Open Thread: Game 16 - A's at Texas
Perhaps this wasn’t what Ron Washington envisioned when he took the job managing the Texas Rangers—a 6-9 start with a no-hitter thrown in and his 1-5 hitters all batting .222 or lower—but I’m sure he’s still having a blast. Tonight, he takes on his former team for the first time, with Brandon McCarthy and his airplane like 7.07 ERA squaring off against the round Joe Blanton. Following their two-game sweep of the Angels, Oakland enters play in first place with a record of 8-7 and a lineup tonight that has Milton Bradley and Mark Ellis ack in baction. Said lineups:
Stewart
Swisher
Chavez
Piazza
Bradley
Buck
Crosby
Kendall
Ellis
Lofton
Catalanotto
Young
Teixeira
Sosa
Blalock
Kinsler
Cruz
Laird
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Go Cupcakes!
go get'em cupcakes ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 4:52 PM PDT reply actions
mlbtv or audio
<hugs Milton Bradley>
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
...gently....
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
BBG is employee #81...
Users with ID#'s in the 80's are SO stuck up!
The 90's crowd is much cooler.Btw, I don't think I got a happy b-day wish from either of you, and I'm about to bust some shite up if I don't!
Any Bay Area TV tonight?
Cupcakes is my favorite underdog pitcher to root for, now that Saarloos is gone to Cinciberia.
Hi McFood!!!!
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
got it...after going round robin hood's
barn to get it. lets go joe
the festive like, carnival
music with the pacman game during breaks haunts my brain.
These games count?!!?!?!?
Oh, sorry, these aren't the Angels' announcers. I don't have to mock.
Stew walks - a BB
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:08 PM PDT reply actions
First walk in 56 plate appearances
Swish gave it a ride ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:09 PM PDT reply actions
Chavez flies to right
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
A-rod just hit another homerun
Just STUPID.
He's Hot {Ugghh}
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He is a great BB Player
better him than Bonds with the HR record?
Oh I wasn't complaining!
I think A-rod might be the best player ever.
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
i can root for arod as.......
he will obliterate bonds HR record when all is said and done. bonds' record will last a few years only, then will fade to history.
that being said, WTF is arod smoking? yankee fans?
by greendatitiz on Apr 20, 2007 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Boston looks like deranged Christmas trees.
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
just tuned, what is the occassion for them?
Gawd, with the red sleeves
that may be the worst look on an MLB team I've ever seen.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 20, 2007 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
worse than 80's astros?
Or was it the late 70's?
Way worse
Those 'Stros tops at least has a certain sensibility of the times. The BoSox today have no such excuse.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 20, 2007 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Same colors as Mexico in the WBC.
Finally finds the explanation
Manager Terry Francona and Jason Varitek came up with the idea to wear a remembrance of Virginia Tech on their uniforms. So, on the green uniforms that the Sox are wearing today in memory of Red Auerbach, there is a small "VT" on the sleeve of the green jersey that was approved by MLB.
(From the Boston Globe's Red Sox blog)
celtics colors then...okay and nice touch with v
that's nice, actually :)
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Was Stewart within 10 feet of that?
fosse said only bocro had any chance for that
.. ball ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well YEAH
At a jog, Stewart wouldn't have caught it.
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
dare i say brynes would have got a glove on it.
In my non-expert opinion...
he had a better shot at it than Crosby. It was a long run for them both, though.
Croz ended up maybe a foot or 2 shy
and Stewart was nowhere near the play.
Me too
It looked a bit like he had broken back on the ball (why, I don't know), and maybe he was playing Lofton way into left-center, but...man, he looked awfully slow going after it.
Nice baserunning Kenny!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:18 PM PDT reply actions
Nice play by Blanton!!!!
C'Mon cupcakes gotta get Sammy out ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:21 PM PDT reply actions
Got him!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:23 PM PDT reply actions
Nice job Joe!
