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A Swisher Sighting

Hey AN, Nick Swisher is, in fact, alive.  And the sighting was great and grand this evening.  Swisher belted two home runs, the second putting an exclamation point on Danny Haren's 12th win.  

The thing about this game is that the A's probably should've put this game out of reach a lot earlier as Jeff Weaver was all over the place early.  The first inning probably should've yielded a lot more than just one run, but Eric Chavez announced his return to the team by hitting into a key double play.

Interestingly, the A's hottest hitter of late has been Mike Piazza, making for a fascinating dilemma for Billy Beane.  Piazza has been absolutely raking the ball all over the place, thus amping his value up as next Tuesday's trading deadline nears.  If the A's think that they have any hope at this season, they should absolutely hold onto Piazza.  The A's are a better team with Piazza in the middle of the lineup, no doubt.  At the same time, with their win tonight, they are still 10 games out.  They've won three out of four so far in this key road trip and they still have a double digit deficit to make up.  My personal feeling is that the A's should trade Piazza, as much as I hate to say that.  Piazza is obliging nicely, upping his value significantly to a team in need of a good bat, and the A's remain a long shot for the playoffs even though there are still more than two months remaining in the season.  

Regardless, it's good to have Swisher back.  This team needs a productive Nick Swisher.  Badly.  It's also good that Danny was Danny tonight.  Even though he gave up two runs (gasp!), he struck out seven and kept the Mariners offense from breaking out.  

So, the A's sit 10 games back, Nick Swisher has awoken from his slumber and Billy Beane is facing quite a decision (even though I think he probably made it several weeks back with the Bradley and Kendall moves).  Quite a fascinating time to be an A's fan.

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Nice wrap. I think Suzuki costed Haren

one of those runs with the "wild pitch" that should have been stopped.  I am still glad we went with Suzuki this year rather than having him gain experience in Game 1 of 2008.

I'm happy that we are playing well again.  Very happy, in fact!

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 26, 2007 10:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They would have scored anyways

Guillen's Single would have drove in Betancourt later in the inning.

  • Yuniesky Betancourt: Strike looking, Ball, Betancourt reached on an infield single.
  • Ichiro Suzuki: Foul, Ball, Suzuki lined out to shortstop.
  • Adrian Beltre: Foul, Ball, Strike looking, Ball, Betancourt to second on wild pitch, Beltre singled to center, Betancourt scored.
  • Raul Ibanez: Strike looking, Foul, Ibanez struck out swinging.
  • Jose Guillen: Foul, Strike swinging, Pickoff attempt, Guillen singled to right, Beltre to third.
  • Jose Vidro: Ball, Strike looking, Ball, Strike swinging, Vidro struck out swinging.

by Colorado Fan on Jul 26, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's not how the logic works.

Obviously you can never say for sure when you engage in what-if speculation, but the argument for saying Suzuki cost Haren the run is not just to play out the inning with the exact same results.

The argument is that Beltre's single wouldn't be a single: If Betancourt were still at first, then Ellis would be playing close to 2nd to defend against the steal.  In that case, he snags Beltre's hit through the middle and gets at least one out, probably two.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jul 26, 2007 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not even sure you can play it that way either

If Betancourt were still at first, they may very well have pitched Beltre differently or at least their mind set would have been different and perhaps Haren elevates the ball too much on one of those pitches and it's a homerun.  You can never tell what might have happened.

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by DMOAS on Jul 27, 2007 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say keep Piazza...

dump the garbage, like Kotsay and Kennedy.  Get what you can for them.

Make a run this year.  If we had taken that third game from the Angels yesterday, Billy's dilemma would have been even greater.

I say go for it!

These friggin' unclutch losers will never, ever win another game! Ever!

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 26, 2007 10:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep Kots

he's psychic

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 26, 2007 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh. We could have been 8 games out ;-(
Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 26, 2007 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

this will be a long season without Piazza in the lineup.

by oak1 on Jul 26, 2007 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Piazza is going nowhere

the 3 AL teams still in contention who could use a Piazza in the lineup: Twins, Angels and Mariners. The Mariners need starting pitching a lot more and i doubt the Angels will give up much for Piazza -- they'll probably prefer going after Konerko or Teixeira. The Twins are not going to give up top prospects (like Slowey) and they're only 2.5 games higher than the A's in the standings.

by oak1 on Jul 26, 2007 10:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Minnesota v. Oakland

Still not sure how Minnesota is considered "in contention", and the A's aren't.

Minnesota was 10+ games out of 1st Place last August.  They won the AL Central.

It can be done, folks.

