Base Open, Jay
When your “new-injury” total matches your run total, it can’t be framed as a great day. As Bradley watched and Crosby left, the rest played a game in which 250 pitches were overshadowed by one—a hanging Jay Witasick slider that Vlad Guerrero “sent in the air” to the left-center field rocks.
What distinguishes pitchers like Tom Glavine and Kenny Rogers (besides having 200-300 more wins than Jay Witasick) is that they never give in, they always know when they have a base open, and they understand that the base doesn’t have to be first base. Mike Scioscia played it right not having Orlando Cabrera bunt in the 7th inning, because the A’s would have walked Vlad. When you’re pitching to Vlad with runners at first and second and one out, you have to remember that you have a base open. Third base. I wasn’t wild about the A’s chances with Jay Marshall facing Garrett Anderson with the bases loaded and one out, but I’m less wild about giving into Guerrero. You could say it was simply a physical mistake, hanging a slider. But there’s also missing out of the strike zone and missing in the strike zone, and Vladdy just doesn’t let you get away with many mistakes of the latter variety.
In the final analysis, though I didn’t think Kennedy pitched quite as well as his stats, you can’t argue with 6 innings of 2 run, shoulda-been-one-run ball. You have to like what Jay Marshall is showing, and you have to think that if Gaudin, Kennedy, and Marshall pitch anything like they did over the last 30 hours, the A’s are going to be in good shape. You have to like how exhausted Speier, Shields, and K-Rod are, and you have to like how the A’s battle right down to the final strike. And you have to wonder who’s going to be injured next.
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I would have minded less if Vlad
hit the fastball or reached outside the zone for the slider. You just don't throw your second best pitch over the plate behind in the count to the other team's best (only?) hitter.
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 6, 2007 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Witasick's slider is his best pitch
It's just that unfortunately, baseball is not his best career.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if he has to throw it for a strike.
As a strikeout pitch where he has the option of throwing it out of the zone then yes, I agree.
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 7, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
injury situation scary
Witasick on the hill in a game-deciding situation scarier...
I'm liking Swish's approach at the plate.Chavvy also had a very nice at bat, fouling off lots of close pitches til he could double.
by OaklandSi on Apr 6, 2007 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Swish looks a lot better at the plate.
I agree with you...he's a reason for optimism. Ellis looks better too IMO.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree about Ellis
also, even though Buck has looked overmatched at the plate in his still very new MLB career -- I like how he learned from his at bat against Speier (sp?) to end up doubling later in the game.
by OaklandSi on Apr 7, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does look that way
and then doubles off of Felix and KRod. Go figure. I think at times he gets caught up in taking pitches and just needs to turn it loose a bit.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His hits
His six hits are all singles.
by jarforcefatherofforce on Apr 7, 2007 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is hopeful about Swish
is that he's not trying to swing for the fences during each at-bat. He is getting on base more, striking out less, and seems to be trying to go the other way more too.
I'm not worried about his lack of power. If he can improve in the other areas the power will eventually show itself too.
by OaklandSi on Apr 7, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - that *is* a very good sign w/Swish
.. last year he struck out wayyyy too much .. and, learning to go the other way with the outside pitch, and making good contact with the breaking ball, have been things he's struggled with since a rookie .. he is looking more mature and making more contact .. and you're right, if a power hitter can hit for average, then the power numbers will tend to naturally follow .. remember Frank Thomas started slowly last year, and when he started hitting more for average, he started hitting more for power too ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is spot on
his power will be there. The consistent discipline is very encouraging. Maybe it will be contagious and Crosby will catch some.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am more worried about Bradley than Crosby
Scut played so much at SS last year that it almost feels like he is the starter.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Scutaro had two outstanding ABs,
taking close pitches to walk against Speier and lining out to right against K-Rod.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melhuse looked a bit overmatched behind the dish.
Hopefully that's just rust from only catching once every... once.
by rebus on Apr 6, 2007 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Yeah.
Actually the only move I didn't like tonight was pinch-hitting Kielty for Melhuse. I think it's important to remember that outside of one memorable AB, Kielty vs. K-Rod is basically Kielty hitting left-handed. Melhuse gets better with each AB, and had gone (as he often does) from whiffing at changeups in the dirt to ripping a double into the gap. He also missed a walk-off HR off K-Rod last year by inches (foul). I like Melhuse in that spot; not that it really mattered, probably, just my only quibblet.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The move to Kielty
Kielty did not look good in his at bat, however, I can understand the move. Kielty is seeing the ball really good and has started the season off well. He also has more experience against K-Rod. Milhuse has not.
by jarforcefatherofforce on Apr 7, 2007 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also his numbers against K-Rod were good ..
He also has more experience against K-Rod. Milhuse has not.
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing
I'd rather have almost anyone than Kielty left-handed.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i missed the fun and frustration
in the air....so i am in a hotel in portland....with zero news til i logged on and holy crap, injuries! just like that, i blink and both bradley and bunnies out. jeeebus, but it sounds like the game was semi close
by ak_A on Apr 6, 2007 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Best thing about this game...
Speculating about what BBG was thinking/saying in the stands while Witasick was pitching. I was pondering that even before the bomb. I hope we find out later in the thread.
And, when did the strike zone turn into a parallelogram? Anybody who rants "Buck struck out twice more tonight, he needs to be sent down" is required to watch his 7th inning AB again.
by Soaker on Apr 6, 2007 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Granted, Buck got shafted a bit,
but let me give the unpopular view and say I thought Iasogna got most of 'em right. When Shields hit the target but the target was off the corner, he wouldn't give Shields the call. I actually wouldn't argue with most of his calls, just a couple that were kind of blatant.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still, Buck has shown a good eye
and seems comfortable under pressure.
by rebus on Apr 6, 2007 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All umps get some calls wrong...
but all in all he did a good job IMO.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Direct quote:
"Oh geez. They replaced Kennedy with...Kennedy."
by baseballgirl on Apr 6, 2007 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this loss is on Geren...
Kennedy pitched fine... way better than Nico ever expected he would.
But, it's like... my kid out there managing... color-by-numbers.
2 men on 2nd & 3rd... 1st base open, Vlad up... your worst pitcher on the mound (but, by some fluke, he's got good numbers against Vlad in a small sample size). So, instead of doing the smart thing and walking Vlad on 4 pitches, you let Witasuck pitch to him. You get what you deserve when you color by numbers.
And, Kielty... pinch-hitting against a struggling F-raud (with no goo under his cap). I called the outcome before the Klown took his first swing.
Horrible managing tonight. Horrible!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Foolsh, it wasn't 2nd and 3rd,
it was 1st and 2nd, when Vlad came up.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever...
a base was open. Walk him!!!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to complete my thought...
it should have been obvious to anyone except a retarded rally monkey, that you let Witasuck intentionally walk Vlad. Bring in Marshall for the lefty-lefty match-up against Anderson. Gee, still woulda been a tie game there, Bob.
And, Kielty... against a righty? Jeeezzzzus Christ, what an asshole!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree, Foolsh
No way do you intentionally walk Vlad with 1st/2nd and one out--to give Garret Anderson a sac fly situation for free? So you can bring in your "I've never pitched above A-ball" LOOGY to face Anderson with the bases loaded? Don't give in, pound him off the plate inside knowing he expands the zone, but IBB? No.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the difference, Nico...
is that I have waaaay more confidence in our "I've never pitched above A-ball" LOOGY than I do in Witasuck. And, I know it's hard to believe now (in hindsight), but I was right.
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We sort of agree, sort of don't--
I would have been fine if Witasick had ended up walking Vlad, and (as manager) I would have called Marshall in to face Anderson with the bases loaded.
But I would not have asked Witasick to IBB Vlad in order to summon Marshall to face Anderson with the bases loaded. Unfair to Marshall, and too conservative--Vlad does get out occasionally. You just have to pitch on your terms and you have to be able to throw pitches somewhere near where you intend.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, i agree with all of that...
and, I was too strident in saying I'd intentionally walk Vlad, with men on 1st and 2nd and one out. I wouldn't. But, I'd tell that idiot, Witasuck, that he'd better not put anything anywhere near where Vlad could hit it. A tall order, perhaps... but, especially so for Witasuck, apparently.
And, Kielty, pinch-hitting against a righty??? BAD, BAD, f'king Witasuck-bad managing!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we agree 100% on all counts.
Basically what it comes down to is: Witasick really sucks. He should only be for mop-up, and since DiNardo and Halsey can pitch badly for more innings, Witasick is a waste of space on the roster.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez, i should have just read...
your second paragraph and saved myself the wrath of AN.
Resolution: Always read Nico's second paragraph before posting comments.
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did i, in my rage, really just ignore that entire
2nd paragraph or did you change it afterwards?
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, given the title of your diary...
I'd say it was the former. LOL
Now, I'm amusing myself... doing a CuttheMullet immitation.
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention $$
except I'm not sure the A's could trade him...and they might not be willing to eat his contract
by OaklandSi on Apr 7, 2007 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can you call it horrible when you didnt watch
the game? it sure seems that way
first base was not open for Vlad in that AB
by fadedash on Apr 6, 2007 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was horrible...
period... i don't really care if the basis were loaded. You don't let Witasuck pitch to Vlad when you're still close.
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe...
basis = bases
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well now i'm really not buying it
if you would walk him with the bases loaded
by fadedash on Apr 6, 2007 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fade...
how much have you seen Witasuck pitch? Believe me, walking Vlad with the bases loaded would be the lesser of two evils 9 times out of 10 in that situation.
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have a pitcher you'd rather
see intentionally walk in a run than throw a strike to someone, you need to get a different pitcher. Which, in Witasick's case, I've said for two years.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I beat you to the punch...
when they traded for his sorry ass. ;-)
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've seen him pitch plenty
and he's not the best reliever out there, but was probably the best option at the time. no duke, no kiko, no gaudin.
it was either him or embree. pick your poison.
by fadedash on Apr 6, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Embree is far, far better than Witasick, IMO
Witasick is fine for mop-up, but he's terrible under pressure--always has been. Embree is a typical Beane "under the radar" pick-up; not a great career, but actually pretty solid overall.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Embree you get ...
consistency.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, with Witasick
I suppose you get consistency...
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah embree probably would have been
a better choice, especially since itzuris sucks vs lefties. but maybe it goes back to the whole geren wanting to get all his pitchers some work in, or whatever it was that you were talkin about before
by fadedash on Apr 6, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's what it was--
I think Witasick and DiNardo were slated for "if we're behind" and that Embree and Street were slated for "if we're tied or ahead," with Calero and Duke not in the planned mix. And that's why failing to get Chavy home after his lead-off double was so huge.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Kendall...
throw him some pitches... at least, he probably woulda walked him.
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitches, or punches?
I don't think Kendall throws pitches.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
punches would have been fine...
it would have, at least, delayed the inevitable. And, maybe thrown a rally monkey into the wrench (or something like that).
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My analysis
First, Vlad not only punishes you for pitches in the zone, he'll hurt you on pitches out of the zone as well.
Aside from that, I think there are plenty of positives to take from it, some that you mentioned.
- The team fought back. After going down 5-1, they got the tying run to the plate in both the 8th and 9th innings. It's always nice to see a comeback attempt like that, even though it won't happen every time.
- Tiring the bullpen. Getting a run back and making it a save situation forced the Angels to go to KRod for the 2nd day in a row and the 4th time in 5 games. Shields has also pitched in 4 of the 5 games and Speier threw 40 pitches in his appearance tonight. With two games left in the series, it's a good thing to wear down the core of their bullpen.
- Jay Marshall. He's been impressive all spring, in the short season thus far, and continued to shine today. It's nice to know that the A's might be able to count on him to be a LOOGY in crucial situations, especially since they have two other lefties in the bullpen.
- Vlad going deep. This wasn't fun to watch, although that HR was a ridiculous moon shot. So how was it positive? Well, combined with Marshall's impressive performance, Geren might have learned (the hard way) not to pitch to Vlad in crucial situations like that. If you have to walk him, walk him. You have a few lefties in your pen to choose from to get Anderson out instead.
by fadedash on Apr 6, 2007 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
fade agrees with me here in Point 4...
but, says I'm wrong, above. fade, do you just like to argue? I'm not Nico, ya know. LOL
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say you learn it the hard way
not that you intentionally walk him right away.
i didn't see anything wrong with geren pitching to him in that situation, but i suspect in the near future geren will be walking him in similar situations.
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, and there's really no easy solution ..
.. that is why his nick is BadVlad ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um Vladdy's been doing
this for years. There's learning the hard way, and just being dumb. Pitching to Vladdy, when he's a proven hitter, it dumb. Learning the hard way is making a young guy prove himself before walking him.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you notice that the only thing fade didn't
argue with was whether s/he just likes to argue?
by LAXile on Apr 7, 2007 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hehe poor guy can't win ..
.. now there's a Catch-22 for ya .. if he argues, then he has confirmed that he is argumentative, - and if he doesn't argue, then we assume he agrees with the assertion that he is argumentative .. ;-(
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so this is what the AN community is like?
i offer my analysis, much of it agreeing with nico's, and instead of commenting on any of the positives i mention, you'd rather try and find a way to instigate an argument.
interesting.
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The AN community is a lot like
everywhere else: People don't just resopnd to what you say, but also to how you say it. How you converse with people will generally predict how they will respond to you.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Example: Oaktoon
by grover on Apr 7, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and how did i
converse in this diary in a smart-ass manner?
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and why is it you have to respond to LAX's
argumentative comments. where did he run off to?
more proof that people just try to stir the pot.
you can't see that?
seeing as how people don't prefer to remark on statements that they agree with, including you, let me just say this...
i am expecting an answer, and only an answer to my specific question.
thank you.
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. This reply is a perfect example, dude
I have to ask: You're about 15, right? (I remember how I talked when I was 15.) And yes, I'm aware that I didn't answer your question.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no i'm not 15.
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do people try to stir the pot or no?
including you.
