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Is it "game over" for Jason Kendall?

Unless you've been living under a rock, you're acutely aware of how awful the A's offense has been this year.  Only the Chicago White Sox have scored fewer runs in the American League.  Oakland's team OPS of .667 is the worst such figure in the AL, and way off the league average of .734.  

When your offense is that bad, it makes sense to evaluate every possible way in which one might improve it.  One idea that leaps to mind for me is ensuring that the worst offensive player in the AL isn't third on your team in at-bats...and that player is none other than Jason Kendall.

Star-divide

The degree to which Kendall has been awful for a solid five weeks now is hard to understate.  His OPS is .400.  His OPS+ is 13.  His current line is .170/.221/.179.  It's a bad sign when a figure that's supposed to combine two figures, like OPS, is lower that what many players get out of just one of them.  In 106 at-bats this year, Jason Kendall has exactly ONE extra-base hit (a double).

Let me say that again, just so it doesn't get lost--in 106 at-bats this year, Jason Kendall has exactly ONE extra-base hit.

If the A's are serious about improving their offense this year, they've got to consider the possibility that giving 12% of their at-bats to the worst offensive player in the AL is a huge reason for it.

In another diary, OaktownMagical07 expressed his frustration about Kendall's performance to date, and hoped that the A's recent acquisition of Closser was a sign that a promotion for Kurt Suzuki might be in the offing.  It didn't occur to me until he said it, but why shouldn't this be a very viable option?  Here, as I see it, are the possible pros and cons of such a move:

PROS

--There is no way that Suzuki could put up offensive numbers worse than Kendall's.  It just simply isn't possible.
--Kendall's contract expires after this season, and it's painfully obvious, given how they have ignored Kendall's public pleas for a contract extension, that the A's have no intention of bringing Kendall back next year.  May as well continue to develop his replacement against the best competition, as was done with Tejada and Chavez.
--While Kendall is a very good defensive catcher who throws out about 30% of potential base-stealers (2005 notwithstanding), Suzuki is also a good defensive catcher, and has a better arm.  Speaking strictly about playing the position, we will lose little, if anything, with Suzuki behind the plate.

CONS

--Kendall calls an excellent game.  He's adept at knowing when to visit the pitcher, and what to tell them to get them back on track.  He has considerable knowledge of opposing hitters, and what to throw them.  While it's difficult to quantify the effect a catcher has on a pitching staff's success, we have an inordinately successful pitching staff.  Messing with that success is dangerous.
--Kendall is clearly respected by his teammates, and is highly competitive.  The team might react very negatively to benching Kendall--and Kendall might react very negatively to it.
--Kendall is an excellent, aggressive base-runner, and can steal a base for you despite his average speed.

With Mike Piazza out injured, Kendall has some time to turn around his offensive season and make this discussion moot.  However, if he's still hovering around the Mendoza line in June, I feel strongly that the A's need to do anything they can to salvage this season, and prepare for the next one.  The best way for them to do that is to bring up Suzuki, DFA Melhuse, and make Kendall a backup catcher and pinch-runner.

Suzuki is clearly the A's future at catcher.  While he hasn't really been spectacular in the minors, he's shown consistent ability to be an 800 OPS player at every level in the minors--first at low A, then high A, then at Midland last year.  Key offensive numbers for Suzuki:

2004 Vancouver (age 20, 175 ABs):  .297/.394/.440,  3 HR, 31 RBI
2005 Stockton (age 21, 441 ABs):   .277/.378/.440, 12 HR, 65 RBI
2006 Midland (age 22, 376 ABs):    .285/.392/.415,  7 HR, 55 RBI

Thus far at AAA Sacramento, Suzuki is hitting .303/.377/.384 with a homer and 17 RBI in 99 ABs.  While these aren't numbers that overwhelm, wouldn't it be nice to have a catcher who can at least occasionally hit the ball hard?

We can't ignore the opportunity to potentially double the OPS we get from 12% of our offense, and we have that opportunity in Kurt Suzuki.  While it may be worth giving Kendall a chance to right himself to avoid a messy clubhouse situation, the A's cannot avoid that situation much longer if they really want to field a competitive offense.

Poll
Should Kurt Suzuki replace Jason Kendall
The A's should replace him, but with Piazza
8 votes
The A's should replace him, but with someone else
18 votes
Yes, immediately
108 votes
Yes, if Kendall hasn't improved by the time Piazza's back
122 votes
No, we need to ride out Kendall's last year for the clubhouse's sake
135 votes

391 votes | Poll has closed

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i don't know about "replace"

i'd send melhuse back down and split the starting C job 50/50 between suzuki and kendall initially, and then base playing time on how they both perform.  
that way suzuki is eased into the job and kendall still has one last chance to show that he's not done.  it could be just the motivation kendall needs to get his act together.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 6, 2007 10:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That could work.

I don't love a guy you're trying to develop only playing part-time, but that might help make the whole situation more palatable for everyone involved.  I should have made that a poll option.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the problem is

-is suzuki ready?  not really.
-will he be any better than kendall offensively this year?  probably not much better.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 6, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he would be better offensively.

I honestly can't think of a way you could be worse at hitting a baseball than Kendall has the last five weeks.  He won't stay that bad, but he's been in significant decline for three years now.  A .600 OPS is not out of the question.

It might be a little quick for Suzuki, but he does have nearly 1,000 minor-league ABs now.  That's a better than average number.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not just the offense...

Look, if Suzuki's going to be catching next year, I want him up now, learning the subtleties of defensive catching and pitch calling at the Major league level.

I'm not a pessimist, but it's likely that the A's aren't a playoff team this year, and if the Angels take any sort of commanding lead, I want Suzuki up learning as much as he can from Kendall, Piazza, and Geren, in order to hopefully make him at least an AL average defensive catcher next year.  

