Tired of Red Sox Fans in Oakland
I've been going to A's games since 1981 and since the Bay Area has such a huge transplant population it is understandable that there will often be a contingent of fans for the other team. However, last year, I was shocked to turn on the radio for an A's/ Red Sox game in OAKLAND, mind you, where the roar of the pro-Red Sox fans led my wife to ask me if the game was in Boston. There are simply not that many New England transplants in California and it really quite cheesy. I mean, most of these people rooting for the Red Sox have probably never been east of Lake Tahoe. They just bought into all the trendy BS a few years ago about the Curse of the Bambino and Fever Pitch and garbage like that. It was like all of those pillbox hats everywhere when the Pittsburgh Pirates won in 1979 or the sudden contingent of Kansas City Cheifs fans in the Bay Area when Joe Montana went over there to end his career. It's just cheesy and though it will eventually fade, it's obnoxious while it lasts. The bottom line is if you are NOT from New England, you are not a real Red Sox fan and you are a lame poseur.
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I sate fox hens
Also, I hate Sox fans.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jun 4, 2007 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Hate Sox Red Fans I
I was at an Oakland/RedSox game last year. I swear to god, I frankly lose it when RedSox fans get started. ARRRAGH. But anyway, we were losing and so some obnoxious Sox fans were giving grief and saying that the A's were a "second rate ghetto team" so some guy said "Too bad you live here in the ghetto." Hilarious. Anyway, there ain't nuthin' no more ghetto than 'Manny being Manny', the idiot.
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't hate anybody...
even Bush...
even AJ Pierzynski...
by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 4, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you're joking.
If not, I hope you can laugh at W., A.J., et al.
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
no, I'm not joking at all...
All life is one, and even though it's fun to revel in the illusion that that is not so, it is merely an illusion.
So, obviously, I laugh at the antics of the president, and Mr. Pierzynski, and my boss. I laugh in the face of the chemicals in the air that turn my blue valley sky a hazy gray every day, and I laugh in the face of the Red Sox, Angels, and Yankees...
by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 4, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
How very Zen
I have to admit to having a hot temper at time, I suppose its the Mediterrainian in me. I'm not sure I would agree with you because there are people like Pol Pot and Hitler that inhabit the earth and being orginally from the Central Californian city of Tulare, I couldn't laugh about the air quality. But to each, their own.
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Hatred is valid.
What you DO with the hatred is what's important, and what determines whether you're a great man or a goof.
Ignoring all is not zen, it's futility.
I hate Sox fans, too.
They're like, "I'm lame."
I hate Boston fans in general
but if we're NRAFs are we not real A's fans either?
I always wondered what that acronym stood for...
now, I know... Not Real A's Fan.
Thanks for clearing that up, closetasfan. ;-)
by FoolshGame22 on Jun 4, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I understand.....
Show me someone who became an A's fan...
..because they're in the World Series every year, and I'll show you someone who's at least 45 years old.
You only need to be 25 ...
I became an A's fan (more due to coming of age) right around the time the A's of the late 80s, early 90s were in the World Series every year. I am 25.
feh
I was sick all weekend and still don't feel good, but I'll be at the Coli tonight & tomorrow, cheering as much as I can.... just to shut up that bitchy woman BoSox fan who called the Extra Innings show last year to scold A's fans for not showing up.
The bandwagon is huge
since they won the World Series....More new Red Sox hats and jerseys than I can believe. Even the hardcore longtime Red Sox fans hate it....read Bill Simmons talking about it, he even admits it is brutal.
Whenever I see a Boston Red Sox fan
walking down the street (obviously, in their gear), I boo them.
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
same here
when I meet someone new and discover they are a R'sox fan, it makes me sick to my stomach. Their bandwagon is overflowing with real idiots.
by sf drift king on Jun 4, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Toss the Red Sox fans off Mt. Davis if they cheer
Dear Red Sox Fans,
If you're gonna come to the game fine. Sit there and if your precious BoSox make a good move clap. That's fine, but respect our house and dont chant obnoxiuosly. Don't make A's fans turn to Raiders fans and kick you out. ok? good.
Thank you,
A's fan
p.s. If you're not from New England than stop pretending and jump off the bandwagon.
p.p.s. Just because you have family in New England does not mean you are from there and that is no reason to be a Red Sox fan.
by 15andLovinIt28 on Jun 4, 2007 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
That's just silly
- If you go to an A's game on the road, you won't cheer? If not, you're not much of an A's fan.
- More often than not, people cheer for the team their parents cheer for ... things like tradition and loyalty are a pretty big part of what makes baseball the American Pasttime.
- A heck of a lot of great A's fans on this site aren't from Oakland (or the surrounding areas) ... a few of them haven't been to Oakland and a number more made their first trip because they had already become fans of the team.
- If an opposing crowd is able to drown out the home crowd -- it's not the opposing crowd's fault.
Well I was born in Whittier (Near L.A.)
And have lived my whole in SoCal... but my dad was a huge A's fan (Was born in Berkley. I grew up going to every A's-Angles series downhere, and we would fly up to the Coliseum 2 or 3 times a year to catch a weekend series.
So do I still count as an A's Fan?
I think what 15andlovingit28
is saying is the way R'sox fans go about cheering for their team is downright obnoxious. There's nothing wrong with cheering for your team but the way they carry on in an opponent's house is disrespectful and rude. It's gonna make someone go "Raider fan" on them if they don't watch it.
I'm already preparing to bring my Redsox whack-an-idiot to 2morrow night's game.
I'm asking for 5 cents per whack. Free after the 7th inning.
by sf drift king on Jun 4, 2007 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not going to get better any time soon.
Courtesy of Ben Affleck:

that's criminal child abuse
even if it was just affleck without the Sox propoganda.
That child needs to be hit in the head...
by a fastball.
Oops, did I write that out loud?
Gosh -- How quickly they learn to be Soxers!

by The Dogfather on Jun 4, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
This is why
They're called Mass holes.
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
hey...
can't you see this poor kid's parents abuse him?
his parents must have burned his face with a hot iron or something..
I can't blame the kid for being angry...
Looks like a murder-suicide waiting to happen in about 10 years...
by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 4, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The Ed Kemper of Boston
"Shut up ma!"
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
In that kid's defense...
" ... I was shocked to turn on the radio...
...for an A's/ Red Sox game in OAKLAND..."
I think you've identified part of the problem.
my experience is that many of the most
obnoxious Sux fans who come to the games in Oakland are not from the east, nor have they been fans all their life. Many of them just discovered the team after the 2004 World Series.
When I say obnoxious I am not just talking about loudly rooting for their team. I'm talking about actual accosting of A's fans, even on BART, following a Sux win.
I had a Sux fan
go off on me for cheering last season! She was a total biatch. I almost hit her. Now I hate the fans as much as the team, but I'll be there on Wednesday, at least.
by luvsthecurveball on Jun 4, 2007 11:20 AM PDT reply actions
The Bandwagon Called Red Sox Nation
There isn't anything more annoying than a current-day Red Sox fan. This comes from a native New Englander who grew up devoted to the team. I watched Bucky Dent's homer in '78 from a hospital bed waiting for my tonsils to be removed (the doctor joined me).
It used to be you loved the Sox because of the hope that they could win. They never did, so you loved them more. It was an inherited character flaw based on geography and long winters.
Now it's cool to love them because they win. It's also a way for carpetbaggers to reminisce about Boston. I say to them, if you like it so much, go back. You'll be closer to Fenway and its ridiculous ticket prices.
On Saturday, the Sox/Yanks game was televised nationally (of course). I watched the first half before I had to take my dog out. In the park is a guy with a Sox hat and a "World Series" hoodie. I had to ask him, "How can you not be watching the game?" He gave me a blank look. I'm not sure he even knew the game was on.
Unfortunately, a lot know where the games are the next four days. Give em hell.
by reformdredsoxer on Jun 4, 2007 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
I appreciate fans who have a real connection
to the team they root for. I have a friend who was born in Boston and spent many years there before his family moved to San Diego, then to Northern Cal. He was at Fenway the last game Ted Williams played. His mother has the thickest New England accent I've ever heard in real life. I can't hate them for being Boston fans. But I can't believe that there are so many people who share such backgrounds as your's and his. Although he's now more a Giant's fan, he and I have been going to Boston/A's games since about 1989. I don't remember Boston fans being obnoxious back then, even while the A's and Red Sox were battling for AL supremacy. The change in their behavior seems to have happend sometime this decade, before they won the Series. I don't think its just the band wagon effect at play; though, once again, I can't believe all these people were raised as die hard Sox fans. I wonder if it isn't just a change in baseball fandom, that its okay to act agressive or obnoxious in another team's stadium, just to draw attention to yourself, or to effect a takeover. Whatever the cause, it feels more like a football atmosphere when I go to these games. And that's not what baseball is supposed to feel like. I still go to these games because I don't feel that As' fans should allow themselves themselves to be chased out of their own stadium. But I don't look forward to them very much.