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some do, most don't, no I don't
What did you instigate in this diary? Nothing much that I can see, other than the one comment which comes across (to me) as a combination of playground whining and officiousness:
("and why is it you have to respond to LAX's argumentative comments. where did he run off to? more proof that people just try to stir the pot. you can't see that? seeing as how people don't prefer to remark on statements that they agree with, including you, let me just say this...i am expecting an answer, and only an answer to my specific question. thank you.")
Over what? Careless comments on a sports blog. People aren't writing essays here, they're mostly thinking out loud in real time.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so nothing except
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"in defense," or defensively,
however you want to look at it. What are you defending? Is there a trial? Will we get the results of "who was unfairly replied to on the AN thread"? If LAxile can't afford an attorney, will he be given a public defender? Can I use the term "habeus corpus," because I've always wanted to and have never had the chance? Am I being too glib, or just glib enough? Oh.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
im guessing you wont answer that, and wont even respond to this without some smart-aleck comment.
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't represent a district
as I teach in a private school; on AN, however, I am just "Nico". If you didn't rub me (and apparently some others) the wrong way, I'd engage you (as I do others)in non smart-alecky conversation. As it is, I'm reduced to the options of "glib" or "ignore". The latter is fine, too.
by Nico on Apr 8, 2007 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LAX is a filthy airport. LAXile is a clever
blog logon name, which expresses my longing for my Bay Area home by implying that life in LA is life in exile, and that life in LA exile is like living in a filthy airport. I wouldn't call you feydash. (I'm still teasing.)
by LAXile on Apr 8, 2007 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apology: I was joking
.. actually expressing what an impossible question for you to respond to -- because it is catch-22, damned if you do, damned if you don't ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought a "catch-22"
was 100 fly balls to Kielty.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
.. ok i get that you aren't too sure about bobby_k's defense .. {g} .. he does a good kick save sometimes, though ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dilemma, catch-22, paradox, trap, ..
.. self-contradiction, impossible situation, circular argument, .. there may be some fancy logical terms to describe a question posed in such a way that any response {or lack thereof} will be unfruitful .. I was trying to be sympathetic but in re-reading my post maybe it came across the wrong way, hence my apologies .. let's all be at peace if possible ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just teasing you. You argue. I argue.
by LAXile on Apr 8, 2007 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the start of the
Fire the manager stuff again please!
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For the record,
though these replies may be aimed at Foolsh, "I think this decision was a mistake" is very different from "So-and-so should be fired." I like Geren a lot so far, actually. That doesn't mean I won't analyze his various moves in a "agree/disagree" way; that's what makes baseball so fun--there's so much to break down.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we know that.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was responding to
"Not the start of the Fire the manager stuff again please!"
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and, i didn't say fire Geren...
he's just making rookie manager mistakes. Course, he is a rookie, so that shouldn't surprise me, I guess.
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 6, 2007 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only note:
The offense needs to step it up big time. Granted we were missing 2 1/2 guys from the starting lineup, but the fact remains that we're still not hitting well with RISP.
by Helloooo 1st on Apr 6, 2007 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Making good outs with RISP
might have sufficed tonight. If the A's get Chavy home in the top of the 7th, Witasick may not be out there in the bottom half. But the "culprit" was Ellis and he's usually fundamentally sound advancing runners, so he gets a flyer from me.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think witasick was coming regardless
by fadedash on Apr 6, 2007 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
flyer reads:
Ellie, will you come to my birthday party?
by rebus on Apr 6, 2007 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Birthday Unicorn!
Woo-hoo!!!!
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty happy with our offense
I like the rate we're getting on base right now. It's only a matter of time before these hits get strung together. So far, the approach is sound. I'd like to see a little more power, but it's far too early to call anything a trend at this point.
by rebus on Apr 6, 2007 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some bright spots...
but we still need a big bat.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
About Kennedy's performance:
He's a strange pitcher. He really has some good stuff when he's on, as evidenced by a couple of his quick innings with a few strikeouts thrown in, but then he loses it for a few hitters (or more), like his Ankiel-esque wild pitches and butterballs with nothing on them.
I wish I had recorded the game to put together some actual evidence of this, but my theory is that it much it this inconsistency has to do with his mechanics. It seems like he's on when he's quick to the plate, then loses his control when he slows down his delivery– there's almost a stutter step or hitch in the motion.
by rebus on Apr 6, 2007 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, until one of them arrives at home plate,
it's unclear whether Kennedy has actually thrown the ball, or his left arm.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was good in the bullpen last year.
I would rather have kept Saarloos as the number 5 and used Kennedy in the pen again. Doesn't seem like that was such a good deal trading Saarloos.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same--over time, I think Kennedy
as a starter is not going to work out well. I'm more hopeful for Gaudin.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so too.
When Loaiza comes back I am hoping Gaudin ends up in the starting rotation and Kennedy back in the pen...not as the fifth starter as planned.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I think Kennedy,
as a reliever, could be as solid as Gaudin. But I think Gaudin as a starter could be superior to Kennedy.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope that Gaudin proves himself while Loaiza
is out. Because you're right.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention...
...how that gives us a way to dump Witasick. How much better would THAT make our team?
by broaklyn on Apr 7, 2007 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you want...
about all the bad calls and defensive plays, the only reason we lost the game was because we don't have Vlad Guerrero. Nobody stepped up to the challenge when the opportunities were there.
Thanks to Bradley and Crosby for the 5 games.
See ya on the DL, biatches!
by OaktownRajah on Apr 6, 2007 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh no,
you're going on to the DL too?
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I get into the booth like Kotsay?
by OaktownRajah on Apr 6, 2007 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you hit .260 without much power?
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that is so then Kendall and Ellis are
gonna have great post baseball careers.
by OaktownRajah on Apr 6, 2007 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't leave out Dan Johnson
One of these days he'll hit .260 again.
by Nico on Apr 6, 2007 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe for the Rivercats...
by OaktownRajah on Apr 6, 2007 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If DJ can handle the mic better than a bottle of
sunscreen, the future is bright...
by OaktownRajah on Apr 6, 2007 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it didn't seem to me that Bradley's injury
was that serious. Apparently he could have played today, they just decided to play it safe. as for Crosby, I over him and his injuries. I no longer care if he's on the DL or playing.
by larrysgurl on Apr 6, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley seems to know his body.
It's irritating in some ways but he does seem to be able to come back quickly. Maybe that's because he sits when he's hurting instead of playing through it.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he knows his body so well that he got chubbier nt
by fadedash on Apr 6, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't look that much bigger to me.
How much weight did he gain?
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 6, 2007 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know exactly
but i noticed it on opening day, and plenty others have as well.
looks like he got a gut and his face is a bit chubbier
by fadedash on Apr 6, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only one I noticed was Kielty
by rebus on Apr 6, 2007 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come back quickly?
Last year when he sat out with shoulder soreness he ended up on the DL.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huzzahs for Melheuse!
