Open Thread: Game 135 - A's vs. Blue Jays
by baseballgirl on Aug 29, 2007 10:41 AM PDT
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PrintWell, it’s come to this: Lenny DiNardo will take the mound to try to stop Oakland’s skid, as the A’s face Toronto trying to salvage a game of this series. Welcome to the roller-coaster ride that is the Athletics right now.
According to MLB.com, most of the Blue Jays hit like Alex Rodriguez against DiNardo, so that’s something to look forward to; although you never know. He’ll probably throw a complete game shut-out.
The A’s offense will try their luck against Roy Halladay, as they have one goal: To score more runs than the Blue Jays.
I will be on a plane when lineups are announced, so I’m hoping this will summon the lineup fairy.
Loaiza was just claimed off waivers by the Dodgers. More news to follow, I imagine.
LET’S GO OAK-LAND!!!
Lineups
Toronto
Wells CF
Wolverine-pelt-face LF
Rios RF
Thomas DH
Glaus 3B
Hill 2B
Overbay 1B
Zaun C
McDonald SS
Athletics
Ellis 2B
Swisher RF
Cust LF
Piazza DH
Johnson 1B
Scutaro SS
Hannahan 3B
Bowen C
DaVanon CF
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i dont understand why
we didnt get anything back for E-Lo
by PSHABAZ on Aug 29, 2007 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
Re
Because he
A) Made two starts this year.
B) Missed a good deal of time last year.
C) Sucks.
He's a guy who relies on balls in play being backed up by the Oakland defense and a cavernous ballpark. He has no value. Consider yourselves fortunate we picked him up. You can find some other strike thrower on the open market this year, give him the same contract, and be just fine.
by regfairfield on Aug 29, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you!!
I see everyone asking the same question. Flat out, E-Lo is high priced and sucks. He will probably spend 08' on the DL too. A's fans should have a feeling of relief today that we got this guy off of our books.
by Hawk on Aug 29, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh. You're serious.
What Is Going On?
Why do we keep giving away players that other teams want? Loaiza. Bradley. Even Kielty.
Loaiza has value. He's a middle-of-the-rotation starter at a below-market salary. The A's have serious needs and the Dodgers have a stocked farm system.
So maybe we wouldn't get LaRoche or Hu, but we could have gotten SOMETHING!
Loaiza would have been easy to trade this offseason.
I don't either . . .
if we got nothing. But I'm not convinced we got nothing. I think when a player is claimed on waivers, the team possessing him (the A's) has the right to "pull him back" ("no you can't have him"); work out a trade; or say thanks for taking our garbage and let the claiming team assume the remainder of the contract.
I would be shocked if the A's got nothing for him, but the early press releases indicate that. Maybe the details of a trade (I hope) are still not public.
by oaktownmario on Aug 29, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
i hope you're right....but
...it doesn seem like we're getting anything based on this:
According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, the Dodgers have added Esteban Loaiza from the A's on a waiver claim.
The A's could have insisted on a prospect return and pulled him back if the Dodgers refused, but they instead opted to shed the approx. $8.375 million Loaiza has left on his contract. His addition figures to knock Eric Stults out of the Dodgers' rotation. Dallas Braden could get another shot in Oakland.
by PSHABAZ on Aug 29, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Loaiza
Dodger fan here. Can any of you who watched his latest starts give your observations? How did his stuff look?
loaiza
hes a VERY streaky pitcher. his first start he pitched great, painting corners and all his pitches looked like that had good movement, even his fastball was coming out good................. but his last start, he pitched worst than the stats show. He missed on location quiet a few times, and his velocity didnt top 90 (i dont think).
Still i think we should have got some sort of trade done rather than just letting him go...
soon we'll be reading about CHavez, Piazza, and kotsay being signed off waivers, or DFA'd, and we get nothing...again!
by PSHABAZ on Aug 29, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Releasing Chavez and Kotsy
That would make my day if mgt could find a way to get rid of Chavez and Kotsy. Both of them should be put on waivers too.
by Mikkoo on Aug 29, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
What'll we get in return for this info?
He looked absolutely terrible.
TERRIBLE I SAY.
He actually looked pretty decent, but I hear his velocity is still down a notch.
more news...
Chatter from scouts in recent days indicated that the Dodgers had interest in Esteban Loaiza - and on Wednesday, Los Angeles took Loaiza on waivers and the A's decided not to pull him back. (Loaiza couldn't be run through waivers until he came off the DL last week.)
Though the A's wind up with nothing out of the deal, they will save $7 million on Loaiza next year - and they have the goodwill of the playoff-chasing Dodgers for not pulling Loaiza back. Don't be surprised to see the A's make some sort of favorable deal with LA in the next few months, unless letting Loaiza go is reward in itself for Oakland. Loaiza had pitched very well in his two starts this season, but he fought injuries much of his two seasons in Oakland. He missed the first four and a half months of this season with a bulging disk in his neck and then a knee injury.
This is also a nice pickup for the Dodgers, who have been on the lookout for starting pitching for more than a month. They don't even have to part with a lower-level prospect for an established veteran starter.
by PSHABAZ on Aug 29, 2007 11:15 AM PDT reply actions
Unless Beane has officially lost it...
I've got to believe that come a few months down the road you will see a lopsided deal of some Windsor/Komine for a prospect like LaRoche. I don't believe that he would give E-Lo away for nothing unless there was an unknown injury/arrest. Beane would have at least asked for some obscure A/AA proposect in return for basically dumping E-Lo ala Bradley.
by Miggy on Aug 29, 2007 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
Huh? So basically Beane gave him away now to
receive something great later? This makey no sensey.
Quite simple really...
Beane may want a guy that is currently on the 40-man roster that would have to clear waivers from the Dodgers side. Coletti is okay with that but can't make the trade now, it would have to wait until after the season. At the time, a low-end propsect would go over in exchange for the player that Beane wanted.
by Miggy on Aug 29, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Miggy just stating what is possible
not what Beane did for sure.
Part of the Kabuki show.
by MobiusKlein on Aug 29, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Gosh, I Hope You're Right
Otherwise it kind of looks like Billy's not even trying any more. Or that the $8 million is worth more than attempting to improve the team
revolving door effect
As a fan, I'm getting tired of the revolving door with the A's. Sure, so much of it is due to injuries, but it's gotten crazy. It's been the longest Spring Training ever.
by MobiusKlein on Aug 29, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
pretty surprised
at the big zilch in return. if the A's just wanted out of Loaiza's contract they could have simply moved his locker next to the beer storage area and alterted the CHP to stop him on the way home. i'm sure multiple DUI's and jail time would have allowed the A's to void his contract.
Too bad....
No LaRoche or Hu
Remember that silly fantasy someone had last night.
vr, Xei
by xeifrank @ Athletics Nation on Aug 29, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions
whether the deal is good or not..
right now, it is very frustrating to be an A's fan or even enjoy the franchise.
I'm finding it easier and easier to dislike Beane.
Actually, I never cared about Beane, I like the players on the team and right now when I turn on a game via MLB EI, I have a hard time figuring out who the hell is on the team.
Thankfully, I get to watch the Padres.
by Erik being Erik on Aug 29, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe your just not a true A's fan.
Go ahead and watch your Padres. If you can't stomach some smart moves, then you shouldn't be an A's fan. Anyone that follows this team is aware of the fact that it's continually evolving and changing.
by Mikkoo on Aug 29, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
dude!
Many folks are bi-fans. Don't dis the bi's just cause they can't make up their mind. Their orientation may not be pure, but some say their hearts have to be even bigger to encompass such dual devotion.
by MobiusKlein on Aug 29, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe I'm not anymore...
I am frustrated with the last 10 months of the team and it doesn't look to get any better.
I don't see these as "smart moves" (at least yet). I just want to watch a game and have an idea who's playing.
but I guess you're a true A's or is it B's fan, because the only constant is the GM.
by Erik being Erik on Aug 29, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Wha?
My God, man, what has happened in your world that's so horrific that you need to utter (write) a phrase as staggeringly mind-numbing as, "Thankfully, I get to watch the Padres"?
"If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college" indeed.
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 29, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
hilarious
by Erik being Erik on Aug 29, 2007 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
in all seriousness
what (if anything) the A's get in return will depend upon how well Loaiza does down the stretch.
i'm hoping there is some sort of "secret" agreement, but not exactly holding my breath.
Lineups for today's game...
...this is a different look. When, oh when, will they give up on Johnson? Saturday, perhaps?
Full discussion of the Loiaza situation
is happening in this diary for those who aren't here for the Game Thread.
Jennifer, I'll trade you Press Pass notes for the Classic Gameday link?
Deal
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/mlb...
But it's not working on my computer.
I don't really care.
It's working on mine
(or rather, my company's).
by Englishmajor on Aug 29, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Ellis Leadoff?
Seems an odd choice - .260 BA, not great OBP.
It's not so strange once you realize this team is
now being run by a Magic 8 Ball and a Ouija board.
why why why
do we have to watch these jays announcers. Is everyone getting them or is it some sort of east coast mlb thing?
