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Sometimes You're Gaudin, Sometimes You're Not So Gaudin

Poor Chad.  He reverted to the walk-a-thon tendencies of last year and it burned him right off the top.  And the A's offense was pretty easily kept in check by Minnesota tonight outside of the one inning in which Bobby Crosby, Shannon Stewart and Mark Kotsay all went the opposite way.  Of course, they wound up scoring two runs that one inning.

When your 3-4-5 hitters lines look like this:

R H RBI

0-1-0
0-0-0
0-0-0

You're not going to win too many games.

On a different note, I don't know that I've seen too many double plays on a hanging slider before.  I thought that Calero was going to come back throwing effective sliders, but that pitch to Hunter does not make me hopeful.  Maybe he just needs to get some of the rust off, but yikes.

On the brightest note of the evening (in my opinion), Andrew Brown (you know the guy we got for Milton Bradley) looked really good in relief of Jay Marshall.  He struck out Punto on a really nice breaking ball and got Castillo to ground out.  You can never have enough depth as we've all learned very painfully this year.  

So the A's now sit one game below .500.  An inauspicious start out of the All Star break.

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is somebody going to light a fire

under the collective a$$es of our hitters. jeez. baker look really hittable today, particularly in early innings and we treat him like cy young.

by oak1 on Jul 12, 2007 8:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Other than Zito, A's hitters

make everyone look like Cy Young.  It is painfully clear that there is no one in this lineup who bothers any pitcher.  Can anyone honestly look at the lineup and say that there is hope for the future?  Kotsay, Swisher, Chavez, Crosby, really?  They are who they are, for at least 3 years the A's have led the league in DP's, lowest in RISP, why would anyone think something is going to magically happen to change that?
Last year at this time Thomas and Bradley carried the club, but this year they are not here, end of story.

by china bob on Jul 12, 2007 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen. Retool for Next Year

Time to think about retooling for next year.  Some questions;  What, if anything, can the A's get for Piazza (Bean's biggest mistake?);  is anyone out there willing to take Kendall, Crosby or (it hurts to say) Kotsay; if so, what will they offer?

Another Q: Is Cust worth banking the franchise on?  He can't hit an inside slider/curve.

Kensington Slim

by kensington slim on Jul 12, 2007 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree, in addition

the Angels and Mariners are playing better so far this season than they were last season. 2007 Weaker A's lineup + stronger division

by OaklandSi on Jul 13, 2007 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didnt get to see/listen to the game
except for when I was able to get out to my car, turn on the radio for a score update and the only batter I get to listen to is Dan Johnson and of course he pops out to foul territory. I got out of my car with a grin and the thought that , "Not much has changed."
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Jul 12, 2007 8:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have mixed feelings

Gaudin pitched poorly and we didn't get a hit the last 4 innings, but at the same time how can one blame our hitters for scalding the ball, time and time again, right at someone? Hard to know how much we were bad or unlucky on offense; easy to know that Gaudin let the team down on the mound.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2007 8:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"baaaaahhh!"

sorry, I was waiting to hear back from your goat's heroin dealer.......

by mrod on Jul 12, 2007 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I refuse to read any children's story

in which the man isn't saved by his heroin.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2007 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

one game, you call it bad luck

but consider the hitting since the last A's win. (even including it.)  not much.  Even the one win was based almost solely on HRs, and no other hitting.

by MobiusKlein on Jul 12, 2007 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We must be REALLY unlucky

Considering our actual team batting average on the season.

"Look at this, OK? I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy."

by baseb3383 on Jul 12, 2007 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hitting problems

too few good ABs. too little patience at the plate. poor pitch selection. we need to sustain rallies to score runs, something that the twins do really well with lineup limitations of their own.

by oak1 on Jul 12, 2007 8:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A little hard to tell, since

Baker threw a lot of strikes and Gaudin threw a lot of balls. One thing's for sure: The A's managed not to hit out a lot of mistakes right out over the plate. Some were fouled off, some were hit hard for outs, but many of Baker's pitches could have been launched tonight. He basically pitched like crap and gave up 2 runs in 6 innings.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2007 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuck.