Keep Piazza.

by Colorado Fan on Jul 26, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

youre right

and the AL Central is still a tougher division than the West. at this point, i'll settle for the A's playing good baseball the rest of the way and let the standings will sort themselves out in September.

by oak1 on Jul 26, 2007 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

August 7th, 2006 - Oct. 1st, 2006

In 55 Days, the Minnesota Twins made up 11.5 games on the Detroit Tigers.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/ind... (Minnesota 10.5 games back on August 7th)

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/ind... (Oct. 1st - Minnesota in 1st place by 1 game)

Just trying to keep the faith for as long as possible.  It happens a lot more than one might think.

by Colorado Fan on Jul 26, 2007 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention the rest of the west

isn't exactly playing good ball right now... if the A's can keep up what they've done since they Travis and Piazza came back, even though we're still a long shot, we atleast have a pretty good shot of keeping things interesting the rest of the way... and that's all we can ask for

by Haren I mean Harden on Jul 27, 2007 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by the way,

the team looks a lot better when the only shortstop on the team with ALCS experience plays

by Haren I mean Harden on Jul 27, 2007 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My sentiments exactly Blez

IF we can get something really good for Piazza and not just a throw away we will never hear from again.  It does make a major difference with him in the lineup,makes me wonder what might have happened if he had been brought back when he should have been brought back.   If the A's are counting on Cust as the full time DH next year they are taking a real chance.  He is not a 29 year old quasi-rookie for no good reason.  He swings and misses an awful lot, and takes far too many called 3rd strikes.

by china bob on Jul 26, 2007 10:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

word

I think it's a no brainer for the A's to hang on to piazza at this point. why would you trade hm at this point when both of the teams in front of us are very beatable?

and on top of that, Piazza is just an old fashioned rock star baby!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep him here and see what happens, can't be worse than what Beane can get back in return right now..

(all apologies to our comrade', Grover)

by mrod on Jul 26, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

word x2

Cust still has holes in his big swing. he had a great 2 weeks but the scouting reports are out and good pitchers are getting him out: 2 seam fastball on the inside part of the plate freezes him for strike 3 and he still looks bad swinging at breaking pitches on the outer half of the plate. he'll need to make the adjustments back and he's not young anymore!

by oak1 on Jul 26, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And let's not forget that Buck might have made

a huge difference too had Larry Davis known about a thumb guard.

Tara Reid - "I make Jessica Simpson look like a rock scientist"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 26, 2007 10:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Any chance Piazza could play 3rd?
" Santijairo? Wasn't he in American Idol or something?" - danmerqury

by doctorK on Jul 26, 2007 10:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Piazza at 3B, Cust at SS
I'm not throwing in the towel, but I'm using it to wipe the sweat off my face and enjoy the rest of the season. ~ oaklandSMASH @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 27, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOO HOO!!

time to start the next winning streak!

I will be SO happy if we make a serious comeback.

"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on Jul 26, 2007 10:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you mean start the streak on Sat

because King Felix is pitching 2morrow. If we can beat him, then I'll be convinced our offense is back.

I think religion is a neurological disorder that prevents people from thinking on their own.--B. Maher

by sf drift king on Jul 26, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, it's baseball

anything can happen! I'm going to be optimistic as much as I can. I feel like our offense is muuuuuuuch better than it was even a week ago, and I feel like the team feels much more confident too.

"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on Jul 26, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn, I guess this is why Yogi

said, "It ain't over till it's over."  As long as these guys are playing like this there is a chance.  It may be a marginal one....but a chance nonetheless.  And really, in baseball that's all you can ask for.  I say keep Piazza and run the string out all the way to the end.  Were are not likely to get anything of significance in return for him and I would rather watch exciting baseball for the rest of the season.  A slim chance is better than none so we may as well go down fighting.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 26, 2007 10:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

10 games to make up

and many head-to-heads on the schedule with Anaheim and the Mariners. If Piazza stays, there's still a chance. BB will keep him unless he's blown away w/an offer.

I think religion is a neurological disorder that prevents people from thinking on their own.--B. Maher

by sf drift king on Jul 26, 2007 10:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Piazza = Key to an A's August

To trade Piazza would be to throw in the towel, and would send a verrry negative message to a perennially positive clubhouse: "Boys, we can't do it this year."

It would take longer to rebound from a poor second half missing the playoffs outright than from an average to A's-like (Hey, two months left! No?) second half.

We CANNOT falter in the second half of the season! That is our calling card and that nearly invincible reputation we have for this time of year is our calling card. The A's know this. Other teams know this.

Keep it rolling by keeping key players.

Hold 'em, Billy.

by THRO on Jul 26, 2007 10:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice writin' Blez!

I started dissecting your "Beane's Dilemma" and I decided...

..know what?? I LIKE the fact that I cannot figure Beane out.  I would never have thought he'd trade Kendall.  But statistically, Kendall is having an historically-bad year!  I think Beane couldn't face Bill James if he kept Kendall... but whaddoIknow??!!

So Beane is stoking the furnace, pulling levers, etc.

I love it!  It's all great stuff!  I like the "Wow" factor, like trading a guy after two days ("Isles") for Snelling. Gettin' Cust back.  Dropping Ruby, the once anointed "Holy Grail".

It's all good.  Can't wait.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 26, 2007 10:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

IsleTs
"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jul 26, 2007 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I've blown this one
more often than a bicyclist doing a Tour de France doping test!

Islets, indeed.  I guess I fall prey to the FireSign Theatre remark.. "..and the far-flung Isles of Langerhans..." that resides in my "mental asteroid belt".

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 27, 2007 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Mark Ellis!
The best second baseman in South Dakota history hit another dinger tonight and extended his errorless streak.  (And yes, I think Ellis is even better than Dick Green).

by atomopawn on Jul 26, 2007 10:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

check out the blog listed below

http://www.thesoulofbaseball.blogspo...

..and the article on Chase Utley.  Lots about Ellis, very interesting!

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 26, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.
But I rate Mark's defense a lot higher than the author of the blog post.  Utley is good.  But Ellis is right up there with him.

by atomopawn on Jul 26, 2007 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Utley ain't gonna be playing for a while...

suffered Crosby's fate today.

These friggin' unclutch losers will never, ever win another game! Ever!

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 26, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get too excited.

Haren vs Weaver is a matchup the A's have to win pretty much 9 times out of 10 (interesting enough, we lost this matchup earlier in the year). No sense in making a big deal out of this win.

If Braden beats Felix tomorrow and the A's go on to take the series and the next series vs Detroit, then I'll start to entertain notions of a run. Sorry for being a party pooper.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jul 26, 2007 10:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

True

Dethrone the LeBron wannabe

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 26, 2007 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am curious

if anyone knows if Piazza has had enough playing time to net us a draft pick if we keep him to the end of the season.  If so, we may not get better then that via trade. Probably hurts our chances of getting a pick that he is no longer considered a catcher for terms of determining his worth.

by AsFanInLA on Jul 26, 2007 10:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What I recall is no

no draft pick consideration with Piazza.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 26, 2007 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

Piazza was a type A free agent last year. i see no reason that he's not classified type B assuming he keeps pace the rest of the season.

by oak1 on Jul 26, 2007 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes he was

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...

we didnt have to give up a draft pick because we signed him after Dec 1.

by oak1 on Jul 26, 2007 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so, would we get 2 picks

if somebody offers him a multi-year deal and we offer him arbitration? i don't think he'd get a whole lot in arbitration from us considering his stats will be deflated due to his injury this year.

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Jul 27, 2007 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

He's not going to be Type A after this season was so severely shortened. He might-- strong emphasis on might-- crack Type B. But it's pretty unlikely.

by PaulThomas on Jul 27, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can the A's get lucky twice?

Last year's turn around featured a dynamic change in the offense during August. But nearly as important, Stoneman and the Angels stood pat at the trade deadline. Sure, maybe the offense can get it going again from here on out but could Bill Stoneman really be dumb enough to (again) not strengthen his roster between now and the 31st?

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 26, 2007 11:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yes
These friggin' unclutch losers will never, ever win another game! Ever!

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 26, 2007 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Stoneman just doesn't like to trade.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jul 26, 2007 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, but does he like his job?

Because if Stoneman fucks this up by standing pat he'll get canned on October 1st.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 27, 2007 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn't so warm and fuzzy

but its true.  Dude needs to use his resources or The Mariners are going to turn into last year's A's..

by GusanoQuemador on Jul 27, 2007 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he's holding out for AROD.

I say we hold onto Piazza and make a run this year. Get rid of Kotsay, DJ, Kennedy, Crosby. Let's see what Donnie Murphy can do at short and call put Buck in center and call up another outfielder.

by A'sfansince1970 on Jul 27, 2007 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Lookout Landing...

so much better when the M's lose.  AN isn't nearly as funny when the A's are losing.  It just gets too depressing around here.  Although, louismg's ANtics do help when they suck.

My favorite LL comic:

These friggin' unclutch losers will never, ever win another game! Ever!

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 26, 2007 11:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ooops... forgot to acknowledge the artist...

