
HannaMAN for the win.
by SwisherSweet on Sep 19, 2007 1:59 PM PDT reply actions
Why?
Because he's an alumnus of the University of Minnesota, of course.
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
barton is a true A's player caught him looking
by smasfan on Sep 19, 2007 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
except that...
he's still batting over .300... if he can't get his average down to .273 or less, not a true A. also: sure he had an injury last year, but what's he hurt lately?
WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYY????!?!?!?!?!?
THIS?!?!
Why is Lugo coming in?
Meyer was doing pretty well after the 2nd and looked to be building up confidence. Not a fan of the change at all.
by AsWin on Sep 19, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Not exactly.
I just had a moment.
I'm Gamedaying it.
The way I choose to justify this pitching change
Is that after hours of careful consideration, Minn has decided to accept our trade proposal of Meyer, Braden, and Johnson for Santana... Hence taking him out of the game.
(And yes, I haven't lost my mind and am completely joking).
by AsWin on Sep 19, 2007 2:20 PM PDT reply actions
Jack Cust HR?
Poppy rolls her eyes.
Hey, I cheered for him.
Silently, here in my cube. No drooling, but I can appreciate a good play... LOL
How come we never score from 2nd on a base hit?
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 2:39 PM PDT reply actions
Pathetic...can't throw slow-ass Jamie Burke out..
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
Well
I had been to a few Meyer starts in Sacramento this year, and his stuff didn't look especially good, but I kept hoping because I knew what he was supposed to be originally in coming here, and because his stats did give the impression that he was putting it together at AAA.
But, well, I guess score one for my amateur scout's eye, which despite this small victory, I would still never, ever advise anyone to count on for baseball personnel decisions.
Also can someone tell me
Why Jeff Davanon's carcass is getting at bats given where we're at in the season? Personally I'd like to see Jorge Piedra get a little looksie.
davanon
the only possible reason is davanon plays CF.
CF scares the crap out of me for 2008 and beyond
Kotsay is finished. Snelling is no longer a CF. Denorfia is a complete unknown. Swisher has got to get out of CF. And I'm not sure that Buck is a longterm solution there.
I think it's worth seeing if Buck can learn.
But I wish we could have checked him out in CF during the past month when we didn't really have anything to lose...
SS and CF...
the kiss of death for the 08 A's. Oh well, they've been dead before.
Well the unlikely solution...
Is to go after one of the FA CFers. I personally like Rowand. However, due to their price tags that's very unlikely. Fukudome interests me aswell but who knows what the bidding is going to be (and I am guessing too high anyways to be realistic).
by AsWin on Sep 19, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on how many ppl need a CF.
True...
desperately hanging on to the very slim/highly unrealistic chance of having Rowand next year
but oh can I wish.
by AsWin on Sep 19, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I imagine so
A poor reason, at that.
by walk off bunt on Sep 19, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
is ''not rolling over and dying''
I'm not so sure
Nah, thats "getting a look at up & coming talent"
Get the euphemisms correct!
It might mean
Coming kinda close to .500
by walk off bunt on Sep 19, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't realize Jerry Blevins was black!
<trades blevins>
Heh
Shows what you know about Google image search.
by walk off bunt on Sep 19, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I do know about it
but apparently whoever is responsible for loading pictures into Gameday doesn't....
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh
Shows what they know about Google image search.
by walk off bunt on Sep 19, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, name-wise, it seems
rather Leave-it-to-beaverish, white suburbia.
everyone on a's was already going off field until
they figured he wasnt out
by smasfan on Sep 19, 2007 3:02 PM PDT reply actions
Oh good.
We like when people walk in runs.
Almost as much as
we like grand slams.....now where I have seen that before.
A little late for that!
The jinxing thing is a done deal.
Well at least there's an explanation
these guys suck...
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 3:53 PM PDT reply actions
I don't know why I'm surprised
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 3:53 PM PDT reply actions
Oh, he dropped that? I thought it was....
a routine fly ball, my bad!!!
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I know I'm sorry...I thought this was a venue...
that I could let my frustrations out. I guess I'm not allowed to be negative. I'll try harder next game
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Maybe you could balance it by congratulating Cust on his home run. Even though the error had a larger effect on our chances of winning than the HR did. ;)
good point...here goes...
Did you see that HR Cust hit today? It was a shot, this guy has amazing power. He would make the perfect DH, his K's don't bother me they come with the territory and OPS is the only thing that matters in baseball and his is great. Long live Cust, future HOF and retired # 32
Better?
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice Catch Cust!!!!
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 3:58 PM PDT reply actions
Thanks
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
quick peek, can't get into yahoo at work
what is score?
Seattle 7, Oakland 5
Top of 9th, Street pitching, one out, one on.
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Two out
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
roger..got em where we want them, thanks
Or we did....until they scored again
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
NOW we have 'em where we want 'em!
With a 4-run lead! Here's where we're at our best, ready to not roll over and die!
i am in office waiting for contractor
to price a modification to contract...he gave me fax number for when he leaves town shortly to visit family... area code 510, where is that? i ask. Fremont.
Most of east bay in fact.
(Used to be 415 - no SF only.)
Marin's still 415 too.
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Because right now
We'd really rather talk about area codes than anything else. Say, Bay Area old-timers, what are the exchange names that correspond to East Bay neighborhoods? I know that Albany (52x-xxxx) is LAndscape, because there are one or two old signs in my 'hood that still have it on there.
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Redwood City used to be EMerson.
Not in my lifetime, but I saw it on old buildings & business cards when I was a kid.
Except for the East-East Bay
Contra Costa Co. and such.
Holy Crap...game is still going?
4 hour game?
by Amnesiac727 on Sep 19, 2007 4:12 PM PDT reply actions
No, Holy Crap played Tampa today
And of course, they won.
by Englishmajor on Sep 19, 2007 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank god that's over!!!
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 4:24 PM PDT reply actions
I'm almost made it through the game without...
saying something negative about Cust. Sorry, my name is BB4life and I'm an anti-Cust-aholic. My sobriety lasted 8 innings. I'll begin anew on Friday and it's 1 day at a time. Bare with me, I need AN's support.
by athleticsBB4life on Sep 19, 2007 4:28 PM PDT reply actions

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