I think that about sums it up.

Let's get 'em tomorrow.

"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on Jul 12, 2007 8:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a frustrating scenario

In order to win, the A's pitchers need to play absolutely perfect, as the offense is completely inept. Forget whether Gaudin gave up 3 or 4 or 5, he still would have lost. Something needs to change on the offense, and we've seen it too many times. There's no KME strong enough to ward off futility.

More than just ANtics: http://www.louisgray.com/live/

by louismg on Jul 12, 2007 8:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, we weren't asking for perfect--

more like "only 3 walks in the first inning?" But yeah, margin for error = not so much.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2007 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually out of things to say

about this team. I'm totally bored and almost uninterested at this point.

On a brighter note, if you locals (bay area that is) are not busy tomorrow night my band, Corduroy Jim, is playing at Ireland's 32 in San Francisco, at nine o'clock. It's a no cover show and we will be opening for another local group called Five Eyed Hand. Here is the link for all the info:

(Sorry if this is shameless, Blez! I still love the A's!)

www.myspace.com/corduroyjim06

www.fiveeyedhand.com

www.irelands32.com

Hope some of you can make it-mrod  Go A's!

by mrod on Jul 12, 2007 8:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

kotsay's defense

has certainly dropped off since his return from the DL. he's a step too slow and just doesnt get to balls he would have a year ago. today he played a double into a triple, should have picked up an error. still gets a good jump but he no longer plays the same reliable D in CF.

by oak1 on Jul 12, 2007 8:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's funny you say that

I am mystified at those that think is Kotsay is some great CF these days.  I was actually at Shea for the Sunday game against the Mets, and after watching a ball hit over Kotsay's head (he is too slow to play as shallow as he does) my brother in law turned to me and said "You're centerfielder isn't very good"

What could I say (rhetorical)

by onlysaying on Jul 12, 2007 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm so sick of some players...

Chavez, Johnson, Crosby, Kotsay, and Kendall equal over half of ourlineup.  That means that over HALF of our lineup sucks.  The other half is Swisher, Stewart, Ellis, and Cust... let's keep those guys.

Beane is losing his luster.  Granted no one is perfect but this will go down as a bad year for Oakland... no stars and no one coming up through the ranks.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jul 12, 2007 8:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Essentially, in the last 4 games

we've only had one good swing and it was from Blanton.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2007 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean....

that school yard sissy push of the skinny asian kid?

Okay, ASB come and gone...time to make the run.

by ak_A on Jul 12, 2007 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

and so true

As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly

by doctorK on Jul 12, 2007 8:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

rebuild for 2008

i think the way the injuries and the whole bradley and piazza situations have played out we've shot ourselves in the foot this year. a second half run isnt going to happen with kotsay and kendall on this team. lets cut these offensive blackholes, bring up some young players and rebuild for next year.

by oak1 on Jul 12, 2007 8:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As it's been said...

all good things must come to an end.  Fortunately for us, bad things end also.  Except if your the Cubs or KC Royals.  We had a string of really great years with strong second half finishes, but today dispels any illusions about the A's second half prospects.  We. Are. Toast.  

Eh, it had to be sooner or later.  I'll gladly roll the dice with Billy again, because I don't think there is much room in his ego for sustained failure at this point in his baseball career. The crap we run out on the field has to grate on him too. It was a great ride while it lasted.  I think we are stuck with Crosby.  Maybe if Billy massacre's the team he will get the message.  Welcome to Melhuse's lot in life Kendall.  A fate you so greedily handed out my soon bite you in the ass.  As for Chavy, take a good look at the bottom of the order....it's your new domicile for the forseeable future.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 12, 2007 9:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Beane made it clear in

today's SF Chron that he is a couple of weeks (July 27th?) from making an assessment.  It's a well-worn cliche, but the team is what it is, so Beane (I hypothesize) is just going to sit back, not get too up, not too down, let the players play, Geren do what he can... No preconceived notions, don't mislead yourself while things play out.  Shoot, July 27th comes around, you can assess "buy" or "sell" in a couple of hours.  