Robert at Lookout Landing

These friggin' unclutch losers will never, ever win another game! Ever!

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 26, 2007 11:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A good indication whether Piazza

is on the trade block is if he catches one of the games this weekend. Perhaps a showcase for one of the NL teams, say the Padres?

I think religion is a neurological disorder that prevents people from thinking on their own.--B. Maher

by sf drift king on Jul 27, 2007 12:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Piazza

The only way Piazza should still be on the team after the trade deadline is if everyone on AN signs an agreement to NOT complain next spring when Kotsay or Swish is in center and Crosby is back at SS.

Piazza is the only player who can pry a prospect, who will fill a hole and be ready by next year, from another team.

Seriously people, the choice is let Piazza stay and have a very small chance at a playoff run, or get a prospect so we don't have to watch Crosby flail at balls until he gets injured again next year.  What will it be AN?

by Threepwood XX on Jul 27, 2007 1:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the point

I don't think any MLB Team is going to be giving up an MLB Ready CF or SS for Piazza.  

by Colorado Fan on Jul 27, 2007 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reality

While the rampant optimism is great, the A's should be planning for next year.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php

BB will likely trade anyone who isn't part of the team's long-term plans, provided he can get decent value. As the DFAs of the Gamer and Ronnie Mac show, sometimes he won't even hold out for value.

In the case of Piazza, I think the earlier points are right: as soon as someone makes an offer that beats whatever draft pick compensation we'd get this fall, he is gone. In the meantime, we can all savor his contribution to this week's mini-surge.

by Oakland East on Jul 27, 2007 4:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

haren is struggling

his ERA has been rising like crazy lately. if he keeps this up, his ERA will be in the mid-to-high 2's by mid august. oh, the shame!

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Jul 27, 2007 5:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

chavez

to be fair to chavez that doubleplay he hit into was one hell of a play by the mariners. I thought there was no way they would turn that.

by TheGreenGoldCrush on Jul 27, 2007 7:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

SO NICE TO SEE SWISH FINALLY HIT A HR....

then he hits another...last night was a good night all around.

by PSHABAZ on Jul 27, 2007 7:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh and that castilla and street were used

instead of kennedy.  yes it was a good night all round

by TheGreenGoldCrush on Jul 27, 2007 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rotoworld on Vidro

Funny

When Vidro came up just short of getting it over the right-field wall, Mariners broadcaster Dave Sims chimed in that he didn't quite "get all of it." Actually, we're pretty sure that was Vidro getting all of it. There's a reason the guy doesn't have a homer in two months.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Jul 27, 2007 9:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not expecting a whole lot of support

but I say trade Piazza, if the offer is right.  Angels, Twins and Braves all could use Piazza's bat and all have a good prospect at SS (although I don't know if Escobar is still a prospect) who might require more than just Piazza, but Kennedy or Calero could be available as a useful throw in.  Now is the time to get the max trade value and get some truly useful players with which to build.
Furthermore, now is the time to at least inquire about what a few teams would give up for Swisher.  His trade value may be very high and there are a few playoff bound teams that would probably love to have him this year and in the future.  He has a good, long-term contract so he isn't just a rental.  Would the Red Sox part with some blue-chip prospects?  Would the Braves give up Saltalamacchia (and maybe a pitching prospect)?
The A's farm system looks rather bare right now, and it may be an ideal time to replenish it.  If we did get, say Morales and Saltalamacchia and give up Piazza, Swisher and Kennedy, the team would all of a sudden be younger and cheaper, and maybe go into next season with money to spend on an outfield or 1B bat?

by iceplant on Jul 27, 2007 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right, in a way

"The team would all of a sudden be younger and cheaper." You forgot the "and much worse" part, though.

by PaulThomas on Jul 27, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

DO NOT trade Swisher. He's too valuable for our team and we need him in right field. Piazza I can see trading though.

by A'sfansince1970 on Jul 27, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of the farm system

The farm looked bare this time last year. Now, it's got some things to work with.

Yes my friend, what you see is an actual improvment.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 28, 2007 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NICK SWISHER

I’m a long time A’s fan and a season ticket holder. Nick is a excellent player and does excellent work in the community and for cancer

BUT his actions on Tuesday and Wednesday were the actions of a BAD BOY not a grown up.  Throwing his bat in a fit of anger when he strikes out is poor judgment and seta a bad example for little league players.   He needs to learn to cope being on a losing team.  Since he came to the A’s they always finished the season and went on to the playoffs.  When ANY player acts like this they should be fined.
Ashamed of him.  

by petesmom on Aug 2, 2007 7:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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