He deserves to play at least one more game this year.
by OaktownRajah on Apr 6, 2007 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Phenomenal Hitter who can't be pitched around
.. as Fosse commented in the booth, you really can't pitch around Vlad. You either decide to pitch to him, or you intentionally walk him. He can hit it out even if you don't throw strikes. So either walk him on purpose, or take your chances and pitch to him, but you cannot pitch around him.
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Geren chose to pitch to him...
using the worst pitcher on the roster. Mistake? Well, I guess you know my opinion.
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 7, 2007 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of Teams have made that "mistake"
.. that is why he has the nickname BadVlad .. hehe .. we'll get'em today I hope ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bright Sides...
only their best hitter beat us, it wasn't some Reggie Willits or Quinlan now that would be annoying.
Kennedy pitched strong, in fact, better than Gaudin, against a lineup that hits lefties much better than rights.
At least one Jay pitched well, just a lot to late.
Calero, Duke, and Street are rested for tomorrow, can't say the same for Speier, Shields and K-Rod.
Haren has a lot of hair and he likes Sanjaya to win it all.
by OaktownRajah on Apr 7, 2007 2:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy vs. Zito
Kennedy may not work out but he pitched better than Zito did...at a slightly lower cost per inning.
by ptbarnum on Apr 7, 2007 6:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
slightly lower cost per inning?
.. hehehe ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think We Can Beat the Halos .. IF ..
.. we can get healthy and find a miracle formula to stay healthy enough to put a competitive lineup out on the field most of the time ..
Right now I am much more concerned with all the injuries, than with whether the A's are going to hit with RISP or not. This lineup, when healthy, is plenty potent to get the job done .. If Oakland can put their "A-Team" on the field enough of the time this year, they will win plenty of games, - and YES I think the best starting offense of Oakland can surely beat LAA .. If Oakland keeps having to put their 'C' or 'D' team as with last nite (Friday), well .. it can be a long and disappointing season -- let's hope the former, the 'A' team, will be able to play the maximum games possible.
The bench does look better than last year, and there are players with MLB experience now playing in Sacramento, who did well in Spring Training, who can help out if needed .. remember D'Angelo Jimenez? They mentioned this on pregame, that one of the priorities had been to get a deeper infield backup. Antonio Perez did not clear waivers and is back in Sacramento as well. The news with Kotsay is good so far, keep your fingers crossed - as, I think we need him back in the lineup ASAP - because Milton, as talented as he is, is {like Crosby} fragile and one never knows when he is going to have some glitch or oblique or whatever that takes him out for good chunk of time ..
.. as much as many of y'all seem to object {and I understand your frustrations}, we may need DJ back as well .. for the reasons discussed, here, - our need for depth on the roster in case people go down .. and the news with DJ is, as with Kots, good so far ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 7:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the above comment
If we can just stay right at .500 until our guys get healthy, we should be okay. We have the pitching to get hot late in the season and nobody in the division is really good (I think the Angels will get beat up in non-AL west play). We just have to stay afloat for a month or two. It will be tough.
by baseb3383 on Apr 7, 2007 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very Right On, and you know, btw ..
.. the Angels offense, outside of BadVlad, really doesn't look that threatening .. if you can keep Vlad and Garrett Anderson from taking you deep with men on base {the way Vlad did last night}, and if you can control their "mad" running game, their offense really doesn't scare anyone ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as opposed to our offense which frightens
opponents far and wide!
by Bacon on Apr 7, 2007 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
{i think} it is better than the Angels ...
.. if we can get healthy and stay healthy enough to put the 'A-Team' out on the field .. that was my point in few posts above ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure we can compete offensively with the
Angels even if we get those silver sluggers, DJ and Booby back.
by Bacon on Apr 7, 2007 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you an angels fan?
.. sure sound like it .. no offense ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No (no offense taken). I just don't hold our
offense in high regard (which outside of AN, isn't heresy). That being said, I think we'll be competitve as long as the pitching is strong.
As a side note, the creator of AN (blez), predicted the anges to win the west in '07.
by Bacon on Apr 7, 2007 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH i'm not saying we're Chicago, Boston, NY ..
.. or Cleveland .. we don't have potent offense for sure .. I'm only saying I think our offense is better than the Angels, at least our uninjured or healthy 'A-Team' is better offensively. The key to the Angels is not letting BadVlad beat you all by himself, and keeping their craziness on the bases under control. If you can do that, they are very beatable imho ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood. If that were the case, I'd think you
were insane (which I don't). I just happen to disagree that the A's are better offensively than the Angels. They've got some solid hitters (Hillenbrand, Figgins, Anderson, Cabrera, Matthews) and highly rated young guys (Kendrick, Kotchman) that complement Vlad very well.
Other than Milty, I'm not sure who's injured that's an offensive stud.
by Bacon on Apr 7, 2007 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK here's my breakdown (opinion) ..
- Cabrera and Matthews are average .. Matthews had a career year offensively {last yr} that won't be repeated no matter how much money he is being (over)paid ..
- Hillenbrand is not as good a DH as Piazza. I watched Hillenbrand last yr with the Giants and he didn't impress ..
- Figgins is a threat only when he gets on base; he isn't a good hitter, his "offensive threat" is when running the bases ..
- Kendrick and Kotchman, I agree, have a lot of potential; jury still out on them ..
- I did not say the A's have "offensive studs" {although if you read Tim Brown's column you find that the A's have manifest more power (HRs) than the Halos the past five seasons}
- What I am saying is, I think the A's lineup when healthy is better than theirs offensively; but we'll see. I sure hope Crosby's back won't keep him out of the lineup too much this yr.
- Shannon Stewart has been a nice addition, and as I have said in several comments here, I think our bench is better this year.
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting points, although you seem to be over
inflating our guys (Crosby/Stewert/Kotsay) and underinflating their guys (Figgins/Matthews/Cabrera).
If Matthews and Cabrera are "average", what does that make of Crosby and Kotsay (considering the former duo's best years our better than the latter duo's)?
As far as kendrick goes, he's te real deal (not so sure on Kotchman).
by Bacon on Apr 7, 2007 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Kendrick is the key
WIth Anderson experiencing a health resurgence, Kendrick gives the Angels two offensive threats (Vlad, Kendrick) plus a professional hitter/RBI guy in Anderson. That being said, I like a healthy A's lineup a little better due to balance 1-9, but I like the Angels rotation better. Good pitching beats good hitting; thus slight edge Angels in a tight race. Injuries could make the race not tight; that's why it's all about hanging in there right now for Oakland.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to Say, regarding predictions ..
.. Blez made his prediction based on superior pitching of the Angels, not offense ..
As a side note, the creator of AN (blez), predicted the angels to win the west in '07.
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moot point. Just pointing out that his predicting
the Angels to win the west doesn't make him an Angels fan (just as my saying the angels are better offensively doesn't make me an A's hater).
by Bacon on Apr 7, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but I believe blez said in another post that
.. the way the A's could beat the Halos is by outscoring them. {i think} it was blez who replied to me in a post and commented that the Angels might have one of the worst offenses in the AL this year .. blez forgive me if i'm misquoting you but i'm pretty sure you said that ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also think we can beat the Angels by outscoring
them and outpitching them (along with every team in the majors).
by Bacon on Apr 7, 2007 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
usually the best pitching wins ..
