Athletics Nation: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
New Blog: The Boxing Bulletin for Boxing Fans!

Desperately Seeking Closure

Moneyball theory says that the closer position is basically interchangeable. For years, whether it was Billy Taylor, Jason Isringhausen, Billy Koch or Keith Foulke, the pitcher given the task to close out the 9th inning of games for Oakland didn't really seem to belabor the issue. Then came Arthur Rhodes. Up next? Octavio Dotel. I don't think I need to elaborate much more there for this crowd how that went...

The arrival of Huston Street in 2005 seemed to put the A's back in a happy place with the closer position. Despite youthful looks much more appropriate for a paperboy than a major league reliever, Street has been Mr. Reliable for the A's for two full years over the last three seasons. And now, a mere two games after we learned he too joined the ever-expanding ranks of the A's wounded, we've seen two blown saves, including tonight's disaster, which took what would have been the continuation of a magical story line involving Jack Cust and his knack for dramatic home runs, and turned it into a collective wailing and gnashing of teeth over how the A's can ever win again if the starter doesn't toss a complete game.

Despite giving up 2 runs in the first, Joe Blanton pitched masterfully tonight, at one point putting away 19 straight Kansas City batters. While he held serve, the A's figured out how to make contact with the ball, and made it a 2-2 ballgame. In the 8th, up strode Jack Cust, who with one musclebound swing, gave the A's the lead for all too brief a moment. His crown was stolen and tossed to the ground by Kiko Calero, victimized first by John Buck, and later by virtual unknown Ryan Shealy, who tapped in the winning run.

So what does Geren do with the bullpen so long as Street is out? With Connor Robertson up from AAA Sacramento, awaiting work in the A's bullpen, I couldn't figure out a better time than tonight to have gotten him some work. The Royals aren't exactly Murderer's Row, and the partially-filled Coliseum on a Wednesday night isn't exactly the most overwhelming atmosphere for a rookie making his big league debut. As far as I'm concerned, the time to throw Robertson into the mix was tonight, and it didn't happen. Too bad for us.

0 recs  |  Comment 124 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

Was Robertson even warming up in the bullpen? We desperately needed a closer, and we pulled up Connor. Use him, Geren! He's got to be better than the options we have right now.

by danmerqury on May 16, 2007 10:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Connor will get his chance tomorrow ..

.. He certainly couldn't have done much worse than Calero did ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 16, 2007 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

he was warming up

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on May 16, 2007 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also the last SB was on Calero and not Kendall

.. Kendall made a strong accurate throw but the runner had gotten just too good a jump off the pitcher ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 16, 2007 10:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so?

Just got back from the game and I seem to recall it was a ball in the dirt that got away from JK and bounced out in front of the plate...maybe I'm wrong?...Kendall still almost got German.

I haven't really followed the club much so far this month, so I've missed out on the whole "Jack Cust is superhuman" thing. Despite the loss it was great to see Blanton and the A's battle back and the big shot by Cust makes me think that when this team gets healthy they will be, well, a Force.

by Force on May 16, 2007 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope the TV replay showed that Kendall

.. made a strong accurate throw but German had a monstrous jump - Fosse noted that on the TV replay, Kendall had no chance to throw German out ..

Play-by-Play:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore...

Possibly you might be thinking of the inning before when Grudzielanek got to second on a wild pitch ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 16, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya his 22+ strait other strong accurate throws

that didn't get ONE out were the pitchers fault too. dam our pitchers

by Hawaii FO on May 17, 2007 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're dead WRONG with this post

Obviously you didn't watch the TV replay last night.  Watch the darn game before making stupid posts like this ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 17, 2007 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point,

if we continue to get lights-out pitching from the starters, I say let them finish the damn game. I have no confidence in Calero right now. He needs to be thrown out with the medical waste.

Remember 2 vote early and often for your Oakland A's to this yr's AS game in SF.

by sf drift king on May 16, 2007 10:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't go to that extent

but it's obvious that Calero is having issues throwing his slider consistently and he's a one-pitch pitcher.  And Duke is also having an issue with his cutter.  Our best relievers are having issues with their best pitches...not a good recipe for winning.  

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 16, 2007 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blanton still had nasty stuff in the eighth

he would have gotten the win for us.

Why did we feel the need to pitch to buck after knowing hit ability to burn our pitchers?

With the Giants coming to town, I can't see us holding up when we can't against KC.

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on May 16, 2007 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

it's just so very clear that none of the other guys in the pen are solid closers.  Especially if Duke isn't healthy.

Calero hasn't really been remarkable this year either.  It's frustrating to let a game like this slip through our fingers.

They should try Robertson.