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: Too Early

Way too early to tell if the A's are going to contend.   Recent history suggests if the A's are within striking distance on June 1, they can contend.  So long as the A's do not totally knock themselves out with a devastating May Swoon, they will likely contend for the division.  And so far so good, we're 3-2 this May.  What I find encouraging is the fact we are so banged up but have not lost that much ground.  We have lost our entire starting day outfield except one (Shannon Stewart), our best pitcher (Harden), an innings eater (Loaiza), and our offseason free agent DH acquisition (Piazza) - yet we are currently even in the loss column with the Angels, only one game out. :)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 7, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I think you could arguably say that we aren't a world champion caliber team, and you'd probably be right.  But if we can tread for a little longer, we can still make the playoffs at which point anything can happen.  But I do agree with bringing him up to learn.  I'd just rather not have him sit back and not play.  Instead I'd like to see that happen in late July/August, closer to when his minor league season would be done so that he can still get 10-30 more games in the final 2/3 months at the major league level.

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by DMOAS on May 7, 2007 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes good sense ..

DMOAS - good post.  And probably the most likely scenario for Suzuki .. meanwhile Kendall will likely start to hit better, at least not embarrass himself and hurt the team the way his awfully slow start has been doing ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 7, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing you can count on . . .

Kendall will hurt the team.  Even if Kendall hits .300, he is a destructive force on a lineup's ability to score runs. Will it be less painful to have Kendall hit .300 and slug .325 then it will be to have him hit .170 and slug .180?  Of course, but even though the pain will be attenuated, it will not be eliminated.

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by BlameChannel53 on May 7, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the objective?

Are we talking short term or long term here?

Here's how bad the A's offense is right now. They've scored 111 runs in 29 games. That's 10 runs fewer than the Mariners have scored and Seattle has played 4 fewer games! The A's have scored exactly 1/3 of their total runs (37) in 3 games. That means in the other 26 games the a's have managed 74 runs scored. That's 2.85 runs per game. Yes, Kendall sucks but he is not single handedly responsible for the travesty that is the Oakland A's offense.

Which is why I ask if we're focusing on long term or short term goals.

Short term, replacing Kendall with even a league average offensive player will improve the line-up. However, the change wouldn't make that great of a difference because the offense is so inept. Maybe a new Catcher would boost the output to a full 3 runs a game... which still sucks! The A's need to see improvement from several players before we can expect to see a better offense.

I'm not a Jason Kendall fan!

But if you take a long term approach it becomes clear that Kendall does not have much of an influence on the overall offensive production. Benching him or platooning him effectively cripples one of his most endearing qualities: what he'll be worth after his Athletics career is over. If Kendall can get his bat going (and lets be honest, it can only get better from here on out) he could be worth something at the trade deadline. And if he approach his 2005 level he'll (likely) maintain his Type A FA status, meaning he could be worth up to 2 1st round draft picks. That's definetly worth considering.

I think Kendall should rest more, give Melhuse some more AB. I also don't think Suzuki is ready just yet for the Show. I think he still has room to improve in AAA, lets not rush him. Maybe in a couple months it will be time to call up Suzuki and let him replace Melhuse. But not now.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 6, 2007 11:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

in the past two years I've noticed

that Kendall tends to hit with a bit more authority after resting a game. The guy has caught an awful lot of innings, and is certainly at an age when many catchers decline offensively.

I also doubt Suzuki is ready to step in as the starting A's catcher.

by OaklandSi on May 6, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least...

Suzuki is ready to come up and platoon, or play twice a week, and absorb information from the bench.  If we were talking about replacing a slumping outfielder or something more mundane than that, I'd say leave the kid down on the farm for more seasoning.

However, there are some things as a catcher you have to learn on the Major League level, and if we're going to be relying on this guy next year, I want him to get at least 2-3 months on the big club this year learning.  Even if he hits for a WORSE stat line than Kendall, I still want him out there if he's going to be catching for us next year.

Now, if Mr. Beane has another plan that does not involve Mr. Suzuki being up on the big club next year, then all bets are off and I wish Mr. Beane the best with whatever he's planning...

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The draft picks are a very good point.

I'm not convinced Suzuki isn't ready, though.  If league average is .734 for OPS, I think he can do that.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

.761 in hitter-friendly PCL

.807 in AA last year.  
i think a .724 OPS would be tough for suzuki this year.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 6, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of that

Suzuki isn't a slugger, he'll probably have to get a little lucky to post a slugging much higher than .400. But he gets on base and he'll cost the league minimum.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 6, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm just responding to your comment

that suzuki can post a .734 OPS.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 6, 2007 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean jeepers' comment
Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 6, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, yeah

wasn't paying attention, thought that was jeepers.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 6, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suzuki isn't a slugger but...

Do you remember that second deck blast in the last exhibition game against the Giants?  My god, he smoked that ball a great distance.  It would have taken Kendall 5 hits to get that much distance on the ball!

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Five hits

In other words, it would take him about six starts.

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by iglew on May 7, 2007 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't get those draft picks

unless we offer him arbitration...which is incredibly risky, because he may accept it and then be unwanted by anyone else.

At that point we're doubly screwed - we're paying Kendall an obscene salary again, and we're blocking Suzuki.

I don't think it's a slam dunk that the A's will get draft picks for Kendall, because I'm not sure they'll offer him arbitration.

The way he's hitting, what team would forfeit it's first rounder just to sign him?

Just pretty risky all the way around.

That said, they'll give him at least another month to work it out. There's too much invested in him.

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by notsellingjeans on May 6, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arbitration

If Kendall starts hitting there's always the chance that someone signs him before the deadline to offer arbitration.

There is also the possibility that Kendall would agree not to accept arbitration if offered, meaning the A's could still get a draft pick for him.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 6, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He won't be worth a draft pick

because he won't be a Type A Free Agent.

by Zonis on May 7, 2007 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He probably will, though.

The mere number of games he's played and bases he's stolen will make him stand out.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 7, 2007 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you 100 percent

grover.  If anything, split more time between Melhuse and Kendall right now.  I think people respect Melhuse's ability to throw out runners more than Kendall's as well.

