So Embarrassed in Seattle
by Josh @ Athletics Nation on Apr 4, 2007 12:20 AM PDT
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I am one of the biggest A's fans living in a city full of the biggest bunch of douchebag (for the lack of a better word that would otherwise have me banned from AN) fans in the world.
I wear an A's Jersey every time I step into Safeco field when the A's are in town (and sometimes when they aren't).
I have had to put up with M's fans talking shit to me for the past two days.
It needs to stop. I hate Seattle fans and feel about as low as I can. I will be at Safeco again tomorrow and need things to change. Enough of Crosby. Enough of Calero.
Get it together and beat the most cheese-dick team in MLB. Please.
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Cheese-dick M fans
Relax. It's impossible for a Mariner fan to talk shit. They've never won a championship. They've never won a pennant. And they've won the division, what, twice? Just hold up a 4 and let them figure it out. That usually shuts them right the hell up.
You feel as low as you can? I HATE losing the first two games also, but you've got to be fucking kidding me.
Douchebag and cheese-dick are absolutely perfect adjectives to describe the Mariners and their fans, so A+ on that one.
by NewPosterMojo on Apr 4, 2007 1:52 AM PDT reply actions
Maybe you've had bad experiences,
but I've never met the Mariners fans of which you speak.
My experience, though limited to Lookout Landing and East Bay NRAFs, is that Mariners fans are knowledgeable and kind. I'll take them over fans of almost any other team in baseball.
"Knowledgeable"?
Even my glasses aren't that rosy. The majority of us are pretty stupid.
Yeah, but Seattle fans
Are generally stupid in a harmless, 'We love Willie Bloomquist, why isn't he getting playing time over that scrub Lopez?' sort of way.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 4, 2007 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
everybody has that disease at some point, ex:
We love Marco Scutaro, why isn't he getting playing time over that scrub Crosby?
wow... NRMFs...
pronounce that one
Rhymes with "earmuffs".
I herder the first time.
I thought Brewers fans were the cheese-dicks...
or is that Packers fans?
This guy is probably right...
to include douchebags with cheese-dicks. Because, you know, cheese probably isn't the most sanitary substance in the world...
(<bAnNeD!>)
I think it explains a lot...
Ha!
I havent heard ol cheese-dick in a while. Nice one.
Worst fans ever...?
i'll start with white sox fans (at the coli, of course). they seem to ooze crazy agro i-will-fight-you-if-you-say-a-bad-thing-about-A.J.
yankee/r. sox fans. they just take over the coli making getting a beer and preztel damn near impossible. i stay away.
halo fans. though i know a few and we get along, put them in large groups and the obnoxious really comes out. it is fun going to anaheim and being that green and gold spot in a sea of red, though.
giants fans. "okay, i've got my laptop, phone, and chardonney. ready to be seen now. is barry up yet? no? nevermind. pugum's, get me a refill of this fine napa label, please."
M's fans on the other hand seem rather self-deprecating and conscience of their suckiness-to-talent ratio. well, at least jeff is. i get a kick out of LL. this year though, the M's might have an advantage in the talent part of that ratio.
can't wait to get up to safeco to represent the east bay and get a better idea of whatever the hell is i'm talking about.
by Kid Hyphy on Apr 4, 2007 8:23 AM PDT reply actions
Got to agree with you...
I was at the game last night and, with the exception of the guy a row up who was yelling Crosby slurs all game, everyone was, to paraphrase a NY Times article a few years ago, pathologically polite. Maybe not always the most knowledgeable or passionate fans in the world, but they compare not to Halo, Yankee, and Red Sox fans. There was plenty of green and gold in the stands last night and no one seemed to mind.
by PDXAthleticsfan on Apr 4, 2007 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Hate to say it
but more than once I've seen some very bad behavior from A's fans towards fans of other teams. Every team is going to attract a few jerk fans.
I sat with a Mariners-fan friend at the Coli,
late in a 2003 game while Seattle was ahead by something like 13 runs... and some A's "fan" guys behind us were chanting at him, "How many rings do the Mariners have? How many rings do the Mariners have?" He just turned around and went, "Dude. Scoreboard."
I'm with the group saying,
"Huh? I'll take Mariner fans over most fans!" My image of Mariner fans is that they can actually participate on a rival blog with respect, humor, and objectivity, and on their own blog with humor instead of vitriol. As the existentialists say, don't let a few bad apples spoil Descartes. If the A's couldn't win the division, I'd want Seattle to take it. And hey, they're tied for first place!
Or as Crosby says,
"Oops, I'll try to kvetch the next one."
Seattle Fans
Well... being an A's fan in Seattle who is loud (but not obnoxcious) and who is vocal (but not vulgar), my experience with Seattle fans is they are milquetoast at best... yes, there are a few who can get under your skin, but at least they are working it.... try being an M's fan in the LF bleachers in Oakland!!! now that is a site to behold!!!
