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I'd Like To Challenge the Angels To A Bullpen Duel

First of all, it must be said: I can’t remember a series, even watching the A’s all last year, where a team was so consistently terrible at hitting with runners in scoring position. Well, unless you looked across the field, where the Angels seemed to struggle with the exact same disease. It became almost funny; in that ‘I’m watching a train wreck and I don’t know what else I can do but watch in horrified fascination’ sort of way.

When I predicted the 2-1 final score today, I actually didn’t think the game would end up that way, but this is the A’s/Angels. It’s becoming a law that these games will be close, and hard-fought. I agree with Blez: The East Coast rivals have nothing on this match-up. Fans really get their money’s worth, even in April, watching the AL West dogfight.

There’s just no other way to say it; our pitching was simply phenomenal today. Joe Blanton kicked it off with a line of 98 pitches, 5.1 innings, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K’s, pitching about as well as he can. I know some questioned the timing of Blanton's exit, but I will say that without a doubt, my number one complaint with Macha was his ‘closing the barn door after the cows are already out’ theory of starting pitching/bullpen management. I can’t count the number of times in the last few years when a starting pitcher was left in just long enough to put the A’s behind.

Geren, so far, is literally the opposite of this. The A’s in the sixth, clinging to a two run lead, found themselves in a situation with runners at second and third and no one out, and after Blanton got his biggest out of the night via his second ‘K’, he was yanked. And not a moment too soon. Embree, who is fast becoming a fan favorite, allowed only one run to score after a questionable call at third base, where Crosby fielded a ground ball deep in the hole, and made the only play he could. I can’t hang that play on Crosby, although he is making an easy target right now. Truth be told, I’m glad he didn’t rush the throw to first and put it in the dugout (again). But it was all Embree after that with the two huge strikeouts, stranding the tying run on third.

Speaking of ridiculously good pitching, good grief, Enrique Nomar Calero, there you are! Kiko absolutely shut down the top of the Angels’ order in the seventh in dramatic fashion; two strikeouts, and a Vlad popup. Duke followed that act with one of his own; and Street finished with the coup de grace. They’ve never looked better. As much as we hear about the Angels’ bullpen, we cannot ignore our own Embree/Calero/Duchscherer/Street combo. With two (possibly three) starting pitchers in our rotation that we will be happy to get five good innings out of, it is nice to know that if we happen to steal a lead early in the game, we have the possibility of taking it all the way to the win.

And steal we did today. Even as good as our 6-9 inning pitching combo is, today’s win required a good start by Blanton (check) and the necessary holds by Embree (check), Calero (check), Duchscherer (check), and a save by Street (check) to eek out the 2-1 win. The most amazing thing though, was that after the Angels scored their one run, there was not even another hint of drama from our bullpen. The pitching lines were ridiculous. Embree, Calero, and Street all struck out two of the three batters they faced, Duchscherer had one K, and none of the latter three allowed a base-runner.

On the offensive side of things, there is actually a lot to be hopeful about, even as frustrated as we all are with the lack of RISP-y hitting. Mike Piazza was absolutely ON FIRE in this series. With the notable exception of the blast off Rodriguez, the rest of his hits were singles/doubles, but there were an awful lot of them. Going 10 for 16 in a series will endear you to a new team in quick order. Travis Buck is still hanging in there, picking up another hit today in-between rookie strikeouts, Chavez and Kendall picked up a couple each as well, and even Crosby had a very un-Crosby-like (i.e. good) at-bat in the ninth.

April or not, this was a HUGE win. I’ll happily take the split of this series; it’s good to know we can still hang with the Angels, and call me crazy, but I’m really looking forward to the rest of the Angels/A’s matchups.

Tomorrow the A’s start their first homestand of the season, facing the Chicago White Sox at 7:05. We’ll see you right here on AN, for all the latest action.

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Re pulling Blanton,

you could look at it as pulling him after 5.1 IP (early) or pulling him after 98 pitches (a lot at this time of year), and I think had Blanton's pitch count been 75 he would have finished the inning.

