A's Are Offensive
Yes, the team that we've been lamenting their inability to score runs has actually averaged 6.1 runs a game since the team left Shea Stadium. The problem is that the team that was once so good about pitching is giving up more than five runs a game.
Lenny DiNardo showed signs of coming unglued for a little while and it all unraveled tonight. The A's kept battling back to try and make a game of it and part of me thought the team actually had a chance, but alas it wasn't meant to be.
And in case you didn't read things, it's not going to get any better any time soon, at least where the bullpen is concerned. Justin Duchscherer has finally decided to go under the knife and is gone for the year. So while it looked like he might be coming back soon, you know that where the A's are concerned it's always more than meets the eye (gratuitous Transformers plug). Marco Scutaro may also be joining the injury brigade after taking a pitch off the hand too, so we're going to see a lot of Bobby Crosby whether we like it or not.
I'd offer up something here to make you feel better about Rich Harden possibly joining the rotation soon and taking the chance that DiNardo or Lewis might take the next start, but it doesn't appear likely, not when you read things like this:
On the other hand, the A's offense appears to have finally come alive a bit. Dan Johnson has now homered in three straight games. Shannon Stewart is now batting over .300. Eric Chavez's OPS is slowly climbing. If the A's can survive outings by their revolving fifth chair of a starter, then they can still compete. The problem is that the bullpen still remains such an issue right now and it now looks like this is the hand they're going to be dealt for quite a while.
Oh and it was good to see Frank Thomas tonight, even if he did smack the A's pitching around the yard. It reminded me of the good times he provided us with last year. It's just too bad that those times wound up being so short lived.
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i know this has become a hate kendall site
and i agree that suzuki should be groomed as the catcher of the future but obviously he has a lot to learn - if this team has a shot at making a run at the postseason it will be with jason catching at least 75% of the time - i know it's a small sample size but what is the team era with suzuki catching so far??
I look at this situation the same way the yankees were in 96-97-98 when posada was behind girardi learning the postion - everyone knows who the catcher of the future is, but he needs time to learn what he's doing back there
by jalvarez on Jul 2, 2007 10:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Look at who he catches for.
Not Haren / Blanton.
by MobiusKlein on Jul 2, 2007 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I really don't understand the logic of starting out a rookie catcher, catching the worst pitcher on the staff almost exclusively. If you want the Ace to be caught by the lead catcher thats fine, but let Suzuki catch Blanton or Gaudin (more then once).
What are the A's trying to accomplish besides besides ruin Suzuki's self esteem.
by Threepwood XX on Jul 2, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That won't ruin his self esteem
Catchers understand it is the pitchers throwing the ball. Geren, and everyone else, know that when DiNardo's location is off he's going to get lit up. His location was terrible last night, and that has nothing to do with who is catching.
Kendall gets way too much credit for how he calls a game. The trust he gets from the pitchers comes from how we works with them off the field, in meetings, and general respect for how he plays the game. That translates into the pitchers trusting him during games. Suzuki will get there, but for now I wouldn't change a whole lot with Blanton and Haren. Keep them in their comfort zones because they are the only two reliable starters right now.
by IndianaAsfan on Jul 3, 2007 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to get flamed for this but...
CALL UP MADSEN NOW!
by Threepwood XX on Jul 2, 2007 11:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Harden is pathetic.
If the dude can only pitch once a week, maybe he should be rehabbing in the minors instead of taking up a roster spot that can be used for a pitcher who can make more than one appearance a week.
by lenscrafters on Jul 2, 2007 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Memo to Rich Harden:
The guy can't stay healthy, he can't pitch through pain, and its a waste of time and energy waiting for someone who appears to think he is Godot.
Go back to the minors and give a holler when you can hit 80-90 pitches every five days. Until then, we really have no use for you.
by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Yikes. But True.
Either put the guy under the knife and fix whatever is ailing him, throw him out there as a starter and see what happens, or make him the closer.
We're doing none of these three, and you're right, it's just taking up a roster spot. He's only been pitching in mop-up situations anyway. Throw the guy into the fire. Give him a save opp. I have a feeling that's where he's going to wind up anyway.
by Crosbino on Jul 2, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is
He can't pitch often enough to warrant being used as the closer.
by lenscrafters on Jul 2, 2007 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then pitch him as often as he should be used
He'll go back on the DL, then have a chance to rehab properly in Sac. Or have the surgery.
Taking a roster slot for 2 innings a week MAX is not what's needed.
by MobiusKlein on Jul 2, 2007 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
The A's have seriously handcuffed themselves having Harden on the roster. Bottom line, he isn't contributing to the team, and if you're not contributing, then you have no place on the team.
