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Operation "End The Radio Delay" - PLEASE PARTICIPATE!

Note: Some new contact info has been added, as of 1:47pm PDT

Folks, there is power in numbers and I’m asking for you to be part of taking action against a stupid policy CBS Radio intentionally puts on the A’s broadcasts as part of a general policy to guard against unwanted profanity and breast exposure—neither of which is a big risk when Ken Korach is at the mike. The only incentive for CBS Radio to pay attention to its listeners, the only incentive to actually change the policy is “losing money,” and so my mission is to make sure CBS Radio hears, as many times as possible, that this policy will lose them money.

I have provided a sample letter you can just cut and paste if you want, and I have provided contact info to mail, fax, or email those who need to be bombarded with correspondences. Please don’t let “someone else bother” to take action. Everyone who posts or lurks on AN has a chance to add to the numbers; if you agree the delay is stupid and unnecessary then help pressure CBS Radio on behalf of those whose experience—while watching on TV, watching at the game, or just wanting to hear what happens when it actually happens—is being significantly compromised. Thank you.

Dear A’s Radio Affiliates,

I am writing to express that the delay on A’s radio broadcasts is both unacceptable and unnecessary. There is no real risk of problems like obscenities, etc. being aired, and the delay utterly ruins the listening experience for fans who are at the game or who wish to listen to the radio while watching the game on TV. Much of your radio audience falls into one of these two groups.

The bottom line is this: By making the radio broadcasts unlistenable you are losing listeners and cheating your advertisers. If the problem is not rectified soon, I intend to forward a copy of this complaint to each of the A’s key sponsors to inform them that they are losing scores of listeners like me.

There is no need for this delay. It is forcing fans like me to stop listening—and that’s bad for everyone. Please do the sensible thing and allow fans to hear the game as it is actually happening.

Sincerely,

How to send your correspondence:

  Send a letter, or make a phone call, to:

CBS RADIO
1515 Broadway
New York, NY 10036

Karen L. Mateo
Vice President, Communications
(212) 846-7638

Whitney Pray
Communications Coordinator
(212) 846-3906

  Send a letter, fax, or email to:

KIFR 106.9 FM
865 Battery St., 2nd floor
S.F., CA 94111
attn: Jason Insalaco, Program Director

Fax number: (415) 403-8545

Email address: insalaco@sfradio.cbs.com

   Send an email to:

KYOU – 1550 AM

Email by going to www.kyouradio.com and clicking on “contact us”

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email sent! plus there's a bit about this on the

A's Drumbeat at SFGate.

"robots with way too much intelligence, this chick, a healthy Eric Gagne..." ~cutthemullet

by LAXile on Apr 3, 2007 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

profanity

I've heard fans using profanity coming over the radio broadcaster's mic many times despite the delay. Is this delay only intended to cover sounds in the broadcast booth?

by Hanky on Apr 3, 2007 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Probably--if they tried to bleep out

every fan profanity you'd be left with very little broadcast. The only purpose the delay can serve, realistically, is to bleep out Korach's propensity to say "ground ball to f***ing third base!" and Ray Fosse's occasional cries of "Get up!"

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Done.

I usually like to listen to the radio feed while watching the game on TV and was highly annoyed with the delay.  My only consolation is that this is not happening to Bill King...then I'd really be pissed, ooops, angry.

by mespinoza99 on Apr 3, 2007 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

BLEEEEEEP!

<12 seconds later> ...then I'd really be (a mite bit cross),

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another e-mail sent...

This morning I've also sent an e-mail to Ben Fong-Torres.  Most of you know him for his writing about the music world but he's also enthusiastic about radio in the Bay Area and writes a radio column every other week for the Chronicle's Pink section.  Please don't everybody do this; he's a reporter, not somebody to harass with complaints. Here's my letter:

Dear Mr. Fong-Torres:

I enjoy your "Radio Waves" column in the Chronicle and I would like to call an issue to your attention.