Geren won't be able to yank starters in the 6th inning all year, but it was appropriate today with all of them rested and given the relative importance of the game.

We needed four relievers all to be "on" today, and they were. Don't want to rely on that happening too often, but it's nice when the four are as strong as these four. I'll match our pen up with any in the league any time.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 4:00 PM PDT   0 recs

We do have the arms to do that

Our bullpen's strength is depth.  In Embree, Duke, Street, and Calero, we have 4 guys that are dominant relievers.  Not many teams can boast that, if any.

by baseb3383 on Apr 8, 2007 4:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also

When he gets some seasoning, you can probably add Jay Marshall to the mix.  That kid is good.

by baseb3383 on Apr 8, 2007 4:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My point is, the trouble with

getting 4 innings out of 4 different relievers is that only one has to be "off" in order to lose a close game. These are a good 4 to do it with, but that's a well you don't want to have to do to very often. Today, Geren made exactly the right moves. We will just need more than 5.1 IP from our starters as a rule ( and Geren knows that); and hopefully we'll get it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah, I agree

I just think this team is the best equipped of any team out there to get out of that kind of a predicament.  It's more likely given the guys we have to pull it together.

by baseb3383 on Apr 8, 2007 4:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd say less so.

The more relievers you use, the greater the odds of finding a reliever or more that's having an off-night (or in Witasick's case, an on-night).  While most starters are going to have a bad inning, if they're on, the odds are slimmer that they'll have one or many.

Jeff of Lookout Landing: "Crosby turns routine play. The Mariners didn't plan on this unforeseen turn of events."

by DMOAS on Apr 8, 2007 7:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No hard evidence to back me up

but I tend to believe a starter is just as prone to one bad inning as a group of relievers. Big innings happen either way.

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Apr 8, 2007 5:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I Think the A's are underrated this year

.. not a single major media outlet {ESPN, Fox, Yahoo, etc} give the A's a chance .. we shall see .. but I really don't see how the Angels are so clearly superior that nobody would go out on a limb and pick the A's to stage an upset this year ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 4:01 PM PDT   0 recs

I think today was portentious:

Two teams with many strengths, many weaknesses, evenly matched.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 4:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My point nico is given the apparent parity ..

.. between the two teams .. given that, then you'd think that somebody, at least one of the media "analysts", would go out on a limb and pick the A's to upset .. usually somebody does make an upset pick for one of the divisions ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 4:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Steve Phillips picked the A's...

...but count that what you will. :)

Second place in gigglingone's NCAA Tournament bracket contest!

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Apr 8, 2007 4:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Steve Phillips

on the "Mike and Mike" show did. Said the A's "always seem to find a way."

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Apr 8, 2007 4:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry Hyntsville

guess I oughta read all the posts.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Apr 8, 2007 4:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks but is that KNBR? i was talking ..

.. major media outlets including the major ones on the internet - ESPN, Fox, Yahoo, etc - so far I have found none, nada, not a single analyst, picking anyone but the Angels to win the West ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 4:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Steve Phillips is an analyst for ESPN

He does color for game broadcasts and appears on Baseball Tonight a lot.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/previe...

Albert Chen of Sports Illustrated also picked the A's...again, for what it's worth...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_...

Second place in gigglingone's NCAA Tournament bracket contest!

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Apr 8, 2007 4:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm too slow

AND I can't spell sportsline

It's a shame that families get torn apart by something as simple as wild dogs. -Jack Handey

by JediLeroy on Apr 8, 2007 5:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK thanks guys !
.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 5:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

still mad at Kevin Kennedy, Joe Girardi (Fox)

.. they both pick the Angels .. ;-(

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 5:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Murray Chass in the NYTimes

picked A's to win the West in their Baseball Preview section last Sunday too.

"(Zito) swings like a girl and runs like a woman." -- Dan Haren, January 27, 2007.

by Englishmajor on Apr 8, 2007 8:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sadly, I only saw bits and pieces of this game

as I was hanging with 2 very active kids (low 40s here, too cold for them to spend an hour or two outside) and then cooking dinner with them.  But I'm always happier to see a little bit of a win than all of a loss.