It's gotten to the point where I'm fed up with the whole will he/won't he regarding whether or not he'll pitch. I just want the guy off the team off the team as soon as possible.
by lenscrafters on Jul 2, 2007 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
memo to Nico
Being the most talented player the A's have had since, I don't know, McGwire, Harden should get a few weeks of special treatment. If that comes at the expense of the likes of Ruddy Lugo or _____ ________, so be it. The reliever who's next in line to get called up from Sacramento is not going to be what elevates this team out of mediocrity.
by Cutthemullet on Jul 3, 2007 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither will Harden
at two innings a week.
by IndianaAsfan on Jul 3, 2007 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup...
like we've said in the recent past, he is a non-issue at this point.
I really dont understand the A's thinking on things this year, but I suppose thats why BB/Forst have their jobs and not any of us....
One thing I would do if I had a say: find out conclusively why this team is made of glass, so to speak. I think this is the #1 issue with this club...no way to compete if you cant get your planned team out on the field on a regular basis.
Why the injuries? and constantly and recurring? Something is amiss in this area, and no amount of spin is going to fix it.
If I were BB for a week, this would be my mission, whether or not I hold the med. staff accountable, the players training regimens(or lack thereof!!), whatever. Get to the bottom of this, fix it and compete. The way the club has gone the last three seasons is nothing short of ridiculous....and its not a small mkt./undervalue thing either. Something is wrong and needs to be addressed.
by tdwclark on Jul 3, 2007 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden
Harden doesn't listen to any of the A's Medical Staff. He goes to his own chiropracter in Vancouver. He lifted a lot of weights early in his career, and I think that is what has caused the recent problems. He says he's backed off the weights, but what happens to muscle when it is no longer 'worked' as it was before??? Muscle breaks down.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 3, 2007 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, agree, agree
I find it laughable the guy thinks he could have been a hockey player...
by IndianaAsfan on Jul 3, 2007 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol IndianaAsfan
I thought you were more optimistic about Harden being able to stay healthy? ;)
by lenscrafters on Jul 3, 2007 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was
but the last week and a half has just worn me out with him. He feels "achy" so he can't pitch, and now that he's thrown a whole two innings they "hope" to have him pitch next weekend. I was trying to be optimistic before, but he's just worn me out with all the wishy washy stuff. Either something is wrong that needs surgery to correct, or he needs to get out there and pitch. The guy wouldn't even make it through a week of training camp with a hockey team...
by IndianaAsfan on Jul 3, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's
definitely no Kobayashi. :-)
by IndianaAsfan on Jul 3, 2007 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need help in th pen bad
Y dont u bring someone for th epen, flores has been real bad, colby gives up way to many homeruns, there has to more answers then them, we still got a shot at th eplayoffs but u win 2 big games in yankee stadium then coem home and just get smoked by a beat up ball club to, that team can hit if we just woudl of stayed in that game a bit we coudl fo won that easily, i just dont understand what there trying to do with this pen. Who the hell nos when harden can pitch again, he throws 2inning and is out for 4 games give me a break. Beane u got to do something
by buckfan6 on Jul 2, 2007 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
O RLY?!?!
Where have you gone
Kirk Saarloos DiMaggio
Athletics Nation
Turns it's lonely eyes to you
Woo woo woo
Hey hey hey
by McFood on Jul 2, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(fondles beer coaster with
sarlooss's autograph on it.)
by ak_A on Jul 3, 2007 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the A's problem
by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we wont see harden as a starter this yr
Joke of a talent, im soooooooooooo sick of it
by buckfan6 on Jul 2, 2007 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no need to panic
We all knew Dinardo was pitching better than his stats. He always seems to give up base runners this time it cost him. He is more of a bullpen guy. One thing is he will not be in the starting rotation next year. Dan Meyer and Harden and Loaiza will be competing for the rotation spots.
The one concern is suzuki to blame or dinardo for the bad outing. Suzuki's next start behind the plate will be big.
by Arcman on Jul 2, 2007 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No need to panic, huh? If you are counting
on Meyer, Harden or an older Loiaza there is need to panic.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 3, 2007 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury woes
Either a guy sits on our roster playing terribly when he's clearly hurt/bothered by something (Chavez, Harden) or he gets put on the DL for what seems like forever (Street, Loaiza, Piazza). How come we can't have normal injured players like every other team. You know, guys who get sore, sit out a week and a half, and come back stronger?
by Crosbino on Jul 2, 2007 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They don't have to escape
by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, only New England senior citizens
need to do that.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 2, 2007 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Barton play SS....
so we don't have to watch Bobbi "BenGrieve" Crosby ever again? Billy totally blew it with Bobbi - sometimes his So Cal product biases get the best of him and this clearly was one of those times.
Better to dump a year too early than a year too late? This is a case of should have dumped two years ago. Unless this one gets worked out, Billy's Bobbi Crosby Failure should be mentioned in the same breath as all the genius moves (much more appropriate criticism than the playoff shortcomings). It was monumental blunder keeping this ass-clown around when many passionate A's fans could easily read Bobbi as mentally weak and hollow - the responsibility is entirely Billy's.
There is still hope - when Billy was on the almost famous GM rung, he somehow got Mark Ellis for Ben Grieve.
by Sashulia on Jul 2, 2007 11:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How's this for 20/20 hindsight--
by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar would have dug deep?
David Wright and somebody else. Somebody valuable. Both could be in green & gold.
by Sashulia on Jul 2, 2007 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis and Grieve
Just two pieces in the mega-trade, possibly Billy's best:
Oakland to Kansas City: A.J. Hinch, Angel Berroa
Oakland to Tampa Bay: Ben Grieve
Kansas City to Oakland: Johnny Damon, Mark Ellis
Tampa Bay to Oakland: Cory Lidle
Tampa Bay to Kansas City: Roberto Hernandez
by iglew on Jul 3, 2007 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Chavez?
Barton cannot play SS; he embarrassed himself at 3B earlier this year, so I can't imagine SS would be any better.
But why couldn't Chavez play there? He's clearly the best 3B in baseball, and one of a handful of the very best defensive players in baseball. If we had a legit prospect who could handle 3B, but not SS, I would have no problems at all with asking Chavez to move over.
by rageon on Jul 3, 2007 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
y not andrew brown in the pen (read)
Andrew Brown: Brown made his Oakland organizational debut this weekend after being acquired for Milton Bradley. The lanky right-hander allowed a solo homer in his first inning of work on Friday, but recovered to nail down the save on Saturday with two-thirds of an inning of work. Brown is a hard-thrower, occasionally reaching 99 MPH. He has 45 strikeouts in 37.1 total innings this season.
99mph y not bring him up
by buckfan6 on Jul 2, 2007 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
y not splurge
by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Madsen bring him up
Mike Madsen: Madsen had a brilliant Triple-A debut on Saturday, twirling 7.2 shut-out innings in the first-place River Cats’ 3-2 win over the second-place Tucson Sidewinders. Madsen allowed only four hits and two walks, while striking out six. His overall record this season is 7-4 with a 2.78 ERA in 16 starts. He has 95 strikeouts in 97 innings. Madsen will
by buckfan6 on Jul 2, 2007 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone seems like the answer
by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
killjoy or voice of reason?
I'm leaning toward the former. You weren't a believer in Travis Buck or Jack Cust, either. ;-)
by FoolshGame22 on Jul 2, 2007 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a killjoy--I wake up
Those who have pointed out how good Homer Bailey and Lincecum have been should also note how much they have struggled at times. If there were another Casilla or Gaudin at AAA, they'd be up in place of Colby Lugo, doncha thank?
by Nico on Jul 3, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what other answer do u got then
just let lenny and are bullpen just keep getting smashed and letting the playoffs slip away, or try to do soemthing about it
by buckfan6 on Jul 2, 2007 11:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
madsen kid
the kid has been brillant all yr so far, last yr he was hurt, but y not try him start and see what happens, lincecum is up, baily is up, those guys supposly werent ready either
by buckfan6 on Jul 2, 2007 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum and Bailey
Are very, very talented. 1st Round, Talented.
Madsen has pitched 1/2 year of solid baseball in Stockton, Midland, and now Sacto.... He had some rocky starts in Midland, too... 'Lenny Dinardo in the MLB', rocky.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 3, 2007 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That game stank.
But I have pictures of Jennifer and Poppy.
by Englishmajor on Jul 2, 2007 11:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What she said
only my pictures are compromising.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 2, 2007 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which cannot be published w/o the expressed,
written consent of MLB and people who will hunt you down if you publish their photos.
by McFood on Jul 3, 2007 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait a minute...
averaging 6.1 runs per game.... Giving up more than 5 (but, I think it is implied, less than 6) runs per game. Shouldn't we be undefeated? Maybe I don't understand statistics???
P.S. On a totally unrelated topic... Is Eric Byrnes playing the Butchie Yost character on John from Cincinnati?
by FoolshGame22 on Jul 2, 2007 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See God, FoolshGame22.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 3, 2007 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
the A's were being vauge about Harden pending DiNardo's start tonight.
"by the weekend" = DiNardo next scheduled turn and if he had done well tonight i think the A's would have kept Harden in the pen until after the all-star break.
my guess (hope???) is that Harden starts Saturday's game in place of DiNardo.
by cvdoug on Jul 2, 2007 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
going into tonight...
by Cutthemullet on Jul 3, 2007 12:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Last year, this time
Our run differential was -4
by Colorado Fan on Jul 3, 2007 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some things just don't make any sense.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 3, 2007 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe this was posted elsewhere...
but, did anyone else hear how Bonds overcame the deficit to Soriano? A team of 40 guys working (scamming) the internet vote to stuff the ballot. Where are all the geek ANers when it comes to this kinda stuff? I thought we had more talent on this site. It would have been funny if Kendall had been "voted in by the fans." Think MLB woulda thought twice about the "fan" vote?
by FoolshGame22 on Jul 3, 2007 12:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing like reading....
that we are going to see more of BoCro whether we like it or not, first thing in the morning. sheeez.
by ak_A on Jul 3, 2007 5:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I knew something was up with Harden and I just
wish the organization could stop masking these types of problems. My frustration lies with their lies. Who are they trying to outsmart with their deception and why?
If Harden is on the shelf than we have "nothing" in trade value short of trading Ellis because we have to keep JoKe in the rotation. Where is Brad Halsey?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 3, 2007 6:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think they are lying? They plan on
Harden throwing on a particular day, and then when Harden warms up, it doesn't feel right, so he doesn't throw. That doesn't mean they didn't want him to throw, just that he couldn't
by theblackpearl on Jul 3, 2007 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is always a delay in his throwing plans or
they throw him one inning instead of two. It's not so much that they are lying... it's that they will not share any information about him. I just don't see a need to be secretive about a guy who is hurt. It's not the NFL where teams can actually develop a "scheme" based on an injury.
I guess I'm just frustrated especially after learning that Duke is having season ending hip surgery. Not a typical injury for a guy his age.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 3, 2007 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, not a 'lie'
but a consistent variance with reality.
And a clever man would work in Scooter here.
by MobiusKlein on Jul 3, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 Back At the Break, Please Don't Trade Ellis
kind of disheartening ... especially the Milton Bradley thing, because I really thought getting him and Duke back would have this club in contention quickly ... yet I'm going to see the A's on Thursday. I like to catch at least 3 Mariners games every year because Ichiro is worth any price of admission. People say Ichiro doesn't walk enough; I say if he were batting lead off for the A's and playing right field the A's would be awesome.
You know, with the A's pretty close to being out of it, I tend to think Chavvy will start to heat up. And even though I'm a Chavy RISP Offense Hater, it will be fun to see him get it going a little bit. When the games and the ABs don't matter much, he seems to really relax up there, and there are few better hitters in the game than a comfortable Chavvy.
Also, I still think in some respects this club is more interesting to watch than last year's club. Yeah, the bullpen being awful is tough, especially because it was the heart of last year's club. And it's hard to watch Crosby have so many awful ABs, but as bad as this club can sometimes be on offense, at least you get the sense they recognize the fact and will try to make something happen, i.e. hit-and-run, go for the extra base, move a guy over, try a steal. Especially in the first half of last year, there were so many games when it looked as if the whole lineup was saying, "gee, too bad nobody's hitting .250 on this club..."
As for trades and I recognize I'm probably close to unique in this respect but Mark Ellis is my favorite A on this team (and last year's team...) by a wide margin. It would really, really hurt to see the A's move that guy. I know many AN people are skeptical of guys who do "the little things" and add value in ways not recognized by statistics, because the sense is that Money Ball helped demonstrate that that kind of old school thinking was very often misplaced, but Ellis really does do so many things right ... quite apart from the obvious fact that his second base play is as good as anybody's that I remember since Frank White. I
by solotar on Jul 3, 2007 8:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Ellis too and hope they don't trade him.
My point is that there is too much lacking on this team right now unless Harden, Loiaza & Street all become healthy. If they don't... we are going to have a black hole as a 5th starter and will be holding our breath on JoKe as our 4th too. At the end of July we may have to make some tough salary decisions and I was just mentioning one as a possibility.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 3, 2007 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ANers who like to talk about trades...
will consider trading just about anybody. But not all ANers are into trade speculation, and there is a lot of Ellis-love on this site. It's not as unique as it might seem if you're just reading trade diaries.
On another note, totally unrelated to anything you said in your comment: That is the THIRD TIME I've seen a comment with a random letter "I" at the end of it. I'm convinced New AN is adding that on there... I wonder why...
by Poppy on Jul 3, 2007 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Time, Last Year
- A's Record was 43-39. Our Run Differential was 361-365.
- Boston was 50-30 (similar to the Angels this season).
That's why they play 162.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 3, 2007 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
*sob*
so we're going to see a lot of Bobby Crosby whether we like it or not.
by pam5981 on Jul 3, 2007 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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