This season, it appears that the A's radio broadcasts are being transmitted with an electronic delay of about 17 seconds compared to the live action.  This, of course, completely ruins the broadcast for those of us who like to watch the game on TV with the TV sound muted and the radio broadcast on, not to mention the people who like to sit in the stands at the ballpark with earphones.

We believe that the delay is a result of corporate policy at CBS Radio to avoid broadcasting profanity.  (The games are on KIFR FM and KYCY AM, both CBS-owned stations.)  It just seems to me that the policy is ridiculous, a ton of prevention to gain an ounce of cure.  The result is to drive me, the listener, away from the radio broadcast.

When I've heard profanity on sports broadcasts, the source is almost always the players and coaches.  I would think that CBS could solve most of their problem by moving their field mikes far enough away from the dugout so the locker-room language wouldn't be picked up, and then they could give us back the live broadcast which is absolutely essential in sports radio.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this issue and I think those of us in Athletics Nation would really enjoy some coverage of this matter in your column.  The topic is open for discussion today at AthleticsNation.com:

http://www.athleticsnation.com/story...

Thanks for reading, and for any information and coverage you can give us!

Yours truly,

by Soaker on Apr 3, 2007 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Well done, Soaker

You and I think alike--my next step is to see if some of the local writers might be interested in this issue for a story; the more publicity the better as AN can only reach its readers. The step after that is to start contacting sponsors--but first CBS Radio has to be given the opportunity to choose to fix the problem.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Got a nice response from Ben Fong-Torres

Heh, sounds like he watches ballgames and does the mute the TV sound/listen to radio thing sometimes.

He says he's going to be talking to KIFR about some other issues and will bring up the A's delay with them also.

by Soaker on Apr 3, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good work, thanks!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank you!

thank you for bringing it up to him!

by uci anteater on Apr 3, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

screw that crap. Here in Fresno I can barely pick up the radio feed AND my cable is all jacked up (probably because I don't have cable and somehow the channels are coming through my antenna.. no joke).

I will send this email though. I always loved having the radio sync up with cable.

by Borbass on Apr 3, 2007 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey, if anyone can track down

the fax number and/or email address for CBS Radio headquarters in NY I'll add it to this post. I only have a mailing address for them and I know people are more likely to send a fax or email than a letter. I want to make everything as easy as possible for people.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 9:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I will send this via snail mail

I think it is more effective.
Thanks for the addresses.

People on the other end of e-mails often barely start to read before clicking delete, esp after two or three copies of the same message.

Opening the envelope creates mail that =has= to be filed, etc.  This has a more permanent effect IMO.

Apropos, I sent a letter complaining about a Fox ("fair and balanced!") radio station's on-air goofiness, rhetorically asking how the FCC (copy) could spend millions of dollars investigating a "bare boob" (skin! WE ALL HAVE IT!) while this particular station, blah blah blah.

Subsequently I received a form from the FCC to facilitate/initiate a report of  "On Air Obscenity"... as if that was what my letter was about!!!!!

"- J. Duchscherer relieved J. Duchscherer" per Yahoo! Sports Box Score

by One won lost won on Apr 3, 2007 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Sending letters now

This is ridiculous.

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Apr 3, 2007 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Baseball on Forum right now

Michael Krasney on Forum ( KQED) is hosting a baseball discussion right now..talk about opening day, baseball issues in general. 9-10 am

"Bill King wanted to beat the Giants...every day of his life" Korach and Fosse, SpringTraining, 3/14/07

by LongTimeFan on Apr 3, 2007 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

a's negatively depicted

apparently KQED invited the A's to take part on "forum" but they declined. Krasney kept repeating on and on how the A's ignored their requests while Larry Baer of the Giants was a guest.

by uci anteater on Apr 3, 2007 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Done.
"Look its either batman or batman and robin not robin w/o batman robin isn't sh@#."--cchefz71

by jeepers on Apr 3, 2007 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Done

Good job Nico! Keep up the good work!