Quick observation -- the A's have an absolutely brutal schedule this April.  Open in Seattle, then go to Anaheim, home to the White Sox and Yankees, then the Halos again.  I guess we'll face a big block o' suck in June or July to make up for it.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 8, 2007 4:02 PM PDT   0 recs

Actually, it looks like the blockest of suck

might be May, when the A's have a 16-game stretch of Tampa Bay, KC, Cleveland, KC, SF.

But yes, as crippled as the A's are and as brutal as the schedule is right now, .500 works fine for me for now.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 4:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Baby Loves Disco

My wife took our kids to Baby Loves Disco last weekend -- a club in Philly that opens on Sunday afternoon for hipster 'rents and kids to come and shake their booties.  They all had fun.  So when my wife was looking for little Easter gifts, she picked CDs -- for our son, a disco compilation.

Playing in the background now?  "Celebration"!!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 8, 2007 4:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Just looking at tomorrow's matchup...

Harden (yay!) vs. Contreras.  Whose ERA right now is 63.00.

His only start (in Cleveland):
1 inning
7 hits
8 runs, 7 earned
1 homer
1 BB
1 K

Was he pitching left-handed?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 8, 2007 4:14 PM PDT   0 recs

Game was in Chicago

not Cleveland.  It was against Cleveland though.  Guillen had a meeting with Contreras after the start to discuss his "confidence issue."  Doesn't look good for Contreras, but, on the other hand, how often do the A's get 7 hits in one inning?  Most pitchers get lit up like a Christmas tree at least one time during the season.  At least that's what Giant fans are telling themselves today.

by IndianaAsfan on Apr 9, 2007 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah...

...congrats to Blanton for his first win against the Angels!!

Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Apr 8, 2007 4:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Nice win, bitches!!!
I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Apr 8, 2007 4:17 PM PDT   0 recs

And my recap is complete!
Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Apr 8, 2007 4:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love the games against the Angels

they are always intense and seemingly come down to several crucial plays and decisions.  It is literally like the playoffs in April.  It's going to be a letdown playing other opponents because I get so into these games.

And Embree was awesome.  Geren seems to be willing to take advantage of the A's biggest strength, their bullpen.  I really like most of the decisions he's made so far this year.

The offense is going to be the team's Achilles Heel all year, but if Blanton can pitch that well (keep in mind the Angels aren't exactly the Yankees) all year, this rotation is going to be fine.

by Blez on Apr 8, 2007 4:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Geren and the lineup

I'll be curious to see how flexible Geren is with the lineup and batting order.  Will he always bat Kendall leadoff, or experiment with Ellis or Stewart (maybe Stewart-Ellis-Bradley...)?  Will Buck start tomorrow against Contreras, or will Kielty?  Will he drop Chavez behind Swisher?  Will Swish ever get a day off?  How will he handle Kotsay and DJ when they get back?

I haven't gotten a real clear feel yet for whether he likes to tinker or experiment.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 8, 2007 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My feeling is that vs. LHP,

Ellis is a great #1 or #2 hitter, but that vs. RHP he should be in the bottom third of the order. It looks to me like Geren is more of a tinkerer based on who's hot/who's not. But as the season progresses, I imagine he'll settle into more of a basic set lineup.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 4:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Macha was the same way

It's still early, I think most managers like to figure out what they have unless they have really strong veteran talent (aka the Yanks or Sox).

by baseb3383 on Apr 8, 2007 4:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A's Offense will heat up when ..

.. the weather heats up .. they always seem to start hitting better when the weather turns .. Marty Lurie likens the A's to "grinders" .. right now we are in the "sprinters" phase of the season .. as the season progresses, the pitchers tire, and the A's continue to grind it out and start hitting better .. last year they hit better in the 2nd half ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 4:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"Martie Lurie likens the A's to grinders"

Whereas I liken them to hoagies (Buck is a ham), subs (Scutaro), and, of course heros (every single one of them snif).