Not as bad as Yankee Fans
Last year I went on my birthday. I didn't have the greatest seats in the world, but they worked. The group sitting behind me were all Red Sox fans, and they actually came out from Boston for the week to see the series. They were pretty nice folks, wished me a happy birthday and we chatted about all things baseball for most of the night. I even told them when the game was over that I was very thankful to be sitting near them because they gave Red Sox fans a good name.
I have never had such luck with Yankee Fans. In fact I absolutely HATE going to Yankees games at the Coliseum. It seems like they are the worst bandwagon fans on the planet. The phrase "Under every Yankees Hat is an Ass Hole!" is just too true during that series!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Jun 4, 2007 12:19 PM PDT reply actions
Like syphilis isn't as bad as herpes
They're both lousy and end products of irresponsible behavior.
I think Red Sox fans will become the new Yankee fans, current Yankee "fans" might switch over to the other dark side now that the Sox are rolling and the Yankees are blowing chunks.
by braek462 on Jun 4, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The worst ballpark experience
I have ever had involved Red Sox fans. I happened to be in Orange County so I decided to see the Red Sox play the Angels. At the time I didn't hate the Sox (2002) almost as much as I hate the Yankee's and the Angels. I sat in the nosebleeds with my wife and daughter and was completely surrounded by Sox fans. One group directly behind me were young males who proceeded to get ripped during the game. One dude actually smuggled in alcohol in a catheter bag taped to his ankle. By the fifth inning they were falling all over everybody. One of the idiots actually urinated in a bottle with kids around. Final straw. I thought I was going to have to toss one of the idiots off the third deck, which wouldn't have been all that difficult. After an exchange of unpleasantries I let them know that now would be a good time to leave before the cops with uniforms on showed up. A night in the kiddie pervert section of the Orange county jail might not be to their liking. That prospect seemed to penetrate their alcohol soaked stupidity and they scampered off to the sound of jeers from the other fans in the area. All the other encounters with Red Sox fan's haven't been as pleasant. I don't mind watching them get beat in the stands at all. As a matter of policy I always tell Oakland PD that the Red Sox fans are repsonsible for all altercations in my immidiate area.
sounds like an alcohol problem
rather than a Red Sox problem...
I'm a huge advocate of the idea that there should be a special section of ballparks just for rowdies to sit and get drunk and fight in, and a special section for nonsmokers/nondrinkers, families, and gentle types...
I'm sure you'd find some good Red Sox fans in my proposed "gentler" section...
by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 4, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
Just because I have A beer or someone I'm with has A beer doesn't mean we have to sit with Massholes.
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed...
you folks could sit in 90% of my hypothetical ballpark... just not in the "Rowdy" or "Family" sections...
by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 4, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
Its not the Alcohol's fault, that same dickhead usually would be a jerk with or without the booze. I love to drink at A's games. You just have to remember to be respectful to the people around you, espically if there are kids. But if not its all good. Thats one of the great experiences of going to the ballpark, the diversity.
Non alcoholic sections
are a good idea when promoting a family venue. It's not that I'm prudish about alcohol, I will even imbibe on occassions, though not with my kids around. It's not the message I want to send....although that may sound hypocritical. I don't care. I really don't mind the rowdies all that much. One occassion my family and I sat in the Coli surrounded by drunken Yankee fans. They were only slightly obnoxious, but in a funny bantering way. We had a great time laughing at and with them. But it's been my experience that being an alcoholic and from New England is sort of synonymous. They go together. Maybe it's the winter. Maybe it's the realization that they are indeed Massholes. While it's generalizing in the extreme, fans from New England stand out head and shoulders from the recent additions. You can tell them apart by the giant sphinchter just below their collar line.
that's not a sphincter...
that's a tracheotomy hole! although it does spew out similar substances...
Certain teams have certain traditions, and Boston fans are the hardest drinking fans in the business. Of course, there are many who jumped on that bandwagon more for the drinking than for the baseball...
by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 4, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
They are a hard drinking lot.
And the next generation aims to carry that tradition to new heights...or so it would seem. I know a guy who is a Boston transplant. He's a good guy and a Red Sox fan. It's like reliegon to the natives. But when the guy drinks, he really poors it on and can be very unpleasant to be around. I've never asked if he wants to go see a game with me because I might have to stick up for him. And really, that just goes against principle.