Ben "The Party" Hall GO A's

by benhall2121 on Apr 3, 2007 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Done

snail-mailing to those two addresses, CBS Radio and KIFR ..

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 3, 2007 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Also sent email

Subject: Please End The Radio Delay
To: insalaco@sfradio.cbs.com

I'll try to do the online one to KYOU – 1550 AM

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 3, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I added this

"I also find Tom Leykis to be extremely offensive.  I’m sure he is generating plenty of revenue for your radio station but I truly don’t understand where he gets his bizarre views of women.  I find it ironic that you feel the need to delay baseball games but are perfectly happy to allow Tom to offend at least 50% of the population."  

(my opinion of course but I do think its ironic that they delay baseball but are willing to have a guy who openly calls females B**ch*s)

I tend to be lazy and often leave my radio on the A's station even when the A's are not playing.  So I was thrilled that we got an FM station, not so happy about Tom though.  He just seems so sophomoric.

by bkrawez on Apr 3, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Go to the FCC online

and register a comment about Tom Leykis and his remarks.  reports to the FCC have to be reviewed when a station renews its license.  You can make them very nervous by sending comments to the FCC.

"- J. Duchscherer relieved J. Duchscherer" per Yahoo! Sports Box Score

by One won lost won on Apr 3, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Not sure I want to make a big issue about this.  I just find it ironic how the world works these days.

by bkrawez on Apr 3, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Nico

I really hope we get some action out of this before the first home game. Is this a new policy, because I don't remember the 1550 broadcasts being subject to delay last year.

In the meantime, if you're watching at home and you have Tivo or some kind of DVR, you can probably synch up the TV broadcast with the radio delay.

If you're at the game, um, I don't know...Ritilin?

"At least he could have drawn a painting of Pierzynski being impaled by a unicorn or something."

by almostreggie on Apr 3, 2007 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

A little more good news

I received a private email from the Oakland Tribune, wanting to take this issue up as the lead story in the "media notes" column coming out on Tuesday. Well done, Tribune!

I do intend to seek other media coverage, but if anyone has direct/personal contacts please let me know--they may be better, in any given case, than what I have. Which reminds me...

HI SUSAN SLUSSER! ...  :-}

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Radio Delays

How long is the one the A's have implemented?

The campus radio station here in Davis has one at 8 seconds, more than enough time to catch some profanity if used.

They probably won't change it much since they have to avoid airing profanity at the expense of being fined by the FCC.

Doesn't the TV have a slight delay too...

UC Davis Athletics KDVS 90.3FM www.kdvs.org/streams.cfm

by Hit4TheCycle on Apr 3, 2007 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

The radio appears to be 12-14 seconds

behind the TV; sometimes it is about exactly one pitch. Last year, KICU (channel 36) did not have any delay while FSN had a slight delay due to the way the signal was transmitted (to Texas and back, IIRC). Not sure if any of that has changed this year.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

sent!

i sent an email to KFREE and KYOU. hopefully something gets done soon!

by uci anteater on Apr 3, 2007 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Does anyone know

if this lag applies to MLB Audio as well?

I haven't listened online yet this season, but I'm sure I will soon. Curious to know what sort of lag I'll have if I try to follow along with an open thread here.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Apr 3, 2007 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Good question; don't know, mdl

Let us know when you listen.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you on Spring Break?
"Bill King wanted to beat the Giants...every day of his life" Korach and Fosse, SpringTraining, 3/14/07

by LongTimeFan on Apr 3, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yuppers

Some call it Spring Break, others Passover, others Opening Day Week. 'Sall good!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of Opening Day...

Will you be at our game on Monday?

"Bill King wanted to beat the Giants...every day of his life" Korach and Fosse, SpringTraining, 3/14/07

by LongTimeFan on Apr 3, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, that's first day back to school--

I'm seen more at the park mid-June through Labor Day, found vegging in front of the TV on school nights. Hope we can catch some games together this year (weekends are always good, any time of year)...