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 16, 2007 10:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

huston wasn't exactly

Mister Automatic last year, as I recall. The difference this season seems to be with the supporting cast, at least to this point.

by skutch on May 16, 2007 10:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we should all start praying tonight

that huston only misses 15 days.

"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 10:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

a's relievers are not providing relief

the problem is that when they get ahead or to a 2 strike count, they can't finish of the hitter.  per blez's point, our relievers are struggling with their best pitches.

therefore, they start to pick at the edges and put themselves in hitters' counts.  

either way, the results are disastrous.

by inbillywetrust on May 16, 2007 10:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

when is Harden expected back?
"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 10:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So frustrating

I hope someone in the bullpen figures out how to pitch soon. And I agree we should give Robertson (not to mention DiNardo) a chance... what do we have to lose?!? The guys we have now are sucking already!

If we lose games like this to the Royals, I don't want to see what happens when we face teams known for good hitting. :(

Hopefully something will click soon, either hitting or the bullpen. Thank GOD our starters are still so amazing. {knock on wood}

"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on May 16, 2007 10:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Go ahead and knock Mike Wood

he's not done much for Texas.

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA, and avoid the unnecessary headscratching!

by One won lost won on May 16, 2007 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhhh

we have Dallas Braden pitching tomorrow. My only hope is that he is facing a terrible KC team.

Remember 2 vote early and often for your Oakland A's to this yr's AS game in SF.

by sf drift king on May 17, 2007 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, forget the
"Blanton should have stayed in" stuff. We could afford to lose this game more than we could afford to lose Blanton, and you cannot fault a manager for taking a pitcher out when he's at 118 pitches.

As for Robertson, come on folks. A guy making his major league debut is a better bet to close out a one-run game in the 9th than Calero? That's just deifying a guy because he's never actually had the chance to pitch badly in front of you. Yet.

Geren is making perfectly good decisions and it doesn't matter because there are no good decisions to be made. None of these guys has any business pitching in the 9th inning of a save situation.

Either Beane needs to go find a serviceable closer, or Duke needs to get well in a hurry, or we need to budget, emotionally, for a bunch of these outcomes in the coming weeks.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 16, 2007 10:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not calling for Blanton to have gone 9

My thinking is you give Robertson a chance in the 9th, not that I think he is a deity. Hindsight is 20-20 of course. Calero would have gotten my vote last year for sure, but the contrast between how good Blanton was vs. how "ungood" everybody else was is certainly stark.

More than just ANtics: http://www.louisgray.com/live/

by louismg on May 16, 2007 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure that at some point,
Geren will throw Robertson into a save situation for his debut if he has to, but that he's hoping to give him at least one "get your feet wet" outing in a slightly less crucial setting. Trouble is, in the first two games Street and Duke have both been out, what do you know? Tight games with save situations.

But with Calero available--and no matter how many sliders he has hung this year, he is still a veteran with a track record of success--I totally support Geren going to Calero over Robertson. I would have done the same thing--and not been surprised when Calero coughed it up.

But no way am I going to throw Robertson into the fire like that until I've exhausted my other options. Which is, unfortunately, happening damn fast. Maybe Robertson gets the save tomorrow; I hope so, because it means we won.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 16, 2007 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMHO if Duke still not ready tomorrow ..

.. definitely Robertson should get his chance .. and oh btw, what's up with Bradley?  Why wasn't he playing today?  Is he hurt too?  :(

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 16, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, what's the book on Robertson?

Any of the KC batters ever face him?  Have they seen "Mr Slider-slider-sorta-slider"??

If Robertson's not ready, he shouldn't be up in MLB.  If he's used to closing...AAA or not, I vote "He's a closer, let him close".  This isn't exactly Yankee Stadium.

Yes, a pitcher that no one on your club has seen has a very good chance of closing you.  Like the KC closer (a rookie).

All in my HO.

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA, and avoid the unnecessary headscratching!

by One won lost won on May 16, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Robertson wasn't closing full time in AAA

He closed a game or two, but he'd also come in in the 5th inning on occasion.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even STREET wasn't
thrown right into save situations. And nobody on the A's is particularly claiming that Robertson is ready for the big leagues; everyone else just happens to be dead. And ready for the big leagues is very different from ready to close games in the big leagues.

If Robertson had been put in and blown the game, I think we'd have a legitimate beef with Geren. As is, the beef is with Calero--why so many sliders when that's all every hitter is looking for? But remember, guys right now aren't stepping up a slot, they're stepping up TWO slots. Calero is our THIRD righty out of the pen, Witasick our FOURTH. Robertson is our fifth. Sadly, we're down to our fifth righty, so maybe tomorrow's Connor's "lucky" day.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 16, 2007 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Calero gets slider happy at the exspense of a fastball that will get big league hitters out.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and walking people is the worst ..