.. hence blez picked the angels .. but {i think} he was saying in his post to me, that if we concede their edge in pitching, we still might outscore them .. which to me implies that blez thinks we the athletics, have the better offense .. the discussion here is about who has the better offense .. it's OK to differ, hehe .. it would take me a longtime {if ever} to find that post using the search facility but I'm pretty sure it was blez - he can rebut this if I am wrong ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the A's have the better offense under
two conditions:
- The A's need all of their players to be healthy which they're already having issues with.
- The Angels youngsters like Kendrick and Kotchman don't take mammoth steps forward.
Otherwise, I think both offenses are average at best, but the Angels have the slight edge if both of these two hold true. The A's can NOT lose Milton Bradley for any extended time. He's clearly the team's offensive cog right now.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Apr 7, 2007 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to add, given the commentary,
that I don't think Geren erred in using Witasick last night. The A's were trailing and Embree/Calero/Duke/Street had all pitched the day before and can't be used every single game that is close. Had the game been tied, Geren would have had an interesting dilemma around those four. But with the team trailing, only DiNardo, Witasick, and Marshall made sense. And sadly, Witasick, right now, is the highest up of the three on the depth chart--plus DiNardo was more for long relief in the 4th or 5th.
Geren has to use the roster he has and Witasick was the right choice. He just sucks, unfortunately.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 8:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed nico, and I have to wonder ..
.. I know Scot Shields has a "rubber arm", and apparently K-Rod does too {although his mechanics sure look terrible} -- and I never wish for injuries to any ballplayers, not even on the opposition -- but the Angels overuse those guys sooooo much, one wonders when the laws of physics {or, the baseball gods} are gonna catch up to them? ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they wont, probably
break down, that is. they've been doing it for the past few years and you haven't really seen any signs of them breaking down yet.
and even if they do, they still have justin "i am officially a badass" speier to fill in whenever.
hopefully the angels will be dumb enough not to trade KRod during his FA year...
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speier is so good
he can magically extend the outer portion of the strike zone.
by mikeA on Apr 7, 2007 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fade, you may be right, but i still think ..
.. the angels are "pushing the envelope" with those two guys .. one of these days the bubble may burst .. i'm just sayin .. :)
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way the bubble has burst
with our broken players?
Sure, some day, K-Rod and / or Shields may get injured, but that is true of any pitcher. Or even any athlete.
by rfloh on Apr 7, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if Shields is already feeling it
he doesn't look as dominant as he normally does. And eventually all those innings have to catch up to you.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Apr 7, 2007 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, what?
how has he not looked dominant?
4.1 IP, 1 H, 5 K, 1 BB
what more could you ask for?
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it takes time?
.. for the intuitive things Blez and Oakgal are observing to show up in his stats? .. and maybe Scoscia will realize this too and backoff a bit with his usage? Did anyone notice last nite he warmed up {i think speier started the inning}, - then sat, then got back up when Scoscia wanted him to relieve speier? I know he has a "rubber arm" and all, but doesn't that take its toll? Not only has he been used a lot already this year, but the warming up, then sitting, then warming up again .. i just wonder ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed the same thing.
I think his arm looks a little more tired than I remember.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 7, 2007 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are some players
I wish injuries on. Let's say a certain relief pitcher who doesn't have an ounce of class in his rosin-soaked body.
There I said it. May I be damned.
by SportySpice on Apr 7, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, Geren's hand was forced
The bullpen basically held one available right-hander last night, or in Witasick's case, one-half of a right-hander.
I still contend that it's unfair to expect Jay Witasick to pitch like somebody who's seen a baseball before, because that's just not his game. His game is to be the "player-to-be-named-later" guy in the organization.
All that said, it was infuriating to see the mop-up guy go into a high-leverage situation. You can replace a league-average-to-below guy like Witasick fairly easily-- at the very least, we could call up somebody from Sacto and keep hope alive during whatever struggles they may have that there's upside to them. Witasick is a known quantity/non-entity. I guess this underscores how important it is to get Loaiza back so we can have Gaudin pitch in important spots.
And if Gaudin stays in the rotation... that would give us three bullpen lefties, when it's generally a luxury to carry two. Someone would have to get moved, and it would be interesting to see who...
by Joey C. on Apr 7, 2007 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given Beane's reluctance
to pay for interchangeable parts, I'm surprised he's willing to pay Witasick 7 figures to do a job easily replaced by someone far cheaper--including Halsey, and probably about a dozen available journeymen.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The only reason I can think of as to why he insists on paying Witasick for baseball-related duties is because the best candidates for getting called up are Windsor, Komine, and Halsey. Windsor and Komine are still trying to make it as starters/swingmen, and Halsey is just another lefty in an organization whose cup runneth over (Embree, DiNardo, Marshall, Kennedy, Halsey, Flores, etc.). Witasick's replacement probably should be another righty (barring a Kennedy-for-some-righty-schmuck-trade or what have you).
I personally would like to see Santiago Casilla get a shot, or failing that, Marcus McBeth (he's probably too unseasoned). But basically, any option has to be better than Witasick, and I'm not saying that because he served Vladdy a fat one last night; I'm saying that because of his sub-woeful track record.
by Joey C. on Apr 7, 2007 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Normally Reluctant to be Critical ..
.. of our players .. but I agree, it seems the A's have given Witasick plenty of chances and he seems to fail more times than not ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's usually a sucker around
in June or July whose fans are blaming every loss on a thin bullpen, and who will be willing to take on a "proven, veteran reliever who knows how to pitch."
If Witasick were a lefty, there'd be no question that he'd be tradeable. But I still think that Beane expects he'll be able to dump Witasick somewhere if he wants/needs to.
by Nick on Apr 7, 2007 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy got lucky
The Angels were swinging at a lot of bad pitches. For a stretch, Kennedy wasn't even getting the ball to the plate, but eventually the Angels got sick of not being able to swing and started chasing the pitches that came within five feet of home plate. Kennedy's line, to me, can be attributed to the lack of discipline by LAAAAAAA.
by JediLeroy on Apr 7, 2007 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed--this was a case of
"good numbers pitching that way this time"...Kennedy needs to actually pitch better next time in order to succeed.
Tonight's game may come down to Lackey--if he is dominant, as he can be, the Angels can win tonight and have a rested pen for Sunday. But if the A's can get Lackey out in 5-6 innings, LAA is in trouble as the bullpen tonight is a Carrasco-Oliver vs. Calero-Duke-Street affair.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Bob Geren
Even in defeat he's positive. Why he didn't call for a walk of Vlad, I don't know. He's still learning I guess. I hope they crush stupid Sling Blad Lackey tonight. Go A's!
by A'sfansince1970 on Apr 7, 2007 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What I love about Geren so far
is Ellis trying to bunt for a hit in the 7th yesterday, Chavy stealing third (had it stolen) during that AB, A's going first to third aggressively--while still maintaining a basic "work the count, don't run into a lot of outs" approach. I think that versatility and resourcefulness will pay off in spades and will neutralize the occasional bullpen-use mistake--which is often just a matter of opinion anyway.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen have you noticed folks tend to argue
bullpen usage and strategy only in games we lose? Hehehe ..