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish I could

I can't get Gameday Audio to work.  The link I used last year gets redirected to a promo page asking me to subscribe.  The Gameday Audio link from the home page sends me to a promo page asking me to subscribe.  Every other audio-related link on the whole damn website redirects me to a promo page asking me to subscribe.

I'm already subscribed.  I know this because they billed my credit card without even asking and sent me an email thanking me for resubscribing.  But damned if I know how to get to the page with all the audio feeds.  The first question on the FAQ page is "How do I access my gameday audio subscription?"  The answer says go to the Audio menu and choose gameday audio.  Well, duh.  There actually isn't an Audio menu anymore, but there's an Audio & Video menu. When I choose gameday audio from that menu it redirects me to a promo page asking me to subscribe.

Am I just an idiot, or is this screwed up for everyone else, too? Has anyone actually gotten Gameday Audio to work this year?  If so, please tell me the URL to go to.

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Apr 3, 2007 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have You Tried the Multimedia Center?

Link:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 4, 2007 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Randy
That worked.  And I got the same answer in response to my email from MLB.com, too.

All last year, I went to "Gameday Audio", but this year the link to follow is the one that says "Multimedia Guide", which I never would have guessed.

They might have told me when they resubscribed me....

"...but we're also always open to hearing about other sandwiches if it can make our lunch better." -- Nico, channeling Billy Beane

by iglew on Apr 4, 2007 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, it was there...

I was chatting with a friend while listening to the game, and I had events relayed to me over two pitches ahead of when I heard it.

by calgbear on Apr 3, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

And XM also has a built-in delay

I think it has to do with some technical buffering issues involving satellite radio.  I checked the XM delay when they carried A's broadcasts in spring training and it was about 11 seconds, same as it has been the last two years.  That is putting XM ahead of KIFR/KYCY by several seconds, so I think XM must be getting the same live feed they have always gotten, and the KIFR/KYCY delay must be put on at the local level.

by Soaker on Apr 3, 2007 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

CBS Media contact

Links to the President/CEO of CBS Dave Mason and
executive staff
http://www.cbsradio.com/press_center...

Thanks to Karin for forwarding this.

"Bill King wanted to beat the Giants...every day of his life" Korach and Fosse, SpringTraining, 3/14/07

by LongTimeFan on Apr 3, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank you! Just added some of that info

to the post.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you shocked the monkey...

...right off the front page.  Where'd his entry go--Atlanta?

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Apr 3, 2007 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Close--look to your right...

No, your OTHER right.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh.

NeVERmind.  /followed by image of Gilda Radner as Roseanne Roseannadanna that justwon'tfarkinglinkgrrr.  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Apr 3, 2007 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sent emails...

have you actually called those people?

With the Oakland A's, the intravenous drip is always half full!

by OaktownRajah on Apr 3, 2007 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

No, I just got the numbers

Personally, so far I've emailed KIFR and sent letters both to KIFR and CBS Radio.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Rangers have this problem, too.

http://www.rangerfans.com/archives/2...

We've had it in Texas since last season.  The only time it affects me is when I listen in stadium.  When I listen to radio, I do just radio, I don't do the "Radio with TV" thing, so that's not an issue.

by Joe Siegler on Apr 3, 2007 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Just checked

I just checked with Chuck Morgan, the guy who does the in stadium stuff for the Rangers.  He said for 2007, the KRLD delay here in Dallas has been lowered to two seconds.  That's not TOO bad.  I've yet to try it out in person yet, I'll find out on Friday when the Rangers have their home opener.

by Joe Siegler on Apr 3, 2007 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you think the radio sponsors

feel about it? With most games televised and many fans preferring the radio play-by-play? Way to undercut your own advertisers just to make sure Vince Cotroneo doesn't expose his left nipple.

Actually, that might be worth it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

re 2 seconds,

I think we all could live with that, no problem. 12-14 seconds, no way. And no need.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT

Zito up to bat for the first time against Peavy. and.... he strikes out swinging.