.. possible thing you can do - throw strikes! :)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 16, 2007 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Street came up

you're right, everyone else was not dead.

That is why this situation is different.

In your own words, everyone is "dead".  Put in Robertson.

Buck opened in Seattle, in right field, opening day, his Mom in the stands plus 100 of his friends.

Did he have a better chance to muff a fielding chance than Robertson pitching poorly?  I'd say about 2x more.

Combine "everyone's dead" with "no book by KC batters on Robertson" and I think it makes excellent sense to put Robertson out there with Gordon (sub .200) leading off.

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA, and avoid the unnecessary headscratching!

by One won lost won on May 17, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a ridiculous comparison

There are 9 guys in the field trying to catch the ball. There is only one guy standing on top of the hill pitching. The pressure is on the pitcher every time he throws the ball, a fielder only has to worry if the ball is hit his way.

Geren's job is to put his players in the best possible position for them to win the game. To put a rookie in the position of having to close the 9th inning in his big league debut is practically setting him up for failure.

Folks have said just put him in there and if he fails oh well. It's OK because he's a rookie entitled to make some mistakes. And I'd agree with that sentiment in the 6th, 7th or 8th innings. But in the 9th inning, if the pitcher makes a mistake it often means his team loses right then and there. That's a whole different level of Hell for a rookie to endure.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 17, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry I don't agree with you
You have to consider the external elements.  Those matter.

Buck= Opening Day in Seattle, 40,000+ cheering AGAINST YOUR TEAM, you play for a minimum, a minimum of 27 batters, probably 25% more, and if during the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ... EVERY INNING, you are out in the field, you might, might, screw up, and everyone will remember for the rest of your life, "Bonehead Merkel", even if it's a tough chance (and bounces off your head for a home run).

Robertson= Home crowd, depleted bullpen, experienced catcher MAKING THE DECISIONS, the manager says, "Throw strikes, you're out there for ONE GUY.  Give up a home run, walk him, one-pitch out, I'll be out there. We'll bring in x-nay to face German. And then z-ray to face Buck.  Do what you've been doing at Sacto.  No worries."

Who has pressure? A pitcher for one batter? Or a guy who might might have a permanent image on a highlight reel?  Yes, if you pulled someone out of the stands and told them to pitch, or a position player even, it is pretty 'certain' they would fail.  But they brought Robertson up because they NEED him... If they cannot USE him (because it might permanently damage him) the Athletics don't NEED him.

Check out Joe Posnanski's www.thesoulofbaseball.blogspot

The guy is an excellent writer.  In one of his blog entries, he talks of a pitcher, Tony Cogan, the Royals had on their roster, a rookie out of Stanford.  On Opening Day at Yankee Stadium in 2001, the Royals needed a reliever with Yankees on base in the 7th inning of the game.  What better time to insert the rookie!  Yankee Stadium! Opening Day! Sold out rabid, noisy stadium. The rookie gives up a three-run home run to Posada....

...he never was the same pitcher.  Goes 0-4 the rest of the year, and OUT OF BASEBALL.

Yes, you can ruin someone, yes.  But really, as a manager, you simply have to think about what you're doing with regard to the external elements.
Cogan did not HAVE to go in during the 1st game of the season, at effin' Yankee Stadium!  Robertson starting an inning would have done better than Calero out there until he got a loss.

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA, and avoid the unnecessary headscratching!

by One won lost won on May 17, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beane needs to go find a serviceable closer...

.. if Huston is going to be out for anything more than the minimum .. we can survive the temporary loss of position players but the loss of an effective closure to games {i.e. not being able to hold leads} is what caused us to have a bad month of May last year ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 16, 2007 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if huston misses more then a month

I would make Harden the closer. Of course that all depends on when he comes off the DL

"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a thought...

maybe the A's could start scoring more runs!

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, and maybe the bullpen could

actually get people out.

"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that hasn't happened often

Instead of beating our head against the same brick wall, let's try another one!

Maybe the stones will be softer.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got it. maybe Jason Kendall could actually

throw someone out.

"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon

Now is not the time for fairy tales!

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well he did get an extra base hit today, but I

guess asking him to throw someone out is just being selfish.

"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, he had a double and 2 RBIs

and still we got no fairy tale ending.  More like a bad remake of Riske Business.

Watt Funk Staturist

by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 16, 2007 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't always work that way ..

.. Even the Yankees play plenty of tight games like this, Grover, as I'm sure you know {you're a pro} ...