Not a real A's fan?
So basically unless I live in the Oakland/Bay Area, I'm not a true A's fan. So tell me what team I am truly a fan for b/c I live in North Carolina and we have no major league team. I'm 25 years old and have always been an Oakland fan due to McGwire, Canseco, Stewart, Henderson, Lansford, and Eck. A's posters and calenders have always been in my room, which was painted green and gold, and I have lots of collectibles. I drove to Baltimore to watch the A's play, and have XM radio and MLB.TV so I don't miss a game, but someone please tell me what team I could be a "true" fan of???
You're a fan
I think, if you have a love of the game. It doesn't matter where you live. If you're interested in the direction of your chosen team and up with the roster and there whether they win or lose, you're a fan. I think the problem here in Oakland is that there are a lot of east coast club fans that take their love too far. I don't know how many times I've been on a train back home and some person is waxing on and on about the Yankees or the Sox and they know one or two guys on the team. Jeez, I could tell you the names and position of most of the Yanks and Sox players and I don't like them. The fans that cause problems at games aren't real fans at all but rather either hooligans or idiots. And that goes for A's fans as well. If I had a nickle for every drunk bimbette that yelled "Huston Streets! Houston Streets!", I'd be very rich indeed or at least I'd have enough for a nacho.
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, you call yourself a fan...
and you have yet to quit your job, uproot your family, sell your home, say goodby to your friends and relocate to the bay? What kind of devotion do you really have? ;)
People pick up a team to follow for a variety of reasons. Geography is just one of them. In a way you have it good. It becomes an event when your team comes to a venue close to you. Lots of anticipation and the promise of a good time.
I recently heard a rumor that the founder of this blog lives, in of all places, the SOUTHERN portion of the state of California. Heresy in the extreme. How devoted could that guy be if it were true?
he didn't used to live there...
he moved.
And of course, it remains unspoken (until now) that he moved down there on a secret mission from Mr. Beane himself to infiltrate the Angels' fanbase and do weird secret stuff to them, like brainwashing them into playing with John Lackey voodoo dolls, etc...
As for me, if I had to move to the Bay Area to become an A's fan, well, the A's would have one less fan. I've lived in a lot of places (including SF) and other than my old neighborhood in New Orleans, which is pretty much toast now, midtown Sacramento is the nicest of them all...
by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jun 4, 2007 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
My First Hand Account of Red Sox Fans
Last year I went to a Red Sox / Angels game at Anaheim Stadium. I got off the train and was walking through the parking lot when I saw a group of Sox fans having a few beers. I went over to them to wish their team well that night, and they could see by my gear that I was an A's fan.
Well, they offered up a few beers, and we hung out and talked for about 20 minutes before I had to go and try to hook up with a mate of mine who was driving up from San Diego.
Anyway, these people were very normal, very nice, knowledgeable and respectful. A few of them were from Boston but now lived in SoCal and a few others were still living in Boston but were following their team on a west coast swing.
Every team - even the A's - has a few loutish thug obnoxious asshole fans. I suspect the majority of fans of any team are not that much different from all of us, they just have a different allegience
Cheers
by onlysaying on Jun 4, 2007 1:29 PM PDT reply actions
Agreed
It's the 'football hooligans' of any team that cause the problems.
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, YOU sure know how to poop a party.
Just when we were working a xenophobic froth of righteous indignation in our zeal to repulse the invading foe, you have to horn-in and humanize the enemy. Sheesh.
Thanks a bunch.
by The Dogfather on Jun 4, 2007 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure
They'll be many a foe to curse at the game as many a jerkacu (of Poke'mon fame) will show up and act like an idiot hepped up on alchy.
by mlleaimee on Jun 4, 2007 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
they just suck
stop thinking you Redsox Fans are all that and 4 bags of chips. go back to New England and eat ya chowda!
I used to like Red Sox fans...
...then about 5 years ago so many of them started acting like smug a-holes. Screw 'em.
BoxSox fans
are why I won't be at any games this week. It has become a toss-up between Yankee fans and BoxSox fans.
One thing that bugs me
Is how some A's fans buddy up to the Raiders when it benefits them, but talk major shit all the rest of the time. For the record I hate the Raiders. I hate mt. Davis, and i really really hate the fact that the city of Oakland chose that losing, traitor, no good team, that picked up in the middle of the night and moved to L.A; over the A's. But fuck, if we are always trying so hard to seperate ourselves from Raiders fans, then we shouldnt talk about "Going Raider fan" on someone. Fuck the Raider nation, this is the Athletics Nation!!!
this will be less of a problem in the near future
...when the Golden States of North America Athletics of Fremont take the field a half-dozen or so BART stops from the silver and black. I'll miss the field-sharing stuff in september/october, just for the way it puts a scrappy touch on what have become overblown productions in both sports.