With the Oakland A's, the intravenous drip is always half full!

by OaktownRajah on Apr 3, 2007 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Nico

Can you fix the Extra Innings situation, so I can see the A's on TV?

--one sad baseball fan

Now we have 6 or 7 months to enjoy, to cheer, cry, and scream both in frustration and happiness. ~china bob

by baseballgirl on Apr 3, 2007 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Sure, soon as you fix the you-know-who situation

so the game can actually go extra innings.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Demand and MLB are STILL talking

And all deadlines have been removed.  If EI goes exclusive to DirecTV it's there through 2013.  If it takes missing the first 10 or 15 games of this season to prevent that, it seems like a small price to pay.  Although, really, this should have been ironed out ages ago.

by Soaker on Apr 3, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Mario Savio - Put a Sock in It !!

This is one of the worst threads/posts in the history of AN.  Period - end of Story.

Most people on this website are totally dedicated to a baseball franchise that has a limited fan base, a limited market, a sub par stadium, and up until recently horrifically pathetic ownership.  But what trumps all of this - the fact that the A's gets no media love in the Bay Area.  Worse still, the inferior high end "private school" franchise across the Bay gets all the media love, including a 5 billion watt radio station which touts itself as the Sports Leader yet almost completely denies the existence of our professional sports franchise.

Much of the inferior media coverage is related the lack of a home base on radio.  Our flagship station during the past few years is seemingly different each year - going from country to oldies, to poorly signaled Christian radio, to poorly signaled gen X station in Concord which can't be heard in parts of downtown Oakland and downtown San Francisco.  

Seriously, it's been comedic and rather reminiscent of something from the movie Major League - you couldn't make this stuff up.  

So finally, we get ownership that wants to so something about the poor radio coverage - they go and bang out a contract with a major media outlet, that not only provides a powerful, clear signal - they do it on FM RADIO!!  And guess what?  Suddenly, the poor "inner city school" franchise has a nicer sounding signal for baseball games than the private school franchise across the Bay.  Ken Korach's pipes crackle and glisten across the FM radio and it's a beautiful thing.  A's fans should finally rejoice - we will never go without again while driving in our cars or in our backyards!

But no.  Too good to be true.  I open up AN today and see some severely misguided activism that so squarely punches our newly found radio gift horse right in the mouth, I practically wretch.  Organizing a letter campaign - with threats?  We will not to listen?  Boycotting advertisers?  What kind of nonsense is this?  

I implore anyone reading this to not send this POS form letter.  If you feel strong enough about the delays on radio broadcasts:  use the addresses, send the letters and suggest that they change their policy.  But unless you hate the A's, Lew Wolff, John Fisher and/or Billy Beane, I urge you not to threaten this radio station with non-listenership and advertising boycotts - this is offensive and is no way to treat the flagship station that our ownership group worked so hard to secure.  If you do write, feel free to compliment them and give thanks for finally giving us a big league station that allows to enjoy our team wherever we are.

"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Apr 3, 2007 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Mario Savio shacked up in my parents' house

during part of the Free Speech Movement era. True fact.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 3, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

While that's is interesting....

I wrote this hoping to stimulate a "re-think" of going drastic with our flagship station.  While FreeFM is not completely one-and-the-same with the A's/our ownership, it is an interest-aligned joint venture. And most A's fans deeply respect the current ownership  team.  Why not suggest an interim step  - why cut to the threats of sending letters to advertisers?

Is there merit to anything I have raised here?  

"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Apr 3, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anybody around here...

...heard from Sashulia?  I haven't seen him/er post since, like early January.  I kinda miss that gal/uy.  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Apr 3, 2007 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guy

And I still hate Kotsay!

"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Apr 3, 2007 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read it again

The only mention of boycotts, either of the advertisers or of the broadcasts, is in your post. What Nico actually says:

"By making the radio broadcasts unlistenable you are losing listeners and cheating your advertisers. If the problem is not rectified soon, I intend to forward a copy of this complaint to each of the A’s key sponsors to inform them that they are losing scores of listeners like me."

is very different than what you seem to think he is saying.