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 16, 2007 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees don't have our starting pitching!

But the point remains, if the offense scored more runs the bullpen wouldn't be under so much pressure.

Look, its like Nico said, Geren is running out his 3rd or 4th best option to close games. That's going to bite anyone in the ass.

We can't ask any more from our starting pitching. The bullpen is hurting and the guys still standing are struggling. The only logical conclusion is to try and take some of the burden off their weary shoulders by some other means.

That pretty much leaves it to the offense to step up.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pressing won't work, if anything ..

.. it will make the offense less effective .. I really think that's what happened last year about this time, the offense started to press because of the unease with a RiverCats pen that couldn't hold leads .. and it just causes worse results because the best hitting occurs when the hitters are relaxed at the plate ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 16, 2007 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then the A's are fucked

And considering they're so beat up that they're playing with a 22 man roster we should just cover up as best we can and take the kicks. It'll get better, just probably not tomorrow.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No good decisions to be made

That's exactly it; sadly, if Duke were available but still without the sharp cutter, that could still be true...it'd just be harder to fault Geren for it.  If the pen's gonna survive (and the Will Carroll note of only 1 pitcher in his dBase ever coming back from irritated ulnar nerves in less than 2 months is chilling) it's gonna take a big shakeup.  New acquisition, Gaudin to pen, who knows.  But short of that close games are gonna be harrowing for some time to come.

BTW, I wasn't kidding in the game thread.  The Coli tonight had great wireless access for posting, but no radio feed in the bathrooms.  There's an ironic sad allegory in there somewhere.

Watt Funk Staturist

by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 16, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nico...

wake up and smell the coffee!  This bullpen ain't all that (you expected it to be)!  It's pretty crappy without Calero and Duke.  And, Calero isn't Calero and Duke is injured.

Let Connor pitch... that's what Beane put him on the fuckin' team to do.

I'm sick of Witasick.  I'm sick of Embree.  They are terrible.  They will alwasy be terrible.  We hae a shitty pen.

Try the friggin' new guy!

"When I got injured, I felt disrespected. Waaannnh!" - Mark Kotsay

by FoolshGame22 on May 17, 2007 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

* always ** have
"When I got injured, I felt disrespected. Waaannnh!" - Mark Kotsay

by FoolshGame22 on May 17, 2007 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

couldn't we have changed pitchers when it was

obvious to everyone that Kiko was tanking? Give up one run shame on Kiko. give up two with the same guy shame on Geren.

by Hawaii FO on May 17, 2007 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

deifying a guy?

(puts hand lettered, with magic marker, makeshift robertson jersey on to wear to to work)

subject to revision pending next issue

by ak_A on May 17, 2007 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night people were saying

"Oh, we should have left Calero in to close the game instead of letting Embree and Witasick pitch the 9th."

Tonight, those people got their wish and now they're saying Geren should have gone to a rookie who's never thrown a big league pitch.

So if Robertson gets a shot at closing tomorrow night and blows it, who are we going to call for next?

Going to Calero was the right call. Calero didn't get it done.

A's lost. Try again tomorrow.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 10:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Calero hasn't been getting it done

all season, so I understand why people don't like the move.

"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but Witasick and Embree
haven't been getting it done all career (certainly if you're talking about at a "8th/9th inning level), while Marshall and Robertson haven't been getting it done because they haven't made it as far as trying (i.e., no major league track record).

It's as if people are mad at Geren for not going to K-Rod OR Shields.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 16, 2007 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely understand that Geren is in a lose

lose situation. I don't blame him for bringing in Calero, but at the moment I don't feel any more confident with him closing then I would with Robertson closing.

"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Basically, I think the A's
are going to lose a bunch of late-inning games no matter what, and I think Geren is losing them in the correct order (with Robertson next to be in over his head). How sad is that!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 16, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

very sad. somehow I don't think

this is what Geren had in mind when he accepted this job.

"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still, a better fate for Geren

than Ron Washington's rookie manager gig.

Watt Funk Staturist

by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 16, 2007 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

poor Washington.
"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on May 16, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

vs. a guy (Robertson)

who hasn't ever faced a big league hitter in a game that mattered.

I think Robertson is going to do fine for the A's, I'm a huge fan of his, but he wasn't a closer last year in AA and he wasn't the designated closer in AAA this year. Let him get his feet wet in a few non-save innings, let him taste some success and then decide if he can do the job in the 9th.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.
Geren keeps putting the right 7th inning/AAA pitchers out there in the 9th inning and they keep failing. Go figure.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 16, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geren, grover and Nico...

all agree... that Geren has done the right thing with relief pitching.

Time for the Vulcan mind-meld to end, I think!  Put Connor in, please, pretty friggin' please!

"When I got injured, I felt disrespected. Waaannnh!" - Mark Kotsay

by FoolshGame22 on May 17, 2007 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pay up or shut up
Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 17, 2007 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe your idea will work tonite in final game ..

.. of the series - maybe we score enough runs not to need a flawless finish by the pen - we're facing a right-hander (Elarton) so maybe our offense can get to him - DJ can try to start another hitting streak and Cust can try to keep hitting homers. :)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 17, 2007 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOPs Correction: it's a day game...

.. but more offense is the right idea .. (Preview)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 17, 2007 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blowout

At this point in the season, I wouln't mind a blowout either way.  Every game seems to be a grind.  Every game is close, unless we blow the other team out.

It's a great quality to have, but come on already.  How many one-run games can this team play for an entire year????

When's the last time one of our relief pitcher pitched mop up duty while losing?  Last season?

by Colorado Fan on May 17, 2007 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, that's not true, grover...

I said go to Robertson last night... and, I said go to him tonight.

I'll be right until he loses a game.  So far, he hasn't.  ;-)

"When I got injured, I felt disrespected. Waaannnh!" - Mark Kotsay

by FoolshGame22 on May 17, 2007 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't fault that thinking

after all, SOME PEOPLE actually rise to the occasion!

What was the common thread to keeping Marshall, Buck, rookies, on a minor league roster?

"They showed us they aren't afraid."

I therefore think they feel that about Robertson.

Did the Giants keep Will Clark out of his first possible game in MLB, because the Opening Day Starter was Nolan Ryan?  I hear Ryan even hits guys in Fantasy Camp now, with a 90+mph fastball, if a guy tries to bunt on him.

No, instead of "easing Clark in", he went up and hit a HR in his first AB in the majors!

Some guys do want it.

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA, and avoid the unnecessary headscratching!

by One won lost won on May 17, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan plunking guys in fantasy camp...

for trying to bunt on him is hilarious. I wonder if the Rocket will throwing broken bat pieces at guys in the same sitch.

"AN: We breathe through our noses." -mikeA

by McFood on May 17, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all I know is ...

... I never want to go to a fantasy camp where Moises Alou is the batting instructor.

You swing harder, you strike out; you try to throw harder, you hit the mascot. ~ theblackpearl @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 17, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing with Calero is

He has now appeared in 18 games and has given up runs in 7 of them.  So basically 39% of the time you bring in Calero he gives up runs.

For comparison, Street has appeared in 18 games and given up runs in 3 of them.  Heck even Jay Witasick has only given up runs in 3 of 12 outings.

Something is not right with Calero

Personally, I'd like to see what Connor can do.  With Street out and Duke probably soon to follow, Bob can't afford to Yabu young Connor.

And lastly with regard to Street, I thought I heard KenKo say that it will be at least 2 weeks before Huston can even pick up a baseball to begin a throwing program.  Sounds like he will be out a bit longer than 15 days

by onlysaying on May 16, 2007 10:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but remember:
* The reason Witasick has only given up runs in 3 of 12 outings is that he pitches great in "low leverage" situations and lousy in "high leverage" situations--so that stat does NOT suggest he will succeed in the 9th...Witness yesterday.

* Robertson has been up for TWO DAYS. Geren has waited TWO DAYS to see if he can get Robertson into a non pressure inning before considering him for the 9th. TWO DAYS.

* What's mostly wrong with Calero, IMO, is his terrible pitch selection. How many times can you recall him giving up a hit on a fastball? Think about it--always the slider. Why? Because he throws it about 90% of the time and hitters are looking for it 100% of the time. Granted, hanging them doesn't help.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 16, 2007 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hanging Sliders and also walks ..

.. IMHO better to challenge hitters and make them put the ball in play than to walk - that's one mark of a bad late-inning pitcher, unnecessary walks ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 16, 2007 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By this point

Kendall knows what Calero wants to throw. No sense calling for the fastball when you know he's going to shake you off.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get your point about Connor and Witasick - BUT

It doesn't change the fact that Calero is (for whatever reason) NOT getting the job done.

As Dr Phil might say - "So, throwing Calero out there - How's that working out for you?"

If it's not working - try something different

by onlysaying on May 16, 2007 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two days but every LOSS counts

The ripple effect is there, and a LOSS stays on your record to the end of the year.  You cannot "erase" a loss by "playing better later".  It's not like letting your kid help paint the house and paint over his work  later, no one the wiser.

I'd say the ripple effect on the team is greater for allowing the proven players (with track records showing poor performance) to blow the victory for Blanton (and in succession of Kennedy's no decision), and move the team back to a mere 1-game-over, than the alternative: to say, "Well, we had no choice, we used Robertson, and he couldn't quite do it."

Upside if rookie succeeds?? Double!  Now 3-over-.500, and we rolled the dice to do it!  Just like Cust and Snelling were great for team psychology, having the "unexpected" succeed where success is by odds less likely, is a =far= better outcome than failure by "those who should do the job".

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA, and avoid the unnecessary headscratching!

by One won lost won on May 17, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say the young Connor should get a chance

with the understanding that if he gives it up, he still is afforded mistakes under the learning curve.

It's like when Street getting called to close games when Dotel went down for us. Maybe it will be a blessing in disguise.

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on May 16, 2007 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Beane really needs to do
is stop going out and trading for band-aids and fire the person with the scalpel.  The majority of injuries this year seem to be sprains, herniated disks, and pinched nerves.  This can be minimized with proper warm-up and workout techniques.  

Every year for the past 3 years the amount of injuries has skyrocket.  It can no longer be blamed on bad luck.  If you eliminate  the imposable, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.  It's time for the trainer to go.

by Threepwood XX on May 16, 2007 11:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you can blame Davis for Street's

elbow, if anyone is to blame it would be Curt Young and that's assuming that Street's been having mechanical difficulties and the pitching coach didn't catch it. But if that's not the case than sometimes shit happens.

Not that I'm against upgrading the training and medical staffs mind you!

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 16, 2007 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

... my snarkalicious diary notwithstanding.

You don't promise a fat girl doughnuts and don't deliver. ~ Jennifer @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 16, 2007 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the endless hamstring strains

I wonder how much the A's focus on flexibility training and conditioning. It just seems like too much focus is placed on strength building (lifting weights) which really just leads to increased tightness and muscle strains. The whole conditioning team needs a reevaluation.

by lenscrafters on May 16, 2007 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although we are hurting

I can't stay to sour nor can I look for blame.

We have one of the best rotations in the MLB, we're finally getting some hitting and our GM knows how to address problems.

We've been in tougher places, but I count my lucky stars that I'm n Oakland A's fan and not a long sufferer of any other team.

Tomorrows another day. Maybe we'll see Connor out there.

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on May 16, 2007 11:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

when you go three straight games ...

... with Marco Scutaro starting at 2B, RF, and 3B, I think you consider yourself lucky to have won one and to have been close in all three.

And this is also to directly contradict Cotroneo tonight: good teams are not distinguished by their winning records in 1- and 2-run games, but by the small number of such games they play. Good teams regularly win games by comfortable margins, especially against inferior teams such as the Royals.

Given the A's health status, it's really amazing (and a sign that the rotation is pitching somewhat above its talent level) that the team is winning as many games as it is, period.

Oh, and ... I AM SPARTA-CUST!

You don't promise a fat girl doughnuts and don't deliver. ~ Jennifer @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 16, 2007 11:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NO

I AM SPARTA-CUST!

I am sure the dudes next to me and in back of me  who are also in chains, will say they are Sparta-Cust also.

Y'know, the A's Bleacher faithful

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on May 17, 2007 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree
IF the A's hadn't hit all night you might be right about the offense, but the minute Perez left the game the A's scored 3 runs in 3 innings.  Thats a 9-run a game pace.

The truth about tonight is they ran into an average pitcher pitching a 1-hit gem and if they had a healthy Street they would STILL have stolen the game.  

We need a closer and Street and Duke and injured, Calero needs a few weeks off to find his slider, and Embree and Watasik don't have the head for it.  At this point I'd be for Marshall closing since he seems to be the only pitcher left in the pen who can keep the Royals from scoring for an inning.

by Threepwood XX on May 17, 2007 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so, uh, somehow ...

... the A's coincidentally run into a lot of average (and below-average) pitchers throwing the games of their lives.

You swing harder, you strike out; you try to throw harder, you hit the mascot. ~ theblackpearl @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 17, 2007 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Fairness ..

Odalis Pérez did indeed pitch well last nite - Marty Lurie was just discussing that on his show .. and Blanton matched him pitch for pitch, except the first inning when he gave up the two runs ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 17, 2007 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see

Brad Halsey wearing green and gold again.

by IM4Oakgal on May 17, 2007 12:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Billy

needs to find a Jack Cust for the bullpen.

Can someone tell me why Brad Halsey is still in AAA? I was going to go to the game tomorrow, but since Braden's pitching, I'll listen to the loss on the radio..

It's gonna be tough staying above .500 now that our bp can't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Remember 2 vote early and often for your Oakland A's to this yr's AS game in SF.

by sf drift king on May 17, 2007 1:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He did
He was a pitcher from the Rangers how was injured and lost velocity.  Because the Rangers only wanted hard throwers in their pen at the time they let this "soft tosser" go for a song.  His name is Justin Duchscherer and he is injured.

Halsey and Mitchel, two players this good enough stuff to be a "band-aid" are also injured.  Colby Lewis is pitching well for the starting rotation in AAA though, maybe Beane could add him to the 40 man roster and convert him to the pen.

by Threepwood XX on May 17, 2007 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Duke from Texas
I know, but that was years ago. It would be nice to see him pull another rabbit out of his hat. I'm rooting for you Billy to lock up GM of the year!
Remember 2 vote early and often for your Oakland A's to this yr's AS game in SF.

by sf drift king on May 17, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall

The loss sucked and our bullpen looks like crap, but congrats to Kendall on his second XB hit of the year and 2 RBI's.  He even got to a 3-ball count once.  Now if only he could close.

Going into this year, everyone knew our offense would suck (even with them healthy), but who thought our bullpen would suck?  Just don't go all Wayne Krisky and trade young position players (do we have those?) for a couple bullpen arms.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on May 17, 2007 4:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bring up Halsey

Throw Kennedy or Go Dan as the closer

Or...bring in our Ziggy Man

Or...wait for one of the starters to get healthy, any of them, and throw Go Dan into the pen

Trade for Chan Ho.  Let him close.  

Folks, its May, and the A's are still above 500.  Can't complain too much

Hi, I am closetasfan, and I am a NRAF, and an ANA

by closetasfan on May 17, 2007 6:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's on me.

I forgot that I'm not supposed to join a game thread once the game is in progress.  I'm sorry...

That signature was depressing me.

by Poppy on May 17, 2007 6:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No, my fault.

I came home and turned on the TV just in time for the top of the 9th.

Huh. I always thought that baseball's version of a home run is the motherf---ing home run itself. -FJM

by oblique on May 17, 2007 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call.
Huh. I always thought that baseball's version of a home run is the motherf---ing home run itself. -FJM

by oblique on May 17, 2007 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

reminds me of the old movies

that depict the final years of Rome....with the senate in chaos, and debating left and right while the barbarians continue to march onward.

subject to revision pending next issue

by ak_A on May 17, 2007 6:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Christianity was why Rome fell

Since 300 AD Christianity was the official religion of Rome.  In 411 the Visigoths sacked Rome.  Where was the army?

Uh, no money for an army.  Landowners converted their estates to "monastaries" since religious orders paid no land tax, no taxes at all.  Revenues fell, the serfs joined the "monastaries" rather than the army, and the mercenaries got richer avoiding the barbarians, and picking over what was left in their wake.

Here, it's just baseball fans ranting, because it's all we can do!!  

It's fun though, and please, everyone be happy!  It's only millionaires entertaining us.  Nothing more severe than that!

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA, and avoid the unnecessary headscratching!

by One won lost won on May 17, 2007 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually Rome fell ..

.. when he invited Nick Swisher on his show .. :)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 17, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

millionaires?

This is the A's, there are no millionaires here.

by Cutthemullet on May 17, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm talking about the "visiting"
ballplayers, of course!

You're right... when an A's player signs a big contract, the first year seems to be $600,000 with "a final year, at age 76, of $8.5 million!"

Rename Fremont, CA, to Philadelphia, CA, and avoid the unnecessary headscratching!

by One won lost won on May 17, 2007 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness the modern US

doesn't grant property tax exemptions to religious orders.

Oh, wait...

Watt Funk Staturist

by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 17, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would a rational

A's fan be mad at Geren if Robertson were brought in last night and he had lost??!!  This whole thing about "non-pressure" situations, and crap like that is ridiculous.
He was pitching lights out in Sacramento ... put him in the game and see what happens. Every inning in every big league game is a "pressure situation." Bringing guys up just to watch them sit is stupid. Robertson was our best option in the ninth, and we didn't use him.  We got beat.  

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on May 17, 2007 8:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

By your logic, vacafan,
Bocachica should have batted cleanup--the guy was tearing up AAA. Too bad all he could do in the bigs was to pop up and strike out, twice each.

As poorly as Calero has been throwing, I would expect him to succeed more often than Robertson-in-his-debut. That doesn't mean I'd expect him to succeed. I'd certainly give him one chance first, which is what Geren did.

And if the A's can't get Robertson a "feet wet" inning because they can't score enough to take a real lead, maybe Robertson gets a save opp today--fine, but that doesn't mean Calero shouldn't have been higher on the depth chart.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 17, 2007 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not gonna say Robertson should be higher up

but comparing hitters and pitchers as minor league call ups is not exactly apples and apples, especially a reliever and a position player.

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on May 17, 2007 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but I would say
the same thing about comparing struggling major league relievers with good track records and surging minor league relievers with no track records. We see Calero struggle and see nice stats/reports from Robertson, but the reality is that Calero should get the call first, Robertson second. And if Robertson gets the save today, I'll still back Geren for the order in which he tried all his bad options.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 17, 2007 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No question about that

Apart from ever bringing in Witasick in a high leverage situation, I think Geren's done what he can.

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on May 17, 2007 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

9 for 18 in save opportunities

The A's have the worst save percentage in the American League.  

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on May 17, 2007 8:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

don't forget offense and lack thereof

If you showed me the three scores so far in the series, and only the scores, I would have assumed the A's were playing the Angels.

Shouldn't come down to relief pitching three straight nights against KC.

Is Billy Beane talking to Ryan Doumit yet?

by 405tocenter on May 17, 2007 8:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Weather has been Cold ..

.. in Oakland .. wondering if that has something to do with the reduced offense.  We scored more in the Cleveland series (and in KC on the road).  Also the fact that Milton Bradley has been out of the lineup; Milton adds some spark. :)  Today is a day game, hope for some sunshine and some spark. :)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 17, 2007 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade for Brad Lidge

The guy has really come back around and the Stros' are not using him but for 6th and 7th inning work.

by Hawk on May 17, 2007 8:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that would be a great move,

but I'm not sure how low his price would be.

He'd be a great pickup even in the event Huston came back sooner than later, since we could use him in the 8th while Calero and Duke recover from what appear to be chronic issues.

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on May 17, 2007 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'd cost an arm and a leg

I know we've got some spare body parts lying around but...

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on May 17, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Troy Percival

Maybe the A's should give Troy Percival a shot?!?  

According to reports, he's been clocked at 97MPH recently, and a comeback is likely.  Why not?  Plus, it would piss "Angel-Blow-Hard" off to no end.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6...

by Colorado Fan on May 17, 2007 9:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

moneyball and closers note

Most statheads don't say that closers are interchangeable.   What they do say is that some points in the game are more crucial than other times ("high leverage"), and these may happen earlier than the 9th inning.  You should have your best available pitcher pitching then, and not necessarily during Save opportunities.  

In contrast, closers are measured by Saves and related stats. This means good pitchers like Billy Koch can get highly overrated, and can get flipped for better pitchers with worse Save stats.

As for the painful game: it's a long season. May is usually a lot more painful than this one, so count our blessings.

by Apricot on May 17, 2007 10:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

(OT) Meanwhile ..

.. the Tigers' mighty offense is being shutout through three innings by that titan of hurlers, Julian Tavarez ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 17, 2007 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

...pitching the game of his life.
"AN: We breathe through our noses." -mikeA

by McFood on May 17, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hehe - relieved in the 8th by Okajima

(Tavarez relieved now by Hideki Okajima) .. Tavarez gave up one run through 7.0 innings (4 hits, 1 ER, 4 BB, 3 K) .. it's 2-1 Boston as I type .. and Okajima just got Polanco out, which is more than the A's pitchers seem to be able to do! :)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 17, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melhuse in, Buck in, Chavez in

.. the lineup today ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on May 17, 2007 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Oakland Athletics.

Community Guidelines ANcillary Terms
Start posting about the Athletics »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Me_at_att_park_small
Greener Grass, Episode 7: Transportation Proclamation
Depaulbluedemons_small
Community Prospect List #18
413niegoftl__sl500_aa280__small
A's Protect Carter, FDLS, Figueroa and Souza from Rule V
Countdown_small
Some things I am "coming around" on...
Imgp0089_editedagasin_small
DLD 11/17/09 - Nintendo 64 and a Nerd's top 10 Epic Movie Fights

Recent FanPosts

Funny-pictures12_small
If Jack Cust Traded, Then To Whom And For What?
Small
Jack Cust Drawing Trade Interest?
Me_at_att_park_small
Old McPherson is an A, e yi e yi yoooooooo
Bill_king_small
On Trading Catchers....
Depaulbluedemons_small
Community Prospect List #17

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

SPONSORS


Managers

Tyler_at_maya_school_small Tyler Bleszinski

08-_the_author_small 67MARQUEZ

Baseball_small baseballgirl

Poochini-butt_in_box_2_small Nico

As_kings_cal_small louismg

Editors

Countdown_small Taj Adib

Ziegler160px_small Flashfire

527918550406_0_bg_small notsellingjeans