I think that versatility and resourcefulness will pay off in spades and will neutralize the occasional bullpen-use mistake--which is often just a matter of opinion anyway.
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, what would have upset me
is if Geren managed like a fan and put a front-line pitcher in yesterday just because we really like beating the Angels. Pitching Witasick in a one-run game may feel like throwing in the towel, but if Witasick is who you have behind Calero-Duke-Street, then that's who you throw. I would have done the same thing.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right On, and with a little luck we still might
.. have won that game .. gosh we aren't call fanatics for nothing, we are passionate and want out boyz to win, hence the tendency toward over-analyzing when we lose ..
Pitching Witasick in a one-run game may feel like throwing in the towel, but if Witasick is who you have behind Calero-Duke-Street, then that's who you throw. I would have done the same thing.
I still say the Angels may pay someday for the way they (over)use K-Rod and Shields .. laws of physics and all ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mediocrity can be an ally
In a division where vanilla is the new chocolate, from what I have seen early, the A's are going to be A-OK.
Why? Well, our pitching staff looks like they will live up to early expectations. Even if one or two of the starters float on and off the DL, Gaudin and Kennedy have shown that they are going to be able to provide serviceable starts.
We are not always going to have Crosby/Kendall/Bradley/Kotsay on the bench in a game like that, and I like our chances in low-scoring affairs. This offense has shown early that it is quite capable...with the exception of Eric Chavez, who still, in this humble bloggers opinion is the second coming of Brooks Robinson with the glove and Bob Uecker at the plate.
So, as long as we can tread water, we have a chance to be Kate while we watch Leonardo turn blue and sink to the bottom.
by since72 on Apr 7, 2007 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And as for Bradley,
official word is that "he would have played last night if it had been a regular-season game".
Wait, that doesn't work anymore...
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just occured to me.
What if Bradley goes on DL, now or before Kotsay returns? I think I read that Bocachica can't be called up until May 15th, since he was dropped from the 40 man roster. Does that mean we are a tweak away from the return of Two-Buck Chuck? Yikes.
by EastCoastA on Apr 7, 2007 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All-Faiths Prayer Vigil for Bradley ..
.. and Crosby, and Harden, and .. {g} ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously Though, that is why i think ..
.. {as much as some fans don't like to hear it} .. the return of DJ, sooner than later, might be a boost to the team .. Swisher can play backup CF but Todd Walker at first {on a regular basis} is a defensive liability ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walker and DJ
defensively is the same thing.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ is no defensive whiz
but I think he's better than Walker
by OaklandSi on Apr 7, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again?
I'll ask you again - have you ever watched Walker play first before??? I have - he's just as good as DJ defensively. DJ is terrible at digging balls out of the dirt, and is average at fielding ground balls. Walker, at worst, is his equal defensively.
He's a horrible defensive second baseman because he has no range. That's not a problem at first with Ellis playing second.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever is right ..
.. {maybe neither,-we may never know for sure} .. in any case, DJ's return would give us more options with the roster and lineup ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
and, right now at least, 1B defense is pretty low on the worry list, IMO.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've watched him play
first and second base. He is in MLB because of his bat, not his glove...and I'm far from the only one who says that.
by OaklandSi on Apr 7, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for having a bat on the bench
.. if we can keep Walker on the 25-man roster .. it will be interesting to see what the roster looks like when DJ and Kots return .. particularly DJ, as I have wondered what the A's plans are for him ...
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
during spring training I argued
for having one bench spot specifically for the bat, rather than for defense. that was my argument for keeping Durazo (it certainly wasn't for his glove). So I would see Walker in that role.
by OaklandSi on Apr 7, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
we don't disagree, but he has been a SECOND baseman his whole career. Last year when Derek Bell was injured was the first time he played extensively at first, on a daily basis (I realize he played some there for the Red Sox). Also, I never claimed he was in the majors for anything other than his bat. What I continue to disagree with you on is that DJ is better defensively. You think DJ made the majors for his glove? NO, and I'm far from the only one who says that. The only thing we continue to disagree on is whether DJ would represent a defensive upgrade at first over Walker.
I never claimed Walker was a defensive wiz so I'm not sure where the "he's in MLB because of his bat, not his glove" came from. All I said was that he is at least as good defensively as DJ.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's interesting
I agree that DJ is in the majors for his bat (so far unproven at the MLB level). He also is not the best defensive 1B option for the A's (Swisher is better). We disagree on DJ vs. Walker at 1B. Walker -- being a veteran -- has had many, many more criticisms of his defense (mostly at 2B) in his career. I thought DJ handled 1B better than Hatteberg, who with lots of work became decent, not great, there.
But in any event, this is certainly not one of the A's major concerns.
by OaklandSi on Apr 7, 2007 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that DJ is better defensively
than Walker at 1B; I'd rate DJ as "average" and Walker as "a bit below average". If nothing else, DJ just has a lot more experience at playing 1B.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walker
below average at second, at first, or just overall? What about his play last year at first didn't you like? Playing defense at 2B is a lot different from playing defense at 1B.
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will agree
that DJ is preferable to Hatteberg. :-)
It would be nice if the A's were healthy enough that the disagreement was irrelevant (maybe it is anyway).
by IndianaAsfan on Apr 7, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More likely, a tweak away from
an OF of Kielty, Swisher, and Buck full-time, Walker at 1B full-time. Which sucks, by the way, both offensively and defensively. That's the OF/1B of a 70 win team.
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Crosby can come back
I really hope that Crosby can come back. I fear with his violent swing that his back will never be healthy I hope I am wrong
by 3Chavy3 on Apr 7, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offensively The Angels have an edge.
But not a big one. We have a good pitching staff and bullpen if we are healthy. So do they...so I would say that this division is going to end up close as usual. Of course it depends on health for both teams but that's true of any team. Isn't it? Well, Maybe not the Yankees since they are able to buy replacements. But of most teams it's true.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 7, 2007 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They have an edge right now
IF their young guys produce. They don't have the power of our lineup though. I think that is where our offense could be balanced and dangerous; Swish, MB, Chavez, and Piazza are all 30+ HR threats. Crosby can hit 20+ if healthy, and DJ can certainly hit 20+ in a full season as well. We just need to get those guys back. And everybody seems to be willing to criticize Kotsay for his hitting, but he's a very good hitter over his career average wise, as is Stewart. Who knows, with Kotsay healthy, he could really come on the second half. He's been playing hurt for the past 2 years.
by baseb3383 on Apr 7, 2007 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MB isn't really a 30+ HR threat
And it's not like the Angels are at full strength.
I'd take Juan Rivera over any of our injured players. Him and Chone are probably more valuable to that team than Kotsay/DJ are to this team.