Although I do think it would be valuable for Suzuki to get some time and experience in the bigs right now.  Especially if the A's plan is to go with Suzuki as the main backstop next year.

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 7, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a word

Yes. Kendall's finished.

Is Suzuki ready to step in? I think so, if by step in, you mean hit .250/.330/.320.

Which, at this point, I'd probably gladly take.

RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.

by walk off bunt on May 6, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kendall's not finished!

He just needs to adapt.  He needs to adapt mentally to not being a 150 game a year catcher.  If he were to catch 4 days a week instead of 5 or 6, he would get a lot of his offense back because his body wouldn't be so damn beat up...

I'm not saying he'd hit homers or anything, but he'd bat at least .250

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, I watched Suzuki play last night

Hit into a PLETHURA of inning ending double plays last night, only to finally come through with a clutch base hit late in the game.

Bat for bat, they are equally unimpressive.

No one calls a game as well as Kendall.

Don't worry, he is gone in free agency after this year. Look elsewhere for output this season

...bork bork bork. swede

by since72 on May 6, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jefe,

what is a PLETHURA?

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on May 6, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Latin for a

butt-load.  Not quite a fuck load, just a butt load.

Flatten Your Thirds.

by LawDaddy on May 6, 2007 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's too many
...bork bork bork. swede

by since72 on May 6, 2007 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More than the misspelling,

I'm disappointed no one got the 3 Amigos reference.

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on May 6, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry El Gaupo
Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 7, 2007 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen Suzuki quite a bit this season

and yes, he does hit into almost as many double plays as Chavez, Swisher, Crosby, and anyone else on this team.  

Also, like Swisher, Scutaro, and Ellis, he gets a lot of clutch hits.

I'm tired of all this useless debate.  Let's just sign Brandon Buckley and demote Kendall to bullpen catcher...

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's an idea

LET'S GIVE KENDALL A DAY OFF EVERY NOW AND THEN. Obviously, there is absolutely no reason to be starting him every day, if he's gonna hit like this. Melhuse ain't that great a hitter either, but Melhuse will not have a problem bettering him at the plate. Hell, I have grandparents that can hit better than Kendall. So why don't they split 50/50? I know Kendall has a huge ego, apparantly, forcing him to play every day, and I know he's the highest paid player on the A's, but come on, NO catcher plays behind the plate this much. The other high-paid catchers don't play as often as Kendall, and they can actually hit. So I think it would be best to give him more time off.

by Philip Christy on May 6, 2007 12:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

100% agreement here

I dont know why they treat poor Melhuse the way they do - with all the injuries the A's have, he's STILL on the damn bench all the time, and I would think that his bat might be helpful late in close games.

But the number one irony with the A's seems to be that "performance dictates playing time" (maybe that was just Macha) is only relevant to some guys and not others (Crosby, anyone?).

I think it really is the paycheck. Theyre gonna play Kendall until he finally requests time off, and the way theyre going, he just might finally do that.

by popcornjames on May 7, 2007 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about trying to acquire Salty from the Braves

and have a catching/DH duo of Salty and Suzu, the one not catching getting the DH spot.

by Zonis on May 6, 2007 12:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to have him.

And the Braves are kind of over a barrel with him because of McCann.  It would be interesting to see what they would consider fair value for him.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what would you do with..

melhuse, piazza, and kendall?

possibly send one down, trade another and keep the last as a backup catcher?

I don't see any of these scenarios playing out, just curious.

by AllThingsOakland on May 6, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

melt them down...

and make them into hockey pucks!

Melhuse and Kendall have no trade value right now.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that makes no sense whatsoever.

really.  what a lousy idea.
salty is a top prospect, so it would take a lot to get him.  why would you trade away a ton of talent for a catcher, only to DH him?  we're using a former catcher as DH only because he's old, a lousy catcher, and arguably the best hitting catcher ever.
if salty is an adequate defensive catcher, why wouldn't you have him catch and get a better hitter than suzuki to DH?  

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 6, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no, IMO.

Yes, you have Saltalamacchia catch if you get him--he's a pretty good defensive catcher in addition to being an awesome hitter.  Suzuki becomes your second-best catching prospect and is treated as such, or you deal him for something else.  

Saltalamacchia is, however, a pretty ideal trade prospect because he's blocked by McCann.  He may need to be dealt for less than optimal value as a result.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, but you don't DH him

and you can't DH suzuki because he has no value as a DH.  that's all i'm saying.  

and sure he's blocked, but plenty of teams would want a good young catcher, it's not like the braves are just going to give him away for close to nothing.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 6, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not DHing him

What I am saying is, for example, if Salty is catching that day, Suzuki is the DH (this is in 2008, btw, since Salty would take over as catcher in 2007 and Suzuki will be ready in 2008). And when Suzuki is catching, Salty gets the day off by DHing.

So you have two catchers, good hitters, where the one who is not catching that day is still in the lineup.

But I guess you would rather have Jason Kendall DH, right? I mean, after all, we can only have crippled catchers in the DH position, right?

by Zonis on May 7, 2007 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too many teams need catching

No need for Atlanta to sell short on Salty.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 6, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

The competition for him may still make it possible for them to get fair value--they're just in the uncomfortable position of needing to stick with him (or make him change positions) if they don't get that offer.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best solution right now

is to give Melhuse more starts. Nothing too drastic for Kendall, just something like 1 day off every week or so. Suzuki's not ready yet and Kendall, in addition to making a lot of money, is still a major fixture for the pitching staff. He's already made 27 starts this year, probably 4-5 too many. Mixing in Melhuse will give us an offensive plus occasionally and keep Kendall as physically capable as possible over the duration of the season. No way should he be catching over 130 games a season.

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on May 6, 2007 1:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The trouble with the claim
that Suzuki could match Kendall's offensive production because anyone could hit and slug .180 is that it presumes Kendall will continue hitting and slugging under .180. He won't. Unfortunately, he may not start batting .300 but he IS going to improve--anyone would, let alone someone of Kendall's track record. And I'm saying this as someone who has said, since April 2005, that Jason Kendall doesn't look to me like a very good hitter.
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by Nico on May 6, 2007 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm aware of that.

I think Kendall will improve to, at best, a .650 OPS (.600 is more likely), and don't see how Suzuki could do worse than that.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's easy. A rookie, either rushed
or just not yet ready to hit big league pitching, can easily post a .200-.220 average and a .250-.270 OBP, with very few XBH. All you have to do is get out a lot, like Danny Putnam is doing.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 6, 2007 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there is that.

Maybe I find the consistency of Suzuki's minor-league numbers too reassuring.

What's different about this situation, for me, is we have lots of better options than Putnam (if they ever get healthy).  I'm not sure we lose anything by allowing Suzuki to learn in the big leagues.  So what if he puts up stinker numbers, as Tejada and Chavez did when they were young?  Sure, those two guys are a lot more talented offensively than Suzuki is, but we were even more aggressive with Ramon Hernandez than we've been with Suzuki.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo!

and Ramon learned defensive catching and pitch calling at the MLB level.

Bring up Suzuki this season...   August, maybe?  

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching."- former A's pitcher Satchel Paige

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's awful

when we are looking for someone who could hit better than an OPS of .400!

Blah

by kaweahkaweah on May 7, 2007 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather see

Kendall, Melhuse, and Closser get the playing time this year than Suzuki.

None of them are going to hit much, with Kendall being the worst but not really by that much, and he is the best in there defensively. Suzuki is not going to solve any problems as far as this year is concerned.

by mikeA on May 6, 2007 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, Mike

if you want Closser, who do you drop from the 40 man roster?

by Zonis on May 7, 2007 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suzuki isn't on the

40 man roster either, so it would be the same problem. I wouldn't shed any tears about dropping Brown though.

by mikeA on May 7, 2007 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you wouldn't shed any tears??

moneyball will never be the same if we cut brown.  it might even delay the publication of moneyball II.

sure he'll never be more than a backup catcher, but he could be our fat backup catcher for a year or two.  don't be a JeBroH8R.

anyone have details on his injury?

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by xbhaskarx on May 7, 2007 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MiLew

is scrapping Moneyball II in favor of "Excitingball," about the Rays. And we don't need Brown now that we have Cust. He's just as fat and his defense is even worse.

by mikeA on May 7, 2007 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn it.

I was looking forward to MoneyBall II: The Wraith of Milo.

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by DMOAS on May 7, 2007 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hamstring

Not sure when he'll be back.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 7, 2007 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the very least

Bat him no higher than 8th until he shows a lot more capability than he is right now.

by Bleeding the Green and Gold on May 6, 2007 4:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kendall and Crosby

should always fill out the 8/9 spots when they're playing.

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by rebus on May 6, 2007 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think trading Kendall would be ideal...

...But what can you get for him?

I think the best option then would be not to rush Suzuki but call up Closser.  Closser has shown he can hit in the minors but he hasn't in the majors.  If we're giving guys like Cust a chance (albeit because of injuries), Closser deserves one too.  I think with a starting job he could put up Damian Miller type numbers.  

As for a trade, Salty would be awesome but the asking price would be something like Harden.  Maybe we could lower expectations to Blanton but it still is a lot to trade only to block Zooks.  What about trading for another struggling catcher currently sporting a .195/.220/.286, 30K line?  David Ross is a personal favorite and he's struggling for the Reds.      

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by vignette17 on May 6, 2007 4:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine that Kendall's contract

is worth more than zero to anyone.  Any trade would have to be part of a salary dump.

In other words, if any team would assume the contract for nothing, I think we'd gladly give it away.

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by iglew on May 7, 2007 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot the key word in your analysis

Gritty.

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by baseb3383 on May 6, 2007 6:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jason Kendall's hitting = tired act
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by EastCoastA on May 6, 2007 6:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kendall on the juice??

I never paid attention to kendall when he was on Pitt. Was he jacked back then or what? I mean, how does someone lose that much power?

Someone needs to tell Kendall to stop trying to just make contact. He should take some lessons from Crosby! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

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by capper3 on May 6, 2007 7:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno.
Wondering if Kendall has lost his power is kind of like wondering if Phyllis Diller has lost her looks.
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by Nico on May 6, 2007 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amazingly...

He once slugged .511 in 78 games, the year he sustained the gruesome ankle injury.  He topped 10 home runs three times, too.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know--the guy I saw,
on paper, that we had acquired and the guy I watched in Phoenix and Oakland in March/April 2005: Not the same guy.
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by Nico on May 6, 2007 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought it was Human Grit Hormone
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by monkeyball on May 6, 2007 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs to do the hitting analysis

I saw done on Alex Rodriguez, on Jason Kendall.  Something is really wrong with something and his swing.  Bat speed? Pitch selection?

Great analysis on Rodriguez.  He's hitting a ton all because of a slight change to his weight shift to the front leg.

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by One won lost won on May 6, 2007 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And indeed I wonder how that happened.

Oh, if Phyllis Diller pin-ups could talk . . .

by Ray of Lite on May 6, 2007 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phyllis Diller ain't a jeans creamer,

but if her picture's all you got in a foxhole, what are you gonna do?

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by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was also seriously injured

and changed his batting style because of it.

by OaklandSi on May 6, 2007 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After an injury like that

it's pretty amazing he can still catch, much less catch staggering amounts of games.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 6, 2007 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he also have some

serious wrist injury that affects his power?

by Bleeding the Green and Gold on May 6, 2007 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall is the type

to be too "gritty" or stupid to take himself out of the game if he's injured.  For all we know he could still be hurt and willing to "tough it out" so that he doesn't go to the DL and make himself bored.  I could easily see Kendall to do something that selfish and willing to sacrifice the well being of the team just so he can play.  Based on the comments he's made about taking time off so that Melhuse and get some playing time, and maybe I'm reading into them too much because he's my least favorite A of all time, but I just wouldn't put it past him.

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by DMOAS on May 6, 2007 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My friend Will

is a die hard Pirates fan, and he always gets mad at me when I say Kendall sucks.

The point to this, though, is that he's been generous enough on more than one occasion to tell me of how Kendall had a wrist or hand injury or some such thing a long while back which completely, overwhelmingly sapped the little power he had.

So, yes, this is exactly what it was.

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by walk off bunt on May 7, 2007 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may well have
If that's the case, retirement is the only solution, because he can no longer hit better than Neifi Perez.
So it goes.

by jeepers on May 7, 2007 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree
Kendall at this point is a detriment to an offense. I fully believe, and I'd like to be wrong because I think we'll continue to play him, that he's lost all ability to hit on a major league level. I don't believe there's anything left in the tank.

He just can't even get lift on the ball, can't even punch it to the outfield. And even if he could, the outfield plays him so shallow that what few bleeders he could get to drop are being caught now. He simply doesn't have an offensive game outside of extremely well (see: lucky) placed ground balls and bloops. He can barely even walk now because pitchers, even the worst of them, can quite literally pitch directly to contact, knowing they're just about guaranteed an out.

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by walk off bunt on May 7, 2007 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I so sick of hearing how good

a game caller Kendall is used as an excuse for giving him playing time.  He can just as easily spend time calling games from the bench with anyone else behind the plate.  He hardly ever goes to the mound to talk, so if that's necessary he can replace our pitching coach's visit.  As for the rest of the team and moral?  These guys get paid way too much to have a right to complain.  If anything, it sends the message to the rest of the lineup to (s)hit or get out the (litter) box.  

Is Suzuki ready?  Probably not.  I'd like to see him up and get some on the job training later in the year as a back up.  For the rest of the season I'd like to see Melhuse or Back up of your choice getting 50% of the playing time.  Kendall shouldn't play more than 4/5 games a week, if that.  If he starts doing more than slapping meek singles into a deep infielded outfield, then you can start giving him more playing time.  Otherwise, he shouldn't be in there.

Yes, Kendall isn't the reason our offense sucks right now.  It's a team effort only in part a result of injuries.  We need to upgrade in several places.  BUT, you need to start somewhere.  Somewhere should be in the weakest and most obvious part of the lineup, no?

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by DMOAS on May 6, 2007 7:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Loathe as I am to defend Kendall,
I have to take issue with part of that. You can only call the game as the in-game catcher--it happens in real time (plus the catcher often watches the hitter for clues) and no pitcher would agree that anyone but the in-game catcher can call the game and work with the pitcher.

I feel that for this part of the game Kendall deserves due credit. He just needs to slug better than .180 not to completely offset this legitimate strength.

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by Nico on May 6, 2007 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Managers

frequently call games to take the pressure off their catcher and to control the game.  Is it ideal?  Probably not.  Is it going to hurt our pitching significantly?  While you and I can make opposing arguments, I don't think it's so clear one way or the other.  I think Kendalls game calling is overrated. And while I'm very clearly underrating it, I don't deny it's there, but from what I've seen of him over the last 2.5 years, it's just not worth it.

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by DMOAS on May 6, 2007 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure we even disagree--
I'm not saying that he's worth it, just that his game-calling is a legitimate strength in an area of some import. However, it was of more import when Haren, Blanton et al were 1st-2nd year pitchers. Kendall would probably still have been somewhat useful as a .180-slugging catcher in 2005, but he sure isn't useful as one right now.
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by Nico on May 6, 2007 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with that.

I can especially view the value of a .180-slugging catcher with his game-calling skills as a backup catcher later in the season for a rookie catcher.  The whole Kendall has a mlb starter thing though has gotten old, fast.  I doubt there's another team in the majors who would give him the playing time he's received with us.

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by DMOAS on May 6, 2007 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the way the A's
should play it with Suzuki is the way they're probably playing it (because it's how they approach their young pitchers), which is to call him up when he's ready for the show. If he needs more AAA seasoning, better to let him develop at his pace; if he's ready, no reason to let Melhuse block him--as for Kendall blocking him, the salary issue makes it unlikely the A's will release Kendall or relegate him to a back-up role. If ready, Suzuki can take over Spring, 2008 and we can live with Kendall another 4.5 months. Maybe.
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by Nico on May 6, 2007 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Suzuki

up early for the same reasons you don't.  I think if he's ready or near to towards the end of the season late July/August, I'd like to see him get some time behind Kendall.  Definitely as a September call-up on even if only as a 3rd or 4th tier when Sac's season is over.  In the meantime, because of the salary issue, Kendall for better or more likely worse he's our starter.  That doesn't mean he's earned the right to be the ironman.  At best he should be playing 4 to 5 games a week.  Perferrably no more than 3, but I know that's wishful thinking.  If Melhuse is our best alternate option to take the other games, so be it.  At least he'll bring more power to the lineup when he's in.

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by DMOAS on May 6, 2007 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree 100%
"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on May 6, 2007 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree 100%
and I'm sure Suzuki will be among the September callups if he isn't up sooner. Regarding Melhuse, I'm in the camp that believes he's a better hitter than his career numbers show--that his number suffer from lack of activity. A typical Melhuse game has him whiffing his first AB, and cracking a double his third AB. I think he's actually a pretty decent hitter with an excellent throwing arm and some (gasp) power, who could be used a bit more to everyone's benefit.
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by Nico on May 6, 2007 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but will Melhuse

use his face to block the plate?

Didn't think so!

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 6, 2007 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Melhuse

It's unfair to evaluate his last 2 years.  3 years ago he put up solid numbers when he was getting playing time.  He's no allstar and no one here would suggest it, but he'd at least be an average hitter with some pop.  Today I actually thought he'd succeed in that second at bat because you're right, he tends to suck that first AB then adjust and roll.

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by DMOAS on May 6, 2007 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melhuse...
might just give more on offense than the club loses by having him on defense...

But I still think that only merits him getting 1-2 starts a week, and maybe an occasional start as a DH and some occasional garbage innings at 3rd base during blowouts...

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by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with this game-calling argument

Is what kind of statistical analysis backs this up?  Either way you go, you can never be wrong.  I could say that 99% of a pitcher's success is self-determined (which is actually what I believe) and I could support my point with some conjecture, but there is no way you can really make a case either way.  It cannot be quantified.  While I can believe in some things that cannot be quantified or logically determined, it takes a leap of faith.  Unfortunately, Kendall is not omnipotent.

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by baseb3383 on May 6, 2007 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suzuki should play regularly this season

in Sacramento, then be a September callup.

I'm with you on having the backup catcher start at least once a week and maybe more. Despite Kendall's whining he actually hits a bit better after not starting a game.

by OaklandSi on May 6, 2007 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does he hit well enough to merit starting

after sitting out period?  I doubt it.

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by baseb3383 on May 6, 2007 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how he'd do this year

I just noticed that he hit with a bit more force in the past few years after sitting out a game. I think it's worth a try. It certainly doesn't make sense to let him start every single game.

by OaklandSi on May 6, 2007 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miller, Zaun, Hernandez

I'd take any of them back ... Yes, Kendall calls a good game, but a lot of catchers call a good game.  I guess we're stuck with the guy until the end of the year.

The interesting thing for me is that, never having seen Kendall in the National League, it's hard to imagine that the guy could ever hit.  He's just so awful up there.  He got "hot" the second half of last year, but I've never seen a player hit the ball so softly, so consistently.  Mark Belanger was close, but Kendall is in a league of his own.  Indeed, because he hits the ball so softly, outfielders now play about 100 feet behind infielders, making those Kendall bleeders out, whereas last year they were hits.

Another interesting thing is Beane judgment on the big contracts.  Obviously there wasn't much he could do about Giambi, and not signing him turned out to be a huge plus for this ballclub.  But not signing Miggy was clearly a disaster, especially since that money went for the I'm-freaked-with-RISP Chavvy.  Not signing Mulder was huge (although after his final two months in Oakland, did anyone really want to give him a big contract?  I don't give Beane much credit for moving him, although the guys they got - wow! that's clearly a Billy special), the best trade of the Beane era, but for Hudson the A's got absolutely zero.  You can say Hudson hasn't done much, but it doesn't matter - he was a very valuable guy for whom Beane got a handful of, well, beans.  Then there's the re-emergence of Jermaine Dye, etc.  On balance you'd have to say that Beane gets the little things, the little moves pretty much pretty consistently right ... but the big contracts, including signing Kendall and Chavvy, have been pretty negative.

Bottom line for me is that Kendall just drives me nuts with the bat.  I'm OK with him sucking at the plate in the first six innings, but I'd really like to see the A's pinch hit for him in every late inning meaningful situation.  Enough is enough.

by solotar on May 6, 2007 9:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You may have touched on the reason

Kendall is hitting so poorly: no power, so the outfielders are taking away hits.  They can play in, and go back to the warning track if Kendall really "unloads".

One double all year!  Incredibly poor.

Getting Cust and Snelling will really pay off IMHO.

"- J. Duchscherer relieved J. Duchscherer" per Yahoo! Sports Box Score

by One won lost won on May 6, 2007 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

quite a few fans noticed this

during his first season with the A's in 2005

by OaklandSi on May 8, 2007 5:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hudson doing nothing?

Hudson is having a great year in Atlanta (3-1 1.70) and will most likely prove to be a regular National League All-Star.  Beane basically gave him away for NOTHING-  that I will never forget.

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by greenmachine on May 7, 2007 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zaun?

I don't think we ever had him.  Maybe you're thinking of Greg Myers?

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by iglew on May 7, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to disrespect anyone's sensibilities

so I will make the following statement as follows:

XXXX Miguel Tejada!  He can stick it where the sun don't shine!  He's a XXXXing choker who cares more about his bullXXXX consecutive games streak then he does about playing healthy at 100%.

He owes every XXXXing thing he ever had to the Athletics, who put shoes on his XXXXing feet when he had none and food his his XXXXing family's mouth when they had none.  And how was their (admittedly self-interested) generosity repaid?  With XXXXing hardball negotiating tactics that all but ensured he'd leave as a free agent.  It wasn't an either/or between Chavez and Tejada.  It was Chavvy or nothing!  Tejada wouldn't have stayed, even for the same money the Orioles paid him...

I hope that Mr. Tejada and all of his choke-XXX Oriole teammates have another nice XXXXing 74-88 season in front of 13 Xing thousand people in their nice little XXXXing ballpark, while our Oakland Athletics contend all the way through September and hopefully beyond, despite Mr. Chavez swinging at bad pitches with XXXXing RISP!

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by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you know that Tejada wouldn't have

stayed, how?

How did he repay the A's "generosity"? According to BPro, by putting up 26.7 wins above replacement over his tenure with the A's.

Also, did the A's in their "generosity" feed Tejada and his family when he was a child? Did the A's in their "generosity" give a <censored> about Tejada when he wasn't their property? Is the A's "generosity" responsible for Tejada's talent? His ability?

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on May 7, 2007 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm amazed, simply amazed

That of all people, it's those of this site, that don't want to rush Kurt Suzuki.

These are the same people that have repeatedly called for Daric Barton's promotion every time he has a slight hot streak, right?

I mean, Suzuki isn't particularly ready, no, but I'd be shocked if he came up and couldn't OBP at around .320, which would be an infinitely better option than continuing to count on anything from Kendall. He is NOT guaranteed to get better at all. What we have happening in front of our eyes is a catcher who has played for a long time, has completely lost his power, and is now completely losing his ability to hit for contact. This happens to catchers, they break down.

Suzuki could come up, hit .250/.320/.320, and give us at least some semblance of offensive adequacy out of the catcher position.

He's not the type of prospect you really worry about rushing. He's been consistent at every level, came from college (so he's older, and he has that experience), doesn't have the kind of upside you worry about squandering (like, with, say, Barton), and possesses a skill set that translates relatively quickly to the majors. (Average/Walks/No Power)

Maybe he's not the best option, but until Beane goes out there and grabs somebody else, which, of course, is quite possible, I'd argue Suzuki is the best of in house options.