The usual "go back home" comments come out but nothing really of substance... I usually come back with "mix in a winner", to bait them to "well what about 2001???", which I come back with "well, what about 72-73-74, 89???? How many pennants have you won??? We have LOST more WS than you have played in!!!! Go back to snorting your magic dust".... that usually shuts them up...
by Ludawg6 on Apr 4, 2007 9:48 AM PDT reply actions
Like it or not, the reality is that
A's fans have, over the years, earned a not-so-good reputation by throwing cell phones at outfielders and engaging in Raiderfanesque drunken parking lot fights, and so on. Let he who is without sin cast the first phone.
yeah i was going to say
this guy wore a's gear in seattle and he's upset they've been "talking shit" to him for the past two days?
an m's fan would be lucky to escape the coliseum without being stabbed by some crazy raiders-types.
Sorry to disagree buddy,
but the only violence I've ever seen at an A's game was in the ALCS last year when the 'raider types'/bandwagon fans show up to games.
As a Raiders and A's season ticket holder, I can't take anyone seriously who thinks going to an A's game in another teams jersey is a dangerous experience. Unless you are running your mouth and being antagonistic everything is fine.
by SwisherSweet33 on Apr 4, 2007 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoa!
Seriously!
The only opposing team fans who run into trouble are the ones who show up WAY drunk and START trouble. Most of the time they show up with a GOAL in mind to get into a fight.
If a fan of another team shows up in there jersey, there is nothing wrong with that. We are all fans, we all should have the ability to watch our team play where ever. And good fans of the home team will respect that.
I have seen a few fights at the coliseum. Quite a few actually. But 9 times out of 10, it is because people have had one too many and don't know when to shut it!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Apr 4, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Furhtermore,
When's the last time you went to a Raiders game or did you just hear it on KNBR that Raiders games are dangerous.
You'd be surprised by how many kids and non-gangbanger types go to raiders games. You should try one.
by SwisherSweet33 on Apr 4, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
i would never go to a raiders game
because i don't need to pay a bunch of money to see a shitty football team lose, i can do so on tv for free.
but i wasn't talking about raiders games, i was talking about a's games. and i HAVE seen plenty of idiot gangster types dressed in raiders gear start fights at a's games over the years. i didn't see any fights last year, so maybe closing the third deck solved that problem...
Angel fans by far the worst of the lot . . .
in my opinion. While Yankee and Red Sox fans have knowledge and some history on their side, the Halos fans do not.
And for outright assholeness, Angel fans take the cake. I frequently go to Anaheim with my wife and two daughters (age 6 and 1) and every game there is at least one group of dumbasses who will yell things like "the A's fucking suck" or "Fucking Oakland sucks" or some other such obscenity laced comment - over and over again. It's one thing if I'm asking for it, but to say that without provocation where small kids are around is just ridiculous. Total douchebags and cheese dicks, to use your terms.
Another dissent
I'm another A's fan in Seattle, who also wears an A's shirt whenever the team is in town, and I think you're nuts. Mariners fans are great. Sure, every team has some douchebag fans, but I've been embarrassed by obnoxious A's fans far more often than I've been irritated by obnoxious M's fans.
Opening day tends to bring out a stupider and rowdier crowd than the rest of the season, so maybe you aren't getting a good sample. And they're all a little overexcited because it's the opening series and they've already beat us as many times than they did for the entire season last year, so give them a break.
Anyway, after only two games you're seriously overreacting. A's season doesn't really start until June.
Agreed. M's fans are perfectly acceptable.
I've been to Safeco more than the Coli, and have to say I don't have a problem with M's fans at all. Heck, any group of people who'll eat sushi at a ballpark aren't about to get all up ins just because you're wearing green.
Are there Seahawk fans that show up for opening day and behave like Spokanites? Sure. Are there Wal-Mart shoppers from Everett who'll turn out for a big game and pretend they're cool like Seattlites by yelling stupid stuff into your face? Yup.
But if you can't outwit those motards, then the problem lies not with them, but with you.
And not for nothing, but any insult is easily answered with "Wow, you guys finally figured out how to beat Blanton? Well done, sir. You've caught up to Tampa Bay."
Thanks for the support, but
don't be dissing Wal-Mart shoppers from Everett. I married one.
Sorry, I can't help it.
And Everett... well, hopefully you did her the favor of moving her elsewhere.
Go Aqua Sox!
Seattle fans
Deal with losing a whole lot better than we do.
Practice makes perfect?
:-(
I'd agree
by walk off bunt on Apr 4, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't deal with
Julio Mateo appearances very well though.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 4, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
What are you talking about?
Julio Mateo is a "wins" machine. The only better pitcher in baseball, arguably, is 16-game winner Joe Blanton.
Sometimes you just have to pitch
to the score. And you know, sometimes that just entails the losing score. And other times, your offense scores a lot of runs, so you can pitch really crappily to the score.
Pitching well and losing is for losers.
by walk off bunt on Apr 4, 2007 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait a minute.
You mispelled "wince" machine, didn't you, Nico?
Mariners Fans are Great!
I actually really respect them. Besides the fact that half my family lives up there and are Mariners fans, I have never met a Mariners fan that I didn't like.
