Duke out for season

by baseb3383 on Jul 2, 2007 5:34 PM PDT

Yikes, this is not good for our bullpen:

I for one kind of saw this coming. But who didn't? His performance indicated to me and to others that something was seriously wrong. He's been a great bullpen arm for us, but the question is for this season, who is going to fill his spot? Casilla? Embree when Street comes back? Platoon role?

What about the rest of our bullpen? I hope Calero comes back just so we can at least have some depth. Thankfully Casilla has been effective and will hopefully fill in. Still, it's a huge loss, and we can't afford any more injuries. (that was Captain Obvious speaking, over and out.)

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noooooo

MENDOZAAAA!!!

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by xbhaskarx on Jul 2, 2007 5:32 PM PDT reply actions

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by gotgreen on Jul 2, 2007 5:50 PM PDT reply actions

won't be long

Before Andrew Brown is called up, I imagine.

"Imagine all the Hebrews goin dumb"-Tell Me When To Go

by ohad on Jul 2, 2007 5:53 PM PDT reply actions

I had to laugh when I looked

up Andrew Brown in Sickels' book and read, "...But he has a hard time staying healhty, having had two elbow operations plus various and sundry annoying twinges and aches...I have no doubt that Andrew Brown can be a very good, perhaps excellent, major league pitcher--if he can keep his arm attached."

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by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions

I was surprised.

Hip surgery is so serious and they kept saying that he was getting closer to coming back. What a bummer.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 2, 2007 5:56 PM PDT reply actions

good for Duke, probably good for team

Instead of trotting him out for irregular treatment/rehab, and fooling themselves that he might be able to contribute on-field, the A's get some performance/roster certitude (albeit negative). They also, ideally, get Duke healthy for when the team's improved in '08, and avoid the subpar injury-affected performance this year.

But just because something can be plotted on an X and Y axis does not make it the whole truth. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 2, 2007 5:56 PM PDT reply actions

Not good for Duke

I don't think the A's tell people to have surgery. This is a major operation with no guarantee of success. There is a small chance that this is career ending. He still could be in pain even after and may require another surgery. Hip surgery is not like knee surgery which nowadays is like lifting the hood on a car and having a few tweaks and fixing the problem. He is quite young and plays a sport and position where hip injuries are not very common. I am very worried for Duke and wish him the best. But I don't like the surgery is the first and best option attitude. Many times surgery is not the best option and is a desperate last resort. All hip surgeries are risky and tricky and are not always successful with a good result. He may never be the same again. I hope he is but this is very worrisome for Duke.

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by Athletics Fan In London on Jul 2, 2007 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions

"All hip surgeries are risky

and tricky and are not always successful with a good result. He may never be the same again."

Just ask Bill King.

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by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions

First, we don't know ...

... what the surgery is.

Second, hip surgery -- even replacement surgery, in case that's what it is -- is very routine. I had an "anterior" two months ago, and I can now run. I recognize that the stresses are different, but I would be optimistic, based on my limited, firsthand experience.

Third, I'm guessing that his procedure will be less invasive than replacement -- there are several options that, while relatively new, are not novel.

Fourth, I hope to Jeebus he gets it done by someone other than the sawboneses the A's seem to employ.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 2, 2007 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions

yes, but ...

A. What Puppydaddy said

B. I would think Duke is cognizant of all that, and if he's suffering enough, then he in all likelihood genuinely needs the surgery -- career or no

Basically, what I meant regarding Duke is that it's good that he 's putting his own health in front of "toughing it out" unnecessarily/stupidly/counterproductively.

But just because something can be plotted on an X and Y axis does not make it the whole truth. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 2, 2007 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions

The term "arthroscopic" is now being ...

... bantered about by the popular press in conjunction with this surgery. Not sure what that means, if anything (even accurate?) -- removal of bone spurs that sometimes accompany arthritis, perhaps?

In any event, it's much less invasive than other such stuff -- and he ought to be back on the mound in an hour-and-a-half, or else he's a

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 3, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions

he'll be a fat cat one way or the other

"San Jose A's of Fremont" is pretty bad; "Silicon Valley A's of Fremont" is worse

by ArakSOT on Jul 3, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah. Fat cat. That's it!

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 3, 2007 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions

Refers to a surgical instrument used

the "arthroscope" which has a camera & cutting tools on the end, and can move around under the skin. Allows surgery with a much smaller incision.

by MobiusKlein on Jul 3, 2007 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Or was that Endoscope?

I might be confused.

by MobiusKlein on Jul 3, 2007 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions

I think they use endoscopes to do colonoscopies

Just guessing.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 3, 2007 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions

And don't call me Shirley.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 3, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions

if you get tendinitis from video games ...

... they use a nintendoscope.

But just because something can be plotted on an X and Y axis does not make it the whole truth. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 3, 2007 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions

if your AVG is too small to be seen by naked eye

... they use a kendoscope.

But just because something can be plotted on an X and Y axis does not make it the whole truth. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 3, 2007 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions

arthro = joint

Endoscopy is kind of a blanket term to denote "looking inside" some part of the body using a tube with a small camera & light inserted through a small incision.

Arthroscopic refers specifically to joint surgery performed with a scope. Sometimes it's just diagnostic, but if a "repair" type of procedure is needed, the surgeon also makes separate small incisions for the introduction of whatever other special tools are needed. There isn't a cutting tool on the scope itself... but even if there is more than one incision needed, they are still so much smaller than would be the case with an "open" procedure, and that's why there is less trauma to the surrounding tissues, and a relatively faster healing time.

The same concept applies to laparoscopic surgeries, which are specifically abdominal.

Don't worry, it's only a safety problem.

by Poppy on Jul 3, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Actually...

Not all endoscopies require an incision. Colonoscopy is one example of a procedure that has a ready-made orifice to be scoped.

Don't worry, it's only a safety problem.

by Poppy on Jul 3, 2007 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions

Here ya go, Duke.

Anterior approach hip arthroplasty video.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 2, 2007 5:57 PM PDT reply actions

Not the worse news

When Street comes back and Harden can start and send DiNardo to the pen the bullpen will be in much better shape.Long term Calero won't be out to long and when Loaiza gets back bumping Kennedy back to the pen things will be very bright. Especially with the emergence of Casila.

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by Athletics Fan In London on Jul 2, 2007 5:59 PM PDT reply actions

You're an optimist--

I'm not convinced Harden will be pitching for us July-Sept; I'm just crossing my fingers about Street, who does seem to be doing better than initially feared. But of course, he separated himself from the A's medical staff by an entire country--great move.

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by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Kennedy to the pen, then DiNardo

Kennedy's numbers are worse almost across the board compared to DiNardo's, so I'd think Joe will be the odd man out (unless the A's try to showcase Kennedy for a trade). If the A's were healthier, I'd say Kennedy would be traded for sure, but Harden's still iffy and Loaiza is probably a mid-August return at best.

by andyinfremont on Jul 2, 2007 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions

What kind of Happy pills

are they giving out in London? I doubt that we can count on the best case scenario.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 2, 2007 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions

Happy Drinks!!!

Hey we are do for the best case now! How many more bad things can happen?

< said as he falls of his high horse and now needs hip surgery >

In England all A's fans are "Athletic Supporters"

by Athletics Fan In London on Jul 2, 2007 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions

Plenty more

We are due for some luck. But being due doesn't mean we will get any. But I hope that you are right. :-)

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 2, 2007 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Maybe Chavez should listen to Duke...

and just have the damn surgery!!

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by brenarlo on Jul 2, 2007 6:02 PM PDT reply actions

This reminds me

Where the hell is Esteban Loaiza?

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by ohad on Jul 2, 2007 6:04 PM PDT reply actions

No kidding....

Wasn't that 4-6 week knee surgery and rehab about 10 weeks ago??

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by nodaclu on Jul 2, 2007 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions

No

It hasn't even been 5 weeks yet. He had the surgery sometime after May 29th.

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by andyinfremont on Jul 2, 2007 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions

Dang...

Sure seems longer. I mean he isn't even being talked about when it comes to the A's long list of injuries. It's like he's dead...er...I mean day-to-day.

`I firmly believe that in every game, at least one team should be required to wear a legitimate, major league uniform.' - Ken Korach - 8/4/06

by nodaclu on Jul 2, 2007 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions

who? sounds familiar

subject to revision pending next issue and there are too many issues

by ak_A on Jul 2, 2007 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Bleh

I'm sad about it, but not surprised. I hope the surgery makes him healthy and good to go so he can help the team out next year like he did last year.

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by drmmerchk on Jul 2, 2007 6:26 PM PDT reply actions

Meh

I'd be more worried without the emergence of Casilla, but since we've got him I think we should be fine so long as the other bullpen arms return and if they don't then we'd be F-ed anyway.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Jul 2, 2007 10:37 PM PDT reply actions