Could I get that with a frappe?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 8, 2007 5:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm loving Giants games right now.

Especially those involving Zito, Barry.

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Apr 9, 2007 1:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

me too!

Am I the only one that was flipping through the channels and almost enjoying the sight?

Also, I'm predicting the Giants won't top 70 wins.  Boo Sabean.

by jayefbe on Apr 9, 2007 3:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

BBTN

This is my first time tuning in this season. WTF is up with Kruk's hair?

by Jennifer on Apr 8, 2007 4:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Oh my God--

where's his other testicle?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 4:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe this guy has it

Link.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 8, 2007 5:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That link

is pretty boaring.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 5:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sow I've heard.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 9, 2007 5:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Is it too early to worry about the power loss?

Two HRs in 7 games. Both of them were solo shots.
I think this team will be underrated until they start hitting some bombs.

With the Oakland A's, the intravenous drip is always half full!

by Oaktownmagical07 on Apr 8, 2007 4:59 PM PDT   0 recs

It can't be good when the opposing 2B man...

has as many homers as your whole team in a series.

With the Oakland A's, the intravenous drip is always half full!

by Oaktownmagical07 on Apr 8, 2007 5:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Piazza, Bradley, Chavy, Swisher, yes even Crosby

.. will hit some bombs .. be patient!  DJ too if he returns healthy ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 5:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Alrite, its too early...

nice call on the win today.

With the Oakland A's, the intravenous drip is always half full!

by Oaktownmagical07 on Apr 8, 2007 5:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey! I called the win!

and the score. :-)

Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Apr 8, 2007 5:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Randy called it at 5am this morning...

when did you call it?

With the Oakland A's, the intravenous drip is always half full!

by Oaktownmagical07 on Apr 8, 2007 5:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Even though we were playing the "Angels" ..

.. I invoked Divine Help .. {g} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 5:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wrote my post at 12:35 AM last night...

...and put it on AN at 8:30 :-)

Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Apr 8, 2007 5:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This series wasn't that bad

There were plenty of more frustrating games in past seasons. It's far too early to peg this team as anything. Yes, the A's have poor numbers so far with RISP this season, but they also have he second most ABs in such situations, at 59 (Marlins have 60). Point is, they aren't doing a terrible job of scoring runs. Sure, a bit below average when you consider the pitchers they were working against and the 9 run affair in Seattle, but it's not that disastrous, and too early to call it so anyway.

A split away against the Angels? Sounds good to me.

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Apr 8, 2007 5:34 PM PDT   0 recs

It's probably better to go

10/100 with RISP than to go 8/10 over the same time. I think that's part of Beane's thinking in emphasizing reaching base/not making outs. As long as we get enough chances, we'll score enough runs even with a frustratingly low average. And frustrating it is!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 5:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

there's also psychological factor ..

.. the more you get the RISP opportunity, the more pressure you put on opposing pitching & defense .. it's always good to "stress" your opponent as much as possible .. OK that sounds hokey but I think it is true ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 6:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True

But the reverse is true too.  The more often you put a team in a stressful situation and let them get out of it.  The more confidence you give them that they can get out of it.  In a way, I think that's what happened with Blanton today & Kennedy the other day.  Granted you're eventually going to get burned bad, but the more often you succeed when playing with fire the neater the tricks you can do while playing with it.

Jeff of Lookout Landing: "Crosby turns routine play. The Mariners didn't plan on this unforeseen turn of events."

by DMOAS on Apr 8, 2007 7:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In all probability the Angels

have the best pitching in the AL. The fact the A's haven't hit all that well is not surprising, they have faced some very good pitchers so far this year.  Plus, hitters usually lag behind this early in the season. I agree with BBG, a split with the Angels in Anaheim this early in the season is fine with me.  That is 4 games there already concluded.  I am much more impressed with the A's pitching than I am discouraged by their lack of hitting which I have come to expect and accept.

by china bob on Apr 8, 2007 6:25 PM PDT   0 recs

also don't forget about loaiza

.. last news I heard about him sounded positive .. when we get a healthy loaiza, our rotation will be stronger .. and our pen too, since gaudin or kennedy go back to the pen when loaiza gets back in the rotation .. I assume gaudin will go back to the pen but don't know for sure what the A's will decide .. depends on kennedy's performance i guess .. point being that the Angels may have one of the best rotations in MLB but our rotation with a healthy harden won't be any slouch either ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 6:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Last I heard of Loaiza wasn't good.

But as it stands now, we have roughly 3.5 quality pitchers in our rotation (give or take a few rounds through our 5) which isn't bad.  It may come down to that last 3 game series against the Angels.  If that's the case, we have 3 days off to maximize our top 3 to 4 starters to send up against the Indians, Red Sox & Angels while the Angels will have 2 weeks in a row to play before finally getting a day off before facing us.  I like those odds regardless of how good their rotation looks.

Jeff of Lookout Landing: "Crosby turns routine play. The Mariners didn't plan on this unforeseen turn of events."

by DMOAS on Apr 8, 2007 7:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess we are interpreting same news differently

Rotoworld News says:

Esteban Loaiza won't throw again for at least a week after being diagnosed with a bulging disk in his neck.
That's what caused the soreness near his shoulder. "It's not herniated. Not surgical. It's something that can be treated," assistant GM David Forst said. Chad Gaudin is now expected to make two or three starts in place of Loaiza. The plan is for Loaiza to return before the end of the month.

I guess I interpreted that as positive if we can get E-Lo back by {or slightly before} the end of this month. :)

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 8:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

Same basic report, different takes on them.  When originally the injury wasn't a big deal with a minor strain, then it becomes a bulging disk.  The no surgery is good news, but this is something that could just as easily stick around and continue to be a problem.  If Gaudin does well and Loaiza comes back we could ditch Kennedy in the rotation and the sooner that happens the better our back 3 look.

Jeff of Lookout Landing: "Crosby turns routine play. The Mariners didn't plan on this unforeseen turn of events."

by DMOAS on Apr 8, 2007 9:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

{forgot to} thank you for your encouraging ..

.. analysis .. if the divisional race is that tight {and who knows whether by the last Sept series we will be close, ahead, behind, whatever}, - then we have some hope ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 8:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On stats alone right now...

..we made the right call keeping Kennedy and Gaudin, and letting Zito walk.

Whoda thunk it?

"Kotsay is 31... Kotsay's back is 127." - Jeepers

by Ozzz on Apr 9, 2007 1:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me.

I did.  

by jayefbe on Apr 9, 2007 3:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't see what everyone is so excited about

Sure our bullpen is strong and the starting staff is pretty good right now, but the offense is an absolute black hole.

I think the starting staff is just on a hot streak and I fully expect drop offs from everyone except Harden. You can't tell me with a straight face that Gaudin and Kennedy will only give up 2 ER per start. You may then say they don't have to if the offense will just pick up some of the slack, but I see no proof that the offense will be able to.

I think we were extremely lucky to win two games here in Anaheim, I think with the type of production we received offensively, we should've been swept. The RISP problem isn't a minor thing, it's a MAJOR problem. This offense won't slug a lot of homeruns, it's gonna need a lot of two out hits with RISP and to be able to drive home that run from 3rd with less than two outs and we've been unable to do any of that against mediocre pitching (exception to Hernandez and Lackey). 1 run against Moseley is unacceptable, 2 runs off Escobar is unacceptable, and I can argue that the 1 run off Lackey last night was unacceptable. The offense needs to pick it up right now in order for us to weather the definite dropoff from the rotation and probably the bullpen, too.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Apr 8, 2007 8:31 PM PDT   0 recs

We all want more offense but why is ..

.. 1 run off Lackey unacceptable?  He almost pitched a perfect game against us last year!  He always pitches well against the A's .. Saunders and Moseley pitched well too, even though they are just #6,#7 fill-ins ..

Escobar is no picnic either - and gracious, what about King Felix, are you saying we should have hit him better too?  The kind of stuff he had?

Did you see Papelbon pitch on ESPN tonight?  Do you expect the A's to hit that?  Rangers sure couldn't do anything with it ..

I hear your frustration, but, try to be patient, - give it a chance, we are only one week into the season ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 8:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm going to have to agree with Randy here

Lackey and Hernandez are no picnic, and in all honesty, the Angels' staff is great. That's 5/7 of our games so far. I'm willing to see if this offense has more to show us.

Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Apr 8, 2007 8:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Normally I'd agree too.

Hernandez was dominate and we basically had to blank them for 7 to have a chance.  Normally Lackey is too and what we wound up getting is generally what you'd expect.  BUT Lackey gave us some opportunities and we failed to take advantage of them.  THAT is what was unacceptable.  It's rare to get those chances and you have to capitalize on them when you do.  You could say Lackey was good enough to get out of those jams (and you'd be right), but that doesn't excuse the offense.

Jeff of Lookout Landing: "Crosby turns routine play. The Mariners didn't plan on this unforeseen turn of events."

by DMOAS on Apr 8, 2007 9:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Offense isn't really that bad

Right now, the A's are second in the Division in OPS, at .683, behind the Angels .762. The team batting average of .264 is sixth in the American League. It's still plenty early, but these aren't discouraging numbers at all.

Individually, we got five guys batting above .300. Piazza leads the league in hits, Chavy leads the league in doubles, Ellis is number 3 in RBIs, and Kendall leads the league in steals (when's the last time an A did that?). We know Buck was rushed up, so it's probably going to take him a while to learn his way around the American League. His approach so far is sound, and he's making progress.

Seems to me the team's weaknesses so far this year are Jay Witasick, some very confused base running, and erratic infield defense. Milton had a poor series in Anaheim, but you know he's gonna bounce back unless he's hurt. Crosby still concerns me, but that's about it.

To me, the biggest surprise of the year so far is Gaudin's control. If he keeps on pitching as he has, he's for sure an excellent starter.

This is a good team, boys and girls, and they're going to have a good season.

The A's success should surprise no one. They're a much better team than people give them credit for. -- Joe Morgan

by Mossback on Apr 8, 2007 8:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I have more faith

in the offense to improve than I have in the back end of the rotation. Bradley, Piazza, Chavez, and Swisher form a very good nucleus, and only Buck (growing pains) and Crosby (just a pain) strike me as concerns.

I think that the A's will be their usual "middle of the pack" in runs scored, that Harden and Haren will continue to be great, and that the bullpen will be a big strength. It's a question of how Blanton-Gaudin-Kennedy will fare over the long haul. My optimism for those three goes in decreasing order, but even if I'm pleasantly surprised, they ain't E. Santana-K. Escobar-Jared Weaver. If the Angels win the West, it will be on the strength of their superior back-end of the rotation, not on their superior offense.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 9:08 PM PDT   0 recs

We've gotten by without an offense

that could put up huge power numbers for a while now.  Our bread and butter as always been with our starting 5.  As long as the offense can provide enough runs that the starters don't have to be perfect (which they haven't quite done so so far) Harden and Haren will be okay.  The other 3?  You're right, they're basically going to be a question mark each time out.

Jeff of Lookout Landing: "Crosby turns routine play. The Mariners didn't plan on this unforeseen turn of events."

by DMOAS on Apr 8, 2007 9:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Incidentally

Swisher's numbers with RISP are quite nice right now: BA .429, OBP .556, SLG .429, and OPS .984. That would make for a nice season if he can keep it up.

The A's success should surprise no one. They're a much better team than people give them credit for. -- Joe Morgan

by Mossback on Apr 8, 2007 9:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nico sounds like you're assuming "Bart" is ..

.. gonna be his old dominant self .. but he hasn't been healthy in, what, a year and a half?  Do we or the Angels really know how well he will perform?  I heard he lost some of his velocity.  And injuries may change that whole complexion / comparison you mentioned {backend of respective rotations} ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 8, 2007 10:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs