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[EDITOR'S NOTE:  I was just about to write something today about how Buck should be the top candidate for rookie of the year in the AL.  That should teach me to open my fat mouth. Honestly, Buck has quickly become one of my favorite players much like Rich Harden did a few years ago because they both have an amazing amount of natural talent.  Someone recently told me that they would compare Buck's swing to that of Wally Joyner.  I can honestly say that I'm not sure if I've ever seen anyone able to stay back on the ball as well as Buck does.  And considering his age?  Wow.  It's just a shame he's so freaking fragile.  Much like Harden.  - Blez]

Furmaniak recalled

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OAKLAND, Calif. - The Oakland A's today placed outfielder Travis Buck on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to August 18 with a strained left hamstring.  To take his spot on the roster, the A's have recalled infielder J.J. Furmaniak from Triple-A Sacramento.

Buck injured his hamstring running the bases in the sixth inning on Friday night against Kansas City.  He was batting .288 with seven home runs and 34 RBI in 82 games with Oakland, including .339 over his final 15 games before the injury.  This is Buck's second stint on the disabled list this year as he was previously out from June 28 to July 14 with a sprained right thumb.

Furmaniak was batting .292 with 15 home runs, 51 RBI and a team leading 21 stolen bases in 106 games with Sacramento.  He hit .318 (7 for 22) in five games following his option from Oakland on August 14.  The 28-year old appeared in 43 games at shortstop, 25 at second base, 21 at third base, 17 in left field and one in right field.  This is his fourth stint with the A's this year and he is 0 for 5 in six games.  Furmaniak went 0 for 1 in one game during his first stint from June 16 to 20, did not play during his second stint from July 12 to 14 and then went 0 for 4 in five games during his third stint from August 3 to 14.

The A's have now used the disabled list 21 times this year, which is one short of the Oakland record of 22 set in 1992.  The players on the DL have combined to miss an Oakland record 946 games.  The A's currently have nine players on the DL and have had at least five players on the DL every day since April 23.  The A's have set an Oakland record by using a Major League leading 50 players this year.

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I thought I'd missed something.

I do that a lot, you know.  So much so that I don't even bother asking for clarification each time.

"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 20, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ohh. F!!!!!!!

OaklandA23 does not come bearing good news.

"Who is Danny and why are we eating his cake?" -Jennifer's mom

by pam5981 on Aug 20, 2007 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

our mysterious inside source

perhaps, someday, we'll learn their secret identity

"San Jose A's of Fremont" is gauche

by ArakSOT on Aug 20, 2007 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

IM IN UR FRANCHISE

LEEKIN UR PRESS RELEESEZ

It's hard to hate someone who helps me pay the rent. ~ mdl @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 20, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

QOTM
Kettlecorn! Swishercorn!

by TurnTwo on Aug 20, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fourth times a charm

for JJ

I hope he gets some AB's.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Aug 20, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I am

JJ

I have a lot of time on my hands since I never get to play.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Aug 20, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow! This is shocking!

The A's actually used the DL in an almost timely manner!

Buck was injured what? Two? Three days ago? And the A's put him on the DL Now?

I thought they would wait 2 weeks, giving him three tries to play only to get re-injured very quickly, as they usually do.

Just please! Stash him on the DL, and don't let him come back until he is HEALTHY. When the Thumb, Wrist, Elbow and Hammy are healthy, then bring him back. We've got nothing to gain and everything to lose if we bring him back before all those injuries are healed. He ain't winning the ROY anyways.

by Zonis on Aug 20, 2007 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Does Swisher have a hamstring-guard?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 20, 2007 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

One more for a new record!
Who's it gonna be?
"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 20, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

d'oh

TWO more.

Math ain't my strong subject.

"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 20, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pshaw. Math? It's Monday!

And that record is so going DOWN!

Let's see - who the hell is left? Maybe Swish, if he keeps running into things, and Shannon, after playing on turf.

"Who is Danny and why are we eating his cake?" -Jennifer's mom

by pam5981 on Aug 20, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shannon will probably get lots of days off

on this road trip.  But next week, when they're home, Swish will run into him on a fly to left center, and take them both out.  And that'll be while Swish is playing first base.

"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 20, 2007 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh NO!!!

That and English? (And fashion, obviously). How sad!!! :-(

-Cindi.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 20, 2007 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this simply bad luck

The A's have now used the disabled list 21 times this year, which is one short of the Oakland record of 22 set in 1992.  The players on the DL have combined to miss an Oakland record 946 games.  The A's currently have nine players on the DL and have had at least five players on the DL every day since April 23.  The A's have set an Oakland record by using a Major League leading 50 players this year.

Or is it something more...

Hmm, anyhow - so, who on the team hasn't joined the DL party?  

by SwisherThresher on Aug 20, 2007 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't anybody answer that question!

preJINX!

"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 20, 2007 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prejinx?

Is that a word that describes the A's this year -
The A's were prejinxed in 2007?

"All you need in life are friends, family and a good bullpen" - spotted on a tshirt in Columbia, SC.

by LongTimeFan on Aug 20, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

...and sprains a face muscle,

rendering him "day-to-till-I feel like playing again."

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 20, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we officially conclude

that CF is cursed this season?

How many players have been injured out there? Swisher (twice), Buck, Bradley (multiple times), Kotsay, Snelling, Kielty...

And the funny thing is, many if not most of those injuries were not sustained playing center field, but rather on the basepaths.

by PaulThomas on Aug 20, 2007 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

maybe

someone should hang a wolverine pelt on the center field wall

by SwisherThresher on Aug 20, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL
"He did a great job. It was hot." -- Bob Geren on Dan Haren

by oblique on Aug 20, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

playing CF for the A's

is like wearing the red uniform in star trek.

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Aug 20, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

or being an anonymous henchman

in an Austin Powers and/or James Bond movie ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Aug 20, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone else concerned about Buck's durability?

He seems to have broken down a lot this year with various ailments and none of them really seem to be the freakish kind that the majority of Crosby's were.  

How long until Buck gets the injury-prone label?

by black beane and rice on Aug 20, 2007 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm concerned

but I would note a few things.

  1. He's missed a bunch of time with bone chips, which should be dealt with in the offseason.
  1. If he had had the thumb guard (Hi, Dr. Nick!), he would not have had to go on the DL earlier in the year.
  1. I'd take any injuries sustained while playing here with a grain of salt. (Guys with injury histories, like Milton Bradley, are a different kettle of fish.) The conditioning "program" for the A's this year is one of the worst I've ever seen.

Every trainer on the staff should be fired as soon as the season is over, along with most of the medical staff. 5-6 preventable DL visits is inexcusable for a major league ballclub. If there's one area where Beane really needs to "clean house," it's the entire A's medical staff stretching deep down into the minor leagues.

by PaulThomas on Aug 20, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is it

about the conditioning program that is so bad?

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Aug 20, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Use of the latest innovations from 1977?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 20, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean Blanton's Thighmaster

from last year's commercials?

I'm really curious to know what they aren't doing that they should be doing as far as conditioning. And I don't mean yoga and acupuncture, which might help, but I doubt any other MLB clubs are doing on a regular basis. It can't be a top secret what other teams are doing to keep players healthier.

Also, Beane shouldn't wait until the off season to make changes. If there's problem, fix it now, before even more players get DL'd.

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Aug 20, 2007 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be lovely if we knew this

but short of a major internal leak, there's just no way to tell, and even if there were, as far as I know none of us are athletic trainers.

It's like dark matter-- we infer that it has to be there because things don't make sense otherwise, but we can't actually see it.

by PaulThomas on Aug 20, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prove it

You say that there have been "5-6 preventable DL visits" this season. Prove it. And I don't mean count injuries and speculate, I mean show us the evidence from doctors specializing in sports medicine or trainers with experience at the professional level who explicitly conclude from the A's injuries this year that their medical staff is to blame.

Until you can do that, this argument just rehashes the same old unproven BS. I'm not picking on PaulThomas here, I'd just like to see something more than recycled accusations.

Blez, if you're reading this, how about trying to get an interview with Larry Davis, as well as a non-A's sports doctor/trainer who could speak generally about "state of the art" injury prevention, management, rehabilitation, etc.... Obviously we'd be getting the broad view in most cases and not much background on specific players/injuries, but it least it would be a step in the right direction.

by andyinfremont on Aug 20, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

An interview with some medical experts

would be great, andyinfremont. But the whole "prove it" gauntlet is what's B.S., IMO. We CAN'T prove it. We don't have access to medical records, and inside info. All we have is circumstantial evidence, like:

The A's own players have expressed distrust that has leaked publicly.

Something as simple as a thumb guard is overlooked.

The A's have had an inordinate number of injuries not one year, not two years, but three years in a row--each year being worse than the last.

When methods are brought up that aren't "what we always do, what we've done for 30 years," the A's training staff scoffs and ignores. Yet only when they go outside the A's staff--be it for acupuncture, chiropractic work, or a specialist with a unique and comprehensive program in Canada--do guys like Chavez and Street actually improve.

The amount, and the content, of the circumstantial evidence makes me put the question back on folks like you, andyinfremont: Why WOULD anyone presume that there ISN'T a problem with the A's health team?

What would it take?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 20, 2007 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

In other words

we can prove the effect, but we can't prove the cause.  The cause seems to be inherently unproveable, so let's examine the list of things that could be the affect:

  1.  Poor effort to stay in condition by the players.
  1.  Poor instruction on how to stay in condition by the training staff.
  1.  Genetic inability to withstand the rigors of baseball.

Fortunately, option #1 is quite provable through observation.  So, if you can't prove #1, #2 or #3 is probably the cause.  #3 is Beane's responsibility to address; if the problem really is that we acquire such players, the staff certainly shouldn't suffer for it.  Of course, it will be somewhat difficult for Larry Davis to fire Billy.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Aug 21, 2007 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Buck goes down for a Furmaniak..

there's a joke in there somewhere..

He's not going to try to kill you, I'm just going to try to doink you. -Rex Hudler

by JediLeroy on Aug 20, 2007 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

There's really not ;)
"Who is Danny and why are we eating his cake?" -Jennifer's mom

by pam5981 on Aug 20, 2007 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go, white Milton!

Wait, is that racist?

It's so bitterly ironic that we got rid of Milton Bradley to replace him with a whiter, shaggier carbon copy.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Aug 20, 2007 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

talk about a jinx, Blez...

actually, I was thinking about that today. However, even if Buck could stay healthy this season, I'm not sure I'd put him at the top of the list. The 2007 rookie class is chock full of impressive performers (unlike some past years).

by OaklandSi on Aug 20, 2007 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting question:

Where would 2004 Crosby rank in this year's ROY voting?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 20, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

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