I have them too
I never get the A's announcers. It sucks!
by chavyizdamn3 on Aug 29, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
hope Beane insists on a good return
for Loaiza. if the Dodgers won't do it, the A's can pull him back -- I don't doubt they can get something good for him in the offseason.
It's done already..they didnt pull him back.
by OaktownPower on Aug 29, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not Ellis?
With today's lineup who would you use if not Ellis at leadoff? Cust, because of his OBP? There are very few options.
I don't know who
Swish - don't want to waste power.
Cust - ditto
Scut - better BB / K ratio, but he's been slumpy lately.
New guys - heck, why not try it!
by MobiusKlein on Aug 29, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
needless to say
I have no worries about starting roy on my fantasy team today!
D-I-N-A-R-D-O!
No.
He was claimed by me. He's now on my basement team.
JUST GIVE UP! YOU CANNOT WIN! YOU WILL LOSE! SUCKER!
We aren't the Cubs.
Hi everyone. I love day games!!
Anything that makes being in this cubicle more enjoyable is alright with me. Even a bad A's game is better than what's going on around here.
Go A's! Stop this losing streak.
If AN were "The Office," who would be Dwight
Schrute? Who would be Michael Scott, and who would be that crazy blonde bitch with a stick up her ass?
You are smart not to touch this one.
I'm just bored.
Looks like Colby Lewis will be starting!!!
by athleticsBB4life on Aug 29, 2007 12:47 PM PDT reply actions
starting to do what?
get more outs I hope
by MobiusKlein on Aug 29, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, mighty Jack.
Let's hit Roy early and often.
halladay vs johnson
lol, roy should have just asked him if he'd like to avoid the punishment and not even bother.
Mighty Marco!
We can't stop here. Need 2 an inning for the
rest of the game. And it would be nice if we don't give up 3 runs an inning.
Yeah, I've been saying for the last couple games
that being up by 2 is like being down by 17 for us.
GO A's! :)
I have faith that the A's will
not score again until late in the game when a win is already out of reach.
hey
stop walking guy. just cuz they're huge and right handed and would probably hit it 470 ft if you threw a strike...
This game is clearly out of our reach now.
We should just give up.
You've finally come to your senses.
Oh good!
No outs, and runners on first and second!
Crap, wrong team.
I'm calling for a triple play!
That'll show those Blue Jay not to clog up the bases!
Lenny had to ruin it w/ a K.
Stupid Lenny
Striking out batters when we all know he's a ground ball pitcher.
and I quoth...
"Strikeouts are boring, besides that thier facist".
good lord
zaun gameday pic = ugliest goatee of all time?
No, Fausto Carmona.
This just in...
comcast.net sucks worse than new AN.
That is all.
Squeak! Squeak!
That was the sound Lenny made
after that inning.
Bork! Bork!
Coooooooooooookie Crisp!
J. DaVanon plusses: He's not on the DL.
And that's all.
Holy Bobbleheads, Batman!
Ellis singles.
Because of the extreme Bay Area heat
(otherwise known as normal summer weather to NRAFS) we're supposed to be conserving energy and our building manager is wandering around turning off the overhead lights, then turning them on again when it becomes apparent that the windows in our section of the building were designed only to provide glare on our computer screens, not to actually let in enough light for us to work with. Meanwhile, as a morale-booster they just announced that there was free ice cream on the third floor, so everyone on my floor (the second) made a mad dash for the elevator. Somehow, I think we are not conserving much energy this way.
Free ice cream?
[runs to CA]
Hot fudge AND caramel sauce too
So there!
by Englishmajor on Aug 29, 2007 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Eating ice cream when the weather
is too hot makes my tummy hurt.
SWISHER DP!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
YES!
Contrarian.
Marian.
At least...
...at least...we're not surprised?
Crap.
I think Lenny D is good enough for #3
Haren, Blanton, Dinardo, Gaudin, and Braden. I like a lefty mixed in there. This is my pick for next years rotation.
by A'sfansince1970 on Aug 29, 2007 1:21 PM PDT reply actions
Too bad our offense looks about the same.
Why don't I like Alex Rios?
He plays for a non-offensive Canadian team, he gets paid less and taxed more than American teams, and he seems. It must that gawdy .300+ BA. That's it.
New AN is editing me. Just as well.
Esteban
traded for 8 mill (essentiially) is not really a bad thing in the long run.
It is the clearest statement by Beane that 2007 is toast however.
2007 has been toast for a while.
by OaktownPower on Aug 29, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
how many are actually at the game today?
it looks like barely over 10K in the seats today?
ZZZzzzzZZzzzZZZZzzzzzzzz...
2007 is toast
And this from SF Gate & Beane as well, the cat is right out of the bag:
CHRON
Though Harden might return before the end of the season, third baseman Eric Chavez and center fielder Mark Kotsay both might sit the rest of the way with back soreness. There hasn't been a decision on that, according to Beane, but it's a strong possibility."
"Some guys you have to drag off the field and those are two of them," Beane said. "But it's still under discussion because they might be better served to use this month to get ready to play a long season" next year.
CHRON
Guess that's a good news / bad news thing, eh?
Eeps!
Mentally preparing to be disappointed here...
I'm no expert on Halladay
but isn't 4 walks a lot for this guy in 3 innings?
Most this season..yes
by OaktownPower on Aug 29, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
no cy for hal
thank god, the idea of the cy young award going to canada is somehow oddly disturbing
Gameday is bumfuzzled...
I see a single in left field, and it says "Bowen vs DiNardo"
She meant "kerfuffled".
Wockenfussed!
Whoa
What the hell just happened. A two spot plus a throw out at home plus a run scoring error? Cool.
Oops
No error. How does a guy score advancing on a throw after a throw out at home without there being an error?
roy steele?
does anyone know why he didnt announce last night?
Traded to the Devil Rays.
Why trade him when we can waive him
and not get anything in return?
by chadgaudummy on Aug 29, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You are such a girl.
do you really want to hurt me?
do you really want to make me cry?
pitch location data?
Seems like the pitches are being shown as out of the strike zone lots, but being called Strikes by the ump. Is the ump off, or is the data wrong?
I really like Hannahan
Can he go to first base next year when Chavy comes back?
by A'sfansince1970 on Aug 29, 2007 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
Hannahan supposedly has a very good glove
I wouldn't be surprised to see the A's ask him if he can be a utility infielder.
This game is going to get scary. 4 innings left,
and only 2 dependable arms, with Casilla struggling lately.
reading an RUMOR that says piazza in tiger radar
by smasfan on Aug 29, 2007 2:00 PM PDT reply actions
Bring it on
2007 is toast. We need some trades that bring us something though.
I hope we just give him to the Tigers. No reason
to break our recent precedent.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 29, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Every game is scary with this offense
or lack of it! Have no fear, though. Lenny is here!
by A'sfansince1970 on Aug 29, 2007 2:00 PM PDT reply actions
Atta boy Lenny, good job now the bullpen
can piss this one away.
by Huskerland A s Fan on Aug 29, 2007 2:06 PM PDT reply actions
I'm getting ready to die.
It's been fun.
I will follow you into the dark?
Who is this new PA announcer, sounds like the
Raiders guy to me. What happened to the Voice of God?
He was there last night
(see the postgame thread for my whining about it) and apparently Monday too. I think Roy just needed a breather, he was in fine form for the last homestand.
by Englishmajor on Aug 29, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Raiders PA Announcer, Gary Williams
It is Raiders PA announcer Gary Williams (I believe that's his name.) He was announced yesterday's game too. He's a little too dramatic for baseball. I like Dick Callahan better.
by uci anteater on Aug 29, 2007 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
this lenny dinardo kid
is consistently inconsistent
Stretching Casilla out today, will he be the 5th
starter next year.
That is not a serious question folks!!!
I'm going to go out on a limb
and say the Gameday guy fell asleep. I'm almost sure I saw that Piazza had 2 pitches after he was out.
Gotta go to ebay and get my Ellis Bobblehead
by Huskerland A s Fan on Aug 29, 2007 2:48 PM PDT reply actions
Now I'm concerned with our bullpen and starting
pitching entering 2008.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 29, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Well... that wasn't surprising at all.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 29, 2007 2:59 PM PDT reply actions
Will it never end
These ex-A's are killing us
Did I hear some booooobirds in the background?
by Huskerland A s Fan on Aug 29, 2007 3:00 PM PDT reply actions
i think there was but the announcers said the
pitch they said was ankle high so maybe booing ump
by smasfan on Aug 29, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard one guy yell...
"We got NOTHING for Loiaza? NOTHING at all?" Did you hear that too?
J/K :-) We have another thread for fighting talking that one out.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 29, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow Huston
you suck buddy!
I don't know what hurts me more, you sucking, or admitting that you suck
by Amnesiac727 on Aug 29, 2007 3:01 PM PDT reply actions
you gotta admit
seeing matt stairs make everyone play in the sun for another hour on a 1-2 count is pretty funny
SQOTM
by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 29, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Just now checking in, and I can't watch
and I haven't ventured elsewhere to find the boxscore
what's the damage?
heading into extras, or will we be seeing canuck brooms?
by SwisherThresher on Aug 29, 2007 3:02 PM PDT reply actions
if we had gotten two outs
before the jays could score two, this one would be in the bag
so I assume Stairs sent the equalizer
over the wall in dramatic fashion
as a diehard hockey fan, this development reaaally bums me out. Because now I'll likely hear it from Oilers, Canucks, Flames, Canadiens, Senators AND, of course, Leafs fans - who also back the Jays
uuugh
C'mon A's - spare me
by SwisherThresher on Aug 29, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm... we were going to beat the Canucks
until a Canuck tied the damn game in the top of the 9th. 4-4 going to the 10th.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 29, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The Jays hit 4 homeruns. Guess what the A' s do?
Hit into 4 Double Plays.
This is beyond sad.
I thought it was 3 GIDP
so far.
What DP did I miss?
(2nd, 6th, 9th)
And one for the Jays too, is that what you're counting?
Stairs homer was on a good pitch out of the zone
by Huskerland A s Fan on Aug 29, 2007 3:12 PM PDT reply actions
I've still
got a soft spot in my heart for Matty. He and Chief and Ben Grieve were the only things worth rooting for in the late nineties. And with all of them, as with the current A's incarnation, it was either a homerun or a double play, usually...
This lineup is disturbing....
Bob Geren must shake his head in disbelief at what he has been dealt before everygame.
i hate this F'n team, the A's that is
by athleticsBB4life on Aug 29, 2007 3:31 PM PDT reply actions
After 10
A's 4 runs, 7 hits, 6 BB, 0 errors, 6K
Jays 4 runs, 7 hits, 6 BB, 0 errors, 5K
It's a shame somebody has to win this game.
Would this be a good time
to mention my unjustified man-love for Hannahan?
Fosse giving us good baseball tips here. Pay attention! Sit up straight!
i don't get
why ray works radio when there's no tv? is he that bored? needs the money that bad? why wouldn't go play golf and have a couple cold ones? i mean i like ray, but he's not great on the radio and just seems to get in the way.
Sacrilige!
Burn him! Burn him!
Seriously, I like Ray. He's not all that great, you're right, but he fits in well with KK and did with BK. And he's a link to former glory. Maybe we can get Gallego to replace him?
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 29, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
i like ray too
just saying if it was me i would so be out playing golf whenever there was no tv rather than in the radio booth. just wondering why he chooses to do radio when there's no tv.
JH is one of the least blameable players
i quit.
for now.
You can't quit, you're fired!
sheez, does not sound good
and by the way...so long farewell, aufeedizane goodbye! elo!
Piazza w/o facial hair looks like 19 yrs old
woohoo a hit!
lets go hannahan, walk the mfer off!
announcer on radio said he had too much top spin
otherwise would have been a homer
by smasfan on Aug 29, 2007 3:49 PM PDT reply actions
Man, CORTRONEO blows, how does he
keep his job again?
Naked pix of Billy Beane & LEw Wolfffffeeeee
He must share these pictures with Glen Kuiper...
by franks a lot on Aug 29, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
That was one of the worst calls of a walk-off hit
I have heard, ever. Unfortunately, that is the norm, not the exception.
I share your sentiment on Kuiper as well.
by SwisherSweet33 on Aug 29, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruddy Lugo is the Greek God
of Weary Bullpens.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 29, 2007 3:56 PM PDT reply actions
If Win-Loss records...
are the most important pitching stat, maybe Lugo will increase in value. What's the market for a 5-0 relief pitcher, with the minor flaw of a +6.00 ERA?
by franks a lot on Aug 29, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
God I wish Joe Morgan ran a team. We could get
a lot for a guy who is undefeated.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 29, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruddy is my buddy.
The win is the best thing about this day. 105 degree heat here in Livermore.
You know,
if you pronounce Ruddy correctly (i.e., Rudy) and then pronounce "buddy" as if it rhymes with Ruddy...
Puts a whole new spin on that comment.
As in "Rudy is my booty buddy"
Interesting Salary Dumps
Well I had to double check who we had under contract for the next few years. The only really expensive players left are Eric Chavez and Mark Kotsay(for only 1 year). This may actually be a smart move because it seems Beane has decided to blow everything up and seriously rebuild for the first time. I'd definitely like to see more good young players at this point and a ditching of most of our mistakes. At this point I'd say Kotsay and Chavez are both mistakes as well...wish that wasn't true as I like both of them! Let's just hope both of them live up to their greatest seasons for once .:) Hopefully with the large amount of freed money, we can finally do some serious offense rebuilding..it NEEDS IT!
CELEBR8 GUD X CMON!!1!
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