In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Apr 3, 2007 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

"If the problem is not rectified soon, I intend"

Very different than what I am saying?  No. it's not.  

"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Apr 3, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't feel like I would be "boycotting"

I'm telling the radio station that they have changed their product in such a way that it's no longer useful to me.  (I do listen in the car or at the beach sometimes where the delay doesn't matter, but the vast majority of my listening occurs in the living room with the TV on.)  And I think it's quite fair to let the radio station's real customers, the advertisers, know why I won't be receiving their message anymore.

The upgrade to a "major media outlet" (which KIFR really is not, it is way, way down the list in the San Francisco radio ratings) is not worth the price we're being asked to pay.  Sports has been broadcast on radio in real time for 80 years or so, a few naughty words have gone out along the way, but things have worked out OK.  All I'm asking is that CBS keep doing what has worked well enough for all those years.

by Soaker on Apr 3, 2007 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If I don't buy Coors beer because I don't like the company's politics, that's a boycott. If I don't buy Coors beer because I think it tastes like piss, that's something very different.

When the delay is more than a couple of seconds, it makes the broadcast useless to anyone listening while watching the game on TV (or at the stadium). Frankly, I have no idea what percentage of their audience that constitutes, but if it's a significant amount, I would assume they would want to know about it, and not be left wondering why they aren't getting the ratings they expected.

In the stands the home crowd scatters For the turnstiles

by andeux on Apr 3, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wrong again

Telling all of AN to write to the flagship station and demand that they change their ways, else the advertisers will be contacted, is very much in the same spirit of a boycott.  To say otherwise is splitting hairs.  

Who is saying that you shouldn't voice your displeasure to the radio station?  Not me. But I don't get the threatening part and believe it is in severely bad form. What's wrong with having some manners and appreciations for the good things  - so far, it's been a good product.  How many teams have FM signal?  I get signal in the Broadway tunnel and on the Waldo Grade. 1550 is barely audible in Marin.

"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Apr 3, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, well I'll politely disagree

Yes, we are trying to get the flagship station to change their ways.  We would like the station to do this voluntarily, but if not here's what will happen...we'll quit listening to the radio broadcasts and we'll tell the advertisers why we're doing that.

Nobody is threatening any action against the advertisers themselves.  That's where I think you're misusing the term "boycott".  A boycott is, "I am outraged that the A's radio broadcasts are delayed.  Motel 6 is sponsoring these broadcasts, so I am refusing to stay at Motel 6."

What we would do is say, "Dear Motel 6, I have been hearing your messages on A's radio broadcasts.  Unfortunately, the A's radio broadcasts have been changed so that I will no longer be listening to them, so your message will not be getting through to me any more."  I'm not telling them I'm not going to stay at Motel 6, it's just that I'm telling them I won't be hearing about how great it is.  Motel 6 wants me to hear their message so my decision between Motel 6 and Econo Lodge is something other than a coin flip.  Maybe Motel 6 will go to the radio station and say, we want our message to reach Soaker, can't you make some changes that will get him back listening to your station.

Regardless of whether you think that's "splitting hairs", I think Nico "has some manners".  The tone of his letter is polite but firm, the right tone to get our concerns addressed seriously, not just shrugged off.

by Soaker on Apr 3, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look, I agree, we are not going to agree

I keep saying it and this will be it.  My biggest problem is with the method of expressing the disatisfaction.  The A's flagship has been a wasteland for the past several years - we finally have some meat here on the second day of the campaign, there is an organized effort to trash them with letters and articles in the press ("wouldn't it be great if BFT wrote about the AN uprising against the flagship station"  -  NO, NO, NO, WRONG, NO, this would not be a good thing - this would be a bad thing if BFT gets involved).  Perhaps it was just me, but I did not enjoy the Christian Radio Days - where was the uprising then? - where was the letter campaign?  Who was going to fucking call Ben Fong Torres as Robert Buan signed off before yielding to rants about repenting and hating gays!  The subject letter campaign is irreverent and does lack manners, especially since we are still in a honeymoon period and especially since, up until this year, our radio coverage has been the laughingstock of all of baseball.  The Sports Leader felt a lot better about A's radio when it was the weak-signaled Christian radio network - they can't be happy to see that we finally have some muscle of being associated with real media organization.  Why not take a more civilized approach, at least for starters?  