When I went to Seattle last year, I had a wonderful time. Everyone there was super cool and only joked around with me about being an A's fan. (Other than the weirdo on the ferry who threatened to throw me overboard! I think he was trying to be funny, but he was just too weird to pull it off!)
I don't know who you have been hanging out with, but I think you need to move to a different section! Every stadium has their douche bags. I could even point a few out to you at the Coliseum. But I think that as far as fans around the league go, you can't find a more mellow group than the fans up north.
My suggestion, next time you are having issues with a Mariners fan, remind yourself that they make up only about 5% of the population, then get away from them as fast as you can. And if that doesn't work, just try and hang out with more A's fans. You are always safer in groups!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Apr 4, 2007 10:37 AM PDT reply actions
some of my best friends are Mariner fans
Senator, you're no Joe Kennedy!
<gets 2.4% of the vote>
Mariners fans are great!
Everybody should own one! <bANnED>
Sure you say that, McFood,
but will you walk him when it's pouring rain? 'Cause it rains a lot in Seattle.
You know what the funniest part is?
Of all the places where I've worn a shirt or jersey of the opposing team, the friendliest reception I ever got was from A's fans at Safeco. It was like, "hey green and gold! hey buddy! hey friend!" from complete strangers in A's gear.
The worst was probably when I wore Phillies gear at a Mets-Phillies series at Shea Stadium. No serious threats, but a LOT of trash talk from pretty much everyone there who had a mouth. And let me tell you, those New Yorkers, they have a lot of mouths.
I think there are some people at Safeco who can be really annoying to people wearing opposing gear -- but I think it's no more than at any other stadium, and yeah, usually it's because the people in opposing gear start something.
Sometimes, though, times like this week, it's hard trying to explain that I'm a Mariners season ticket holder who just happens to be in love with most of the guys on the A's roster. I guess it confuses people when I'll applaud a Richie Sexson Funk Blast and then immediately afterwards applaud a beautiful Eric Chavez dive to snag a grounder up the line.
Classic
I know Josh very, very well and I can make two definitive statements after reading this post:
- It was not typed sober
- He is way more embarrassed/dismayed/pissed off about the A's play than he is about the Seattle fans. The Mariners are just kind of a lame, boring franchise. Their fans really have no leg to stand on when it comes to talking smack to us, but the A's shitting the bed for 2 straight days has cracked that door for them. And Josh is feeling the heat.
J- Go get a frappo, put on some Pearl Jam and hang in there. Harden deals tonight (unless his arm flies off into the stands, then you can be a jumper like the rest of your city).
PS- If a different Josh wrote this, completely disregard everything I said.
My point . . .
. . . is exactly the point many of you are making (albeit very drunk and pissed off late last night).
It is not that I am intimidated by the cheese-dick, douchebag (but yes, often very nice) M's fans. I am just pissed at our team for giving these fans the right to talk shit to me.
They should not have this right.
Wearing my A's gear at Yankee Stadium during game 3 of the 2000 ALDS was scary. Safeco, I can handle.
Hopefully tonight I will be able to walk proud amongst the fans that two years ago hailed Scott Spiezio as the M's savior.
by Josh @ Athletics Nation on Apr 4, 2007 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
Thank you Tony . . .
. . . Obviously, you were right on. (See above)
After the reaction to my post on this site, I am now worried that it is my fellow A's fans who are becoming douchebags.
by Josh @ Athletics Nation on Apr 4, 2007 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
"Hailed Scott Spezio as the M's savior"?
Now you're just being insulting.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 4, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I know.
Sorry.
Frighteningly sad, but true.
by Josh @ Athletics Nation on Apr 4, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, you must of have met one of the what we like
call "John Q Mariner fans". If it makes you feel any better, we hate them too. Or at least I do.
Seriously, half of those idiots didn't even stand up and give Felix the standing O he deserved yesterday. Bunch of morons.
have to agree with the majority on this one.
as I've only encountered nice Mariners fans or at least respectable ones. Angels fans, on the other hand... the worst by far.
I see a trip to Anaheim in your future, Josh! have fun.
The title should be
an advice column signature.
Dear Abby:
The A's just lost two in a row to the Mariners. What do I do?
Embarrassed in Seattle
You Need A Sense of Humor To Be A Mariners Fan
Otherwise between the GM and the weather, you'd kill yourself.
You need a sense of humor
to be a BASEBALL fan.
"Fan-Orientation" is Obviously Genetic ..
.. thus how can you blame M's fans? Hehe .. {g} .. Seriously though, I think M's and Twins' fans are pretty respectable and mild ...
by Randy Bell on Apr 4, 2007 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
I have to agree with most of you
Mariner fans are generally very nice and respectful. You'll always fine asses anywhere, but when I was up there last year, I had no problems. Listening to idiot Angels fans last year wondering why the A's pitchers wouldn't serve one up to Salmon so he could hit a homer in his last at bat... now that was just sad. Ranks right up there with the idiot Indians fan (just one mind you) at Jacob's Field who tried to get me kicked out b/c... that's right, I had a ticket right behind home plate. I felt bad for the usher who looked really embarrassed.
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