Then, we can all start anew grandstanding on Billy's moves...or lack of them!

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind" Robert Ingersoll, 19th C. American Orator

by One won lost won on Jul 12, 2007 9:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Buy/sell is a notion made up by the "experts"

As Billy has said ad nauseum, you have to sell to buy and vice-versa.  But I understand your point; I think we could sacrifice some veterans to get younger and rebuild our depth for next year.  It's safe to say this season's officially in the tank, so we might as well start developing our young guys, and who knows?  We might even make a good run.

Unfortunately, on an average team with no star players, who are we going to trade?  I don't think any team is salivating over our roster right now.

"Look at this, OK? I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy."

by baseb3383 on Jul 12, 2007 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a couple of weeks from an assessment?

more likely he's been furiously working the phones for at least a couple of weeks, if not more...but of course he's not going to say that.

by OaklandSi on Jul 13, 2007 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt that Beane is "furiously"
doing anything, at his salary.  That is why you have "assistants".

There are only 29 other teams.  If you insist on "furious" activity, it shows you have (1) no plan (2) no value (3) all talk.

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind" Robert Ingersoll, 19th C. American Orator

by One won lost won on Jul 13, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cuddyer ... An All Time A's Killer

Didn't see or hear the game, just saw the 9 innings 5 hits and figured oh well, Santana, what are you going to do?  Then I saw it was that awful Baker.  Man that guy sucks.

This team is dead, dead, dead.  Agree about Kotsay's defense, too.  

I've thought all year and written, too that this is a .500 club.  But you have to say, the way things are going, maybe it isn't.   Sure would be nice to have somebody in the 3, 4 or 5 spot you knew was going to give you 2 or 3 quality ABs every game.

by solotar on Jul 12, 2007 9:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Been driving all day and night but finally

arrived at Comfort Inn somewhere in Illinois and was hoping for a celebration.  My uncle passed away after a long bout with cancer so it's a blessing but driving in the car with 4 women for 12 hours was difficult.

On gameday it said we "lined out" more times than I can even count.  Regardless of how bad Gaudin was tonight... did we deserve a better offensive fate from those watched?  Gosh I was really hoping for a win out of the gate.  Fffuuuuuudge!

"I still believe in 2007!"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 12, 2007 9:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

those "who"
"I still believe in 2007!"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 12, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry about your uncle, o2b.

and the 12 hour car ride with 4 women ;)

"Who is Danny and why are we eating his cake?" -Jennifer's mom

by pam5981 on Jul 12, 2007 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure it would've been fine

if the 4 women weren't related

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Jul 12, 2007 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thx pam5981.
"I still believe in 2007!"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 12, 2007 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My deepest sympathy about your uncle...
"It was just about to happen, at long last, and then we saw the giant badger." ~ mikeA

by Poppy on Jul 12, 2007 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

likewise my friend

today is my dad's 57th birthday........he passed away last Easter Sunday 2006. May all the angels of the heavens and earth be with you and yours during this time of mourning. I definitely understand what you are going through.........God Bless-Martin Rodriguez-mrod

by mrod on Jul 13, 2007 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am very sorry for your loss.

Blessings to you and your family during this difficult time.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 13, 2007 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, 21. It's good you could travel to be with

your family at a time like this.  Our thoughts are with you.  I have lots of in-laws in Illinois.  Nice place to visit, but....

Hang onto your sanity for the ride back home.  :-)  Take care.

by kapers on Jul 13, 2007 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to hear about your uncle ohtobe...

I live with 4 women (daughters, 20, 18, 16)...I only go on crying jags twice a day now though, so I feel for you on your ride.  