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by walk off bunt on May 7, 2007 12:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

who is calling for barton's promotion?

please name a few AN regulars who have done so, because i can't think of any.

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by xbhaskarx on May 7, 2007 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now?

Nobody. Absolutely nobody. Because he's not hitting well in AAA. But if you want, I'll be happy to dig up threads in the past where he's been posed and promoted as a solution.

It may not be AN regulars, or prominent members, I should say. But I'm confident it's been tossed around quite a bit.

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by walk off bunt on May 7, 2007 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

barton hit another home run today

that's two in the last four games.  maybe HE should replace kendall.

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by xbhaskarx on May 7, 2007 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have.

I wanted him to make the team out of spring training at 1B.  I'm happy with the current youth movement, and if the A's want to extend it, it's fine by me.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 7, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a youth movement
is what they have in places like tampa bay, arizona, colorado, florida, etc.  you need mlb-ready youth to have a youth movement.  street, swish, blanton, etc. were all ready.

barton and suzuki are not ready to play in the major leagues this year. chris b young is.  travis buck is.  

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by xbhaskarx on May 7, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems to me the main reason to keep Suzuki in AAA

has nothing to do with Kendall.  If the A's actually decide that Kendall's offense is just too crappy to keep playing him why rush Suzuki when Melhuse could give you the same "semblance of offensive adequacy" that you are seeking?

You say Suzuki could be a 250/320/320 guy -- well Melhuse could almost certainly match that if given playing time (maybe a bit less OBP and a bit more slugging -- more of a 240/290/400 -- but similar if not slightly better OPS).  

To me it is not a question of calling up Suzuki or not -- seems he is better served by not being rushed.  It is more a question of whether or not we are fed up with Kendall's lack of offense.  If so, Melhuse could provide the same short term offense as Suzuki and we could call up Closser to back him up if Kendall cannot handle being back up or even splitting time.

by AsFanInLA on May 7, 2007 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The key is...

Make sure Suzuki's not promoted too early, so that if he catches on right away, he won't be a super-2 a couple years down the road and cost us $3-7 million more over the life of his Athletics career

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by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on May 7, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been game over for a while

If Kendall weren't making as much money as he does, he would have been a backup/AAA catcher two years ago.  It's a shame really, since the cost is sunk, that players get to continue to hurt their teams into the future by actually PLAYING through bad contracts, much less hampering their teams financially.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on May 7, 2007 6:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, you mean the Diamondbacks?

Did not drop Russ Ortiz?

The Diamondbacks gave him his release, and he actually pitched for the Giants against the Diamondbacks, and the Diamondbacks are currently, right now, paying him salary!

And, before that Ortiz pitched for the Orioles and the Diamondbacks paid him a salary.

There is no requirement for a team to keep a player on the roster even if they are paying his salary.

If Kendall were a "team player" he'd let the A's release him and not sign with another team.

"- J. Duchscherer relieved J. Duchscherer" per Yahoo! Sports Box Score

by One won lost won on May 7, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Early: Just Look at the WhiteSox

Konerko - hitting .196
Crede - hitting .210
Dye - hitting .219
Pierzynski - hitting .227
Cintron - hitting .143
Iguchi - hitting .229
Uribe - hitting .224
Erstad - slugger in the lineup hitting .267  

Does anybody in his right mind, seriously think the Sox are going to continue hitting this poorly the rest of the season?  NO, and Kendall isn't either.  But I am concerned about the lack of authority or punch in his ABs this year, have wondered if Jason is hurt, ..

.. which is why I voted for Option 2 above - if he hasn't improved by the time Piazza returns, I would agree the A's may need to do something because we need offense out of the catching position regardless of how well a game Jason calls.

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 7, 2007 10:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you're confusing AN with a site where

the voice of reason means something.  ;-)

the difference between Chavy and deer in the headlights? (after Nico)

by LAXile on May 7, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall

has pretty much hit the same the last 2 years as he has this year.  The only difference is that more hits fell in.  These days, the defense is covering the holes he used to hit through.  He's an old, worn down catcher.  He's not going to improve much.

Free of Elderberry smell since 12:20PM 4/19/07

by DMOAS on May 7, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

this is an excellent diary, jeepers.

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 7, 2007 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You never say that about my diaries!

:(

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 7, 2007 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's b/c jeepers doesn't write yours
You don't promise a fat girl doughnuts and don't deliver. ~ Jennifer @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 7, 2007 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point
Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 8, 2007 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Kendall

What has become of this guy, I'm always the first guy to come to his defense mainly because he has durability, adequate defensive skills, and a want to go out onto the field. But now he's become a 'rally killer' if you want to call him that, an easy catcher to steal on, and below average hitting at the major leaque level and if someone doesn't give him some sort of pep talk on how to hit then we'll be seeing some platooning at the catcher position.

"Talk about impressive. My point is this: Break's over."- Josiah Bartlet

by doublehustle22 on May 7, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

At the very least...

I'd like to see a trial run of parking Kendall on the bench 2-3 days a week and giving Melhuse more starts.  I don't care how much Jason's getting paid or how much he's going to growl & spit about it, he truly sucks right now.

"Don't your coworkers find a baby on your head to be kind of weird?" ~ salb918

by Poppy on May 7, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How can Kendall argue

with ONE DOUBLE IN 113 at-bats??!!!

That is enough for any manager, even the most spineless, to say to a player, "No hitting, no playing", and sit him on the bench for periods until he improves!!

No question.

"- J. Duchscherer relieved J. Duchscherer" per Yahoo! Sports Box Score

by One won lost won on May 7, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can he?

He can't, you got it.  But I bet he would anyway.

"Don't your coworkers find a baby on your head to be kind of weird?" ~ salb918

by Poppy on May 7, 2007 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just have to add this story...

During the Yankees series, I got into a rather heated argument with some A's fans about the relative merits of Jason Kendall. Apparently, I was complaining a little too loudly about how much he sucked.

Anyway, we can debate the legitimacy of my chosen outlet of frustration (many would argue that you should never bad mouth your players at home), but I digress.

So, I was just amazed at how passionately they defended one Jason Kendall. They went so far as to ask, "Who else would you rather have?" As if there could possibly be anyone better than Kendall. I suggested that the opposing catcher that day (Jorge Posada) would be a great place to start, but that I would literally take any catcher in the league over Kendall. That would certainly include Adam Melhuse.

This whole business about Kendall's defense and his ability to call games are complete rubbish. I'll give you league average defensively and maybe a top third in terms of calling games. But the fact that he is, without question, the worst offensive catcher in the game today far outweighs those minor pluses.

The Mark Kotsay signing was one of the first signs that this team is not as statistically minded as many of us thought. The Tim Hudson trade, yet another. Not re-signing Miggy; dumping clubhouse-cancers like Rhodes and Redmond; actually using Chris Singleton in center; the list goes on. Jason Kendall is simply the starkest example ... and the reason to really worry.

If stats were so valued, Kendall would have been benched two seasons ago. And it's why I'm so worried that the light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming train.

by FreeSanJose on May 7, 2007 3:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They don't care about stats above all else

I think that Kotsay and Kendall were acquired with
Beane's knowledge of the fact that the rest of the team was going to be very young for a while.

You can't have a team of all 22-24 year olds. Any of you who live in Walnut Creek and have ever seen Harden/Crosby/etc. out on the town know what I'm talking about.

A team that is ENTIRELY filled with good-looking, wealthy, 22-24 year-olds will do what other young men that age do when they have the opportunity - they'll go out to much, they'll occasionally come to games hung over, their work ethic will suffer, and they won't have good influences around them. Worse yet, they'll have no older player influence to keep that behavior in check. (And the manager and GM alone can't stop that stuff).

I'm not saying these young guys needed parents. But Beane knew how young this team would be. And he knew that a VERY good influence on them would be two guys who, by all accounts, have excellent work ethic, good character, and could provide a veteran role model.

Whether you want to believe it or not, Swisher/Harden/Crosby/Blanton/etc. probably needed that. And certainly, Kendall and Kotsay have provided it.

It's unfortunate that they've underperformed their contracts. But perhaps they've had some value even beyond their stats, or in Kendall's case, his defense.

You have to figure that Beane, as a former player who knew the life that a 22 year old has in MLB, at least considered those variables.

"Out of tact, I will not hold forth on your misuse of quotation marks, confusing run-on sentences, and strange analogies when the time comes." -MikeA

by notsellingjeans on May 7, 2007 5:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I totally agree, but...

I just hope we haven't weighed ourselves down too much with these two guys. And at this point, I don't know what they're providing by playing everyday (in Kendall's case) and not being healthy (in Kotsay's). At the very least, it doesn't hurt to treat these guys like over-the-hill veterans and play them accordingly. Kendall simply doesn't deserve to play more than four times a week and once Kotsay comes back, he should only be out there 4-5 days a week too. In Kotsay's case, it will also help keep him healthy enough for the team to take advantage of his plus defense. In Kendall's case, hopefully it will keep him from becoming a cancer and the A's can extricate themselves from his vice-like grip next year.

by FreeSanJose on May 7, 2007 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no Kendall apologist, but

his BABIP right now is .190. He is hitting fewer groundballs: 43.6%, whereas his average over the last 3 seasons was 50%.

It is possible that the .190 BABIP means that he has become an awful hitter who is hitting weakly at fielders, of course.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on May 8, 2007 12:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just Noticed This in SF Chronicle

Kendall looking for light at tunnel's end

To state the obvious, Jason Kendall is in a massive slump.

The catcher, who has played in 27 of the A's 30 games, is batting .170 with seven RBIs and, after a good start throwing out baserunners, he's having a tough time in that area as well. Opponents have been successful in their past 20 stolen-base attempts against him.

Kendall's .179 slugging percentage is the lowest in the majors and he hasn't had an extra-base hit over the past 25 games and 98 at-bats, the longest such streak of his career. He doubled in the second game of the season, at Seattle, and has picked up only singles since then.

"It's definitely not fun, but I've been here before,'' said Kendall, who had some rough stretches in 2005, his first season with the A's. "We've got five months left. It's more frustrating because of all the injuries we have, you want to contribute. But it's part of the game. It can definitely humble you.

"I don't feel bad (at the plate) at all. It's just a funk. I've got myself in a hole, and I've got to get back out.''

Batting coach Ty Van Burkleo said he has seen some good signs from Kendall recently and noted that he's had several lineouts his past few games.

"It gets frustrating for both of us,'' Van Burkleo said. "But both of us want him to get back on track. But I don't think he could have his numbers right now without some bad luck. He can't let that get into his head.''

Backup Adam Melhuse played well Sunday, throwing out a runner and providing a key two-out single that drove in two runs in a two-run victory. Kendall is noted for his high game count -- he's the first major-leaguer to catch 140 games or more in eight seasons -- but if he continues to struggle, it's conceivable that Melhuse might get more time.

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 8, 2007 7:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love that...

'Several' lineouts consider a tough run for Kendall. Of course, Van Burkleo fails to mention they were soft liners. Kendall is such a mess, why can't anyone involved with the A's admit this?

by FreeSanJose on May 8, 2007 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoping that ..

.. Jason can at least get going enough to contribute a little at the bottom of the lineup - some on-base percentage and some RBIs - this is definitely his worst (slowest) start offensively since he has been with the A's.  :(

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 8, 2007 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, it's frustrating

Kendall at his best is a .250 hitter at this point with no gap power.  He even strikes out more than he used to.  He's not a great defensive catcher because he can't throw runners out.  With his injuries, I think he is done at the major league level.  I feel bad for the guy because he was in fact very talented with Pittsburgh but he is just a shadow of himself.

"Look at this, OK? I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy."

by baseb3383 on May 8, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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