I suppose I should make an appearance in this...
holla.
I can empathize to an extent. I'm starting to dislike going to Red Sox-A's games because of the crappy fans that go to it on both sides. On the A's side, it's regrettable but it seems a lot of diehard A's fans give the Red Sox series a miss and you get your higher than average proportion of Raiduh loving meatheads. Causing trouble isn't really in my nature (I usually go alone anyway, so it's not like I have a posse) and by the fact my cap has a B on it, I'm good for one in your face fuck you per year from some drunk twit in a Randy Moss jersey. Honestly, it's enough to make a man pull out his Patriots flag and run around the plaza front row with it (still the ultimate coup de grace in Red Sox-A's sparring). Tonight a couple of drunk assholes made a point of harrassing every Sox fan they saw and poured beer on an eight year old kid's head. Guys screaming fuck you when Papi went deep just isn't something that should be heard in a ballpark (at best, it's uncreative and lame). There's no question in my mind it's a two way street when it comes to the verbal taunting and abuse.
But god damn I hate the fucking pink hat crowd. When I started going in the early 90s you used to get maybe 3-4,000 in a 30,000 crowd and you pretty much stopped everybody you saw in a Red Sox hat and exchanged pleasantries because it was a fairly rare sight seeing one. Now I know from personal experience that there has been a flood of New Englanders into the region in the last few years - there's pretty much been a flood of everybody - because of financial, tech, biotech jobs, etc etc etc.
But dude, five years ago it was the same couple thousand. Where the hell were these people? Now to be fair, it wasn't just 04. For me there was at least twice as many people during the 03 series and just as many for the playoffs, especially since people fly in from all over and make it a holiday in San Francisco and whatnot. And in late 06 when the Red Sox were falling apart there was still a really good number of Red Sox fans, way more than I expected personally.
But for sure 05 is when you saw a flood of newbs.
It's hard to tell who is who, really. I know some people who went to Boston for college and moved right out of Boston who are great fans; I know some people who grew up in Dorchester who are meatheads I wouldn't want to talk baseball with for five minutes. I myself am the son of Connecticut natives who grew up Red Sox fans and went to school in Boston; I was in a Red Sox onesie as an infant (by the way - cram it 15andlovinit). I met a really cool guy who has been a Red Sox fan for 40 years and grew up in Wyoming of all places.
by FlynnSox on Jun 5, 2007 1:22 AM PDT reply actions
in my personal experience
(and I've been attending A's games since the early 1980's) the really problematic Sux fans are newbies since 2004 and aren't from New England.
Others may have had different experiences, but these are mine.
I actually
shared my peanuts with some Redsox fans in my section, and felt icky afterwards.
Boston fans smell like bean farts
Actually, I appreciate fans who stick up for their team. If you have an actual story that confirms your love for a team and can drop at least a little science into your fan-speak, you are probably a bleeder of the colors as opposed to a rider of the bandwagon.
Every team I sway my allegiance to has a territorial or emotional thread that forever keeps me connected to the team stronger than any $11.99 Red Sox Target-bought hat wearer.
Anyway, bandwagoneers are retarded, but not as much as thug fans.
I loves me my A's and Fuck All Raider Haters.
"Hate" would not be the proper word
but Red Sox fans are starting to drive me crazy. Before 2004, they were basically dominated by Yankees fans and it was like "ok, whatev". Now they all just sit around and are like "Oh, we're the best, Beckett's the best pitcher in the majors" and I just sit there and go "Uh, Haren? Uh, Peavy?" I'm SICK of it! And, to top it off, they're like "Oh, we suffered sooo much, and now we get to play Moneyball with millions..." they think their organization is so smart, but they're inconsistent and cheap and Theo's just a lucky bastard and the fans are annoying beyond anything... ok, maybe hate is the proper word...
by CTAsGirl on Jun 5, 2007 5:52 AM PDT reply actions
Three distinct groups of "enemy fans"...
Yankee fans tend to be the most arrogant and jaded.
Red Sox fans tend to be the most belligerent and fanatical.
And Giants fans...well, they usually fall into one of two camps: indifferent or deluded.

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