"We owe it all to one man. And we are all extraneous. 'Billy' has denuded us of ego". Liar's Poker

by Sashulia on Apr 3, 2007 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

No attacks on religion here, please

Sashulia, please stick to the topic.  I am sure the A's have no control over the non-A's-related programming content of these radio stations they have used for their own live game broadcasts.  The A's don't have any control over the content of the station they may get to broadcast their games.  The new station, KIFR 106.9fm, has some {what some of us including myself consider to be} raunchy talkshows, but I don't listen to those, and it is irrelevant to the fact that KIFR broadcasts the A's games, which is all I care about.  If you have an issue with the programming of a Christian station, this is not the forum or venue to rant against Christian radio, or any religious programming.  I noticed you didn't mention or criticize the San Jose station (KNTS-1220am} that the A's used last year because that station is a conservative talkshow station which I suspect may disagree with your political views as much as the station used in 2005 apparently disagrees with your religious or political views.  I really think this rant of yours is borderline, OT, irrelevant -- please stop.

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by Randy Bell on Apr 3, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is going on?

You are taking up the battle flag here for what again?  You are talking about multi-million dollar companies like I am taking the last loaf of bread from some young Ethiopian.  From CBS Radio to Billy Beane to 5A Rent-a-space, all they are doing is losing a listner because I can't enjoy the game as much.  I am in the car, sure, the game is on.  They lose the delay the radio is back on all the time.  I am writing my letter because I am truly annoyed with this delay thing.  Tough shit to the rest of them (CBS, The A's, the advertisers) if they can't see how this ill effects my enjoyment of a game.  And if they ignore the letters, I guess it is tough shit for me.  

The only people I am feeling sorry for are the broadcasters and engineers.  

"Clooney... He's up there with um... he's up there with the Congress. He's trying to get everybody... to go over there... and solve that thing." -Sutcliffe

by afansnotes on Apr 6, 2007 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

and we should plan that Rivercats trip...

although it won't be the same without Blez and family...but we'll see them on our Anaheim roadtrip!

"Bill King wanted to beat the Giants...every day of his life" Korach and Fosse, SpringTraining, 3/14/07

by LongTimeFan on Apr 3, 2007 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Write the FCC

Stations do stuff like this because they fear fines from the FCC for letting bad language on the air. There are armies of "save the children" interest groups out there with nothing better to do than write the FCC to complain about boobies on TV and fart jokes on the radio.

So the best way to approach this problem is to ask the FCC to issue a statement to the effect that they won't fine radio stations for broadcasting stray profanity from the stands during Angels games.

I don't have their address handy due to technical difficulties, but I'll post it shortly if nobody else does.

And on that note, a paper letter counts for more than an e-mail when you're pressuring public servants. I used to do that stuff for a living, and that's one of the lessons I learned the hard way.

The A's success should surprise no one. They're a much better team than people give them credit for. -- Joe Morgan

by BubbaDude on Apr 3, 2007 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

tried to post this morning

but the site kept getting stuck when I clicked on "post a comment". Seems to work now...

Sexton's blow didn't win the game, Ibañez' sac fly did. (A's didn't score, remember?) So Crosby's error did cost the game.

However, let's be fair. Crosby didn't play much in spring training, and didn't do anything baseball related since late last summer. I'm sure the A;s realize that he may be a little off defensively. Hopefully it won't take too long to get him squared away. You won't find a bigger Scutaro fan than me -- but Crosby does have better range and a better arm. (Scoot will get his share of games in, I'm sure.)

Offensively Crosby's a bit of a head case. I really hope he can get that part of his game together.I really think it's the mental approach that he most needs to work on.

by OaklandSi on Apr 3, 2007 7:49 PM PDT reply actions  

The radio delay

A couple of thoughts here.

One, though I know it is frustrating for you fans that enjoy listening to Ken and Vince while watching the game, it's downright dangerous for the radio station without the delay.  Under the Bush FCC, there is a ridiculous inquisition for over-the-air broadcasters thanks to Janet Jackson's nipple. Consider that a television station can be fined $350,000 for each incident of an "obscenity" while one click of the dial over you can listen to the foul mouthed fest of "Deadwood" on HBO which has no threat from the FCC.  Radio is under the same threat of absurd fine, thus the delay. And keep in mind there are more mics on the field than just the ones in front of Ken and Vince.  All it takes is for one of those mics near the dugout to pick up a player yelling the "F" word after striking out and the station is on the hook for the six figure fine.

Second, what about the delay of the FSN broadcasts (due to transmission routing)?  Don't they mess up the sync of audio and video as well?

Mark

by mwolfson on Apr 3, 2007 8:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Few thoughts
  1.  That's why I'm saying, part of the solution (at least for radio) is to move the field mikes away from the dugouts.  Understand that's a less palatable option for TV because you want your sound to match up with the picture...but that's not really a factor for radio.
  1.  Yes, the FSN delay was very annoying last year.  But actually, I learned to handle the radio sound coming before the TV picture.  It wasn't ideal, but I knew what I should be looking for on TV.  It absolutely does not work with the TV picture coming ahead of the radio sound.  I tried it tonight for several innings and it completely destroyed my enjoyment of the game.  No way I could ever learn to live with that.
  1.  Isn't KICU still live?  Why would you guys be willing to risk the FCC action when nobody else is?  Or are you on delay now too?

The best answer for everybody is that all broadcasts should be live and the FCC should calm down, but I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.  So in addition to my recommendation about radio moving its field mikes, my other suggestion is that radio should to the extent possible try to coordinate its delay with that of that night's TV broadcast.  I realize that there are many different feeds and it's very difficult for video to be matched up with radio, but good grief, the CBS delay is way, way longer than it needs to be.  No excuse for the difference to be 10 or 12 or 17 seconds.

Perhaps some use can be made of the fact that radio has two broadcasts, KIFR and KYCY.  I don't know why it would help but there may be some advantage to be obtained if the delays on those two signals are different.

Thanks, Mr. Wolfson, for checking in, appreciate your insights on this.

by Soaker on Apr 3, 2007 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree about audio lagging the video ..

.. Video lagging the audio {as happened with me on FSN sometimes last year} is a lot more tolerable than audio lagging the video; and if you wear earphones and attend the game, it is preferable to get the audio in realtime, although that doesn't sound like it's going to happen.  I too thank Mr. Wolfson for checking in here with his insights.

.. the Athletics may be small-market but they have BIG-heart! ..

by Randy Bell on Apr 3, 2007 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sympathetic but...

At least you can listen and/or watch the games for free. I follow the A's from Japan and 1) you can't get MLB TV at all in Japan because of rights agreements, even though broadcasters here show only a tiny number of MLB games all year (Seattle, Yankees, Red Sox; you can guess why) and 2)Even though I am paying for MLB Gameday radio I still get to listen to the ads, which I think really stinks.

Good luck with your campaign.

by Mark A on Apr 3, 2007 11:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, that and I'm not starving

or about to have my village bombed. Mario Savio's cause was more noble than mine, fo' shizzle. But why not fight stupidity and injustice just because they occur on a small scale? It's not like I'm saying, "Take money from health care to end the radio broadcast delay!" Hmm...No.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 4, 2007 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Truly annoying radio

After this campaign, if we can just get everyone to write in asking for that uber-annoying radio ad that talks about, "HOT under the collar, BURNing the candle at both ends...." yada yada off the air, my listening experience will be complete!

by BerkeleyDawg on Apr 6, 2007 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

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