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, looking at his stats
I misspoke about his power. He will probably hit around 25 HRs or so with a full season; but he certainly has shown flashes of being able to go for 30+ (especially in his season with the Dodgers in '05). If he gets 550-600 at-bats, he could certainly come close.
by baseb3383 on Apr 7, 2007 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Chone is hugely overrated. He's fast and can steal bases, but he's just not a good hitter, especially at the positions he plays (OF and 3B). There are better alternatives out there. Juan Rivera though, is a stud. I would love to have him, I'm sure any team would.
by baseb3383 on Apr 7, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's more
they also have a LOADED farm system that gives them the option of upgrading a weak area. Whether they choose to do that or not, come deadline time, is a different story, but at least they have that option.
The A's don't.
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, true but when?
.. when are they going to make a move? They keep turning down trade offers from other teams because they don't want to give up any of those hot prospects .. or so it seems .. {i think} in part because most other teams are after the angels young pitching ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
that's the thing. They have the option of doing it, but it's just a matter of whether or not they will.
I'm sure they'll use Rivera's return (which occurs in July, I think) as their "offensive pickup" and then sit pat.
I don't blame them for not wanting to trade Kendrick/Santana (which was the ManRam rumor I remember) or Wood , but they could afford to move some package including Kotchman/Morales/Aybar.
Furthermore, if Adenhardt is lights out in the minors, they may even be able to gamble big and trade someone like Colon or Escobar for a bat and then bring up Adenhardt. I don't see them trading Adenhardt for a bat.
And then there's KRod that can be dealt next year...
A lot of options for them, if they ever feel like improving that offense immediately.
by fadedash on Apr 7, 2007 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with a lot of what you wrote Baseb.
But not about DJ. If he could do it he would have. That's why he is not with the team. Coulda woulda shoulda. As for Kotsay ..who is to say that he will ever be back healthy? Backs are very tricky. I am not hanging my hopes on him. Chavez? He needs to know when to sit out . He hurts the team when he stays in there when he is not healthy. I hope he stays healthy. If he does then you're right. He's a HR threat. Crosby? he has yet to prove that he can be an offensive force on the team. I will believe it when I see it. But the Halos? They have young guys who can only get better and they have Vlad. That gives them the offensive edge.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 7, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ is a good hitter
He's consistently hit at every level up until his bad stats last year. There is no reason to believe he can't duplicate his success. He's not with the team because he is hurt; there is no doubt he will see regular time at 1B in a platoon with Stewart/Bradley/Kotsay/Swisher and Co. in the outfield and 1B when he is healthy. Kotsay will certainly be healthier than he was; he was in some major pain the last two years. Backs are tricky but he will be better. Back surgery is not as risky as it used to be, especially with his particular injury. Crosby has been a bust, but if he's healthy he will hit for power, no doubt about that. He's hit at every level and should continue. The Halos young guys for the most part aren't playing or haven't shown their true skill set yet. Kendrick has yet to show any power, even though he's a great raw hitter. Napoli has great power but can't hit for average. Most of their young talent is stifled behind guys like Garret Anderson, Maicer Izturis, and Orlando Cabrera, who just aren't very good hitters. Kotchman doesn't have much power either and isn't really a young prospect anymore.
by baseb3383 on Apr 7, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time Piazza
hit 30 hrs? In 2002. Crosby? If healthy?
Kotsay's career OPS+ is 100. Exactly league average. Which is pretty good for a CF, if he manages to reproduce that this season, but hardly very good.
Shannon Stewart's OPS+ is 107. Decent for a corner outfielder, again if he manages to reproduce that this season.
The problem is that what are the chances that either of them are going to be able to reproduce their career averages?
Since we are talking hypotheticals, one could argue that Vlad, GA, Napoli, Rivera, Kendrick, all could hit 30+ HRS.
by rfloh on Apr 7, 2007 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
Piazza has been a full-time catcher up until this year; I would expect his plate appearances to go up because he won't need much rest at all. If he plays around 140-150 games, and odds are he will, you will see him get about 550 at bats and hit a little over 30 HRs.
Kotsay is a great contact hitter, and if healthy I would expect him to hit around .290. His career OPS has gone down the last two years because of health related issues; otherwise, from his age, he should be hitting at around his career peak right now. I would expect him to hit at an OPS+ clip of around 110 when he gets back, which is in fact very good for a CF. Back surgery is a big deal, but when you consider that Kotsay was in such pain during the last two years that he could hardly get out of bed, I think we can safely say that despite the downsides of surgery he will undoubtedly be better off now.
Shannon Stewart, also a guy who is undervalued based on his health the last few years, is now finally healthy, should be at around his career OPS (he's only 33 and has had 7 seasons of 110+ OPS+, so he's a capable athlete).
Crosby cannot stay on the field. If he could however, I would expect him to show 20+ HR power. He did this in his rookie season and his minor league stats back this up. Same with DJ, more than capable of hitting for decent power based on his extrapolating his past performance and minor league statistics.
Garret Anderson has had two wonderful seasons ('02 and '03), a decent season (way back in '95), and a whole lot of mediocre seasons (OPS+ consistently at around 100). His most generous projection would be to post an OPS+ of around 105, and he is the Angels' cleanup hitter. He is a very overrated player, always has been. GA is well past his prime, and even then, he only surpassed 30 HRs once. He won't do it this year, and I expect him to hit maybe 20 HRs this year. Shannon Stewart is a far better option in LF based on his OPS numbers.
Napoli is very good. I would expect him to keep right at his OPS+ of 115 last season. His minor league stats seem to indicate that would be about right. Kendrick is also good, but has yet to show the prowess of hitting that he demonstrated in the minors. If he develops though, watch out, he will be a legitimate stud. He hasn't shown much power at the major league level yet. Rivera will be a dangerous hitter as well. The thing about Rivera though is he also hits for average better than most of our guys. He and Napoli are the two best hitters secondary to Vlad. Vlad is Vlad. But of those 5 you mentioned, I only see Napoli, Rivera, and Vlad as legitimate hypothetical 30 HR threats. Kendrick hasn't shown 30 HR power at any level yet, and only averaged about 1 HR per 60 at bats at the major league level.
by baseb3383 on Apr 7, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotsay in his 10 seasons
has only 3 seasons with an OPS+ of better than 110. Sure he could have OPS+ of better than 110 in his 30s, after back surgery.
Shannon Stewart is only 33? Not every player is a Julio Franco, or Bonds, or Clemens. I don't see how he was "undervalued" over the past 2 seasons, since he was awful the past 2 seasons. Lets be optimistic, and assume that he puts together a 110 OPS+ season, that would be good, but not great. Yes, it would be better than GA. But I mentioned GA as a HR hitter, not as a good baseball player. Stewart's career high for HRs is 21.
Until Crosby can play regularly, it doesn't matter how much potential or how much talent he has.
Piazza does not have to catch full time anymore, but he is also 38. More pertinently, his skills have declined somewhat, though I still believe that he is a very good player.
I only mentioned those 5 guys because hypothetically speaking they could hit 30 HRs, just as Crosby hypothetically could hit 20 HRs, and Kotsay hypothetically can be a good player again.
And a player with Kendrick's talent is more than just a possible HR hitter.
by rfloh on Apr 7, 2007 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players that play hurt
Are undervalued based on their statistical output. When they are healthy, they will perform better than what shows on the stat sheet for previous years. Take Eric Chavez, who played hurt last year. We all know what he's capable of doing when healthy (30+ HRs, .270 average). But he had a down year last year because of nagging injuries. Stewart is in the same situation. 33 is still an age within the peak production range (around 34-35 is when most hitters decline significantly), and Stewart is an above average athlete and hitter. He won't be a base stealing threat but we got him for his bat. We can at least count on him to be a little better than league average given his history. He's not a home run hitter, but he is a better overall producer than GA. And he's our 4th outfielder when DJ gets back. GA is not a home run hitter either; he hasn't hit more than 17 in years.
Piazza still hit 22 HRs as a 37 year old full-time catcher last year. I would say his bat is not in decline. This is a Hall of Fame bat we're talking about, regardless of position. He might regress a little, but he used to be anywhere from 30-40 HRs almost every year. He certainly won't need to take days off as a DH, and if he gets 550 at bats, with his HRs per AB ratio from last year, he will eclipse or be very close to 30 HRs.
Kotsay was way better than average when healthy, and he's still in his prime age wise, so I don't see any reason why he couldn't best his league average stats the last two years. He will be the healthiest he's been in years, so I'm optimistic about it. Crosby has already hit 20 HRs, so that's not a hypothetical. It's easily in the realm of possibility if he's healthy. Kendrick hasn't shown it yet. I realize he is more than just a HR hitter; based on his minor league stats, he's a guy that will hit .300+ and will average around 20-25 HRs a year, WHEN his power develops at the major league level. But, you are arguing the wrong point. You are saying he's a 30 HR threat this year, and there is no way you could back that up based on his statistical output thus far.
by baseb3383 on Apr 7, 2007 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a hypothetical that Crosby
can stay healthy. Crosby's career OPS+ is 88. It's a hypothetical to assume that he's going to be a useful player.
Piazza OPS+ by season, since 2001:
2001 : 150
2002 : 140
2003 : 124
2004 : 108
2005 : 103
2006 : 120
Players that are injured are not undervalued. If they are performing badly, whether due to injuries or not, they are bad players. Since you mention Chavez, his OPS+ last year was 106; it was also 106 in 2005. I'm NOT saying that Chavez is a mediocre player, I'm saying that being able to stay healthy is part of being an athlete.
by rfloh on Apr 8, 2007 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
another positive note from the game
an old friend (who has never really been a baseball fan nor understood why I don't think the game is boring) dropped in to visit during the game -- and finally began to get why I find the game so fascinating....even turned the game on the radio after leaving my house, then called after the game to exclaim how great the play by play was and asked if we could go to a game together sometime.
by OaklandSi on Apr 7, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
a convert!
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My season ticket buddy is
an earlier convert...I need to do this sometimes since most of my closest friends aren't baseball fans...
by OaklandSi on Apr 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight should be fun
I'm looking forward to tonights game (got field level tickets just past 1st base). I think we have a really good chance of winning it. Lackey threw a lot of pitches opening day against Texas. If he does that again against our (mostly) patient offense we should be able to get to their bullpen relatively early. If he has more control tonight and throws more in the zone, I still feel good about it based on how many hits we've been able to get the past few days. Hopefully we will get hits with guys on base, set up an early lead and get Haren the W.
Oh and I like how the MLB.com previews the Angels headline is "Angels look to take series against A's"... but um... it's a 4 game series and they both have 1 win. Wouldn't it be look for at least a split?
by drmmerchk on Apr 7, 2007 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And wouldn't the A's be looking
to take the series from the Angels? Because if the Angels are looking to win the series and the A's only want a split, can't both teams save arms by just awarding the Angels one win and only playing the other game?
by Nico on Apr 7, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I KNOW you just jokin but ..
.. we not givin them Halos NOTHIN, baby .. {g} .. they gotta earn every inch ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha well yes
Obviously you want to take the series... i just thought it was interesting that it was the headline before the 3rd game of a 4 game series. Even if they win tonight they might not take the series. :)
by drmmerchk on Apr 7, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See my post below ..
entitled, "Why the A's get no respect?"
i just thought it was interesting that it was the headline before the 3rd game of a 4 game series. Even if they win tonight they might not take the series. :)
Obviously the bigger-market "LA" Angels have been "anointed" for media love by the media darlings; let's go out and give'em a good ol' country whuppin !!
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, this could be Sept 28 and ..
.. the Angels are 2 games behind the A's for the division, with 3 games to go {against the A's} .. but MLB.com and ESPN would have headlines:
Angels Look to Sweep into AL-West Crown
.. we can't win any media love, 'cause we be smallish market .. or at least that is what I think is the problem ...
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the A's get no respect?
.. I just saw Fox game of the week, and on pregame both Kevin Kennedy and Joe Girardi picking the Angels .. fox, espn, all the guys picking the angels .. you'd think at least one guy would go out on a limb and give the A's a chance? You know, some times at least one guy might like to pick a team to do an upset? I wonder if anyone was picking the Tigers to win the AL crown last year? How much stock, if any, should we put in all these "predictions" and "sure picks"? I cannot prove it but I also think if you are a big market team like the Angels, then, if other things are equal, you will tend to get more media love than if you are smallish market ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That A-Rod.
Sooo unclutch.
by salb918 on Apr 7, 2007 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear all 12 of his cars
have automatic transmissions.
by jeepers on Apr 7, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironic coming from a user named Jeepers
by jubjub on Apr 7, 2007 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Comcast
I waited out the Extra Innings negotiations because I really did not want DirecTV, but maybe that's what I should have subscribed to. So far I've been told by two people that Extra Innings is on only 10 channels (even though games are listed as Game 11, Game 12, etc.). Those 10 channels overlap with the Center Ice package, with the hockey games taking priority. So until hockey is over, I'm going to get random baseball games. That's unacceptable.
And yes, Customer Service Guy, I know it's not your fault, but you didn't calm me down by saying things like, "There are 162 games in the season" and "There's a lot more baseball." Argh. Obviously I am calling you because I want to watch lots of baseball.
Sorry, I just needed to rant.
by day-to-day on Apr 7, 2007 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
S'Ok you can rant with us .. we hear ya
.. lotta love and comfort aimed to Nobody Girl .. :)
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same issue
I haven't seen an A's game yet and there's a hockey conflict tonight and they appear to be the only game NOT on the schedule for tomorrow. However, I take solace in knowing that there are only a couple of hockey games left and the season ends Sunday.
So, while Hockey's second season (playoffs) will run into August or something like that, at least they won't be blocking our precious A's.
by jubjub on Apr 7, 2007 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Thomas we miss ya ..
... I noticed on Yahoo GameChannel he just hit a grand salami down in Tampa Bay .. {g} ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 4:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE: Bradley in the lineup tonite
.. and KenKo says they don't think Crosby's problem is that serious .. he could even possibly play tommorrow ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 7, 2007 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs























