I'd Like To Challenge the Angels To A Bullpen Duel
First of all, it must be said: I can’t remember a series, even watching the A’s all last year, where a team was so consistently terrible at hitting with runners in scoring position. Well, unless you looked across the field, where the Angels seemed to struggle with the exact same disease. It became almost funny; in that ‘I’m watching a train wreck and I don’t know what else I can do but watch in horrified fascination’ sort of way.
When I predicted the 2-1 final score today, I actually didn’t think the game would end up that way, but this is the A’s/Angels. It’s becoming a law that these games will be close, and hard-fought. I agree with Blez: The East Coast rivals have nothing on this match-up. Fans really get their money’s worth, even in April, watching the AL West dogfight.
There’s just no other way to say it; our pitching was simply phenomenal today. Joe Blanton kicked it off with a line of 98 pitches, 5.1 innings, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K’s, pitching about as well as he can. I know some questioned the timing of Blanton's exit, but I will say that without a doubt, my number one complaint with Macha was his ‘closing the barn door after the cows are already out’ theory of starting pitching/bullpen management. I can’t count the number of times in the last few years when a starting pitcher was left in just long enough to put the A’s behind.
Geren, so far, is literally the opposite of this. The A’s in the sixth, clinging to a two run lead, found themselves in a situation with runners at second and third and no one out, and after Blanton got his biggest out of the night via his second ‘K’, he was yanked. And not a moment too soon. Embree, who is fast becoming a fan favorite, allowed only one run to score after a questionable call at third base, where Crosby fielded a ground ball deep in the hole, and made the only play he could. I can’t hang that play on Crosby, although he is making an easy target right now. Truth be told, I’m glad he didn’t rush the throw to first and put it in the dugout (again). But it was all Embree after that with the two huge strikeouts, stranding the tying run on third.
Speaking of ridiculously good pitching, good grief, Enrique Nomar Calero, there you are! Kiko absolutely shut down the top of the Angels’ order in the seventh in dramatic fashion; two strikeouts, and a Vlad popup. Duke followed that act with one of his own; and Street finished with the coup de grace. They’ve never looked better. As much as we hear about the Angels’ bullpen, we cannot ignore our own Embree/Calero/Duchscherer/Street combo. With two (possibly three) starting pitchers in our rotation that we will be happy to get five good innings out of, it is nice to know that if we happen to steal a lead early in the game, we have the possibility of taking it all the way to the win.
And steal we did today. Even as good as our 6-9 inning pitching combo is, today’s win required a good start by Blanton (check) and the necessary holds by Embree (check), Calero (check), Duchscherer (check), and a save by Street (check) to eek out the 2-1 win. The most amazing thing though, was that after the Angels scored their one run, there was not even another hint of drama from our bullpen. The pitching lines were ridiculous. Embree, Calero, and Street all struck out two of the three batters they faced, Duchscherer had one K, and none of the latter three allowed a base-runner.
On the offensive side of things, there is actually a lot to be hopeful about, even as frustrated as we all are with the lack of RISP-y hitting. Mike Piazza was absolutely ON FIRE in this series. With the notable exception of the blast off Rodriguez, the rest of his hits were singles/doubles, but there were an awful lot of them. Going 10 for 16 in a series will endear you to a new team in quick order. Travis Buck is still hanging in there, picking up another hit today in-between rookie strikeouts, Chavez and Kendall picked up a couple each as well, and even Crosby had a very un-Crosby-like (i.e. good) at-bat in the ninth.
April or not, this was a HUGE win. I’ll happily take the split of this series; it’s good to know we can still hang with the Angels, and call me crazy, but I’m really looking forward to the rest of the Angels/A’s matchups.
Tomorrow the A’s start their first homestand of the season, facing the Chicago White Sox at 7:05. We’ll see you right here on AN, for all the latest action.
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Re pulling Blanton,
you could look at it as pulling him after 5.1 IP (early) or pulling him after 98 pitches (a lot at this time of year), and I think had Blanton's pitch count been 75 he would have finished the inning.
Geren won't be able to yank starters in the 6th inning all year, but it was appropriate today with all of them rested and given the relative importance of the game.
We needed four relievers all to be "on" today, and they were. Don't want to rely on that happening too often, but it's nice when the four are as strong as these four. I'll match our pen up with any in the league any time.
by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 4:00 PM PDT 0 recs
We do have the arms to do that
Our bullpen's strength is depth. In Embree, Duke, Street, and Calero, we have 4 guys that are dominant relievers. Not many teams can boast that, if any.
by baseb3383 on
Apr 8, 2007 4:11 PM PDT
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Also
When he gets some seasoning, you can probably add Jay Marshall to the mix. That kid is good.
by baseb3383 on
Apr 8, 2007 4:12 PM PDT
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My point is, the trouble with
getting 4 innings out of 4 different relievers is that only one has to be "off" in order to lose a close game. These are a good 4 to do it with, but that's a well you don't want to have to do to very often. Today, Geren made exactly the right moves. We will just need more than 5.1 IP from our starters as a rule ( and Geren knows that); and hopefully we'll get it.
by Nico on
Apr 8, 2007 4:33 PM PDT
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Oh yeah, I agree
I just think this team is the best equipped of any team out there to get out of that kind of a predicament. It's more likely given the guys we have to pull it together.
by baseb3383 on
Apr 8, 2007 4:41 PM PDT
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I'd say less so.
The more relievers you use, the greater the odds of finding a reliever or more that's having an off-night (or in Witasick's case, an on-night). While most starters are going to have a bad inning, if they're on, the odds are slimmer that they'll have one or many.
by DMOAS on
Apr 8, 2007 7:50 PM PDT
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No hard evidence to back me up
but I tend to believe a starter is just as prone to one bad inning as a group of relievers. Big innings happen either way.
by rebus on
Apr 8, 2007 5:39 PM PDT
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I Think the A's are underrated this year
.. not a single major media outlet {ESPN, Fox, Yahoo, etc} give the A's a chance .. we shall see .. but I really don't see how the Angels are so clearly superior that nobody would go out on a limb and pick the A's to stage an upset this year ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 4:01 PM PDT 0 recs
I think today was portentious:
Two teams with many strengths, many weaknesses, evenly matched.
by Nico on
Apr 8, 2007 4:02 PM PDT
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My point nico is given the apparent parity ..
.. between the two teams .. given that, then you'd think that somebody, at least one of the media "analysts", would go out on a limb and pick the A's to upset .. usually somebody does make an upset pick for one of the divisions ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 4:05 PM PDT
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Steve Phillips picked the A's...
...but count that what you will. :)
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
Apr 8, 2007 4:29 PM PDT
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Steve Phillips
on the "Mike and Mike" show did. Said the A's "always seem to find a way."
by Vacafan on
Apr 8, 2007 4:50 PM PDT
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Sorry Hyntsville
guess I oughta read all the posts.
by Vacafan on
Apr 8, 2007 4:51 PM PDT
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thanks but is that KNBR? i was talking ..
.. major media outlets including the major ones on the internet - ESPN, Fox, Yahoo, etc - so far I have found none, nada, not a single analyst, picking anyone but the Angels to win the West ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 4:53 PM PDT
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Steve Phillips is an analyst for ESPN
He does color for game broadcasts and appears on Baseball Tonight a lot.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/previe...
Albert Chen of Sports Illustrated also picked the A's...again, for what it's worth...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
Apr 8, 2007 4:58 PM PDT
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At ESPN..
3 "experts" have the A's winning the division.
CBS Sporsline has 3 of 5 analysts picking the A's to go to the playoffs.
by JediLeroy on
Apr 8, 2007 5:06 PM PDT
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I'm too slow
AND I can't spell sportsline
by JediLeroy on
Apr 8, 2007 5:07 PM PDT
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OK thanks guys !
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 5:08 PM PDT
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still mad at Kevin Kennedy, Joe Girardi (Fox)
.. they both pick the Angels .. ;-(
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 5:10 PM PDT
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Murray Chass in the NYTimes
picked A's to win the West in their Baseball Preview section last Sunday too.
by Englishmajor on
Apr 8, 2007 8:13 PM PDT
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Sadly, I only saw bits and pieces of this game
as I was hanging with 2 very active kids (low 40s here, too cold for them to spend an hour or two outside) and then cooking dinner with them. But I'm always happier to see a little bit of a win than all of a loss.
Quick observation -- the A's have an absolutely brutal schedule this April. Open in Seattle, then go to Anaheim, home to the White Sox and Yankees, then the Halos again. I guess we'll face a big block o' suck in June or July to make up for it.
by Nick on Apr 8, 2007 4:02 PM PDT 0 recs
Actually, it looks like the blockest of suck
might be May, when the A's have a 16-game stretch of Tampa Bay, KC, Cleveland, KC, SF.
But yes, as crippled as the A's are and as brutal as the schedule is right now, .500 works fine for me for now.
by Nico on
Apr 8, 2007 4:05 PM PDT
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Baby Loves Disco
My wife took our kids to Baby Loves Disco last weekend -- a club in Philly that opens on Sunday afternoon for hipster 'rents and kids to come and shake their booties. They all had fun. So when my wife was looking for little Easter gifts, she picked CDs -- for our son, a disco compilation.
Playing in the background now? "Celebration"!!
by Nick on Apr 8, 2007 4:09 PM PDT 0 recs
Just looking at tomorrow's matchup...
Harden (yay!) vs. Contreras. Whose ERA right now is 63.00.
His only start (in Cleveland):
1 inning
7 hits
8 runs, 7 earned
1 homer
1 BB
1 K
Was he pitching left-handed?
by Nick on Apr 8, 2007 4:14 PM PDT 0 recs
Game was in Chicago
not Cleveland. It was against Cleveland though. Guillen had a meeting with Contreras after the start to discuss his "confidence issue." Doesn't look good for Contreras, but, on the other hand, how often do the A's get 7 hits in one inning? Most pitchers get lit up like a Christmas tree at least one time during the season. At least that's what Giant fans are telling themselves today.
by IndianaAsfan on
Apr 9, 2007 10:59 AM PDT
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Oh yeah...
...congrats to Blanton for his first win against the Angels!!
by baseballgirl on Apr 8, 2007 4:16 PM PDT 0 recs
And my recap is complete!
by baseballgirl on
Apr 8, 2007 4:18 PM PDT
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I love the games against the Angels
they are always intense and seemingly come down to several crucial plays and decisions. It is literally like the playoffs in April. It's going to be a letdown playing other opponents because I get so into these games.
And Embree was awesome. Geren seems to be willing to take advantage of the A's biggest strength, their bullpen. I really like most of the decisions he's made so far this year.
The offense is going to be the team's Achilles Heel all year, but if Blanton can pitch that well (keep in mind the Angels aren't exactly the Yankees) all year, this rotation is going to be fine.
by Blez on Apr 8, 2007 4:25 PM PDT 0 recs
Geren and the lineup
I'll be curious to see how flexible Geren is with the lineup and batting order. Will he always bat Kendall leadoff, or experiment with Ellis or Stewart (maybe Stewart-Ellis-Bradley...)? Will Buck start tomorrow against Contreras, or will Kielty? Will he drop Chavez behind Swisher? Will Swish ever get a day off? How will he handle Kotsay and DJ when they get back?
I haven't gotten a real clear feel yet for whether he likes to tinker or experiment.
by Nick on
Apr 8, 2007 4:31 PM PDT
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My feeling is that vs. LHP,
Ellis is a great #1 or #2 hitter, but that vs. RHP he should be in the bottom third of the order. It looks to me like Geren is more of a tinkerer based on who's hot/who's not. But as the season progresses, I imagine he'll settle into more of a basic set lineup.
by Nico on
Apr 8, 2007 4:35 PM PDT
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Macha was the same way
It's still early, I think most managers like to figure out what they have unless they have really strong veteran talent (aka the Yanks or Sox).
by baseb3383 on
Apr 8, 2007 4:47 PM PDT
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A's Offense will heat up when ..
.. the weather heats up .. they always seem to start hitting better when the weather turns .. Marty Lurie likens the A's to "grinders" .. right now we are in the "sprinters" phase of the season .. as the season progresses, the pitchers tire, and the A's continue to grind it out and start hitting better .. last year they hit better in the 2nd half ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 4:39 PM PDT
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"Martie Lurie likens the A's to grinders"
Whereas I liken them to hoagies (Buck is a ham), subs (Scutaro), and, of course heros (every single one of them snif).
Could I get that with a frappe?
by Nick on
Apr 8, 2007 5:23 PM PDT
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I'm loving Giants games right now.
Especially those involving Zito, Barry.
by Ozzz on
Apr 9, 2007 1:32 AM PDT
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me too!
Am I the only one that was flipping through the channels and almost enjoying the sight?
Also, I'm predicting the Giants won't top 70 wins. Boo Sabean.
by jayefbe on
Apr 9, 2007 3:06 AM PDT
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BBTN
This is my first time tuning in this season. WTF is up with Kruk's hair?
by Jennifer on Apr 8, 2007 4:31 PM PDT 0 recs
Oh my God--
where's his other testicle?
by Nico on
Apr 8, 2007 4:43 PM PDT
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Maybe this guy has it
Link.
by Nick on
Apr 8, 2007 5:25 PM PDT
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That link
is pretty boaring.
by Nico on
Apr 8, 2007 5:46 PM PDT
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Sow I've heard.
by Nick on
Apr 9, 2007 5:52 AM PDT
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Is it too early to worry about the power loss?
Two HRs in 7 games. Both of them were solo shots.
I think this team will be underrated until they start hitting some bombs.
by Oaktownmagical07 on Apr 8, 2007 4:59 PM PDT 0 recs
It can't be good when the opposing 2B man...
has as many homers as your whole team in a series.
by Oaktownmagical07 on
Apr 8, 2007 5:01 PM PDT
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Piazza, Bradley, Chavy, Swisher, yes even Crosby
.. will hit some bombs .. be patient! DJ too if he returns healthy ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 5:13 PM PDT
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Alrite, its too early...
nice call on the win today.
by Oaktownmagical07 on
Apr 8, 2007 5:17 PM PDT
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Hey! I called the win!
and the score. :-)
by baseballgirl on
Apr 8, 2007 5:18 PM PDT
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Randy called it at 5am this morning...
when did you call it?
by Oaktownmagical07 on
Apr 8, 2007 5:19 PM PDT
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Even though we were playing the "Angels" ..
.. I invoked Divine Help .. {g} ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 5:23 PM PDT
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I wrote my post at 12:35 AM last night...
...and put it on AN at 8:30 :-)
by baseballgirl on
Apr 8, 2007 5:23 PM PDT
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This series wasn't that bad
There were plenty of more frustrating games in past seasons. It's far too early to peg this team as anything. Yes, the A's have poor numbers so far with RISP this season, but they also have he second most ABs in such situations, at 59 (Marlins have 60). Point is, they aren't doing a terrible job of scoring runs. Sure, a bit below average when you consider the pitchers they were working against and the 9 run affair in Seattle, but it's not that disastrous, and too early to call it so anyway.
A split away against the Angels? Sounds good to me.
by rebus on Apr 8, 2007 5:34 PM PDT 0 recs
It's probably better to go
10/100 with RISP than to go 8/10 over the same time. I think that's part of Beane's thinking in emphasizing reaching base/not making outs. As long as we get enough chances, we'll score enough runs even with a frustratingly low average. And frustrating it is!
by Nico on
Apr 8, 2007 5:45 PM PDT
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there's also psychological factor ..
.. the more you get the RISP opportunity, the more pressure you put on opposing pitching & defense .. it's always good to "stress" your opponent as much as possible .. OK that sounds hokey but I think it is true ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 6:19 PM PDT
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True
But the reverse is true too. The more often you put a team in a stressful situation and let them get out of it. The more confidence you give them that they can get out of it. In a way, I think that's what happened with Blanton today & Kennedy the other day. Granted you're eventually going to get burned bad, but the more often you succeed when playing with fire the neater the tricks you can do while playing with it.
by DMOAS on
Apr 8, 2007 7:39 PM PDT
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In all probability the Angels
have the best pitching in the AL. The fact the A's haven't hit all that well is not surprising, they have faced some very good pitchers so far this year. Plus, hitters usually lag behind this early in the season. I agree with BBG, a split with the Angels in Anaheim this early in the season is fine with me. That is 4 games there already concluded. I am much more impressed with the A's pitching than I am discouraged by their lack of hitting which I have come to expect and accept.
by china bob on Apr 8, 2007 6:25 PM PDT 0 recs
also don't forget about loaiza
.. last news I heard about him sounded positive .. when we get a healthy loaiza, our rotation will be stronger .. and our pen too, since gaudin or kennedy go back to the pen when loaiza gets back in the rotation .. I assume gaudin will go back to the pen but don't know for sure what the A's will decide .. depends on kennedy's performance i guess .. point being that the Angels may have one of the best rotations in MLB but our rotation with a healthy harden won't be any slouch either ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 6:43 PM PDT
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Last I heard of Loaiza wasn't good.
But as it stands now, we have roughly 3.5 quality pitchers in our rotation (give or take a few rounds through our 5) which isn't bad. It may come down to that last 3 game series against the Angels. If that's the case, we have 3 days off to maximize our top 3 to 4 starters to send up against the Indians, Red Sox & Angels while the Angels will have 2 weeks in a row to play before finally getting a day off before facing us. I like those odds regardless of how good their rotation looks.
by DMOAS on
Apr 8, 2007 7:46 PM PDT
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I guess we are interpreting same news differently
Rotoworld News says:
Esteban Loaiza won't throw again for at least a week after being diagnosed with a bulging disk in his neck.
That's what caused the soreness near his shoulder. "It's not herniated. Not surgical. It's something that can be treated," assistant GM David Forst said. Chad Gaudin is now expected to make two or three starts in place of Loaiza. The plan is for Loaiza to return before the end of the month.
I guess I interpreted that as positive if we can get E-Lo back by {or slightly before} the end of this month. :)
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 8:16 PM PDT
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Agreed.
Same basic report, different takes on them. When originally the injury wasn't a big deal with a minor strain, then it becomes a bulging disk. The no surgery is good news, but this is something that could just as easily stick around and continue to be a problem. If Gaudin does well and Loaiza comes back we could ditch Kennedy in the rotation and the sooner that happens the better our back 3 look.
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Apr 8, 2007 9:14 PM PDT
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{forgot to} thank you for your encouraging ..
.. analysis .. if the divisional race is that tight {and who knows whether by the last Sept series we will be close, ahead, behind, whatever}, - then we have some hope ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 8:19 PM PDT
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On stats alone right now...
..we made the right call keeping Kennedy and Gaudin, and letting Zito walk.
Whoda thunk it?
by Ozzz on
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Don't see what everyone is so excited about
Sure our bullpen is strong and the starting staff is pretty good right now, but the offense is an absolute black hole.
I think the starting staff is just on a hot streak and I fully expect drop offs from everyone except Harden. You can't tell me with a straight face that Gaudin and Kennedy will only give up 2 ER per start. You may then say they don't have to if the offense will just pick up some of the slack, but I see no proof that the offense will be able to.
I think we were extremely lucky to win two games here in Anaheim, I think with the type of production we received offensively, we should've been swept. The RISP problem isn't a minor thing, it's a MAJOR problem. This offense won't slug a lot of homeruns, it's gonna need a lot of two out hits with RISP and to be able to drive home that run from 3rd with less than two outs and we've been unable to do any of that against mediocre pitching (exception to Hernandez and Lackey). 1 run against Moseley is unacceptable, 2 runs off Escobar is unacceptable, and I can argue that the 1 run off Lackey last night was unacceptable. The offense needs to pick it up right now in order for us to weather the definite dropoff from the rotation and probably the bullpen, too.
by Helloooo 1st on Apr 8, 2007 8:31 PM PDT 0 recs
We all want more offense but why is ..
.. 1 run off Lackey unacceptable? He almost pitched a perfect game against us last year! He always pitches well against the A's .. Saunders and Moseley pitched well too, even though they are just #6,#7 fill-ins ..
Escobar is no picnic either - and gracious, what about King Felix, are you saying we should have hit him better too? The kind of stuff he had?
Did you see Papelbon pitch on ESPN tonight? Do you expect the A's to hit that? Rangers sure couldn't do anything with it ..
I hear your frustration, but, try to be patient, - give it a chance, we are only one week into the season ..
by Randy Bell on
Apr 8, 2007 8:45 PM PDT
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I'm going to have to agree with Randy here
Lackey and Hernandez are no picnic, and in all honesty, the Angels' staff is great. That's 5/7 of our games so far. I'm willing to see if this offense has more to show us.
by baseballgirl on
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Normally I'd agree too.
Hernandez was dominate and we basically had to blank them for 7 to have a chance. Normally Lackey is too and what we wound up getting is generally what you'd expect. BUT Lackey gave us some opportunities and we failed to take advantage of them. THAT is what was unacceptable. It's rare to get those chances and you have to capitalize on them when you do. You could say Lackey was good enough to get out of those jams (and you'd be right), but that doesn't excuse the offense.
by DMOAS on
Apr 8, 2007 9:09 PM PDT
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Offense isn't really that bad
Right now, the A's are second in the Division in OPS, at .683, behind the Angels .762. The team batting average of .264 is sixth in the American League. It's still plenty early, but these aren't discouraging numbers at all.
Individually, we got five guys batting above .300. Piazza leads the league in hits, Chavy leads the league in doubles, Ellis is number 3 in RBIs, and Kendall leads the league in steals (when's the last time an A did that?). We know Buck was rushed up, so it's probably going to take him a while to learn his way around the American League. His approach so far is sound, and he's making progress.
Seems to me the team's weaknesses so far this year are Jay Witasick, some very confused base running, and erratic infield defense. Milton had a poor series in Anaheim, but you know he's gonna bounce back unless he's hurt. Crosby still concerns me, but that's about it.
To me, the biggest surprise of the year so far is Gaudin's control. If he keeps on pitching as he has, he's for sure an excellent starter.
This is a good team, boys and girls, and they're going to have a good season.
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Apr 8, 2007 8:53 PM PDT
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Yeah, I have more faith
in the offense to improve than I have in the back end of the rotation. Bradley, Piazza, Chavez, and Swisher form a very good nucleus, and only Buck (growing pains) and Crosby (just a pain) strike me as concerns.
I think that the A's will be their usual "middle of the pack" in runs scored, that Harden and Haren will continue to be great, and that the bullpen will be a big strength. It's a question of how Blanton-Gaudin-Kennedy will fare over the long haul. My optimism for those three goes in decreasing order, but even if I'm pleasantly surprised, they ain't E. Santana-K. Escobar-Jared Weaver. If the Angels win the West, it will be on the strength of their superior back-end of the rotation, not on their superior offense.
by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 9:08 PM PDT 0 recs
We've gotten by without an offense
that could put up huge power numbers for a while now. Our bread and butter as always been with our starting 5. As long as the offense can provide enough runs that the starters don't have to be perfect (which they haven't quite done so so far) Harden and Haren will be okay. The other 3? You're right, they're basically going to be a question mark each time out.
by DMOAS on
Apr 8, 2007 9:19 PM PDT
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Incidentally
Swisher's numbers with RISP are quite nice right now: BA .429, OBP .556, SLG .429, and OPS .984. That would make for a nice season if he can keep it up.
by Mossback on
Apr 8, 2007 9:27 PM PDT
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Nico sounds like you're assuming "Bart" is ..
.. gonna be his old dominant self .. but he hasn't been healthy in, what, a year and a half? Do we or the Angels really know how well he will perform? I heard he lost some of his velocity. And injuries may change that whole complexion / comparison you mentioned {backend of respective rotations} ..
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