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Who cares? We win!

Fine. I give up. There is absolutely a difference between hitting with the bases empty and hitting with RISP, and this team consistently proves it every single day. Yes, the large majority of our hitters can’t hit anyway, but they are beyond awful with runners in scoring position, even in cases where they don’t even need a hit to score a run!

Oh, wait. That was the paragraph I wrote in case the A’s lost. Oh...wait...it’s still applicable.

Despite the A’s offense’s valiant effort to keep their total runs scored under 4, the A’s pitching staff--from Braden’s excellent start to  Embree’s big boy save--managed to make three meager runs hold up all the way to the win. Despite both teams putting runners all over the place today, the difference in the game was a solo (is there any other kind?) homerun.  

Embree had one of his best performances of the season, coming in to clean up with the bases loaded and less than two outs, and not only got out of the eighth unscored upon, after the Tigers did their best impression of the A’s offense, but also squeaked through the ninth as well. The game should be worth three saves, and three wins. We’d be caught up in no time.

This is one of those great wins that would have been an absolute maddening loss, but I’m not worried--the A’s picked up the series win. Bye bye Detroit! Be sure to pick up a stuffed elephant on your way out!

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these were the types of game

the a's played last season:

  • clutch pitching by the starter and bullpen
  • shitty situational hitting
  • even worse clutch hitting
  • the occasional string of hits or hr
  • a game closer than it really needed to be

by truelements on Aug 1, 2007 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I love people again. Two wins in a row.

I will be in Oakland in less than 48 hours... so I got that going for me, which is nice.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

When do you leave?
HAVE FUN! I hate you.
"Whoa, are you saying... a testosterone-addled Rich Harden, in a fit of misplaced aggression after growing several extra pairs, ran over LAXile?" Poppy

by Jennifer on Aug 1, 2007 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leaving at 6:25 a.m. on Friday morning and
touching down in Oakland around noon, I believe.  I am very excited about HAVING to meet Poppy!

Jennifer- I really recommend that you stop hating people.  It's just not healthy and you may find yourself in quite a predicament someday if you don't change your attitude.  

BTW-  IT'S A GUN!!!

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

o2b is a h8 h8er
"Ten times thy self were better than ten Hattebergs" -- Monkeyball, channeling Shakespeare

by iglew on Aug 1, 2007 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I drink h8r-aide by the barrel.
Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

6:25 AM?

Wow, that's a long day. I thought my flight left early at nine. It was a NS flight and we landed a little after 10:30 AM, which wasn't bad. I had time to catch a nap before the game.

Are you going to the game that night? Bring a parka. I am not kidding. I ended up purchasing a hoodie for $92.44. It wasn't even that special. Of course, I was going to buy something anyway, but I almost had kittens when the guy told me how much. I got my credit card bill in the mail today. Holy. Crap. My left kidney is now up for sale.

And I don't hate people. I just hate you.

Gun? For shooting rats? Me?

"Whoa, are you saying... a testosterone-addled Rich Harden, in a fit of misplaced aggression after growing several extra pairs, ran over LAXile?" Poppy

by Jennifer on Aug 1, 2007 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

We rarely get NS flights from the "Air Capital

of the WORLD" so we are stopping off in Denver first.  Lovely, eh?  The flight was only $200 while ST cost $460 so that is a deal.

Sure am.  I have an A's hoodie ready for Friday and may take an A's jacket in too.  I'm not taking a parka or thermal underwear so hopefully I'll be warm enough.  It is hotter than a mutha heck right now here so it will be a shock to the system.  Good luck on your kidney sale.  You might try craigslist.

You suck.  Did you hear that or do you want me to turn it up?  YOU!  SUCK!

It's a gun.  What is "what's that?" from last night.

 

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad you're not going to the Thursday game

I'm going to that one

Green Hulk Fists and all

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Aug 1, 2007 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully I'll catch up with you next year.

Oh well... we'll both get to see part of the sweep this weekend.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good series win for Oakland

although Swisher's hitting is starting to get concerning.  He looked awful, and I wonder if he needs a couple of days off.  I think he's in one of those ruts where he's behind the fastball and out in front of the off-speed pitches.  A bad combination.

by IndianaAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

We spayed the Motor City Kitties!

YAY!

As long as Joe Kennedy didn't pitch, we had a chance.

"Woo hoo!" - mikeA

by McFood on Aug 1, 2007 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Bringing in Joe Kennedy...

Would have been incompatible with a positive outcome.

And would have been a classic Macha move, methinks.

by a tad askew on Aug 1, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hah, nice joke thread.

Like we won two consecutive games, much less against the defending AL champs.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Aug 1, 2007 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Sell High

If there is a GM who will view Embree through the lens of "irrational exuberance" his value is probably at its peak.

by NoeValley on Aug 1, 2007 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

can't sell high

 Because the other GMs in baseball are idiots and will not trade their prospects for a solid reliever.  Embree is signed for next year at a cheap price so you would want a solid player back unfortunately they all think the A's should give away players.

by Arcman on Aug 1, 2007 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ethier, Buck, Ellie, Series Win

I like Andre Ethier and wish him the best, but you can certainly see why the A's brass felt that Buck was the better player.  The guy can play.

As for Ellis ... best player on the team.  (Stop me if you've heard this before.)

Finally, nice series win against a good Detroit club.  No reason the A's shouldn't have clobbered Robertson in Game 1 of last year's ALCS, the game in which they set a major league record by going 0-13 with RISP.  

The ALCS.

Sigh.

by solotar on Aug 1, 2007 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

amen on Ellis

I would have him on my team anytime.

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

i disagree

dan haren is the best player on the team.  travis buck is the best position player on the team.

ellis is the least bad of the rest, perhaps.  he's an average offensive player and a well above average defensive player.

by stm72 on Aug 1, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with you. If Two-Buck was still here

than I would say he would probably be better than plain ol' T-Buck.  That guy is okay for a rookie :-)

If Ellis hits the 20-homer plateau as a slick-fielding 2nd baseman than I don't see how you can consider that "average."  He ain't Brett Boone on steroids but the guy is a pretty good all-around player.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don't disagree

but to say ellis is the best player on the team is a farce.  swisher is better.  cust is better.  buck and haren are better.

by the way, i said he's an average hitter and a well above average defensive player.  yes, he's shown some pop this year, but a .730 ops puts him about 6th amongst qualified AL players - include kinsler and grudzielanek and ellis drops into the bottom half offensively.  i'll call him average offensively.

by stm72 on Aug 1, 2007 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

i meant

...6th amongst qualified AL second baseman...i left out the second basemen part.

by stm72 on Aug 1, 2007 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that he is not the best player and I was

using the "gold glove analogy" in reverse.  If you have a great offensive year than you are more likely to win a gold glove if you are a good defensive player.  I just think Ellis has the intangibles that make me want to throw OPS out the window because he is so freaking good defensively.  

I projected him to hit 20 homers so I'm probably talking to myself more than anything because it could now happen.  I'm kind of old fashioned in that I expect 30/100 from left side guys (not with this bunch) but I would take 20 dingers from my 2B any year.  

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

cool

i hope to meet you at AN Day 4

by stm72 on Aug 1, 2007 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless the plane doesn't make it to SF...

it's a done deal.  See ya Friday or Saturday!

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ellis is an all around solid ball player

He fields everything to him plus some, he knows how to advance a runner from second to third, he works the count well, he basically plays baseball the way its meant to be played... but despite what the A's website headline says, his shot was not a "clutch homer".

by Haren I mean Harden on Aug 1, 2007 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Ellis

As far as advancing runners, and bringing home a runner from thirdbase w/ less than 2 outs... Ellis is in the same boat as all of his teammates.  He's not getting the job done as much has I'd like, except w/ the occasional sac. bunt.

In fact, I'd say he's in the bottom 1/2 of all A's players in bringing a runner home from thirdbase w/ less than 2 outs.  Can anyone provide a stat?

by Colorado Fan on Aug 2, 2007 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

is it me

or is this the most frustrating, heart-rending, most goddamn confounding season for this club in a loooong time?

tdwclark

by tdwclark on Aug 1, 2007 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes on all accounts. This could have easily

happened to us in 2006 but Big Hurt just wouldn't let that happen.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Makes you stop and wonder

if he should've been the MVP after all.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 1, 2007 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It still pisses me off that he wasn't. I thought

he was easily the most deserving candidate last year.  If he played for the Yankees... it would have been a "no-brainer."

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice series win....some good play

from certain guys and soem not so good play from others. Overall, 2 of 3 from the kitties is good.

Halos Heaven is like the war on terror...it's a joke.

by Vegas A's Fan on Aug 1, 2007 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

2 down 18 to go

 waiting for the 20 wins in a row to get us back into the playoff race

by Arcman on Aug 1, 2007 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

currently

Mark Ellis is 5th amongst A's batters in VORP.

without looking it up can you name the other 4??

DON'T LOOK!!

"I can't wait for tommorrow, cause I get so much cooler every day" - shirt worn by Swish

by Bigtoe on Aug 1, 2007 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Cust, Stewart, Piazza, Swisher?

Swisher's probably wrong.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Aug 1, 2007 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have

3 of the 4 right

"I can't wait for tommorrow, cause I get so much cooler every day" - shirt worn by Swish

by Bigtoe on Aug 1, 2007 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

RIGHT!

wow, that was a fun game!

the order is

Swish
Cust
Stewart
Buck
Ellis

"I can't wait for tommorrow, cause I get so much cooler every day" - shirt worn by Swish

by Bigtoe on Aug 1, 2007 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO-O-O-O-O!!!!!!

I've been looking forward to it for quite some time.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

and has it been looking backward to you?
I'm not throwing in the towel, but I'm using it to wipe the sweat off my face and enjoy the rest of the season. ~ oaklandSMASH @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 2, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

sadly

dj is 6th and chavvy is 7th.

by stm72 on Aug 1, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

but at least Kendall is last.  That is fun.

"I can't wait for tommorrow, cause I get so much cooler every day" - shirt worn by Swish

by Bigtoe on Aug 1, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, those guys

are like last and 2nd-to-last in the entire American League.

by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2007 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you use WARP

which also takes defense (albeit BP's highly questionable method of measuring it) into account the order becomes

Ellis
Swisher
Stewart
Buck
Cust

which I think is pretty reasonable. Although personally I don't rate Stewart nearly that highly.

Maybe the dark is from your eyes.

by andeux on Aug 1, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow

so ellis is the best position player on the team.  No offense to Ellis, but that is very sad.

and apparently WARP doesn't take into account for noodle arms!!  

"I can't wait for tommorrow, cause I get so much cooler every day" - shirt worn by Swish

by Bigtoe on Aug 1, 2007 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't rate CUST that highly.
"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 2, 2007 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great win!

Awesome pitching and timely hitting! Yes, they left a lot of runners in scoring position BUT the Tiggers left more! WE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's make it 3 in a row tomorrow! Yay! NO Lackey!~ Go A's~!

by A'sfansince1970 on Aug 1, 2007 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

No Lackey?

He's pitching against Haren Sunday.

by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2007 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

But except for that game,

he's not pitching against us at all.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone catch Frandsen's AB just now?

A great example of what the A's don't do enough. He fought off a tough borderline 2-2 pitch (turns out it would have been just off the outside corner) and fouled it off--instead of risking getting rung up by the ump--and then expanded the zone a bit against the same pitch and lined a soft RBI single to CF. He didn't walk with RISP, but he shore did hit. It's not all about strikes vs. balls; it's about bad pitches to hit vs. hittable pitches.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

You're watching a Giants game?

Go to your room right now!

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Aug 1, 2007 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like it

Picking out one AB that you saw with your own eyes and then relaying an anecdote with it instead of backing it up with actual numbers.

It shorely is not about strikes and balls, there are only so many of those you can get in an AB, it shorely is really about risking outs instead of prolonging the inning.

This is just a sample of the deep, deep thinking that made me one of the greatest managers of all time.

by Dusty Baker on Aug 1, 2007 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course this guy disagrees with me

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ch...

"Oakland took the top spot at 32% but didn't strike out that much overall (9th in the AL). But of course strikeouts in general have little correlation with offensive productivity and strike outs looking probably much less so. "

But what the hell does he know, he's probably just some nerd in his mom's basement's internets. He's not a baseball man like me.

by Dusty Baker on Aug 1, 2007 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bonds 0 for 3 with a BB,

taken out for PR in the top 8th.
Undoubtedly staying on the bench to root for the
TEAM . . . NOT!
Likely the first guy to the showers (again!)
First and always, a jerk . . . and an a-hole!

"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah this sounds like Barry

That guy is a complete tool, its not like he's the best baseball player of all time or anything and should be entitled to do whatever the hell he wants. He needs to quit being so honest and forthright and instead go about saying only nice things to the media and being their puppet.

Barry Bonds is totally not cool.

by Dusty Baker on Aug 1, 2007 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

GMJ hits a homer in the 9th off Putz to tie

the game at 7-7.  It was 7-5.  What a game!

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Putz looked gassed in the 9th

I suggested in last night's game thread that the Mariners season may have peaked on Monday night.  The M's have an opportunity to win this one in the last of the 9th or in extra innings...but a loss would be brutal.

"In America, there's someone willing to pretend to be offended by everything, and so we annoy people." -- Matt Groening

by Soaker on Aug 1, 2007 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe in momentum and Seattle would

be devastated if they lost tonight.  Did you see what GMJ's career average was vs. Putz?  It was .636 and is now a Satan-ish .666.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the 10th in Seattle

Looking at the A's schedule...after this weekend's Angels series, there are no meaningful games between now and Labor Day except for the two Detroit series.  If the Mariners drop out of the race and the Angels have the AL West wrapped up by Labor Day, September is almost totally meaningless too, except for the Cleveland series and possibly the two games in Boston.  So, I REALLY want the Mariners to stay alive in this race into mid-September, because otherwise there are just too many A's games that no one will care about.

Yes, this would be a HORRIBLE loss for the M's.  They are hosting the Red Sox for 3 this weekend, while the Angels come to Oakland for 4.  Could be a huge turning point in the season.

"In America, there's someone willing to pretend to be offended by everything, and so we annoy people." -- Matt Groening

by Soaker on Aug 1, 2007 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dusty: great pitching moves in '02 WS gms 6 & 7!
"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 9:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks, its great to have so many fans

Next time you might want to reply directly to my posts as it makes it easier to follow. Even the great ones like me can lose things in the shuffle.

by Dusty Baker on Aug 1, 2007 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

This game was so exciting.

I had so much fun today.  I almost forgot what it was to have fun at a game.  The Ellis homerun was the icing on the cake!

"I want to live and I want to love. I want to catch something that I might be ashamed of." SPM

by mlleaimee on Aug 1, 2007 9:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't the M's still have a bunch of makeup DH's

against the Tribe and BoSox?
Those will do wonders for the pitching!

"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Most of those have been made up

They still have 2 makeups vs. the Tribe, but one of those will be played at Safeco the last week of the season (as part of a doubleheader within a previously scheduled series).  The other one necessitates another special trip to Cleveland on Aug. 30.

"In America, there's someone willing to pretend to be offended by everything, and so we annoy people." -- Matt Groening

by Soaker on Aug 1, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

And how 'bout the Dodgers' 8th inning rally?

Bunt single by Furcal, slap bunt single to SS by Pierre (with E6 putting runners at 1st and 3rd), Pierre steals second, Luis Gonzalez two run off-field double, Nomar bombs 2-run HR.

Of course steals are bad risks, and Nomar doesn't walk enough, so...Yeah. Oh, and it was actually INTERESTING to watch because YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 9:55 PM PDT reply actions  

You should see me after a LOSS!

(and yes, I AM available for parties.)

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Nico, the Dawdgers have Tommy Lasagna

eating . . . er,rooting . . .for them in the stands!
How can you beat that?

"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't if you're Mike Piazza

Apparently Lasorda was the only guy who thought Piazza could actually hit a baseball.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drafted in that "magical" 62nd round.
Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

No quite correct

Tommy Lasorda (as I understand it) had a "buddy" whose son played baseball.  As a favor to his "buddy", Tommy instructed the Dodgers to draft Piazza in the final round, when often no one is even picked (they simply pass).  This fulfilled a "felt obligation" to his friend.  Lasorda only went on his friend's word on his son.  That "son" was Mike Piazza.

And rest is internet.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 2, 2007 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite correct ..s/b

typo unedited.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 2, 2007 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

LAAAAA vs Seattle

hope this game goes about eleventy-seven innings and wears everyone out!

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

As long as Seattle wins

That way Stoneman feel pressure to make a deal for Piazza.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Aug 1, 2007 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

...And the Mariners win

Don't forget that part!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

they are both ahead of us

but you are absolutely correct.  If we cannot win the division then I am rooting for the M's

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am watching the D-backs vs Pads

D-backs look pretty darn good . . . .especially that blonde headed wild man named Byrnes.  Sure wish we had him out our team.  :-)

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Then Kennedy would not be on the A's

where would that leave us??

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 1, 2007 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

having more fun?
Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is blonde so that makes sense.
Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

me too

and a natural at that

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brynes tried to stretch a single into a double

and Milton threw him out at second.  I want them both back . . . but only if healthy!

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Geez. Physioc must have high BP after that last

call.  He was distorting my TV speakers with his excitable call.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:05 PM PDT reply actions  

WOW WHAT A PLAY IN SEATTLE

Angels had 1st and 3rd, 1 out in the 10th with Cabrera and Guerrero up and COULD NOT SCORE.  What kind of a lousy team can't figure out a way to score there!?!?  Oh, wait...

"In America, there's someone willing to pretend to be offended by everything, and so we annoy people." -- Matt Groening

by Soaker on Aug 1, 2007 10:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Check out Lookout Landing (Mariners)

they are all so certain, "Game OVER!" when Putz comes in (with his AC/DC "Thunder" song).

It was great to see Putz blow it, and all the Lookout Landing "FUUUUUUUUUUUCK" stuff.

The A's hit some drives off Putz on Sunday.  He wasn't fooling anyone.  Perhaps he's dropped 2-5 mph as the season wears.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 1, 2007 10:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I saw Putz live on Saturday,

when he K'd 4 in 1.1 IP, and he looked guuuuuuuuuud. Maybe overworked this week?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean Thunderstruck?

Its only got probably the greatest guitar opening of all time. I love listening to it before all my ESPN broadcasts.

by Dusty Baker on Aug 1, 2007 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Milty just tied it up with a 3 run jack bottom of

the night.  The announcer just said "Thank you Oakland"  Can I cry now?

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

sorry . . .mis-typed it was a 2 run jack

"and they are on their feet for Milton Bradley"

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That continues to tear me up inside. God I liked

Bradley when he played.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too. Both times.

:-(

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Smartass!
Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like anyone with a pulse

and right now we do not have too many of those.  "leading by example"  "fan favorite"  Some of the announcers comments.  Now I would like to see Byrnes hit one out to have them take the lead.

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's all go out to Oakland Airport, and

"welcome in the Angels" (as Vinny is always saying);
after the impending loss they'll need a "pick up" --
Whaddya figure, about 2am?

"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

F up the suicide squeeze -- nice, M's!
"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

What a disastrous bottom of the 10th for

the Mariners!  A non-executed squeeze play is quite ugly to see.  

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

That's why we don't bunt -- we'd rather

K, and then ground out weakly to second.
There's the right way to strand the runners, and
a wrong way to strand the runners!

"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the suicide squeeze

is probably the worst play in baseball. If the infield is back you don't need to use it to score even on a ground ball, and if the infield is in your hitter becomes about a .350-.400 hitter (or whatever the exact BA is), plus a sac fly does the trick. And unlike the strikeout or pop up, when the squeeze fails, you lose the runner at third. It's fun for fans, but in fact I think it's a pretty stupid call.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

thus the name of the play
Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point--I much prefer

the "homicide squeeze". That's where you bunt it down the third base line, and DiNardo stabs the third baseman before he can field it, while Piazza threatens to bludgeon the umpire with a chainsaw if he says anything.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's probably better to have Brandon Buckley

commit the crime because he can do the time.  Chavez's brother just doesn't have the heart to pull that off.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyway, we need an Italian,

not a Mexican! Oh yeah, no prob.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair it really depends on the team whether

it's a stupid play or not.  I've seen the Angels execute it very well but it's really not part of the Mariners' game.  

We sure as hell aren't the type of team that should try it.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

On that play...

...the Angels had brought GMJ in to play infield.  Not sure what a 2-man outfield does to Jose Lopez' batting average.  Whatever...Bloomquist was a dead duck.

"In America, there's someone willing to pretend to be offended by everything, and so we annoy people." -- Matt Groening

by Soaker on Aug 1, 2007 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, imagine what

a grounder to GMJ would do to his fielding percentage.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder what a 2-man outfield

would do to Jack Cust's batting average. Not much?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

But... but...

you didn't know what was going to happen!

I mean, that's the goal, right? Not, you know, winning.

by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ignoring you from now on

Just FYI.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to hear it

I really do mean well.

Shrug. You do what you have to, I guess.

by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2007 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just figure there are plenty

people on here who are just as knowledgeable and insightful, but who don't choose to act smug, or condescending, or "all-knowing," so why not just talk to them? I've already settled for Poppy--I am NOT going any lower than that.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2007 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're so cute.

{pats Nico on head}
{hears disturbing hollow thumping sound}

"They weren't frightened of me, they LOVED me!" ~ McFood, deep in denial

by Poppy on Aug 2, 2007 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

When you patted me on the head,

your hand was SO 5'8" off the ground. At LEAST.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your philosophy on suicide squeeze

involves two premises I don't accept:

(1) That the batter will not make contact, compared to  swinging the bat.  With practice, any MLB batter should be able to at least foul a bunt attempt.

(2) That .350-.400 is an acceptable rate for hitting with a runner at third.  Compared to a success rate of , say .750 on a squeeze (if the players actually practiced) I'd say almost all other outcomes fall short.

In several games...even yesterday, a runner at third (Bowen) was out at the plate, even with good contact. Too often, the ball is hit right at a player, or the flyball to the outfield is not far enough (for the Tigers yesterday).  

I simply feel it has become a death spiral in baseball for the squeeze play.  Since it is rarely called, few practice bunting.  The result is, few execute.  So, then, it is seldom called, etc.  Because of this, stats on bunting to score a run are flawed.

When pitchers got too fast for me, and I didn't have the reaction time to hit a baseball or get out of the way of a pitch at my head (at age 13) I could still bunt, and make contact about 95% of the time.  And a fair bunt, on the ground (not popped) about 75%.  Thus I don't understand why it is not more often used with the game on the line.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 2, 2007 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The key difference, to me, is that

in a regular AB you don't have to swing at anything (i.e, the next pitch no matter what), but on a squeeze you HAVE to bunt at even a bad ball--and sometimes that pitch won't be very easy even to foul off. Unless you're a good contact hitter, in which case you probably won't strike out if you swing away.

And the squeeze gives up an out in a situation where the batter has a big leg up on getting a hit (infield in). Plus, with the squeeze a miss = a pickoff at third and a pop up = a DP. Rather than practicing the squeeze more, I'd suggest practicing better runner-at-third-less-than-2-outs hitting, focusing on making contact and hitting the ball either hard or in the air. The squeeze makes sense for a handful of guys, including Kendall and Eckstein, but IMO it does not make sense for very many guys.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2007 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the other hand,

the opposing team cannot defend against a squeeze play unless they guess correctly that it's on.  The only defense is a pitch out.  

If you really need one run, it's a great play.  Especially if its late in the game and a tied score.  It is worth sacrificing an out for a run in that case.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Aug 2, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactamente!
It's fine not to squeeze when you've got Giambi, Tejada, a healthy Chavez... a bunch of guys who hit.

Instead, the stats for failing with RISP are piling up.  When you are LAST in the league, you must take option "B".... a lot!  Early innings, late, WHATEVER IT TAKES!

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 3, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't make sense for very many
guys because no one practices... Travis Buck the exception.  He claims he is an "excellent bunter".

And, it doesn't have to be a "suicide squeeze".  It can be a "safety squeeze".  In fact, if the runner breaks too early, a verbal shout tips off the pitcher, and often they will throw at the batter.  Hmmmmmm, with the bases loaded, that might not be a bad idea!  Passed ball might happen too.

The idea that the runner is an automatic "out" also presumes that the bunt is not "perfectly placed".  Remember Ichiro's bunt on Casilla last Sunday?  There are a lot of possible outcomes IF you put the ball in play to a spot where the infielders won't reach it for two seconds.

I'd say bases loaded no one out in the 9th, playing at home, tied or trailing by one run, the suicide squeeze is the only ticket.  We saw just a scene with Boston, and the A's FAILED TO SCORE! Chavvy won it with a HR in the 11th, and all was forgotten.  And he's the one who couldn't put the ball in play in the 9th.

From reading "Walter Johnson-Baseball's Big Train" I can see that the bunt played a big deal in the game of old.  First time the Detroit Tigers faced Johnson, they thought he was a hick.  A couple of batters later, and they knew they'd never seen such speed (estimated 99-100mph).  So Cobb bunted twice, scored twice.  Tigers won.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 3, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mariners blow squeeze, game goes to 11th

Ironic that Scioscia benefits from a blown squeeze.  This is a terrific game.

One thing about tonight...it shows that there is a lot of great baseball left to be played in 2007.  It's just that the A's won't be involved in much of it.  Those of you who are holdouts might consider a 2-month subscription to MLB.TV (or Extra Innings).

"In America, there's someone willing to pretend to be offended by everything, and so we annoy people." -- Matt Groening

by Soaker on Aug 1, 2007 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Or a homicide squeeze if JoKe is on the mound,

picks up the bunt, and then nails the runner
in the head with a wild throw . . . knocking
him dead before he crosses the plate!

"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 10:23 PM PDT reply actions  

You design a play for JoKe

that involves murder and JoKe walks away from it alive?

Try again.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

unless it someone with a size 8 hat

JoKe couldn't anything that small

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got something against verbs?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

verbs yes

herbs no

It has been a long day  . . . .what can I say other than I want to HIT something which, unlike JoKe, I could do.

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Conjugated herbs?
Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

coagulated blurbs?
Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

How sad that you could have

also replaced "JoKe" with "Jack Cust". Or "Larry Davis with a diagnosis."

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Davis does not "diagnos"

he guesses based on looking at stuff on WebMD

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are giving him waaaay too much credit.

Surely they know something about thumb guards?

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

No it's true--

I looked up "shoulder, forearm, butt, and back pain" and WebMD says, "If patient is insufficiently Mexican, do not allow surgery."

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Size 8 or greater leaves . . .

Mench, OR
the "player's manager", Bochy, OR
since what, 2000, Barry Lamar -- any other
candidates???

"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 10:30 PM PDT reply actions  

my ex

Can I bean him?

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure.

And thanks for asking!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels can't score in 11th

Bases loaded 1 out.  Haynes (PH for Mathis) strikes out and Willits grounds to second.

I swear, in the last 8 hours or so, between my afternoon at the Coliseum and watching this game in Seattle on TV, I have set a personal record for most runners left on base in critical late-game situations in one day.

"In America, there's someone willing to pretend to be offended by everything, and so we annoy people." -- Matt Groening

by Soaker on Aug 1, 2007 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice to know we're not

the only ones. Too bad we were the only one of four teams with nothing at stake, but...oh well.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2007 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

New Angels ETA: 3am . . .
"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Byrnes just hit an infield single

and the go-ahead run scored.

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Tracy just hit a 3 run bomb

9 - 5 D-backs

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

D-backs win

Yay!!!

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh come on! I want a 12th inning!!!!
"Who is Danny and why are we eating his cake?" -Jennifer's mom

by pam5981 on Aug 1, 2007 10:39 PM PDT reply actions  

There you go... I'm out so that I can get

5 hours of sleep.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

why so much?
Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pshaw. Who needs sleep?
"Who is Danny and why are we eating his cake?" -Jennifer's mom

by pam5981 on Aug 1, 2007 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy for you to say at 10:42. It's 12:42 here.
Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 1, 2007 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep :)
"Who is Danny and why are we eating his cake?" -Jennifer's mom

by pam5981 on Aug 1, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dang West Coasters.

Why are there so many of you posting here?

by el campysino on Aug 1, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any chance Bud-Lite can suddenly appear

and declare the A's/M's game a tie???

"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

M's win!!!!

Yay!!!!

Baseball is life. . . at least that is what my sweatshirt says.

by 0R0H0E on Aug 1, 2007 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

The Mmmmmm's win, the Mmmmmm's win!!!
"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Betancourt!!!

Reminds me of Miguel Tejada ca. 1999.  The errors can be frustrating to watch but there is a whole lot of upside at the SS position for the M's.

"In America, there's someone willing to pretend to be offended by everything, and so we annoy people." -- Matt Groening

by Soaker on Aug 1, 2007 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love him.

I think he's going to be a fantastic big league shortstop.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Aug 2, 2007 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

We are sorry to anounce that SeaTac is now closed

All those departing for California
should board the train beyond the right
field fence -- it departs at 5am!!!  

"Even I don't believe half the things I say . . ." Barry Bonds to New York press corps, 2004

by millbraeforAsfan on Aug 1, 2007 11:05 PM PDT reply actions  

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