If they are older gals, it could be a great ride back.  I once took my grandfather back east on a family reunion trip before he died.  The stories I heard where fantastic.  My family is far more warped than I suspected.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 13, 2007 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The funny thing about the umpiring

tonight was that both teams kept turning around questioning where strikes were...it didn't help Gaudin at all, but it seemed like the ump had a baffling zone tonight.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 12, 2007 10:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was planning on buying mlb.radio for cell phone

but thought I already own mlb.radio, mlb.tv, XM, EI's and Superfan.  The 4-0 deficit made it an easy decision to not make another purchase.

I wish I could have ssen the game because it appeared that we crushed the ball a lot tonight but had nothing to show for it by the score.  You simply can't have that many O-fer's in one lineup and expect to win any games.

This is a perfect opportunity to say "thanks" for creating AN.  I had a terrible day but this was the first place I went after finally arriving at a hotel.  No matter how bad the season goes... this site is still fantastic!

"I still believe in 2007!"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 12, 2007 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"mlb.radio for cell phone"

Does regular MLB Radio work? If so, you can use mine.

Sorry to hear about your uncle.

"It's just like Paul Bunyan showed up and put us on his shoulders."

by Jennifer on Jul 13, 2007 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't have an internet connection ;-(

I have XM but not in the vehicle we were driving.

Thanks anyway.

"I still believe in 2007!"

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 14, 2007 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This year has made me sad.

I'm bored with this team too. I thought Blanton shoving Ichiro would have sparked a flame, but alas, no such flame. Let's go Kentucky Joe tomorrow!

by A'sfansince1970 on Jul 12, 2007 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's Dinardo tomorrow.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Jul 12, 2007 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

When the A's are not playing the Metrodome, I think it's an ok place.

When the A's are playing in the Metrodome, I find the game a little scary to watch.

All Games and Comments are Subject to Blackout

by Hit4TheCycle on Jul 12, 2007 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

When there was hope

. . . until about twenty games ago, when the players who had kept the season alive through all the DL diaspora suddenly had to deal with the Bradley situation.  Bradley acted spoiled and entitled, Beane reacted WAY too hastily.  Bingo, the last of our three most powerful hitters from last year (with Payton and Thomas) was gone.  The hope for the return of passion and solid power was gone.  So the A's are 5-13 since the Bradley DFA.  When was the last time the A's went 5-13 after June 15?

Do You Know the Way to East Bay A's?

by FanSinceKC on Jul 12, 2007 10:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

5-12 in August 2000

Course we were 14 games over when that run started.

by green star oakland on Jul 12, 2007 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame that streak on the Y2K fiasco

Man, that was a bear.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2007 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's weird. At the All-Star Break,

the prevailing sentiment seemed to be "I know it doesn't look good, but I'm retaining hope..." and tonight it seems to be, "OK, it's over, let's reload for 2008." Yet a team could get hot, go 15-3, and still lose to Johan Santana. And if we win tomorrow, we'll be 1-1 since the break after facing Santana. Just saying. Not that it was so rosy yesterday, but it isn't that much bleaker today.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2007 11:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm as big a Beane fan as anybody

but these free agent calls have just not worked out at all. Chavez injured and a shadow of himself, Kendall now beyond repair, Kotsay in decline. Even ELo has been crap, although most of that's due to injury so in his case I actually have hope for value next year. And of course, Piazza's done less than nothing.

It sucks. Kotsay was just a bad move, and perhaps the ELo deal should be seen as more like a 3 year deal than a 4 year given his history of injuries (and at today's prices, 3 effective years at 28 million isn't that bad). Kendall is unfathomable-- I've never seen a player go from significant (if limited) effectiveness to total cipherhood in one year without some kind of injury. And Piazza and Chavez are just more examples of the bad luck which has infested this team since game 2 of the 2003 ALDS.

You could cut over 50% of the A's payroll this season and barely scratch the team in terms of actual contributors. (By WARP, the A's would be all of 2.3 games worse without the 5 of them.) I mean, just think if we could trade the 34 million spent on the non-Chavez guys (at least he's still doing his best and contributing somewhat) for A-Rod.

I mean, I haven't seen Chris Denorfia play an inning, and I'm already convinced he should start in CF next season.

Unfortunately, my Crosby diary got eaten by the software somehow. Suffice it to say he should be in AAA right now.

by PaulThomas on Jul 12, 2007 11:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad planning?

<ducks rotten fruit from Reg, Danny>

I'd say Chavez (injuries not foreseen) and Piazza (total fluke injury) were not mistakes by Beane, but that Kendall, Kotsay, ELo (I wanted Matt Morris, personally), and Crosby (the guy looks like an actor in a "How to set batters up" instructional video for pitchers) are fair game for Beanebashing.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2007 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Beane's weird fetishes for certain players has undone us this season. His allegiance to the likes of Kotsay and Kendall and Crosby and such are largely why we've wasted so many solid pitching performances with a completely inept offense. I don't know what's going on in his head, but he has to be held accountable. (And, again, nobody here is saying he's a bad GM, but it'd be a stretch to argue he hasn't done a bad job within the context of this year. He put together an injury prone team and then when the team predictably collapsed due to injury, he rued his bad luck. Couple that with an ignorant willingness to go ahead and rely on players like Kotsay and Kendall and, well, you have what we see here.)

RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.

by walk off bunt on Jul 13, 2007 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or, it's possible that ...

... given how Beane's constructed the roster the last 3 years, previous to '07 he enjoyed more than his share of good luck.

Lookout Landing is easily the best SBN blog. ~ mikeA @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 13, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chavez and Piazza

Well, Beane's known about Chavvy's shoulder (and Chavvy's unwillingness to have it surgically fixed) since he was drafted; it wouldn't have been unreasonable to prognosticate that Chavvy would suffer cascade/compensation injuries. The forearms have been relatively recent (at least post-extension), but it's certainly possible that there were warning signs prior to the extension.

As for Piazza, I think that even had Piazza played at near-maximal projections, Beane still would have been overpaying for average-at-best DH production.

Lookout Landing is easily the best SBN blog. ~ mikeA @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 13, 2007 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its time

to sell. Team's stank.

(I say this because if, in the long run, it turns out I'm right, then I look slightly smarter. If, however, it turns out I'm wrong then that simply means the team got good and turned it around. See how I did that? Win win.)

RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.

by walk off bunt on Jul 13, 2007 12:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No, Winn

plays for the SF midgets...........yack yack yack!!!

by mrod on Jul 13, 2007 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Christ, & to think we face Santana today.

What's our all-time record against Santana? I know we beat him earlier this year, but we had a better pitching matchup. I sincerely hope Lenny gets a good night's sleep. What's our all-time record on astroturf / field turf / super turf 8 ?
Another point. I know this has been mentioned before, but whoever the butthead was that made our schedule, certainly screwed us over. 17 games in a row, & then to start out against the Twins after the ASB. This is asinine. I blame it all on that pompous, flaming car wreck of a commissioner named Selig. This has nothing to do with our hitting, or poor personnel moves or...    

"They took a x-ray of my head & didn't find nuttin" Bobby " Dean" Crosby

by alpine26 on Jul 13, 2007 1:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Today is going to be scary

with Friday the 13th and Johan "I'm not Ervin" Santana on the mound.  Good thing the full moon was at the beginning of the month or we could have the triumvirate of scare tonight.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Jul 13, 2007 7:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Alright
So who wants to chalk this next one up in the win column?  If I was going to Vegas I'd definitely put money on DiNardo, especially pitching against that bum Santana.
"Look at this, OK? I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy."

by baseb3383 on Jul 13, 2007 7:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

With the odds he's gonna be gettin...
you'd be stupid not to. Can' hurt to put $20 on 27564568:1 odds. I mean it is Friday th 13th. That's gotta help his chances. Maybe the A's offense will be scary good.

by GeorgiaBoy on Jul 13, 2007 7:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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