Cupcakes is the man
Now we're into the part of the lineup that hits
Go, dwarfs.
base hit bradley!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Way to K soser, Joe!
i'd settle for a solid base hit
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The base hit?
Was a doink.
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
A hit is not a doink
A doink is when a quarter drops into a glass of water.
Oakland Athletics do not doink.
Eric Byrnes, part II?
I DON'T think so.
If was I was Travis Buck...
...I'd sue for the comment, "He plays the field like Byrnes!"
No, HE DOESN'T...and that's GOOD!
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm...perhaps another glass of wine?
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
i think the official mouring was 72 hours long
for 98percent of AN
the rest hung on for the whole freaking season and then some.
I went to a Diamondbacks game last year
And this Byrnsie fan next to me had an old 22 jersey draped on a seat and kept begging Byrnsie to come back. Silly boy.
just noticed on gamechannel: boston-NY tied now
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:29 PM PDT reply actions
Varitek: 2-run homer
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Buck walks {milton was running}
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:30 PM PDT reply actions
TX announcers
are saying that Howe is "a trusted, experienced sounding-board" for Wash.
Come to think of it, I think Howe would make an excellent board!
BoCro !!!!!!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:31 PM PDT reply actions
2-0 A's now!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
YEAH BOCRO!
Nice hit, kid!
Took advantage of a BIG pitching mistake!
i can buy not changing the swing
but changing WHAT to swing at.
It's all about the dwarfs
hey even the twins have the piranhas ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, it takes about nine or ten guys
Kendall's Specialty!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:33 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah Jason!
Texas & Beanball wars
What are the odds of the Wash-lead Rangers getting into a beanball war with the A's?
(I recall a game last year, Texas vs Angles that devolved quickly, but that does not seem to be Wash's style)
You gotta admire his consistency
creamed spinach?
Ellis !!!!!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:36 PM PDT reply actions
ELLIS!!!!!
NICE HIT!!!!
Still no one out!
{i think} it may be the guy on the mound
they hit him hard in ST too ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Rangers pitching,
pretty much BP, thank god.
Arlington is always BP
Behold the glory of Texas pitching!
Over Lofton's head!
Woohoo!
Stew !!!!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:38 PM PDT reply actions
It IS Texas pitching!
I HEART Texas pitching
How we doin' tonight?
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Come on cave boy
Pitching Change!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:39 PM PDT reply actions
Brandon McCarthy is...
a bad pitcher.
You know someone's bad when he makes the A's look like a stacked offensive powerhouse.
by jayefbe on Apr 20, 2007 5:39 PM PDT reply actions
{to think} the ChiSox fans were upset
... when Kenny Williams traded him ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Incidentally
Danks also started today, and did only a little better (4 runs in 4 2/3 innings)
didn't they also get Masset?
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
well, this makes me lazy
time for mlbudio and some couch time.
Bye-bye Brandon!
Wow...that's the first time we've
ejected a pitchier that early.
Wash want to win
Not going to let a bad starting pitcher destroy their chances. Especially as a statement for Texas to not fold vs A's.
I was hoping Swisher was gonna...
get a good rip in. He hasn't been looking too good at the plate and I was thinking an at bat against McCarthy could changed things around for him.
by jayefbe on Apr 20, 2007 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
"Pretty nice head of hair on Swish"
i still think the rangers will win the AL west
because they have ron washington and we don't.
a-rod hits another home run
that's two today.
coco crisp tried to do a t-long and fell over the fence!
another run - WTG chavy
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:45 PM PDT reply actions
Whee!
Five runs! It's like Christmas!
givin Cupcakes some runs!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Piazza must have faced Chen before
Yahoo's boxscore/gametracker stuck
I think it's confused by the A's knocking a pitcher out so early.
Crap
That's the hardest he's hit a ball for a while. Nice AB, though.
Loading the bases for Buck!
walking bradley to face buck?
BIG mistake
For you guys that arn't watching
the announcers just said this....
"The Rangers are not gonna play games with Milton Bradley"
WOW...
But isn't baseball a game
Or did I miss the memo.
Buck! Clear the Bases!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:49 PM PDT reply actions
That you did!
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
BUCK!!! BUCK!!!!
Atta baby!!!
Last time someone will be walked to face YOU!
snicker
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
bases clearing double for buck!
Buck!!!!!
me too; i mean like in Raising Arizona
Are we allowed to do this?
(I'm so p.o.'d that this is blacked out here...)
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 5:50 PM PDT reply actions
go to dewsaw.com
i only got the game on mosaic, but it's something
8 runs...
.. I think that's a crooked number..
BoCro Walks ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:51 PM PDT reply actions
buck better watch out......
or he might put all of all of our ROY's to shame.
jeez this kid is crazy silly bad ass......
and chen is just silly......
that's some hella efficiency
BoCro with the patience!
i am not programed
to sit through these types of games.....not in my nature, i thrive on anxiety
inning over
shucks only 8 runs ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:54 PM PDT reply actions
Damn Kendall
"This is not a disparaging comment...
...regarding Bruce Chen...well, I guess it is a disparaging comment regarding Bruce Chen..."
LOL!
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 5:54 PM PDT reply actions
I never thought Korach could,
say anything bad about anyone...
by OaktownRajah on Apr 20, 2007 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember the TX announcers
from an A's blowout in Arlington last year, and they were actually kind of funny. The color guy ended up talking for a couple of innings about trying to speak Spanish during Winter League seasons.
Well, that's the ballgame
I was just thinking
of the game last year where Barajas hit a grand slam off of Halsey to spark the comeback.
Anyone notice A-Rod hit another homer?
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:55 PM PDT reply actions
Check out this hilarious...
analysis of the "analysis" of ARod and Jeter from the always excellent FireJoeMorgan.com.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
2? kill tha sox!!!!
or kill the yanks!
that man needs a medal..................
for getting back at the bullshit yankee fans.......
by greendatitiz on Apr 20, 2007 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty good pace
I think at this pace A-Rod will finish the season with approximately 130 home runs and 324 runs batted in. Of course, that could change, since the Yankees-Red Sox game isn't over yet.
by SA on Apr 20, 2007 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's blacked out...
...but now I'm rockin' the Tor, the cream and the clear of mlb.tv!
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 5:56 PM PDT reply actions
Ugh, this game is gonna be 10-8...
C'mon cupcakes!
his team scores 8 runs for him and he walks
the first guy.
by larrysgurl on Apr 20, 2007 5:57 PM PDT reply actions
he sat on the bench a longtime
GIDP got him out of it ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Give him a break, he's cold
And Blalock is their only good hitter.
He's in a state of shock
GIDP i like it!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:57 PM PDT reply actions
best inning of the yr!
I like this lineup! Way to go Oakland! Bob Geren is the man!
by jaacee007 on Apr 20, 2007 5:58 PM PDT reply actions
Anyone remember the game last year
where Haren gives up something like 8 against the Blue Jays in the first two or three inning and ends up with the win?
Scary..
That was the one with the fight...
between Ted Lilly and John Gibbons.
by OaktownRajah on Apr 20, 2007 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
10-pitch bottom of 2nd WTG cupcakes
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 5:59 PM PDT reply actions
woohoo!
Just tuned in, is the A's offense hitting good pitches or is McCarthy flat out sucking it up?
Either way, woohoo!
by SwisherSweet on Apr 20, 2007 5:59 PM PDT reply actions
McCarthy is gone, Chen in relief
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
nice recovery by cupcakes.
by larrysgurl on Apr 20, 2007 6:00 PM PDT reply actions
3 up, 3 down
Cupcakes for President
One of the best games of the year...
against a division rival, against the former third-base coach, 8 run second inning... and its not on TV!!!
But why would you want to watch this
when you could watch the Yanks and Sox?
by Flyin As on Apr 20, 2007 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
or the Giants! ;-(
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Bay Area TV Coverage Rules say ..
.. you gotta be in last place to get coverage .. {g} ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Slow on the Uptake Dept.
I just realized that the "pills" in the mlb.tv 'tween inning PacMan are home plates!
Are the oddly-shaped ghosts supposed to represent now-banned dietary supplements?
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 6:08 PM PDT reply actions
Man, I completely missed that!
I'm now convinced that "Berserk" is next, with a baseball as Evil Otto.
nice 'D' Swish!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:08 PM PDT reply actions
Seven-pitch inning for Cupcakes!
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Woo! Go Swish! Go Cupcakes!
by Flyin As on Apr 20, 2007 6:09 PM PDT reply actions
Why are the Red Sox wearing green?
4-20?
Celebrating another year of Celtic ineptitude?
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummm, I'm just glad the W's have one championship
they have ten!
by OaktownRajah on Apr 20, 2007 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
One? Try Three!
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike's in a slump...
when you K twice off of Texas pitching, yer not doing well.
hope he works his way out of it ASAP
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Buck homers !!!!!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:15 PM PDT reply actions
T-Buck!!!
First HR!!!
BUCK!!!!
by larrysgurl on Apr 20, 2007 6:15 PM PDT reply actions
Double digits!!!!!
by Flyin As on Apr 20, 2007 6:16 PM PDT reply actions
BUCK!!!!!!!
Thoughts
Love Seeing Milton Back in uniform, he is such a crusher.
Piazza will adjust.
OMG GO BUCK!!! FIRST HR
by SwisherSweet on Apr 20, 2007 6:16 PM PDT reply actions
Buck!! Buck!! Buck!!
get that ball for him!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
10 runs on six hits?
Who are these guys?
Bobby !!!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:17 PM PDT reply actions
Ok, so we can only score in even numbered innings
I'll take it
by Ray in Virginia on Apr 20, 2007 6:17 PM PDT reply actions
Buck
awesome
by OAKobsession on Apr 20, 2007 6:17 PM PDT reply actions
I KNOW!
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Crosby to RF for the double!!
thread
can we use this thread the rest of the year?
by OAKobsession on Apr 20, 2007 6:18 PM PDT reply actions
this thread has blowout mojo !!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously...
this game needs to be televised...forget the yankees game..
and the giants game
forget the yankees game..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Bay Area TV Coverage Rules say ..
.. you gotta be in last place to get coverage .. {g} ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Challenge for Kendall
How do you GIDP with two out and a man on second?
This is the best game EVER!
It's a good
Wish we could have hit like this against the Angels. That would have been even more fun.
The Angels' pitching is not exactly Texas ;-)
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
unfortunately ;-(
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish we could clone Brandon McCarthy
and make the Halos give him 35 starts!
<thud>
by baseballgirl on Apr 20, 2007 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Why does he have a baseball in his mouth?
Did they increase the degree of difficulty this year?
This was taken
in spring training. Maybe that explains it.
by LawDaddy on Apr 20, 2007 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pissed.
I REALLY hate blackouts. I can't believe we missed this stuff.
BUT HEY! T-BUCK WOOOOOOOO!
Sosa K's
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:26 PM PDT reply actions
Rangers announcers are discussing a time...
...in the late '80s when they thought they were one player away from winning the division and made some stupid moves that didn't help.
Isn't that more or less the story of this franchise for most of the last two decades? They always think they're one bat away. Then they either do nothing, or do something stupid. And somehow they never have pitching.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 6:28 PM PDT reply actions
couldn't be more true
I have never understood the deals they make.
by Vegas A's Fan on Apr 20, 2007 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
What is funny about that....
If it is the Ranger announcers then Tom Grieve is talking, and he was the Rangers GM. He traded away a lot of young talent for quick fixes that didn't pan out.
You can also look at what Jon Hart did to the Indians farm system for the same effect
inning over!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:28 PM PDT reply actions
Hey, when the third out is made on a FC
to get the lead runner, do you call that 1 man left on base or 0?
I changed my mine.
It's one. I was looking in the wrong column on Gameday.
Where are my glasses?
My guess is one.
It shouldn't be any different if he throws the lead runner out or throws out the guy at first.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I kind of think so, too.
Thanks, both of you for assisting.
Holy cow, just saw the box...
Also, I'm glad I dropped McCarthy from my fantasy team.
I added Joe Blanton two days ago to mine.
I think I made a good decision. I added him to replace Kelvim Escobar.
Pelfrey on the other hand, ouch.
At least, I think it is. Without any tv I can't be too sure.
Whenever the A's not on TV you can bet ..
.. the last place Giants are .. it never fails! ;-(
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, never seems to fail.
As A's fans, we don't care about that, though.
the giants were on FSN plus
because of the basketball and hockey .. but they were still on TV ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Elils singles then Stew walks
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:34 PM PDT reply actions
Nick could use a hit...
or he could save it for tmrw...
Chave, Pizza, and Kendall
all need to get hits today
2 BBs for Stewart
Wash (on phone in dugout): "Art, this might take a while. I'm gonna order some Chinese. You want some Kung Pao chicken?"
Nick piloting the struggle-bus
I'll try harder, I promise!!
Does Chavvy have a hitting streak on the line?
Yeah
But everybody should get a hit today.
They're saving it for tmrw...
think about Joe K!
by OaktownRajah on Apr 20, 2007 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Really, better save some
All that running around must be tiring to the old guys.
Are the little Pac-Man ghostie-things
supposed to look like gloves? And Pac-Man is the ball?
It's much clearer on the 700K feed.
I don't know
but whoever's playing sucks.
They're grasping at straws to fill the air time.
They are high...
on life.
by OaktownRajah on Apr 20, 2007 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
let's hope cupcakes can save the pen
.. give them more rest, we may need them later in this series ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:41 PM PDT reply actions
Couldn't Cupcakes afford
to pitch from a wind-up here?
Blanton is very stingy tonite...
he's a miser!
Whoop, just as i say that...
by OaktownRajah on Apr 20, 2007 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody's scored on Little Debbie's best customer
Let's hope it stays that way.
Little Debbie?
I think he's got a little Pillsbury Doughboy in him.
Shucks there goes cupcakes' shutout!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:44 PM PDT reply actions
Oh no
I jinxed him.
I think we'll see Jay Witasick today...
or DiNardo.
I don't wanna see Witasick
Unless we have a 15 run lead.
why do the A's keep him on the roster?
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
His Salary.
This must be Little Joe's bad inning.
shucks they have scored 2 more
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:48 PM PDT reply actions
Uh oh...
Young is alive... Get outta this now Blanton!
OK...DiNardo Time!
by GreenNGoldSooner on Apr 20, 2007 6:48 PM PDT reply actions
I swear
Once I saw the big lead we jumped out to, I have been trying SO hard not to think about that.
by Chavinator on Apr 20, 2007 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Tex K's !!!!
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:50 PM PDT reply actions
Two outs Cupcakes
Bear down and throw strikes.
Alright!
Hello everybody!
I hear there was Buckshot tonight... :)
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Apr 20, 2007 6:52 PM PDT reply actions
Time for that even numbered inning thing
and Cupcakes has six strikeouts. not bad
by Ray in Virginia on Apr 20, 2007 6:52 PM PDT reply actions
It's OK, A's, if you wanna add on now ..
by Randy Bell on Apr 20, 2007 6:53 PM PDT reply actions
NEW THREAD OPEN
Yeah
I don't feel comfortable with a seven-run lead.
Mike looks really bad at the plate
right now.
by larrysgurl on Apr 20, 2007 6:55 PM PDT reply actions
dammit fosse! can the fantasy talk!
got buck on my watch list.
think i'll have to snap him up, thank goodness it ain't homerism but the stats that dictate.





























