Was Gaudin robbed?

by Cheezombie on Jul 2, 2007 11:51 AM PDT Comment 18 comments

The A's own the best pitching ERA as well as severall other stats including the lowest SLG, OBA, WHIP, AVG in the AL. Though only 1 pitcher from that staff made it to the All Star game, Dan Haren, the league leader in ERA.

Haren, Gaudin and Blanton are all in the top 10 in ERA, with Haren and Gaudin in the top 5. The Angels, who possess the third best ERA in the AL have 2 pitchers in the all star game in Lackey and K-Rod, and Escobar can be voted in. When i got to mlb.com to vote for the final spot, it shows me their stats on the ballot:

PITCHER TEAM W L ERA IP K
J Bonderman DET 8 1 3.90 90.0 82
K Escobar LAA 9 3 3.32 100.1 80
R Halladay TOR 9 3 4.27 103.1 65
P Neshek MIN 3 0 1.37 39.1 47
H Okajima BOS 2 0 0.92 39.0 35

Now throw Gaudin's stats in there:

C Gaudin OAK 7 3 2.92 101.2 65

Gaudin also has better stats than a lot of the pitchers that have already made the team.

I have to go, i wanted to write more, but please give your thoughts and feelings.

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I (and many) believe that All-Stars

should represent more than a hot first half. I think Gaudin will continue to be good -- but with the exception of Okajima (who is a rookie phenom and a bone for Japanese fans) and Gil Meche (who is the Royals' lone rep), all of the other guys are established high level performers.

Take Roy Halladay, for instance. He has the worst stats of any of the guys on the team or in the running -- but can you honestly say that you think Chad Gaudin is more of a star than him?

Maybe in a year or two ... but not yet.

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by devo on Jul 2, 2007 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i just think

that gaudin should have at least been on the voting for the final spot, but oh well.

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by Cheezombie on Jul 2, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Middle relievers? Seriously?

Neshek and Okajima have been good, but middle relievers? Come on.

Halladay's been average (by his standards), but let's be honest, I think Escobar and Bonderman deserve the nod over Gaudin.

by Crosbino on Jul 2, 2007 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

What's wrong with middle relievers?

Are Okajima and Neshek less good at getting batters out? Surely you don't mean that they shouldn't be all stars because they don't rack up sexy stats like starters and closers, right?

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by hunter on Jul 2, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Middle relievers

have lower ERAs than starters as a general rule. Starters have to pitch to the same hitters 2 or 3 times a game (i.e. you need to have more than 2 above average pitches to post a decent ERA). You've also got small sample size at work here; Okajima and Neshek have only pitched 30 some innings. Look at Harden's insane stats so far, same thing.

It's also a testiment to how their managers feel about their pitchers; how can you pick a middle reliever if he's not even the best reliever on his own team?

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by baseb3383 on Jul 2, 2007 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I could be wrong,

but I think what was meant by "sexy stats" was that starters have wins (which the people who pick all-stars love), closers have saves (which the people who pick all-stars love) and middle relievers have holds (which nobody seems to care about).

And closers aren't always the best relievers on their teams (e.g. Joe Borowski, Bob Wickman).

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by day-to-day on Jul 3, 2007 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go-Dan wus robbed

no doubt.

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by closetasfan on Jul 2, 2007 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Question

Who was the A's player most deserving who did not get selected? I would argue that Blanton is a better pitcher than Gaudin, mostly based on the number of walks that the big G gives up.

But otherwise, what was the last A's non-pitcher to show up at the All-Star game?
(Duke, Zito, Haren, and who else recently?)

by MobiusKlein on Jul 2, 2007 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Non-pitchers since McGwire

Ramon Hernandez

Miguel Tejada

Jason Giambi

Jason Giambi (starter)

John Jaha

Ben Grieve

by Soaker on Jul 2, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and almost eric byrnes!

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 2, 2007 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks.

So it's just recently that it's been pitchers only.

It would be fun to have a position player show up again, but that would require somebody to break .300!

by MobiusKlein on Jul 2, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Blanton has been better then Gaudin

That's who got robbed.

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by Vegas A's Fan on Jul 2, 2007 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i agree with that as well

i didn't have enough time to talk about blanton. I just think it's lame that neither of them were even mentioned in the all star talks. I believe blanton even beats lackey in certain categories.

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Jul 2, 2007 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

james shields got robbed

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 2, 2007 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Chris Young got robbed

Unbelievable.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 2, 2007 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

No kidding

Worst omission that I can remember. The guy has been flat out dominant, what more can you ask for?

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by baseb3383 on Jul 2, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since we're talking about Gaudin

what does Gaudin throw? Fastball-Slider? Does he throw a 4-seamer and a 2-seamer?

by ultxmxpx on Jul 2, 2007 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Mostly fastball/slider,

occasional change to lefties. I'd say Gaudin was deserving, but he wasn't robbed--a lot of deserving guys get left off for lack of room. Because you have to find a spot for Gil Meche, who isn't really deserving.

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by Nico on Jul 2, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs